Anyone else remember the Democrats promises to lower gas prices?

[Rayne]

Hillary Clinton, campaigning back in November urged Americans, "If you're tired of high gas prices, elect as many democrats as you can".
Anyone that fell for this is just stupid.
Now...be that as it may....
Gas prices are up $.90 since the democrats too over in congress since January.
Gas is UP almost an entire dollar in the last 5 months since they took over.
Now...reality check....neither congress nor the president deterimines gas prices....that's done by the oil companies. That whole, "Supply - demand" thing.
My point was....they said they were going to lower gas prices. Gas prices are up. Why isn't anyone holding them accountable for it? Or even calling them on it?

[jmccracky]

Let's see....hmmmm........Republicans had a hold of Congress since 1994. The Democrats have had control since JANUARY. You've got to be kidding, right? I'm all for holding the Democrats accountable for things they say they will do. Just like Bush Sr with his "Read my lips" comment. Or the very fact that people don't hold Bush Jr accountable for ANYTHING he does. It's just too easy to blame Clinton for EVERYTHING and people being stubborn. Seriously....since JANUARY of 2007.....not 2006 or 2005. 5 months ago. LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!! Now you are right, the oil companies control the prices for the most part. Bush comes from one big "sloppy fingers on the cigar oil family".

Loved the Republican debates. No mention of health care whatsoever. It was all about "torture, Iraq, torture, and Iraq". Seriously Ghost. These are not your fathers or my fathers Republicans. And these are not my fathers or your fathers Democrats. I'm liking Ron Paul. But he won't get serious consideration because A: He talks about things that a future President should and B: He's not afraid to stand up against Bush. That's something that McCain used to do, but since it's getting close to election time he's playing it safe for votes.

[SmallAxe]

Hillary Clinton, campaigning back in November urged Americans, "If you're tired of high gas prices, elect as many democrats as you can".
Anyone that fell for this is just stupid.
Now...be that as it may....
Gas prices are up $.90 since the democrats too over in congress since January.
Gas is UP almost an entire dollar in the last 5 months since they took over.
Now...reality check....neither congress nor the president deterimines gas prices....that's done by the oil companies. That whole, "Supply - demand" thing.
My point was....they said they were going to lower gas prices. Gas prices are up. Why isn't anyone holding them accountable for it? Or even calling them on it?

The lower gases prices are hiding out with the WMDs, W's military past, and the rights of Americans after the Patriot Act. Good luck finding them!

[Dr.Johnny Fever]

Not to mention the social security money that has been STOLEN by a republican governmaent. To fund what? Ah yes, to help fund a war, a war for oil. Funny how our ederly won't be cared for and our young can give their lives for it. See ghost, the republicans are oblivious and noncaring to those needs because it doesn't affect them. They have too much money to need social security and their sons and daughter won't shed a tear, much less blood, in a war that makes mommy and daddy richer.Most people that think they are republicans are fooling themselves with false status. 90% of those people don't have enough money or power to be republican (even if they have quite a bit of wealth). They're not in on it, they just think they are. Fools! Republicans love to drain the economy to fill their pockets. A nice economic depression helps further the seperation of classes which also lends a little more power to weild by the remaining holders. Democrats are by far the lesser of the two evils. Atleast the economy does better and people are generally happier when they're running the show.

[Dr.Johnny Fever]

One more thing, Do you know how to tell if you are a republican or not? Do your pockets get lined when they are in power? For how long? Are you in on it or spectating. If yes, you are indeed a republican.

[Beaker]

Democrats are by far the lesser of the two evils.
I disagree:
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[Dr.Johnny Fever]

Well I guess there is always the exception. Ha Ha

[oasiswr]

Well the Politicians don't control the price of gasoline but they do control the taxes placed on gas per gallon. And far as who's better Republican or Democrats----- what's the difference? Not much really both are a bunch of crooks that haven't got caught yet. Let's face it, the only reason Bush is in there right now as a quacking duck is because of lack of better choices.


Forgot currently in Ohio there is a 44 cent tax per gallon taxes.

[Whatever]

Not to mention the social security money that has been STOLEN by a republican governmaent. To fund what? Ah yes, to help fund a war, a war for oil. Funny how our ederly won't be cared for and our young can give their lives for it. See ghost, the republicans are oblivious and noncaring to those needs because it doesn't affect them. They have too much money to need social security and their sons and daughter won't shed a tear, much less blood, in a war that makes mommy and daddy richer.Most people that think they are republicans are fooling themselves with false status. 90% of those people don't have enough money or power to be republican (even if they have quite a bit of wealth). They're not in on it, they just think they are. Fools! Republicans love to drain the economy to fill their pockets. A nice economic depression helps further the seperation of classes which also lends a little more power to weild by the remaining holders. Democrats are by far the lesser of the two evils. Atleast the economy does better and people are generally happier when they're running the show.

Social Security is the most broken concept,anyways. It's even worse now that new medical technology and treatments are allowing people to live longer,but they still get SS at the same age. So,as time goes along,each person will collect more benefits per capita. Then,we've got Medicaid,which allows the working people to pay to keep these people alive so they can soak up MORE SS money. Before SS,people had to actually take responsibility and plan for their own retirements,not have the federal government hold them by the hand and do everything for them.

[Dr.Johnny Fever]

Not to mention the social security money that has been STOLEN by a republican governmaent. To fund what? Ah yes, to help fund a war, a war for oil. Funny how our ederly won't be cared for and our young can give their lives for it. See ghost, the republicans are oblivious and noncaring to those needs because it doesn't affect them. They have too much money to need social security and their sons and daughter won't shed a tear, much less blood, in a war that makes mommy and daddy richer.Most people that think they are republicans are fooling themselves with false status. 90% of those people don't have enough money or power to be republican (even if they have quite a bit of wealth). They're not in on it, they just think they are. Fools! Republicans love to drain the economy to fill their pockets. A nice economic depression helps further the seperation of classes which also lends a little more power to weild by the remaining holders. Democrats are by far the lesser of the two evils. Atleast the economy does better and people are generally happier when they're running the show.

Social Security is the most broken concept,anyways. It's even worse now that new medical technology and treatments are allowing people to live longer,but they still get SS at the same age. So,as time goes along,each person will collect more benefits per capita. Then,we've got Medicaid,which allows the working people to pay to keep these people alive so they can soak up MORE SS money. Before SS,people had to actually take responsibility and plan for their own retirements,not have the federal government hold them by the hand and do everything for them.


Plan for your own retirement, that's just fine by me, but pay back all the money they have taken from me that I won't see now. I've worked all these years that they never gave me a choice to pay for it or not,and now it's gone.That's legalized robbery. Next question.

[jmccracky]

To Beaker- Good point, and I agree. However, I'll put in a Bush picture, and I'll match you and raise you one. ;)


Let's see....Pat Robertson....or Hillary Clinton? Who is more evil? [:P]

Errrr....oh wait....even better. Ann Coulter or.....GASP! Rosie Odonnell! OMG! OMG!

[Beaker]

The only difference is that Pat Robertson running for office has no shot...Hillary has a good chance of becoming the Dem nominee. Thats scary.

[jmccracky]

The only difference is that Pat Robertson running for office has no shot...Hillary has a good chance of becoming the Dem nominee. Thats scary.

It totally ***** because I know a lot of Dems that are not too fond of Hillary. It will definitely be interesting.

[SnapCount80]

Ung... politics. I don't think I can trust any candidates honestly. Democrats or Republicans, it doesn't look to matter. It seems that they all make promises to get elected, but those promises fade to obscurity the minute they reach their desired position. They make and break deals with various special interest groups to gain financial and voter support, but in reality their own personal special interest is the only one that is achieved. If elected, pressure/debt from the key interest groups that got them the position have more sway than the opinions of the people who voted them in to begin with.

But that's just how it looks to me.

[oasiswr]

Haha, welcome to politics, where " We the people" are actually in real life rich people ( companies, big businness). Is it really surprising that the democrats are using the same old BS of National health care plan when Bill tried to keep himself in office for a lame duck term? That dung will never fly because hospitials and doctors won't make the same money as they do with Insurances. Plus evil Hillary has a huge 250 million campaign going. Where do you think that money came from?

Republican or democrat, ----unless you're rich they really don't give a rat's arse

[Dr.Johnny Fever]

Where has the money came from for any of the campaigns. Answer, special interest groups(big buss.) and broken promises.

[toyota24]

The problem with everything having to do with oil prices lies to a large extent with the general public, not politicians. Bush came out a while ago and told us all that we are addicted to oil, said some things that meant nothing, and was then laughed at. Rightly so. Only thing is, he's right. No politician wants to tell his/her constituents that they are a big part of the problem, and that if they keep buying no matter what nothing will change. That doesn't get them re-elected. Is there collusion in the industry? Probably. Is there corruption in the government due to campaign funding, etc? Almost certainly. Maybe if elections were something other than a popularity contest, and if the public at large could accept some reponsibility themselves, then we could start to get somewhere.

[oasiswr]

Well I would like to see more subway systems connecting several cities and inner city locations nation wide. So what good is having a car that can save gas when you spend 1hr 22 minutes (accidents or just busy) going 14 miles in a traffic jam? As a nation we probably waste more fuel idling then actual driving to and from. However what choice do we have?----- it's either drive or walk because buses don't go everywhere you wish them to go.

[Joe from Florence]

Not to mention the social security money that has been STOLEN by a republican governmaent. To fund what? Ah yes, to help fund a war, a war for oil. Funny how our ederly won't be cared for and our young can give their lives for it.
that may have been one of the dumbest things i've ever heard said in quite sometime.
were you just born yesterday? seriously....when were you born?
They have been screaming since 1960 that there will be no social security left by 1980...they've been saying the exact same thing every single year i've been alive....and now you say the republicans have robbed social security and there won't be any money left for the elderly???? seriously, did you just fall off the turnip truck? And then you top it off by saying it's a war for oil????? come on johnny, seriously dude, get a clue. Funny how this war for oil since we already defeated saddam the prices of oil has gone up....wow, you really should stay out of debates you have no clue about.
Social Security????? that is classic!!!!

[Joe from Florence]

Plan for your own retirement, that's just fine by me, but pay back all the money they have taken from me that I won't see now. I've worked all these years that they never gave me a choice to pay for it or not,and now it's gone.That's legalized robbery. Next question.

you really must get off your social security soap box.....last i checked, there still is money and people are still getting their checks every month...you say it's all gone? let me know when you get to the age of retirement so i can let the government know not to send your check because you said there isn't anything to send.
i like debating politics as much as the next guy, but only to those who use facts instead of making everything up....did you go to the Michael Moore and Al Gore school of fabrication?

[toyota24]

Plan for your own retirement, that's just fine by me, but pay back all the money they have taken from me that I won't see now. I've worked all these years that they never gave me a choice to pay for it or not,and now it's gone.That's legalized robbery. Next question.

you really must get off your social security soap box.....last i checked, there still is money and people are still getting their checks every month...you say it's all gone? let me know when you get to the age of retirement so i can let the government know not to send your check because you said there isn't anything to send.
i like debating politics as much as the next guy, but only to those who use facts instead of making everything up....did you go to the Michael Moore and Al Gore school of fabrication?
I'll grant you that the republican government is not stealing our social security money. That doesn't mean that everything's okay with the program and that we should just ignore it. Even republicans (you know, the ones who suggest we privatize to protect from the impending soc. sec. fallout) acknowledge that it won't last forever. The doctor just wants to know where his money is going and if it's gonna still be there when his time comes to collect, and that's a legitimate concern, not some liberal conspiracy. As someone who tends to argue from the right, I'd think a dude like you would understand someone being upset about the govt taking his money for seemingly no good reason. Just b/c something hasn't gone wrong yet doesn't mean it ain't gonna. That's like sitting in DC during the 90's and acting like it'd be impossible for a terrorist to strike the US. It's arrogant and nearsighted not to heed the warnings of people on both sides of the aisle on this issue. Or we could pretend it's all good, not do anything, and when it all goes to ****e act like "oh wow man, how did this happen? What did we do to deserve this? Why didn't someone warn us? Oh woe is me!

[Beaker]

Two of the main difficulties with SS are the birth rates and the death rates more than anybody "stealing". The baby boomers are fast approaching retirement age...medicine has improved and people are living longer...and couples are having fewer children on average.
Add those facts all together and you get an aging population who will need to be "taken care of " for longer. The retirees are not being "replaced" 1 for 1 in the workforce due to declining birth rates. What you end up with is a system that is paying out more than its taking in...a recipe for eventual collapse.
MY wife and I have been putting 10% of our paychecks into 401K's, IRA's etc. I am noy planning on receiving enough (if any) from SS to live on...and I am within 20 yrs of retirement.
Its not so much that the system is robbed, as it is the fundamental setup. The system was conceived under very different societal concepts than exist today. The only options now are to keep increasing FICA withholding...but that can only go so far...or a complete overhaul of the idea/system.

[Joe from Florence]

Plan for your own retirement, that's just fine by me, but pay back all the money they have taken from me that I won't see now. I've worked all these years that they never gave me a choice to pay for it or not,and now it's gone.That's legalized robbery. Next question.

you really must get off your social security soap box.....last i checked, there still is money and people are still getting their checks every month...you say it's all gone? let me know when you get to the age of retirement so i can let the government know not to send your check because you said there isn't anything to send.
i like debating politics as much as the next guy, but only to those who use facts instead of making everything up....did you go to the Michael Moore and Al Gore school of fabrication?
I'll grant you that the republican government is not stealing our social security money. That doesn't mean that everything's okay with the program and that we should just ignore it. Even republicans (you know, the ones who suggest we privatize to protect from the impending soc. sec. fallout) acknowledge that it won't last forever. The doctor just wants to know where his money is going and if it's gonna still be there when his time comes to collect, and that's a legitimate concern, not some liberal conspiracy. As someone who tends to argue from the right, I'd think a dude like you would understand someone being upset about the govt taking his money for seemingly no good reason. Just b/c something hasn't gone wrong yet doesn't mean it ain't gonna. That's like sitting in DC during the 90's and acting like it'd be impossible for a terrorist to strike the US. It's arrogant and nearsighted not to heed the warnings of people on both sides of the aisle on this issue. Or we could pretend it's all good, not do anything, and when it all goes to ****e act like "oh wow man, how did this happen? What did we do to deserve this? Why didn't someone warn us? Oh woe is me!
I agree with you toyota...and you make my point...the SS has been in a mess for a long time...my point is johnny fever says it is because this govt (Bush) is stealing from it and also made the claim that all the money is gone....that is the problem i had with his post, it's so far out in left field and inaccurate that it is ridiculous and i had to say something.
To think there is no money left in SS is ridiculous, and to say the reason is because the Bush administration has "Stolen" all the money to pay for the war is even more ridiculous.

[toyota24]

Right on. I think w actually gave a speech in which he said that we had until 2040something before we'd start to have significant problems. I hope to work til I'm 60 just b/c I'm greedy and want the extra money, so I'll just continue to plan on getting nothing and burying money in the holler behind my house like all the neighbors.

[SmallAxe]

The only difference is that Pat Robertson running for office has no shot...Hillary has a good chance of becoming the Dem nominee. Thats scary.
That's not scary for me; in fact, it's the best possible sitaution in my eyes. I'm all for a little Clinton reprise. "We are the president" one more time.
Although, my biggest fear is watching the devious Bush family steal another couple of years from the American people by rigging another couple of elections and getting Jeb in there somehow.

[Rayne]

One more thing, Do you know how to tell if you are a republican or not? Do your pockets get lined when they are in power? For how long? Are you in on it or spectating. If yes, you are indeed a republican.

I'm a republican...and I'm blue collar. Odds are, most people here make more money than I do.
As for the Republicans in charge since 1994....I'm glad someone brought that up. Do you realize that gas only rose slightly over a buck from 1987 to 1999? It was $1.00 when I was in HS, in 1987 and it was only at $1.35 when I came back home to Texas in the late 90's.
My point was simple....niether congress nor the president controls the price of gas. So for Hillary to stand there and promise lower gas prices if you elect "as many democrats as you can" is just wrong. And anyone that fell for it has to be niave. But...since she made that boast, she should be held accountable for it.

[SnapCount80]

Two of the main difficulties with SS are the birth rates and the death rates more than anybody "stealing". The baby boomers are fast approaching retirement age...medicine has improved and people are living longer...and couples are having fewer children on average.
Add those facts all together and you get an aging population who will need to be "taken care of " for longer. The retirees are not being "replaced" 1 for 1 in the workforce due to declining birth rates. What you end up with is a system that is paying out more than its taking in...a recipe for eventual collapse.
MY wife and I have been putting 10% of our paychecks into 401K's, IRA's etc. I am noy planning on receiving enough (if any) from SS to live on...and I am within 20 yrs of retirement.
Its not so much that the system is robbed, as it is the fundamental setup. The system was conceived under very different societal concepts than exist today. The only options now are to keep increasing FICA withholding...but that can only go so far...or a complete overhaul of the idea/system.

I'm thinking this is what will ultimately happen. But during the SS "overhaul", workers currently supporting SS might get the shaft a little in the process. Still, I think most people have better knowledge and opportunities to plan for their own retirement now, and will be less reliant on a government instituted concept. Unfortunately, not everyone has the capability or the determination to do what is needed to plan for their future.

On the other hand, my grandparents are living(if that's what you want to call it) on Social Security, and I look at it as if I'm paying them through the system. That makes the concept easier to deal with.