Vick not involved in dog killing or gambling on dog fights

[BFan71]

Do you think this will matter to the Commish in terms of his punishment? Do you think this will matter in whether or not he continues to play in the NFL?

Do you think anyone will actually buy this garbage?

He's trying to make it look like he just funded his family/friends and happen to be there, but didn't bet or hurt the dogs. I'm not buying it, but if he gets a plea deal based on that, I think it will matter to the commish.

[philhos]

At least, that's what he's going to claim when he enters his plea bargain.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2989037

Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick will not admit to killing dogs or gambling on dog fights, as detailed in his indictment, when he enters a guilty plea in a Richmond, Va., federal court Monday, a source close to the case has told ESPN. Instead, the one count of conspiracy that Vick will plead to will admit guilt to the charge of interstate commerce for the purpose of dogfighting.

The source said Vick maintains he never killed dogs and never gambled on a dog fight.

He will admit he was present when dogs were killed, but that he did not personally kill any of the dogs.

Do you think this will matter to the Commish in terms of his punishment? Do you think this will matter in whether or not he continues to play in the NFL?

Do you think anyone will actually buy this garbage?

[Steely_J]

At least, that's what he's going to claim when he enters his plea bargain.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2989037



Do you think this will matter to the Commish in terms of his punishment? Do you think this will matter in whether or not he continues to play in the NFL?

Do you think anyone will actually buy this garbage?

"I was there watching,.. but I didn't do it."

That excuse didn't even work when I was 5.

[jbird]

"I was there watching,.. but I didn't do it."

That excuse didn't even work when I was 5.

Wasn't that Ray Lewis's argument during the stabbing at the superbowl?
Worked for him, sounds like he's got a decent legal team, hope the judge decides to throw out the plea agreement and take Vick to trial.

[mhfinks]

Let's see Thurman got suspended for an additional year for a mis. DUI. Seems mike should get that X3 or 4 - write him off - talent or no talent - he should be done.

[philhos]

Wasn't that Ray Lewis's argument during the stabbing at the superbowl?
Worked for him, sounds like he's got a decent legal team, hope the judge decides to throw out the plea agreement and take Vick to trial.

According to that article, both sides have agreed on 12-18 months prison. However, the judge does not have to abide by that agreement and can still force Vick to serve the maximum 5 years.

If I were the judge, I'd give hime AT LEAST 3 years.

[steelman59]

He's trying to make it look like he just funded his family/friends and happen to be there, but didn't bet or hurt the dogs. I'm not buying it, but if he gets a plea deal based on that, I think it will matter to the commish.

I think things like this has already tipped the hand of proffessional sports. Look at the Pete Rose situation. He has been banned from the hall of fame for gambling, yet Barry Bonds is a hero even though he used illegal drugs. To me it seems that anything they do is acceptable except gambling. Just my thoughts. If Bonds gets in and gets to keep his records then they have to accept Pete Rose or they are sending the wrong message. And its not off the subject either, its still about professional athletes and illegal activity. It has to be even across the board irregardless of the severity of the crime.

Thats my take.

[Bmoreblitz]

I hope he gets banned for life.
The NFL is being hypocritical. They are involved with gambling heavy and they don't hide it. Look at how they make teams put out the injury report by a certain day. That report isn't for the sake of knowing who is injured.......it's because of the gambling that is at stake. Coaches hate that and have always been against it.

[jbird]

I think things like this has already tipped the hand of proffessional sports. Look at the Pete Rose situation. He has been banned from the hall of fame for gambling, yet Barry Bonds is a hero even though he used illegal drugs. To me it seems that anything they do is acceptable except gambling. Just my thoughts. If Bonds gets in and gets to keep his records then they have to accept Pete Rose or they are sending the wrong message. And its not off the subject either, its still about professional athletes and illegal activity. It has to be even across the board irregardless of the severity of the crime.

Thats my take.
Bonds is different, he has not admitted and Rose did. I will agree we (the public) is more likely to forgive drug use over gambling due to the implications gambling brings to the authenticity of the outcome of a sporting event.

[34inXXIII]

Barry Bonds is a hero? When did that happen? :confused:

[steelman59]

"I was there watching,.. but I didn't do it."

That excuse didn't even work when I was 5.

LOL. Yeah my dad would have said ok then its not me its my hand that is spanking your bottom .

[Joe from Florence]

doesn't matter what Vick tries to claim, the bottomline is he lied to the commisioner and his team owner.

That will nto sit pretty with either of them

[Rayne]

doesn't matter what Vick tries to claim, the bottomline is he lied to the commisioner and his team owner.

That will nto sit pretty with either of them

And by not pleading to either the dog killing or the gambling charges, he leaves himself open to both of them for prosecution.

[Jom112]

The latest reports do have Vick admitting to killing dogs and gambling. Stay tuned...

[34inXXIII]

And by not pleading to either the dog killing or the gambling charges, he leaves himself open to both of them for prosecution.
That's the strange part in all of this. There's allegedly all this evidence pointing to Vick's involvement in the gambling and executions. His former co-defendants each rolled on Vick on those matters. Suddenly the prosecution - federal prosecutors, no less, whom I frequently heard in here have a 95% conviction rate - settle on a plea agreement wherein Vick admits to neither? So, could prosecutors go after charges related to those matters or did the plea agreement strike a deal that would eliminate that option?

[CalSteeler]

Some of you are operating on some mistaken assumptions.

1. If Vick admits to gambling or killing dogs or not it has no effect on Surry counties ability to prosecute him. He's being charged in federal court on conspiracy charges relating to, but spereate from, charges such as animal cruelty. He can still, and likely will, be charged with felony animal cruelty regardless of what he admits to. (see below)

2. ESPN has had it's head so far up it's *** on this story it's unbelievable. They are completely biased where this story is concerned and have been wrong numerous times regarding it in an attempt to mitigate the damage done to Vick's public persona. ESPN has gone from crappy fluff journalism to outright becoming the public relations department for certain players. I will no longer wathc anything but actual sporting events on this crappy network.

Vick admits to everything except actually gambling himself in the plea. Although that makes little difference because he supplied the funds others gambled with and was aware of that being the case. Wheteher you bet your money or allow someone else to do it for you makes no difference, you're still gambling.

Bye bye Mr. Vick; http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d801c1644&template=without-video&confirm=true

[Long Time Bengal Fan]

OK,

and the Pope's not Catholic, right?

[bengals_in_miami]

According to that article, both sides have agreed on 12-18 months prison. However, the judge does not have to abide by that agreement and can still force Vick to serve the maximum 5 years.

If I were the judge, I'd give hime AT LEAST 3 years.Since I am reading the Scarlet Letter, if i were the judge i would make him wear DOG KILLER on the back of his jersey instead of his name, plus the max 5 years.

[BigPoppaG]

Around here Vick was known as the local boy who done good..........WAS known.

Nice legacy he is leaving. So much potential wasted. Seems to be a trend in the NFL these days.

[steelman59]

You know even having a discussion about this, is disgusting, I think he should be removed from professional sports on the sole basis he was implicated in this. The reason is because this debate will go on for years whether he is guilty or not guilty. Either way it has once again tarnished a professional sport and caused a distration. I mean the season is only a couple of weeks away and he is still a topic? Its football time everyone, not time to debate whether he is innocent or guilty. Ban him and move on!

[Big Time]

doesn't matter what Vick tries to claim, the bottomline is he lied to the commisioner and his team owner.

That will nto sit pretty with either of them
Can you be banned for life becaused you lied to the commish?? I hope so, but it looks like Vick found a loophole. Unbelievable!!!

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[Joe from Florence]

Can you be banned for life becaused you lied to the commish?? I hope so, but it looks like Vick found a loophole. Unbelievable!!!
Actually he didn't find a loophole....the news yesterday about him sayi8ng he didn't bet or kill any dogs is false....espn screwed the pooch on that one

he signed the plea which stated he financially backed the dog fighting ring...which is basically being the bookie for it.....he also signed admitting he took part in 6-8 dogs being killed

so don't believe everything espn says...their a bunch of :tool:

Remember it was also ESPN that reported no charges would be filed against Mike vick...then a week later the indictment was handed down. That network is so full of the good ole boys network they can't even get good sources anymore.

[CalSteeler]

Actually he didn't find a loophole....the news yesterday about him sayi8ng he didn't bet or kill any dogs is false....espn screwed the pooch on that one

he signed the plea which stated he financially backed the dog fighting ring...which is basically being the bookie for it.....he also signed admitting he took part in 6-8 dogs being killed

so don't believe everything espn says...their a bunch of :tool:

Remember it was also ESPN that reported no charges would be filed against Mike vick...then a week later the indictment was handed down. That network is so full of the good ole boys network they can't even get good sources anymore.

As stated here;

http://boards.bengals.com/showpost.php?p=33054&postcount=16