This is just unbelieveable ...

[GoldenArm9]

Thank you Former President Jimmy Carter and your liberal views as president ...Our former President decided to allow Cuba back in the 70's to drill for oil off the Florida Coast ...well since Cuba has no real equipment to carry out that task ..they turned it over to China.That's right China.China has started drilling for oil 50 miles off our coast .Our enemy is sitting 50 miles off our coast ...WOW....

Cuba, China Drilling for Oil 50 Miles from Florida Shores
House bill aims to end U.S. moratorium in waters twice as far from shore
Written By: James M. Taylor
Published In: Environment News
Publication Date: August 1, 2006
Publisher: The Heartland Institute

Legislation to relax restrictions on offshore oil and gas recovery passed the U.S. House of Representatives Resources Committee on June 21 by a vote of 29-9.
House Resolution 4761, with more than 160 co-sponsors, gained significant attention after Cuba announced it would expand its leasing of oil and natural gas for Chinese drilling within 50 miles of the Florida Keys.
The House legislation would end all federal moratoria on resource recovery more than 100 miles from U.S. shores. Individual states would have the option of allowing recovery between 50 and 100 miles from their shores.
Currently, there is no blanket federal prohibition on resource recovery more than 100 miles from shore, but there are patchwork prohibitions established on a case-by-case basis. There is currently a blanket moratorium on resource recovery less than 100 miles from shore. These restrictions amount to a self-imposed moratorium on 85 percent of the nation's offshore oil reserves.

China Drilling Near Florida
The presence of Chinese oil rigs, there by agreement with Cuba, within view of the Florida coastline has irked state residents. Cuba has announced it will expand those operations.
"I saw all kinds of wells with Chinese writing on them just south of the Keys," Leonard Gropper, a Marathon, Florida retiree, told the June 20 Orlando Sun-Sentinel.
With just 90 miles separating Cuba and the Florida Keys, Cuba has legal rights to oil and natural gas reserves in its half of the Florida Strait. Cuba can, therefore, produce or lease for production oil and natural gas reserves as close as 45 miles from U.S. shores.
"China is trying to lock up resources around the world, and they are locking up resources in our own backyard where we can't even compete and play ball," Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID) told the Sun-Sentinel. "This is simply wrong. I've had enough, and I believe the American people have had enough."

Needs Are Changing
The U.S. moratorium was imposed during the 1990s when oil prices were low and the need for new production seemed distant. Those days are long gone, observes Heritage Foundation Senior Policy Analyst Ben Lieberman.
"While fears of environmental damage trumped price concerns in the 1990s, times have changed. Technological advances have greatly reduced environmental risks, and oil prices are much higher now and do not appear likely to appreciably decline any time soon," said Lieberman.
"The changing nature of the situation is being driven home very starkly with the [construction] of Chinese oil rigs within sight of U.S. shores," Lieberman added. "The Chinese can drill within sight of our coastline, but we cannot. In fact, we cannot drill even twice as far away from the U.S. coastline as the Chinese do. This does not sit well with many people in Florida."

[whodey1967]

Thank you Former President Jimmy Carter and your liberal views as president ...Our former President decided to allow Cuba back in the 70's to drill for oil off the Florida Coast ...well since Cuba has no real equipment to carry out that task ..they turned it over to China.That's right China.China has started drilling for oil 50 miles off our coast .Our enemy is sitting 50 miles off our coast ...WOW....

Cuba, China Drilling for Oil 50 Miles from Florida Shores
House bill aims to end U.S. moratorium in waters twice as far from shore
Written By: James M. Taylor
Published In: Environment News
Publication Date: August 1, 2006
Publisher: The Heartland Institute

Legislation to relax restrictions on offshore oil and gas recovery passed the U.S. House of Representatives Resources Committee on June 21 by a vote of 29-9.
House Resolution 4761, with more than 160 co-sponsors, gained significant attention after Cuba announced it would expand its leasing of oil and natural gas for Chinese drilling within 50 miles of the Florida Keys.
The House legislation would end all federal moratoria on resource recovery more than 100 miles from U.S. shores. Individual states would have the option of allowing recovery between 50 and 100 miles from their shores.
Currently, there is no blanket federal prohibition on resource recovery more than 100 miles from shore, but there are patchwork prohibitions established on a case-by-case basis. There is currently a blanket moratorium on resource recovery less than 100 miles from shore. These restrictions amount to a self-imposed moratorium on 85 percent of the nation's offshore oil reserves.

China Drilling Near Florida
The presence of Chinese oil rigs, there by agreement with Cuba, within view of the Florida coastline has irked state residents. Cuba has announced it will expand those operations.
"I saw all kinds of wells with Chinese writing on them just south of the Keys," Leonard Gropper, a Marathon, Florida retiree, told the June 20 Orlando Sun-Sentinel.
With just 90 miles separating Cuba and the Florida Keys, Cuba has legal rights to oil and natural gas reserves in its half of the Florida Strait. Cuba can, therefore, produce or lease for production oil and natural gas reserves as close as 45 miles from U.S. shores.
"China is trying to lock up resources around the world, and they are locking up resources in our own backyard where we can't even compete and play ball," Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID) told the Sun-Sentinel. "This is simply wrong. I've had enough, and I believe the American people have had enough."

Needs Are Changing
The U.S. moratorium was imposed during the 1990s when oil prices were low and the need for new production seemed distant. Those days are long gone, observes Heritage Foundation Senior Policy Analyst Ben Lieberman.
"While fears of environmental damage trumped price concerns in the 1990s, times have changed. Technological advances have greatly reduced environmental risks, and oil prices are much higher now and do not appear likely to appreciably decline any time soon," said Lieberman.
"The changing nature of the situation is being driven home very starkly with the [construction] of Chinese oil rigs within sight of U.S. shores," Lieberman added. "The Chinese can drill within sight of our coastline, but we cannot. In fact, we cannot drill even twice as far away from the U.S. coastline as the Chinese do. This does not sit well with many people in Florida."do you think they'll drill as far as say...china?

[GoldenArm9]

I say this is B.S. ..man if anybody would vote dem after this ...then they need to recheck there thinking...the question i would like to know is why there was no reports on the Big 4 networks about this?

[Jasonew6]

What's "funny" is they can drill closer to the US than we can.

[Jumbro]

What's "funny" is they can drill closer to the US than we can.


I no doubt...quite depressing actually

[GoldenArm9]

What's "funny" is they can drill closer to the US than we can.

I lived in Fla when environmentalist groups pressured the state legislature into passing laws stopping oil companies from drilling off the coast.

[Old White Guy]

Damn this just does not make since. btw great book

[jamiethelanky]

It's their waters, they can do with it what they want.

It should be their waters, it's closer to them than you lot anyway...

And this enemy you speak of will be there for one thing and one thing only.

Oil. Black gold. Texas tea.

[Buckeyehitman]

First off, I don't recall China being "an enemy of ours" for quite some time. Unless you're talking about them being Communist, in which case, 1950 called and they want their irrational fear back.

Secondly, there are enough things to complain about THIS president for without going back to past ones to dig up things to complain about.

Third off....cudos on the Right Wing Smear campaign aimed at Democrats, Karl Rove is watching and is liking what he sees...........you will make a fine apprentice for the dark side of the force.


Really dude, get over it, like Jamie said, their coasts, their business. Just because we invaded one country's soverign border to overthrow it's government doesn't mean it's a good thing to continually do............particularly when we haven't even finished the first job.

[barryllium]

I say this is B.S. ..man if anybody would vote dem after this ...then they need to recheck there thinking...the question i would like to know is why there was no reports on the Big 4 networks about this?

That's like saying "Why did anyone vote for a Whig candidate after William Henry Harrison. Clearly all we need to know is that he got sick and died, so all Whig candidates will get sick and die". Or saying "We can't vote for Republicans - they'll all get shot like Lincoln!". You really, really, really like to make sweeping generalizations, don't you?

[jamiethelanky]

I say this is B.S. ..man if anybody would vote dem after this ...then they need to recheck there thinking...the question i would like to know is why there was no reports on the Big 4 networks about this?
Because it isn't an issue?

[GoldenArm9]

First off, I don't recall China being "an enemy of ours" for quite some time. Unless you're talking about them being Communist, in which case, 1950 called and they want their irrational fear back.

Secondly, there are enough things to complain about THIS president for without going back to past ones to dig up things to complain about.

Third off....cudos on the Right Wing Smear campaign aimed at Democrats, Karl Rove is watching and is liking what he sees...........you will make a fine apprentice for the dark side of the force.


Really dude, get over it, like Jamie said, their coasts, their business. Just because we invaded one country's soverign border to overthrow it's government doesn't mean it's a good thing to continually do............particularly when we haven't even finished the first job.

Get over what?
You must not read the paper ...the first article from 2005
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article544283.ece

This article is from today ..
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gwqURP-D0bVH384fXzZHYN-yO4VwD90REAU80

[Buckeyehitman]

Get over what?
You must not read the paper ...the first article from 2005
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article544283.ece

This article is from today ..
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gwqURP-D0bVH384fXzZHYN-yO4VwD90REAU80



Get over the idea that this is a democrat's problem. If I remember correctly, Carter was president in the late 70s, you've had 20 years or Republican presidents since then (8 for democrats) if the issue was THAT big of a concern during that time, why wasn't anything done about it during that time? Hell, why isn't anything being done now?

I love how the gut instinct is to go right to the democrat, yeah, the wheels might have been set in motion during Carter's administration, but no one has topped them from turning since.

Besides, are we at war with China? Why do we have to act like everyone is against us, and try to isolate ourselves from the rest of the world? This isn't the cuban missle crisis people it's just some oil drilling.

Besides, if there is anything to fear from the Chinese these days, it's importing their goods. However, if you're worried about a strategic military strike from oil rigs, then I should think you should point the finger at the person who has ruined our standing in the global community, one George W. Bush. Fear breeds fear, and mistrust breeds mistrust.

[barryllium]

Get over the idea that this is a democrat's problem. If I remember correctly, Carter was president in the late 70s, you've had 20 years or Republican presidents since then (8 for democrats) if the issue was THAT big of a concern during that time, why wasn't anything done about it during that time? Hell, why isn't anything being done now?

I love how the gut instinct is to go right to the democrat, yeah, the wheels might have been set in motion during Carter's administration, but no one has topped them from turning since.

Besides, are we at war with China? Why do we have to act like everyone is against us, and try to isolate ourselves from the rest of the world? This isn't the cuban missle crisis people it's just some oil drilling.

Besides, if there is anything to fear from the Chinese these days, it's importing their goods. However, if you're worried about a strategic military strike from oil rigs, then I should think you should point the finger at the person who has ruined our standing in the global community, one George W. Bush. Fear breeds fear, and mistrust breeds mistrust.

Because of the US's relative youth and formation, this country is ridiculously analogous to a rebellious teenager. But we like to act like we've been around forever, and thus know everything and should be in charge. Hopefully America will grow up a little when it goes off to college...

Side note: My wife spent 4 months in London, and remembers hearing Europeans make fun of how Americans think it's so amazing that they have buildings that have been around since the 1800's, and then you walk down the street and pass buildings that have been around twice that long. Puts things in a little bit of perspective, I think.

[jamiethelanky]

Because of the US's relative youth and formation, this country is ridiculously analogous to a rebellious teenager. But we like to act like we've been around forever, and thus know everything and should be in charge. Hopefully America will grow up a little when it goes off to college...

Side note: My wife spent 4 months in London, and remembers hearing Europeans make fun of how Americans think it's so amazing that they have building's that have been around since the 1800's, and then you walk down the street and pass buildings that have been around twice that long. Puts things in a little bit of perspective, I think.
My house at home (i.e., not college) was built in 1686...

[GoldenArm9]

First off, I don't recall China being "an enemy of ours" for quite some time. Unless you're talking about them being Communist, in which case, 1950 called and they want their irrational fear back.

Secondly, there are enough things to complain about THIS president for without going back to past ones to dig up things to complain about.

Third off....cudos on the Right Wing Smear campaign aimed at Democrats, Karl Rove is watching and is liking what he sees...........you will make a fine apprentice for the dark side of the force.


Really dude, get over it, like Jamie said, their coasts, their business. Just because we invaded one country's soverign border to overthrow it's government doesn't mean it's a good thing to continually do............particularly when we haven't even finished the first job.

Smear campaign?Here is a smear campaign....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22825540/

[Buckeyehitman]

Smear campaign?Here is a smear campaign....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22825540/

You're talking about a stand alone liberal group. Look in past elections at the stuff W and Karl Rove have pulled...hell they torpedoed their own party member (McCain) and now we're supposed to believe they are buddy buddy? The stuff that that group pulled is TAME by comparison I assure you.

Oh by the way, they wasted their money, the idiot got re-elected and ended up making his image worse than they could've ever done.

[barryllium]

Smear campaign?Here is a smear campaign....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22825540/

Yeah, that looks a lot like this one - http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/10/124926/244/978/493278

[GoldenArm9]

Yeah, that looks a lot like this one - http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/10/124926/244/978/493278

Larry Johnson only speaks the truth Barry ...

[barryllium]

Larry Johnson only speaks the truth Barry ...

No, he speaks your truth (and we've been through this before). But, because I understand your aversion to reading any of my posts, I'll put what I put before up about Larry:

- I have yet to see the numerous ties to Muslim terrorists (or any terrorists, for that matter) that Obama seems to have. Edward Said has been presented, but he is currently suffering from a terminal case of being deceased - let alone the fact that he was a huge proponent of non-violent solutions to the middle east situation(s). Ibrahim Hooper has been presented, but his main goal seems to be to educate America about Islamic culture. And now we have this guy, Raila Odinga, who claims to be Obama's cousin. I have seen nothing confirming this, other than this person saying that - so let's just say that this relation is still in question.

- Larry Johnson has some dings in his credibility as of late. For starters, check out this site, which talks about Johnson raising funds for an anti-Obama smear campaign. He also recently reported having contact with three Republican insiders and another unspecified source who claim the existence of a videotape of Michelle Obama, Barack Obama's wife, speaking at the Trinity United Church of Christ and using the term "whitey" on multiple occasions. Johnson reported that the tape would be worth $1 million to anyone who could provide a copy to an unnamed billionaire Republican. For one, no one else has corroborated this story - it's only Johnson who is saying this. And does this really sound like someone trying to help his country? No, it sounds like someone trying to smear someone (the opponent to Hillary, who he strongly supports), and also get his name out there a little more.

- Linking people by who their relatives are is dangerous. My entire immediate family are Republicans - does that make me a fake Democrat trying to destroy the party from the inside? Lawrence Tynes, kicker for the N.Y. Giants, has a brother in jail for drug related issues (great article here) - does that mean Lawrence Tynes has drug related issues? Who we are related to, or have had contact with, does not define who we are - saying such (as Larry Johnson has) is both ignorant and demeans the human ability to reason and make decisions for themselves.

- In the end, I've done some serious searching around - and while I've seen lots of people adding Johnson's words to their blogs, I've yet to see a reputable source either reproduce it or corroborate what he has to say. That leads me to believe that there is at the very least some serious conjecture and assumption on Johnson's part, and at the most some very made up things.

[kevin28_1962]

What's "funny" is they can drill closer to the US than we can.

if you mean ironic when you say funny, then i agree.

[Alias]

Because it isn't an issue?

Honestly, China scares the crap out of me. Only because their army is massive and I think they could very well be the greatest world power soon. I don't want to tick them off lol

[GoldenArm9]

No, he speaks your truth (and we've been through this before). But, because I understand your aversion to reading any of my posts, I'll put what I put before up about Larry:

- I have yet to see the numerous ties to Muslim terrorists (or any terrorists, for that matter) that Obama seems to have. Edward Said has been presented, but he is currently suffering from a terminal case of being deceased - let alone the fact that he was a huge proponent of non-violent solutions to the middle east situation(s). Ibrahim Hooper has been presented, but his main goal seems to be to educate America about Islamic culture. And now we have this guy, Raila Odinga, who claims to be Obama's cousin. I have seen nothing confirming this, other than this person saying that - so let's just say that this relation is still in question.

- Larry Johnson has some dings in his credibility as of late. For starters, check out this site, which talks about Johnson raising funds for an anti-Obama smear campaign. He also recently reported having contact with three Republican insiders and another unspecified source who claim the existence of a videotape of Michelle Obama, Barack Obama's wife, speaking at the Trinity United Church of Christ and using the term "whitey" on multiple occasions. Johnson reported that the tape would be worth $1 million to anyone who could provide a copy to an unnamed billionaire Republican. For one, no one else has corroborated this story - it's only Johnson who is saying this. And does this really sound like someone trying to help his country? No, it sounds like someone trying to smear someone (the opponent to Hillary, who he strongly supports), and also get his name out there a little more.

- Linking people by who their relatives are is dangerous. My entire immediate family are Republicans - does that make me a fake Democrat trying to destroy the party from the inside? Lawrence Tynes, kicker for the N.Y. Giants, has a brother in jail for drug related issues (great article here) - does that mean Lawrence Tynes has drug related issues? Who we are related to, or have had contact with, does not define who we are - saying such (as Larry Johnson has) is both ignorant and demeans the human ability to reason and make decisions for themselves.

- In the end, I've done some serious searching around - and while I've seen lots of people adding Johnson's words to their blogs, I've yet to see a reputable source either reproduce it or corroborate what he has to say. That leads me to believe that there is at the very least some serious conjecture and assumption on Johnson's part, and at the most some very made up things.

Larry Johnson is a former CIA officer who headed up a counter terrorism unit ...what do you want him to be the leader of a terrorist group before you listen to what he has to say ?

[kevin28_1962]

My house at home (i.e., not college) was built in 1686...

1686 Wow. Are the doorways in that house like 6 feet tall? When I was stationed at RAF Lakenheath my supervisor live in this house that was quite old and the doorways in the house were all small. Flintrock walls and such. I loved my time in England. It was my most favorite duty station. I liked going to the smaller pubs and getting a pint of bitter (Truman Best).

[tbone77]

"China is trying to lock up resources around the world, and they are locking up resources in our own backyard where we can't even compete and play ball," Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID) told the Sun-Sentinel. "This is simply wrong. I've had enough, and I believe the American people have had enough."


Maybe if Larry Craig wasn't so busy trying to ban gay marriage (while he solicits gay sex with undercover police officers in public restrooms), he would realize that we live in a global economy, ironically China (the so called enemy) is also one of our biggest trade partners, and our commercial and diplomatic embargo of Cuba is the only reason why Cuba turned to countries like Russia and China for trade in the first place.

[busamboy]

Honestly, China scares the crap out of me. Only because their army is massive and I think they could very well be the greatest world power soon. I don't want to tick them off lol

Yeah, but they are going to need a lot more weapons, unless they are all really good at karate, but still, we will just mow them down with a machine gun!:thumbsup:

[Who2Dey]

well technically they're drilling off of Cubas coast and not Floridas....right? Don't give Bush any ideas, he may come up with a scheme to invade Cuba to make it our coast.

And why would anybody be deterred from voting for Obama when your beef is with Carter?

[Alias]

Yeah, but they are going to need a lot more weapons, unless they are all really good at karate, but still, we will just mow them down with a machine gun!:thumbsup:

Phew! Never thought of that! Thank you lol. I can rest a little easier now :thumbsup:

[jamiethelanky]

1686 Wow. Are the doorways in that house like 6 feet tall? When I was stationed at RAF Lakenheath my supervisor live in this house that was quite old and the doorways in the house were all small. Flintrock walls and such. I loved my time in England. It was my most favorite duty station. I liked going to the smaller pubs and getting a pint of bitter (Truman Best).
Yep.

[jamiethelanky]

Larry Johnson is a former CIA officer who headed up a counter terrorism unit ...what do you want him to be the leader of a terrorist group before you listen to what he has to say ?
:rotf:

[Eleden]

Thank you Former President Jimmy Carter and your liberal views as president ...Our former President decided to allow Cuba back in the 70's to drill for oil off the Florida Coast ...well since Cuba has no real equipment to carry out that task ..they turned it over to China.That's right China.China has started drilling for oil 50 miles off our coast .Our enemy is sitting 50 miles off our coast ..

China is our enemy? So 50-75% of everything sold in the United States was made by our enemies?

Dear god...

[Danno]

My house at home (i.e., not college) was built in 1686...


Ghosts?! :excited:

[barryllium]

Larry Johnson is a former CIA officer who headed up a counter terrorism unit ...what do you want him to be the leader of a terrorist group before you listen to what he has to say ?

No, I want him to not be publicly running a smear campaign before I believe what he has to say.

[barryllium]

Yeah, but they are going to need a lot more weapons, unless they are all really good at karate, but still, we will just mow them down with a machine gun!:thumbsup:

They can know all the karate they want, cause last I checked, Chuck Norris is American.

[devils advocate]

Yeah ,China isn't an enemy of the U.S.
In fact we need them more than any other country in the world.We owe them bigtime.They could, probably if they wanted to, start drilling anywhere within the U.S. border.Who's your daddy?

[34inXXIII]

Just an update on the 'China drilling off Florida's coast' portion of this thread....

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/saturday/orl-a8filler1408jun14,0,6830896.story

[xxlt]

Get over the idea that this is a democrat's problem. If I remember correctly, Carter was president in the late 70s, you've had 20 years or Republican presidents since then (8 for democrats) if the issue was THAT big of a concern during that time, why wasn't anything done about it during that time? Hell, why isn't anything being done now?

I love how the gut instinct is to go right to the democrat, yeah, the wheels might have been set in motion during Carter's administration, but no one has topped them from turning since.

Besides, are we at war with China? Why do we have to act like everyone is against us, and try to isolate ourselves from the rest of the world? This isn't the cuban missle crisis people it's just some oil drilling.

Besides, if there is anything to fear from the Chinese these days, it's importing their goods. However, if you're worried about a strategic military strike from oil rigs, then I should think you should point the finger at the person who has ruined our standing in the global community, one George W. Bush. Fear breeds fear, and mistrust breeds mistrust.

You neglect to consider that Carter is the anti-Christ. He is the Prince of Darkness cleverly disguised as an evangelical Christian, gentleman farmer, statesman, poet, President, and home builder. That last one along with the first one is the tip off - his roles with the Carter Foundation and Habitat for Humanity along with his deep seated Christian beliefs have led him to work as Jesus Christ did as a carpenter and to actively shelter the homeless as well as feed the hungry, clothe the naked and raise hundreds of millions of dollars for these purposes. All the while he models Christian values and encourages others to help their brothers and sisters. It is just like it all says in Revelations - he is Beelzebub. Read your Bible man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[xxlt]

That's like saying "Why did anyone vote for a Whig candidate after William Henry Harrison. Clearly all we need to know is that he got sick and died, so all Whig candidates will get sick and die". Or saying "We can't vote for Republicans - they'll all get shot like Lincoln!". You really, really, really like to make sweeping generalizations, don't you?

Oh yeah smarty pants? Well where is the Whig party now? Huh? Huh?

And if America had quit voting Republican after Lincoln got shot what would you have to blog about? Huh? Huh? And what would America be like? Huh? Huh? Doesn't sound so crazy now, does it?

[BANJAXED]

Yeah, but they are going to need a lot more weapons, unless they are all really good at karate, but still, we will just mow them down with a machine gun!:thumbsup:

While they might have Jet Li - we have Chuck Norris. :ninja:

[xxlt]

Just an update on the 'China drilling off Florida's coast' portion of this thread....

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/saturday/orl-a8filler1408jun14,0,6830896.story

Wow - so Cheney lied to achieve a political objective. This is unprecedented! :rotf::rotf:

Good thing for us he wasn't under oath, or he could be impeached! :rotf:

Thank goodness our nation is safe for another day! :rotf: