Should pedophiles be put to death?

[Rayne]

There are those that say you can not reform a pedphile (Child molester). Once they cross that line, they'll eventually do it again.

The death penalty - in this case - isn't about justice or revenge, but about making sure this person never harms another child.

Should child molesters be put to sleep?

[whodey0731]

absolutely they should

[philhos]

I say give them a choice:
1) Castration with a lifetime prison sentence without the possibility of parole and daily receive a pineapple shoved up his rear end

OR

2) Death by gas chamber, electric chair, hanging, disembowling, AND lethal injection.

[Danno]

in jail for a long time, with all other inmates knowing their crimes. the after that.... exile on an island

[BANJAXED]

in jail for a long time, with all other inmates knowing their crimes. the after that.... exile on an island

So that they get a free-ride on our bill and clog up an already over populated system? There is already something severely wrong with their thinking. - Put'em in the ground. :angry:

[philhos]

Put'em in the ground. :angry:

Before killing them. :angry:

[Joe from Florence]

Speaking of pediophiles, i was in vegas last week for a conference and each day after the sessions were over i played poker at ceasars, played with a lot of professionals who were in town for the WSOP and beat them too...it was awesome, won $2300 off of $200

but anyway the last night there i played at a table with a pediophile for the last 5 hours...louie anderson.

i took his money too lol....playing cards, nothing else you perverts

[kevin28_1962]

lets just make some far away island a penal colony and put them all there. It's not capital punishment but they are taken out of society.

Oh and they have to fend for themselves, no 3 hots and a cot.

[Joe from Florence]

lets just make some far away island a penal colony and put them all there. It's not capital punishment but they are taken out of society.

Oh and they have to fend for themselves, no 3 hots and a cot.
he said Penal :rotf:

[a6pk2go]

They need to make a law severe enough that may derail their thinking. As I see it a lot of Catholic priests need to lead the way. Judgement begins in the Church. I'm not trying to turn this post into another direction but if we set an example with the people in Churches then this may be a big help IMO.

[BANJAXED]

Speaking of pediophiles, i was in vegas last week for a conference and each day after the sessions were over i played poker at ceasars, played with a lot of professionals who were in town for the WSOP and beat them too...it was awesome, won $2300 off of $200

but anyway the last night there i played at a table with a pediophile for the last 5 hours...louie anderson.

i took his money too lol....playing cards, nothing else you perverts

I just thought some guy was just trying to extort $ from him and it got outta hand?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/12/Life_with_Louie.jpg

Regardless, any guy that can actually win $ in Vegas gets my respect :Clap:

[bengal_fan_in_toronto]

kill em all let God sort em out

[Old White Guy]

Forget the gas. Just some bar-b-cue sauce and dozen pit bulls should do it.

[Jasonew6]

Yes, and it should be slow and painful.

[Treee]

Pedophiles and child molesters are not the same thing.

[Rayne]

I think they should be, too.

It's about one thing....making sure the person never does it again.

[Carson4mvp]

There are those that say you can not reform a pedphile (Child molester). Once they cross that line, they'll eventually do it again.

The death penalty - in this case - isn't about justice or revenge, but about making sure this person never harms another child.

Should child molesters be put to sleep?

Without a doubt, and i would make sure they suffer!

[jamiethelanky]

I say no. They evidently are mentally ill and need to be treated as such.

Plus the death penalty is IMO untenable.

[Carp]

Mad Dose 'em. I've seen it and it ain't pretty folks.

[Treee]

I think the death penalty is stupid anyway. Why kill cheap labor?

[Patrick D from 83]

No, the death penalty should only be used in cases of murder, and only then if its with 100% certainty. Life in prison for a child molestor though I'm completely ok with. Let them get raped themselves in the cell block for the rest of their life.

[warsteiner138]

I do not believe in the death penalty but I am pro gun.

[Danno]

So that they get a free-ride on our bill and clog up an already over populated system? There is already something severely wrong with their thinking. - Put'em in the ground. :angry:


A free ride might be one way of putting it. I was thinking more like all the inmates of the jail would give them so much in the way of "free rides" that they get their punishment. Honestly, if I know they are suffering that... more than worth my dollar.

[RICHMONDBENGAL_07]

I'd flip the switch twice.:thumbsup:

[Skeeter McGee]

There are those that say you can not reform a pedphile (Child molester). Once they cross that line, they'll eventually do it again.

The death penalty - in this case - isn't about justice or revenge, but about making sure this person never harms another child.

Should child molesters be put to sleep?

No, actually i think that they should be shot right between the eyes, and i would be more than glad to be the one to pull the trigger. :thumbsup:

[Skeeter McGee]

I say no. They evidently are mentally ill and need to be treated as such.

Plus the death penalty is IMO untenable.

Jamie you never cease to amaze me. :rolleyes: You CANNOT "treat" these sick perverts because they can NEVER change.

[jamiethelanky]

Jamie you never cease to amaze me. :rolleyes: You CANNOT "treat" these sick perverts because they can NEVER change.
No you can't, hence take them to a secure hospital.

[VCU Rams]

No you can't, hence take them to a secure hospital.

AKA an old folks home :sarcasm:

[RICHMONDBENGAL_07]

No you can't, hence take them to a secure hospital.

Sorry Jamie...gotta disagree with you on this one. If anybody touched my son in that manor, I'd want to kill them my self.

[jamiethelanky]

Sorry Jamie...gotta disagree with you on this one. If anybody touched my son in that manor, I'd want to kill them my self.
That would be the natural reaction - but they are clearly not sane. That's why I'm suggesting mental institution.

[CloeHokie]

That would be the natural reaction - but they are clearly not sane. That's why I'm suggesting mental institution.

Agree. These people are sick no doubt but they are not of sound mind.

[RICHMONDBENGAL_07]

That would be the natural reaction - but they are clearly not sane. That's why I'm suggesting mental institution.

I agree that it would be my "snap" reaction....However I truly believe that these people can not be "reformed" so to speak. My logic tells me that they are insane (why would you do that?), but I'm not thinking of him...but only who he victimized. In my opinion they knew it was wrong and why but did it any way. now I know burglary is the same but the person being victimized in that scenerio, is not emotionally and/or physically scarred in nearly the same way. At the very least i'm for castration (chemical or otherwise) and life in prison.

[Beaker]

No. And thats coming from the father of a nine year old girl. I dont like the death penalty for ANY offense...but thats another story. What most in this thread have failed to take into acount is mitigating circumstances. Under current laws, there have been 18 yr olds who are now having to register as sex offenders for banging their 16 year old girlfriends. Legally they are considered sex offenders, should that be punishable by death. Not in my book.

[Rayne]

I say no. They evidently are mentally ill and need to be treated as such.

Plus the death penalty is IMO untenable.

Says the guy whose country use to put heads on London bridge......

[BFan71]

That would be the natural reaction - but they are clearly not sane. That's why I'm suggesting mental institution.

I think anyone who could commit acts like that or murder or rape or fill in the blank are crazy. But to be insane, you have to NOT be able to distinguish between right and wrong. I believe most of the monsters that commit these crimes do know what they are doing is wrong.

[barryllium]

I think anyone who could commit acts like that or murder or rape or fill in the blank are crazy. But to be insane, you have to NOT be able to distinguish between right and wrong. I believe most of the monsters that commit these crimes do know what they are doing is wrong.

I can completely understand feeling this way, but psychologically these people are just not right. I'll look for a link later (not sure I'll find one, but my mother-in-law is a psychologist and we've talked about this subject before), but studies have been done with these people where they are asked to draw pictures of a child - and they draw a normal picture of a child, playing in the yard or something to that effect. Then, a 30+ minute conversation will ensue with a psychologist, talking about normal adult relationships, both romantic and not. Then, the people will be asked to draw a picture of what they had just talked about, and the person will draw an almost identical picture. Mentally, they are unable to distinguish against the fact that children are not consenting adults.

It's not an issue of right vs. wrong for them - it is more of an issue of something psychologically wrong - often caused because something similar happened to them in their youth, and in order to deal with it, they set up a defense mechanism where they view all people as children (in this way, they do not have to deal with what has happened to them - and this is perfectly appropriate while they are a child, but becomes damaging once they reach adulthood). Sometimes they can be reformed, sometimes they cannot - it is a truly hit or miss (mostly miss) issue. For this reason, I'm fully with Jamie with the idea that should permanently be placed into a mental institution (unless there are extreme signs of reformation - and in that case, a "probation-like" situation is in order for life), not put to death.

[sloppy lombardi slaps]

honestly it depends on the situation

but definitely some people should have their miserable existences ended. but at the same time, some people should serve their time and be released.

im sorry i just can't help myself i have to say it: one man's pedophile is another man's prophet.

[barryllium]

honestly it depends on the situation

but definitely some people should have their miserable existences ended. but at the same time, some people should serve their time and be released.

im sorry i just can't help myself i have to say it: one man's pedophile is another man's prophet.

I can't help believe that you could have helped yourself here, and indeed did not have to say it... way to continue your subtle (and more-often-than-not not-so-subtle) attack against Islam, attempting to hijack yet another legitimate thread. I pity you.

[sloppy lombardi slaps]

No. And thats coming from the father of a nine year old girl. I dont like the death penalty for ANY offense...but thats another story. What most in this thread have failed to take into acount is mitigating circumstances. Under current laws, there have been 18 yr olds who are now having to register as sex offenders for banging their 16 year old girlfriends. Legally they are considered sex offenders, should that be punishable by death. Not in my book.

wow those must be hard core states.

many states have a 3 year clause, meaning if you're 18 you can bang your 15 year old girlfriend, certainly is that way in kentucky.

[sloppy lombardi slaps]

I can't help believe that you could have helped yourself here, and indeed did not have to say it... way to continue your subtle (and more-often-than-not not-so-subtle) attack against Islam, attempting to hijack yet another legitimate thread. I pity you.

sorry no hi-jack attempt here just pointing out the irony

[barryllium]

sorry no hi-jack attempt here just pointing out the irony

Right.....
http://www.hrcapitalist.com/images/2008/03/30/lumbergh1.jpg

[jamiethelanky]

Says the guy whose country use to put heads on London bridge......
Yet doesn't any more. We also used to be involved in the slave trade. And we used to be at war with France.

[kevin28_1962]

Right.....
http://www.hrcapitalist.com/images/2008/03/30/lumbergh1.jpg

So Barry, what exactly is it that you do here?

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee48/kevin28_1962/OS-TheBobs2.jpg

[barryllium]

So Barry, what exactly is it that you do here?

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee48/kevin28_1962/OS-TheBobs2.jpg

I wouldn't say I've been missing work, Bob.

[Rayne]

Yet doesn't any more. We also used to be involved in the slave trade. And we used to be at war with France.

Too bad you couldn't combine the two and just make the French into slaves.

Who hasn't been at war with - and conquered - France?

My point was, England had the death penalty for hundreds and hundreds of years - why can't they allow other nations the same slack they cut themselves? France too for that matter.

[jamiethelanky]

why can't they allow other nations the same slack they cut themselves? France too for that matter.
Because that was then. This is now.

We live in modern times, where the drawbacks of capital punishment have been shown. Surely any modern Western nation must know this (or any other nation for that matter) but seemingly the most powerful nation in the world and one that is amongst the most advanced societies still has it.

[sloppy lombardi slaps]

I say no. They evidently are mentally ill and need to be treated as such.

Plus the death penalty is IMO untenable.

pedophelia isn't something that can be helped by therapy.

some people's sexual preference is a born trait that they cannot ignore.

[barryllium]

pedophelia isn't something that can be helped by therapy.

some people's sexual preference is a born trait that they cannot ignore.

Not entirely true. You speak of one of the two major reasons for pedophilia. The other would be what I referred to in my previous post in this thread - the result of a defense mechanism set in childhood due to being molested. It can cause the person to blur that line between childhood and adulthood - thus viewing all people as either children or adults to deal with the fact that they were mistreated as a child. As I explained earlier, this is necessary for a child who lacks the emotional and psychological wherewithal to deal with what has happened to them - but creates a problem later in life. It's similar to the phenomenon that happens when women who are molested at a young age grow up but retain a very childlike way of speaking. These people can be rehabilitated via therapy, and you have no way of telling if this is the cause behind the pedophilia until you attempt intensive therapy.

[sloppy lombardi slaps]

Not entirely true. You speak of one of the two major reasons for pedophilia. The other would be what I referred to in my previous post in this thread - the result of a defense mechanism set in childhood due to being molested. It can cause the person to blur that line between childhood and adulthood - thus viewing all people as either children or adults to deal with the fact that they were mistreated as a child. As I explained earlier, this is necessary for a child who lacks the emotional and psychological wherewithal to deal with what has happened to them - but creates a problem later in life. It's similar to the phenomenon that happens when women who are molested at a young age grow up but retain a very childlike way of speaking. These people can be rehabilitated via therapy, and you have no way of telling if this is the cause behind the pedophilia until you attempt intensive therapy.

its like that song prison sex by tool

[Rayne]

Because that was then. This is now.

We live in modern times, where the drawbacks of capital punishment have been shown. Surely any modern Western nation must know this (or any other nation for that matter) but seemingly the most powerful nation in the world and one that is amongst the most advanced societies still has it.

It works. It keeps the offender from ever hurting anyone ever again.

[barryllium]

It works. It keeps the offender from ever hurting anyone ever again.

I'm not even going to attempt to argue for or against the death penalty, it's just something I have too hard of a time choosing a side on. My question for you, Ghostwriter, is when do we put them to death if that is the solution? Do we attempt counseling first? As I've been arguing, not all pedophiles are "incurable" - in fact many are people that deserve extreme pity despite their actions (this does not make their actions excusable, though). So, do we lump them all together nonetheless, do we give them 5-10 years of counseling and kill them if we don't see enough progress, or what?

I don't mean this to sound attacking at all - I actually think this is an interesting thread, and I'm curious as to your (and others) answers to these questions.

[Beaker]

22 year old meets a girl on myspace...where she claims to be 19 and divorced. They hit it off and end up having sex. Turns out she's 13 and lied to him. He now has to spend a year in jail, do probation, and register as a sexual predator. Should he have been put to death?

Here's the news story (you have to click on the pic underneath the main screen all the way on the right. She looks way older than 13 too:

http://www.wftv.com/video/index.html

[Pro Joey 1427]

No way.

[Rayne]

22 year old meets a girl on myspace...where she claims to be 19 and divorced. They hit it off and end up having sex. Turns out she's 13 and lied to him. He now has to spend a year in jail, do probation, and register as a sexual predator. Should he have been put to death?

Here's the news story (you have to click on the pic underneath the main screen all the way on the right. She looks way older than 13 too:

http://www.wftv.com/video/index.html

Yes. Should have carded her. BUT.....we both know that most of the time that's not the case, Beaker. Just as most people on cell phones while driving are doing it for pleasure, most child molesters KNOW the kid is underage.

[sloppy lombardi slaps]

Yes. Should have carded her. BUT.....we both know that most of the time that's not the case, Beaker. Just as most people on cell phones while driving are doing it for pleasure, most child molesters KNOW the kid is underage.

it can happen to anyone, when i was 20 i had sex with a girl who said she was 18, turned out she was 17, in the state of texas i would have gone to jail and been a sex offender if it was brought to the police.

HOWEVER after finding this out and reading a little i discovered if i could prove she was promiscuous before me i the charges would get dropped

so keep that one under your hat yall.

[palmer_2007]

I think the death penalty is stupid anyway. Why kill cheap labor?

cause it takes away from people who actually need jobs. all child molesters should have there penises shot off with a .22 pistol, 1 through each testicle and then just shoot through till it falls off .

[34inXXIII]

22 year old meets a girl on myspace...where she claims to be 19 and divorced. They hit it off and end up having sex. Turns out she's 13 and lied to him. He now has to spend a year in jail, do probation, and register as a sexual predator. Should he have been put to death?

Here's the news story (you have to click on the pic underneath the main screen all the way on the right. She looks way older than 13 too:

http://www.wftv.com/video/index.html
He should be put to death for hooking up with someone of any age on MySpace. <_<

Death penalty, life in prison, mental institution....I don't care. Just keep them off the streets and away from kids. No second chances. We are far too lenient towards those who commit sexual and/or violent crimes against children. We can't say it's a mental illness for all of them any more than we can say all of them truly know right from wrong. Nonetheless, I don't care what reason is. Maybe there are unfortunate and, in many cases, eerily similar circumstances that have made some of them the way they are, but the chain has to be broken somewhere. We have to protect our children first and foremost against such horrible acts, whether the person knows it's wrong or not.

[jamiethelanky]

pedophelia isn't something that can be helped by therapy.

some people's sexual preference is a born trait that they cannot ignore.
Secure hospital... I never said anything about treatment in the medical sense...

[jamiethelanky]

It works. It keeps the offender from ever hurting anyone ever again.
It doesn't work. Because the offender is sometimes not the right person.

There was a programme on a few weeks ago about the murder of a rich bank teller near Sunderland in the early 20th Century. He was killed on the train by bandits who managed to pin the blame onto another person. That person was found guilty and hanged. Miscarriage of justice.

Another man, hanged in Newcastle for killing a prostitute - again, miscarriage of justice.

How about the Birmingham 7? Would've been hanged, now are free men after their miscarriage of justice.

Three cases which render the idea of a death penalty very shaky.

[sloppy lombardi slaps]

Secure hospital... I never said anything about treatment in the medical sense...

so a secure hospital where they don't receive treatment?

just sounds like a prison.

[jamiethelanky]

so a secure hospital where they don't receive treatment?

just sounds like a prison.
No, it's a place where there are psychologists to further research the topic, and to find new ways of battling it.

[Megalicious23]

Not entirely true. You speak of one of the two major reasons for pedophilia. The other would be what I referred to in my previous post in this thread - the result of a defense mechanism set in childhood due to being molested. It can cause the person to blur that line between childhood and adulthood - thus viewing all people as either children or adults to deal with the fact that they were mistreated as a child. As I explained earlier, this is necessary for a child who lacks the emotional and psychological wherewithal to deal with what has happened to them - but creates a problem later in life. It's similar to the phenomenon that happens when women who are molested at a young age grow up but retain a very childlike way of speaking. These people can be rehabilitated via therapy, and you have no way of telling if this is the cause behind the pedophilia until you attempt intensive therapy.
You are exactly right. The psychology major in me says they absolutely should not be given the death penalty. These people are sick and need help. Most don't recognize that these are children and not consenting adults. However, there is a high relapse rate with treatment and that is the scary part.
Someone else ( I forget who, sorry) mentioned that child molesters and pedophiles are not the same thing and they are correct.
In my opinion, this is a case by case issue. If someone has the mental capacity to understand that this is a child and engage in sex acts anyway do not deserve second chances.

[jmccracky]

I agree with Megalicious. 100%

[Beaker]

Yes. Should have carded her.

So when was the last time a girl told you her age, then indicated she was a willing sex partner, and you said "I need to see your driver's license or other form of ID to be sure"? You can't seriously tell me that guy should be killed when he was knowingly lied to.

[jmccracky]

So when was the last time a girl told you her age, then indicated she was a willing sex partner, and you said "I need to see your driver's license or other form of ID to be sure"? You can't seriously tell me that guy should be killed when he was knowingly lied to.

Exactly. I'm on dial up right now (long story) so I could not see the video, but I saw the pic of that girl. She looks older and I would've believed that she was 19. And last time I checked, a 22 year old and a 19 year old should be able to do the nasty if they want to. I feel bad for the guy.

My girlfriend is always told that she looks more like her 14 year old daughter's sister. Everyone says she looks young, but she is 31. I met her online talking about music. Then she went and saw my band, and we went out on several dates. What if she lied to me? Should I have ID'd her?

[Binturong]

First off, I'd like to say that for me anyway pronouncing death on someone is something that should be in the hands of God and not me. If I had my way,I'd go with a compromise, I'd put the offender in a bulletproof room and give him a gun with one bullet and tell him the door isn't opening until that shot is fired. That a way if they off themselves then they'll never hurt a child again and if they don't it means they are mentally unfit because they don't believe what they did was wrong.

In fact to reiterate, many pedophiles talk about children they are attracted to much the same way I'd talk about a girl I was attracted to. These are the ones who need psychiatric help. Then there are the child molesters who abuse their positions of power, either as a respected counselor, teacher, religious official in order to get sexual gratification, these are the people who need a hole in their head.

Next off like Beaker and others have been pointing out what exactly is a child? Certainly 8 years old is a child, and a 13 year old I would say is a child but what about a 15 year old? This is what I've never understood about near-age consent laws. If two 15 year olds are legally mature enough to make a decision to have sex with each other, then why can't they make that decision to have sex with anyone? The position of power again comes to mind (it's one of the major reasons pedophilia is so wrong) however that myspace guy didn't seem to be in a position of power, yet he is pegged as the sex offender and (according to majority opinion here) is deserving of death.

That's another topic all together though, but I used it as a point. I don't think we can be so quick to judge "borderline pedophilia". Which we all use incorrect terms all the time attraction to pubescent children is called hebephilia and attraction to post-pubescent children is ephebophilia, I think we can all agree on the fact that these are the "gray areas" (dependent on age) whereas we can all agree that true pedophilia is wrong, and I can't really argue against many of those punishments you all have brought up. Although I will say that harsher punishments can end up damaging certain cases worse (for instance child kidnappings) because the offender knows no matter what happens they will still suffer and die so they might as well kill the kid.

[Beaker]

One of the points I am trying to illustrate is how knee jerk reactions get us in trouble. If you look at the beginning of the thread the responses were all "kill them!", but after thinking it through, there are legitimate reasons not to pass a law like that.

That knee jerk emotional reaction is what lawmakers often use to get things passed through quickly...things that need to be thought through. We as a public can sometimes be our own worst enemy. We react emotionally, shake our fists and yell for the gov't to do something about some issue, then sit back 2, 5, or 10 years later and scream about how we were "tricked"...or wonder why we have stupid law X in the first place.

[BENGALS #85]

yeah but i wouldnt mine if they did that with 95% of the people in prisons all they are LEACHES and worthless to society just IMO

[Rayne]

So when was the last time a girl told you her age, then indicated she was a willing sex partner, and you said "I need to see your driver's license or other form of ID to be sure"? You can't seriously tell me that guy should be killed when he was knowingly lied to.

Actually, when we pulled into Rio we were expressly told to card the girls we were picking up. If there's any question, card her.

[Binturong]

yeah but i wouldnt mine if they did that with 95% of the people in prisons all they are LEACHES and worthless to society just IMO

Wow your absolutely right, if only they had some kind of 'corrective institution' for these leeches where they could go through some kind of 'rehabilitation' so that they could learn from their mistakes and re-enter the outside world as a contributing member of society. But then again once someone has proven they are worthless they can never improve right?

Actually, when we pulled into Rio we were expressly told to card the girls we were picking up. If there's any question, card her.

What if they use a fake id?

[Beaker]

Actually, when we pulled into Rio we were expressly told to card the girls we were picking up. If there's any question, card her.

Guess that should be standard advice here in the states now too then, huh? Problem is, they dont LOOK like you should doubt they are 18 or older anymore.

[Old White Guy]

I can completely understand feeling this way, but psychologically these people are just not right. I'll look for a link later (not sure I'll find one, but my mother-in-law is a psychologist and we've talked about this subject before), but studies have been done with these people where they are asked to draw pictures of a child - and they draw a normal picture of a child, playing in the yard or something to that effect. Then, a 30+ minute conversation will ensue with a psychologist, talking about normal adult relationships, both romantic and not. Then, the people will be asked to draw a picture of what they had just talked about, and the person will draw an almost identical picture. Mentally, they are unable to distinguish against the fact that children are not consenting adults.

It's not an issue of right vs. wrong for them - it is more of an issue of something psychologically wrong - often caused because something similar happened to them in their youth, and in order to deal with it, they set up a defense mechanism where they view all people as children (in this way, they do not have to deal with what has happened to them - and this is perfectly appropriate while they are a child, but becomes damaging once they reach adulthood). Sometimes they can be reformed, sometimes they cannot - it is a truly hit or miss (mostly miss) issue. For this reason, I'm fully with Jamie with the idea that should permanently be placed into a mental institution (unless there are extreme signs of reformation - and in that case, a "probation-like" situation is in order for life), not put to death.

Do you have any children? If so how would you feel about one living next to you?

[barryllium]

Do you have any children? If so how would you feel about one living next to you?

I have a daughter - and I'd probably feel the same way living next to one as anyone else would - it's not the greatest of situations. But, no where have I advocated the current system of pedophiles/child molesters being released after a few years in prison. If you look at my posts on this, they have all essentially been for life in a medical institution - as these people are all mentally ill in one way or another. Only those that have been responsive to a large amount of therapy (and this really isn't something you can fake "getting better" of, honestly) would be released, and it would be under a strict probation - if not something like a half-way house where their comings and goings were monitored.

I don't dismiss the danger that pedophiles and child-molesters are, I just know enough about psychology that it is a mistake to paint them all with the same brush.

[jamiethelanky]

Do you have any children? If so how would you feel about one living next to you?
Have we suggested anything like release them into the community. Secure hospitals the way forward, not state-sponsored vigilanteism.

[jamiethelanky]

yeah but i wouldnt mine if they did that with 95% of the people in prisons all they are LEACHES and worthless to society just IMO
I hope you go to prison. I hope you make a mistake. I hope you will learn that humans are fallible.

I hope you will learn that where a person is in their lives does not mean they cannot learn.

[VCU Rams]

I still stand by my theory of dropping them off in an old folks home....having to eat the food they serve would be punishment enough. :lol:

[Old White Guy]

I have a daughter - and I'd probably feel the same way living next to one as anyone else would - it's not the greatest of situations. But, no where have I advocated the current system of pedophiles/child molesters being released after a few years in prison. If you look at my posts on this, they have all essentially been for life in a medical institution - as these people are all mentally ill in one way or another. Only those that have been responsive to a large amount of therapy (and this really isn't something you can fake "getting better" of, honestly) would be released, and it would be under a strict probation - if not something like a half-way house where their comings and goings were monitored.

I don't dismiss the danger that pedophiles and child-molesters are, I just know enough about psychology that it is a mistake to paint them all with the same brush.

You sir are a better person than I.

[TrinaAnn]

First off, I'd like to say that for me anyway pronouncing death on someone is something that should be in the hands of God and not me. If I had my way,I'd go with a compromise, I'd put the offender in a bulletproof room and give him a gun with one bullet and tell him the door isn't opening until that shot is fired. That a way if they off themselves then they'll never hurt a child again and if they don't it means they are mentally unfit because they don't believe what they did was wrong.

In fact to reiterate, many pedophiles talk about children they are attracted to much the same way I'd talk about a girl I was attracted to. These are the ones who need psychiatric help. Then there are the child molesters who abuse their positions of power, either as a respected counselor, teacher, religious official in order to get sexual gratification, these are the people who need a hole in their head.

Next off like Beaker and others have been pointing out what exactly is a child? Certainly 8 years old is a child, and a 13 year old I would say is a child but what about a 15 year old? This is what I've never understood about near-age consent laws. If two 15 year olds are legally mature enough to make a decision to have sex with each other, then why can't they make that decision to have sex with anyone? The position of power again comes to mind (it's one of the major reasons pedophilia is so wrong) however that myspace guy didn't seem to be in a position of power, yet he is pegged as the sex offender and (according to majority opinion here) is deserving of death.

That's another topic all together though, but I used it as a point. I don't think we can be so quick to judge "borderline pedophilia". Which we all use incorrect terms all the time attraction to pubescent children is called hebephilia and attraction to post-pubescent children is ephebophilia, I think we can all agree on the fact that these are the "gray areas" (dependent on age) whereas we can all agree that true pedophilia is wrong, and I can't really argue against many of those punishments you all have brought up. Although I will say that harsher punishments can end up damaging certain cases worse (for instance child kidnappings) because the offender knows no matter what happens they will still suffer and die so they might as well kill the kid.




Let me get this straight, you want to do away with punishment on "Borderline pedophilia " cases. So sick people who kidnap kids and rapes them, wont kill them afterwards, because they know they wont get in trouble by the law. What about rape and kidnapping charges, should we do away with those charges as well, I don't see your point!!

Someone kidnaps a Child for sexual pleasure, those people should be put away for life. We don't though, they are put in mental facilities till they are deem safe for the public, and put back out in society. More often then not, they recommit the same crimes.