Official "Let's talk about the D" Thread

[always a bengal]

The defensive schemes
The defensive players
All of the above

[Interceptor]

The coordinator.

[Jumbro]

Duh, Coordinator

[Shockwave]

The biggest problem is that it doesn't exist.

[TrojanPride]

The Coordinator and THE PLAYERS

I really hope they fire Chucky
#1 because I really hate him and his scheme (as a D coordinator)
#2 to show everyone on this board that the players are equally inept (thus showing the ineptness of our scouting department which explains our crappy drafts and inabililty or unwillingness to ever sign quality FA's)

[Clark W Griswold]

All of the above. Bad coordinator, bad tackling, over-running plays, can't cover anyone etc.
Better question - is there anything that is right with our defense????

[Interceptor]

The front four know where to line up.

[naavshow]

c'mon guys geoff hobson, says do we really want more "hired guns" in free agency. i think the answer is yes because ANY defensive weapons at this point would be nice. I hate the nuggets the bengals dangle every year getting washed up (sam adams) or semi-injured (ed hartwell) players each off season and saying "look at these major free agents we're getting."

[Turk88]

how horrible was Joseph today? He got schooled by a tight end!!! He got burned over and over today and I am tired of this! I won't stand for it! It is time to start wearing the FIRE CHUCK shirts!!!

[dadz]

All of the above. Bad coordinator, bad tackling, over-running plays, can't cover anyone etc.
Better question - is there anything that is right with our defense????

What problem? huh? what you talking about Willis

[gsus8091]

\Ahmad Brooks was the biggest loss to our defense today. Now we see we need him very badly out there. As you can see Jamal Lewis was runnung up the gut with out resrant. That just can't happen. 215 yards by old beat clunker of a RB Lewis?

Does anyone know if Brooks' injury is going to take him out next week? We need him just as much as J.Joseph and M.Williams. He has become that important.

[Voice of Reason]

Most of the day it looked like the Bengals only had 5 or 6 players out there. They simply could not get disengaged from the blockers. That has to do with fatigue and injury. They had no energy to fight through the blocks. Monday night they are flying to the ball. I am willing to give them another week and see how they recover, but this has gotten sooooo old.

[gsus8091]

Come draft season, we need to draft nothing but big ol'fat guys. You know what I'm talking bout. DT Frank Okam, DE Chris Long, maybe even get lucky and get Glen Dorsey. But nothing but fat guys in the 1rst 2 rounds. I don't care what TE or RB is out there. We don't have trouble scoring, we have trouble stopping poeple from scoring.

[J24]

You Forgot one Swagger, this unit does not have one yet and that is probably the most important thing.

[Utts]

The coordinator.

If the coordinator is that bad, then the head coach is grossly negligent for allowing him to continue doing this. Trying to pin the defensive woes on a single man is insane. This defense is a huge mess from the players to the coaches.

[bengals mastermind]

well the first thing wrong with this D is nobody knows how to get rid of a blocker it seamed all night long everyone was blocked prefectly this is the browns there not that good. secondly they dont know how to blitz the blitz should come from the middle or the weak side(which is the side without the TE for ones who don't know that) where you can't block everyone because you over load that side. Miller shows why he shouldn't be middle LB way to small and was nowhere near the line of scrimage and too easy block also. I shouldn't pick on just him because none of the LBers come flying up to fill holes they wait for the play to come to them.I could go on and on with all the things I see wrong with this D. I just don't get what the heck their being thought in practice don't they teach these guys to get off blocks because it sure dosen't look like it.

[Magikod]

Reason we ****** was the blitz, was inaffective, we had NO PRESSURE at all.

[BNASTY254]

how horrible was Joseph today? He got schooled by a tight end!!! He got burned over and over today and I am tired of this! I won't stand for it! It is time to start wearing the FIRE CHUCK shirts!!!

I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE. WHERE DO YOU GET THE SHIRT ??

[suter51]

The Bengals defense couldn't have stopped Notre Dame on a 200 yard field yesterday. We could have cut all 26 or so guys on defense Saturday, signed 26 free agents the same day, and they couldn't have played worse than those turds did yesterday.

[madtiger]

Every year now we have the same thing...1 week of good "D" and then we lay an egg! What is up with this defense? This is not a playoff team. What you witnessed last night WAS a playoff team! NE has got it going on. Even with off field distractions they can pull together and blow another "playoff" team out of the stadium! Yes, it's week 2 but open your eyes people...We do not have a playoff team!

This makes me sick! It's going to be a long week at work!

[ericnyc]

Every year now we have the same thing...1 week of good "D" and then we lay an egg! What is up with this defense? This is not a playoff team. What you witnessed last night WAS a playoff team! NE has got it going on. Even with off field distractions they can pull together and blow another "playoff" team out of the stadium! Yes, it's week 2 but open your eyes people...We do not have a playoff team!

This makes me sick! It's going to be a long week at work!

why bother even thinking about it? that's what's so awful about yesterday...now we know that there is the very real POTENTIAL for that kind of defense to show up on any given week. no fans should have to sit through a season of wondering that. we could have 5 straight dominating defensive games and i would still be sitting there before the 6th thinking "man but what if that defense that played in cleveland shows up today..."

[1slowss]

What is wrong with our D? Well the defense came out and played a base defense. Why? because they thought they Browns would be a cake walk. Wrong. If you come out on MNF and run a number of blitz's against a VETERAN quarterback, why wouldn't you come out and do the same against a QB with less than none experience? The guy had only 3 starts under his belt and no wins, so they come out thinking it's an easy win. Your offense puts up 45 points and you lose. Horrible. Serves them right.

[Tyrone Jerome Jones]

I have never seen a softer zone or more blown assignments in coverage in college or pro ball than the Bengals over the past five years. Backs come out the backfield on a pattern and it isn't that they beat someone but there is no one to beat. The only thing they are met with is green grass and a lot of it. Hall did the classic to Edwards which I call passing a receiver off to someone who isn't there. He doesn't jam him, run with him, or slow him in any way. The closest guy to cover him then was Williams who was on the other side of the field. Even great D's have this happen on occasion but with us this is just another example of a trend. At least when we brought it last week it removed all doubt and someone tried to lock someone up 1 on 1.

[Ryan Mc]

Which D will show up? I'll give you a clue: in week 1 the opponent fumbled 4 times and we had two INTs by D-linemen. How often is that gonna happen!?

(apologies for sarcasm; not a happy camper right now)

[Tiger man]

They're gonna show up allright, Over in Germany, There on holiday still !!!

[TeeBengal]

we had NO PRESSURE at all.

Bingo.


You give anyone that long to throw and you'll get burnt everytime. When there was a little pressure (guys a few steps away) D.A.'s passes were not even close to the receiver.

[bengaldefense]

The D that has showed up for the last 4 plus years. The ravens game when a team has 6 turnovers they should not be in a position to tie the game at the end did the D do that well no that just showed up at the end for one stand when it counted.

[Ryan Mc]

Bingo.


You give anyone that long to throw and you'll get burnt everytime. When there was a little pressure (guys a few steps away) D.A.'s passes were not even close to the receiver.

Agreed. I've been saying this for 4+ straight seasons now. However, we'll probably go ahead and draft another DB in the first round next year instead of fixing the pass rush.

The problem with our D is over-confidence by the coaching staff, particularly with regards to the D-line. We keep on bringing in guys like Robinson, Thornton and Myers, who were solid journeymen types, and thinking we're gonna turn them into Pro Bowlers.

This overconfidence/delusion was most evident with Lewis's comments after we franchised Justin Smith. He talked about how the coaches were responsible for helping him become the playmaker he needed to be.

Hello? The guy's played six seasons, never split playing time with anybody, and never been injured...and he's never been a Pro Bowler or a playmaker. Why would he suddenly become one in his seventh year?

[Hachi Go]

maybe we can ask CJ to play some cornerback and show up the real DB's on this team.

lol

[Super Cat]

97% of fans voting so far say its the scheme with 38% of them including the players. What does the fans know that the Head Coach doesn't?


What they know is they seen this same scheme over and over with different players. The only constant is a lousy coordinator.
Where is the fire Chucky thread?

[zanetdaniels]

Two words.....

CHUCK BRESNAHAN!!!! It really IS that simple.

[bengal_prideforlife]

Werent the Browns and the Ravens freaking out just last week about BIG conference losses (one being a dominating loss to us by the Ravens) Guys seriously I know that the world is falling and people are saying we are going to finish in the bottom third of the league but this is NOT college one loss does NOT make a season. We got exposed yesterday but we WILL come out fighting this week and I really think we will come out with a win. And watch out, he is going to say it, I think we can beat the Pats!!! I am angry about the loss and I am angry at how the D played but I am also disgusted at how the fans react when something goes wrong. Yesterday ****** but come on there are fourteen games left to play and this team has the talent and sometimes it takes a big loss to a light a fire under someone butt....this will light a fire and we WILL be in the playoffs!!!!

WHO-DEY!!!!

[WhoDeb]

Werent the Browns and the Ravens freaking out just last week about BIG conference losses (one being a dominating loss to us by the Ravens) Guys seriously I know that the world is falling and people are saying we are going to finish in the bottom third of the league but this is NOT college one loss does NOT make a season. We got exposed yesterday but we WILL come out fighting this week and I really think we will come out with a win. And watch out, he is going to say it, I think we can beat the Pats!!! I am angry about the loss and I am angry at how the D played but I am also disgusted at how the fans react when something goes wrong. Yesterday ****** but come on there are fourteen games left to play and this team has the talent and sometimes it takes a big loss to a light a fire under someone butt....this will light a fire and we WILL be in the playoffs!!!!

WHO-DEY!!!!

Couldn't have said it better. Although I'm not willing to jump on the playoff bandwagon just yet - catch me after we beat the Pats ;-)

Who Dey!

[Lynx 37]

Werent the Browns and the Ravens freaking out just last week about BIG conference losses (one being a dominating loss to us by the Ravens) Guys seriously I know that the world is falling and people are saying we are going to finish in the bottom third of the league but this is NOT college one loss does NOT make a season. We got exposed yesterday but we WILL come out fighting this week and I really think we will come out with a win. And watch out, he is going to say it, I think we can beat the Pats!!! I am angry about the loss and I am angry at how the D played but I am also disgusted at how the fans react when something goes wrong. Yesterday ****** but come on there are fourteen games left to play and this team has the talent and sometimes it takes a big loss to a light a fire under someone butt....this will light a fire and we WILL be in the playoffs!!!!

WHO-DEY!!!!

Wished I shared your optimism, but I can't. I would like to see Marvin show some emotion during a press conference f/ once. It might translate to his players. Instead we get "they stayed in the game f/ the whole 60 minutes.......blah, blah, blah........." no emotion at all and a bunch of cliches. I'm sick of it. Be mad and say that we stunk and what is going to be done to correct it.

This team is more covert than the CIA. We never know what is going on w/ injuries or anything. Marvin says "that's our business and we'll handle it". What a joke!

[bengal_prideforlife]

Wished I shared your optimism, but I can't. I would like to see Marvin show some emotion during a press conference f/ once. It might translate to his players. Instead we get "they stayed in the game f/ the whole 60 minutes.......blah, blah, blah........." no emotion at all and a bunch of cliches. I'm sick of it. Be mad and say that we stunk and what is going to be done to correct it.

This team is more covert than the CIA. We never know what is going on w/ injuries or anything. Marvin says "that's our business and we'll handle it". What a joke!
Yeah I will agree with you about Marvin we sure seem to be a mirror of his emotion (or lack thereof) but then again that may be a good thing one day!!!

[jutang403]

The Bengals d looked good in week one mostly due to all the forced turnovers. That probably masked a lot of the defensive problems the Bengals have that clearly showed up against the Browns. I was reading some insightful articles and analysis about Cinci's problems at http://www.sportsultra.com/nfl/team/cincinnati_bengals/43/news.jsp?a=f&k=13&track=nav

Leigh Boden was supposed to shut down CJ but allowed him over 200 yds, just because he caught the last pick doesnt mean he should really be proud about anything.

[WhodeyWilly]

Werent the Browns and the Ravens freaking out just last week about BIG conference losses (one being a dominating loss to us by the Ravens) Guys seriously I know that the world is falling and people are saying we are going to finish in the bottom third of the league but this is NOT college one loss does NOT make a season. We got exposed yesterday but we WILL come out fighting this week and I really think we will come out with a win. And watch out, he is going to say it, I think we can beat the Pats!!! I am angry about the loss and I am angry at how the D played but I am also disgusted at how the fans react when something goes wrong. Yesterday ****** but come on there are fourteen games left to play and this team has the talent and sometimes it takes a big loss to a light a fire under someone butt....this will light a fire and we WILL be in the playoffs!!!!

WHO-DEY!!!!


This time has had a fire lite under their ***** for the past 3yrs.+. I disagree.

Im very sad right now but the bengals are going to dissapoint us all again this season.

[DooDooMagoo]

the loss is not the big deal.. because any given week any nfl team can win, especially at home... the thing that is a big deal is giving up 51 points to an offense probably not half as good as what we will see in some games later this season...


I can deal with the loss but not the 51

[ericnyc]

Werent the Browns and the Ravens freaking out just last week about BIG conference losses (one being a dominating loss to us by the Ravens) Guys seriously I know that the world is falling and people are saying we are going to finish in the bottom third of the league but this is NOT college one loss does NOT make a season. We got exposed yesterday but we WILL come out fighting this week and I really think we will come out with a win. And watch out, he is going to say it, I think we can beat the Pats!!! I am angry about the loss and I am angry at how the D played but I am also disgusted at how the fans react when something goes wrong. Yesterday ****** but come on there are fourteen games left to play and this team has the talent and sometimes it takes a big loss to a light a fire under someone butt....this will light a fire and we WILL be in the playoffs!!!!

WHO-DEY!!!!

last monday was by no means a "dominating" loss for the ravens. they lost by 7 points that they easily coudl have scored at the end if their starting qb hadn't gotten hurt or they had gotten some help from the (who'd have thunk it?) PLAY CALLING. not that we didn't earn the win, but no one ever said it was "dominating."

and what's with all the "jumping off the bandwagon" talk? this is starting to sound like a george w bush speech. "you're either with us or aggin us!" we're all fans, obviously, or we wouldn't be so upset. some of us just realize that there is more needed than happy thoughts to make this team the championship contender it has the potential to be. if we squander carson's prime years with this ***** i hope all of you "hooray TEAM!" people are still happy.

[bengal_prideforlife]

last monday was by no means a "dominating" loss for the ravens. they lost by 7 points that they easily coudl have scored at the end if their starting qb hadn't gotten hurt or they had gotten some help from the (who'd have thunk it?) PLAY CALLING. not that we didn't earn the win, but no one ever said it was "dominating."

and what's with all the "jumping off the bandwagon" talk? this is starting to sound like a george w bush speech. "you're either with us or aggin us!" we're all fans, obviously, or we wouldn't be so upset. some of us just realize that there is more needed than happy thoughts to make this team the championship contender it has the potential to be. if we squander carson's prime years with this ***** i hope all of you "hooray TEAM!" people are still happy.
Well I just wish that all of you "oh no, the world is ending" pessimistic wimps would just shutup cause there aint nothing we can do about none of it. Yeah, we can **** and moan, but it aint gon do nothin. Its funny to me that just last week everyone was so happy that we put a beat down on a GREAT team then this week we lost to a division rival at there place and everyone is freaking out. They may be the Browns but they are STILL in the NFL and they have alot of ballplayers. My God its like you all have severe PMS and every which way the wind blows you just go right with it. QUIT WHINING THE TEAM WILL BE FINE!!! There are lots of teams that are way worse off than us, I mean my God the Bolts got there booties HANDED to them and I guarantee you that they are not whining like you. LT has less than 70 yards in his first two games does that mean his season is over or do you expect him to fix it and get 1500 like he always does.

The Saints are 0-2 and the Lions are 2-0!?!? We beat the Ravens week 1 then lose to the Browns week 2!?!? It seems everything is backwards and its really just a matter of which team was the real Bengals. I choose to believe week 1 and you choose to believe week 2 . We will ultimately see come the end of this season, but, if we end up with 10 wins I dont want to hear you people on here talking about how great we are when with every loss (regardless of what you say about being "not satisfied") you jump off the bandwagon. I am NOT satisified with yesterday let me just say that but I refuse to judge this team yet! We had one great outing and one bad outing!!! Judge if you want but I will be a grown up and let the games play out!!!!
:tiger::tiger:WHO DEY:tiger::tiger:

[PDUB]

If we been playing sound defensive football I would feel this way and chalk it up to a bad game, but we havent played any sound defensive football.

[naavshow]

Well I just wish that all of you "oh no, the world is ending" pessimistic wimps would just shutup cause there aint nothing we can do about none of it. Yeah, we can **** and moan, but it aint gon do nothin. Its funny to me that just last week everyone was so happy that we put a beat down on a GREAT team then this week we lost to a division rival at there place and everyone is freaking out. They may be the Browns but they are STILL in the NFL and they have alot of ballplayers. My God its like you all have severe PMS and every which way the wind blows you just go right with it. QUIT WHINING THE TEAM WILL BE FINE!!! There are lots of teams that are way worse off than us, I mean my God the Bolts got there booties HANDED to them and I guarantee you that they are not whining like you. LT has less than 70 yards in his first two games does that mean his season is over or do you expect him to fix it and get 1500 like he always does.

The Saints are 0-2 and the Lions are 2-0!?!? We beat the Ravens week 1 then lose to the Browns week 2!?!? It seems everything is backwards and its really just a matter of which team was the real Bengals. I choose to believe week 1 and you choose to believe week 2 . We will ultimately see come the end of this season, but, if we end up with 10 wins I dont want to hear you people on here talking about how great we are when with every loss (regardless of what you say about being "not satisfied") you jump off the bandwagon. I am NOT satisified with yesterday let me just say that but I refuse to judge this team yet! We had one great outing and one bad outing!!! Judge if you want but I will be a grown up and let the games play out!!!!
:tiger::tiger:WHO DEY:tiger::tiger:

I'll complain when I want and I'll cheer when I want regardless of how you feel about me being "grown up." Since when does watching a bunch of paid professional athletes crumble on defense and getting mad about it because if years of emotional, monitary, and time investments constitute immaturity. I'm not necessarily giving up hope, but if you think that our defense doesn't have some serious problems then you must also think that we've won the war in Iraq. There are major problems which need to be addressed, and based on the history of the Bengals, I have my doubts that they will. I was sick to my stomach watching Adaleus Thomas score a touchdown for the pats last night, realizing that the Bengals could have picked him up as easily as the Patriots. I don't want to hear any more bs in the offseason about cap room. We don't have half the stars as New England, and if we're up against the cap, I can think of at least 11 players who are being overpaid. Yes it's week 2 but what hope did you see in that defense? If you can't see a third and long for the other team resulting in a first down completion to a tight end every time, then you haven't been paying attention. So go ahead and be "grown up" and never try to analyze or think objectively about anything, and I'll continue to act like a little kid and try to figure out why the defense is as bad as it is and continue to call for change until I get it. nice post.

[ShovelheadT]

Well I just wish that all of you "oh no, the world is ending" pessimistic wimps would just shutup cause there aint nothing we can do about none of it. Yeah, we can **** and moan, but it aint gon do nothin. Its funny to me that just last week everyone was so happy that we put a beat down on a GREAT team then this week we lost to a division rival at there place and everyone is freaking out. They may be the Browns but they are STILL in the NFL and they have alot of ballplayers. My God its like you all have severe PMS and every which way the wind blows you just go right with it. QUIT WHINING THE TEAM WILL BE FINE!!! There are lots of teams that are way worse off than us, I mean my God the Bolts got there booties HANDED to them and I guarantee you that they are not whining like you. LT has less than 70 yards in his first two games does that mean his season is over or do you expect him to fix it and get 1500 like he always does.

The Saints are 0-2 and the Lions are 2-0!?!? We beat the Ravens week 1 then lose to the Browns week 2!?!? It seems everything is backwards and its really just a matter of which team was the real Bengals. I choose to believe week 1 and you choose to believe week 2 . We will ultimately see come the end of this season, but, if we end up with 10 wins I dont want to hear you people on here talking about how great we are when with every loss (regardless of what you say about being "not satisfied") you jump off the bandwagon. I am NOT satisified with yesterday let me just say that but I refuse to judge this team yet! We had one great outing and one bad outing!!! Judge if you want but I will be a grown up and let the games play out!!!!
:tiger::tiger:WHO DEY:tiger::tiger:

I bet if I searched hard enough, I'd find these same words typed in each of the last 3 years. I can easily judge this team, because I'm basing it off the last 3 or 4 years. A lot of these guys are wanna be's. They continue to talk a mean game, but they never show it out on the field. Sure, we can semi shut down a annually weak Ravens offense.

I don't expect this defense to be elite, I just want a consistent performance from week to week. A top 20 defense right now would have this team rolling. How pathetic is that?

[ericnyc]

Well I just wish that all of you "oh no, the world is ending" pessimistic wimps would just shutup cause there aint nothing we can do about none of it. Yeah, we can **** and moan, but it aint gon do nothin. Its funny to me that just last week everyone was so happy that we put a beat down on a GREAT team then this week we lost to a division rival at there place and everyone is freaking out. They may be the Browns but they are STILL in the NFL and they have alot of ballplayers. My God its like you all have severe PMS and every which way the wind blows you just go right with it. QUIT WHINING THE TEAM WILL BE FINE!!! There are lots of teams that are way worse off than us, I mean my God the Bolts got there booties HANDED to them and I guarantee you that they are not whining like you. LT has less than 70 yards in his first two games does that mean his season is over or do you expect him to fix it and get 1500 like he always does.

The Saints are 0-2 and the Lions are 2-0!?!? We beat the Ravens week 1 then lose to the Browns week 2!?!? It seems everything is backwards and its really just a matter of which team was the real Bengals. I choose to believe week 1 and you choose to believe week 2 . We will ultimately see come the end of this season, but, if we end up with 10 wins I dont want to hear you people on here talking about how great we are when with every loss (regardless of what you say about being "not satisfied") you jump off the bandwagon. I am NOT satisified with yesterday let me just say that but I refuse to judge this team yet! We had one great outing and one bad outing!!! Judge if you want but I will be a grown up and let the games play out!!!!
:tiger::tiger:WHO DEY:tiger::tiger:

the fault in your logic here is that good defenses almost never have such a catastrophic meltdown as our d had yesterday, whereas mediocre to bad defenses are more than capable of having surprisingly good games against weak offenses who make mistakes. so i do choose to believe week 2 is the real bengals defense because logic would tell me that's much much more likely. will they be that bad every week? almost certainly not. but the fact of the matter is they've shown that they have the capacity to be that bad, so there's no way they're really any good. so keep clapping and maybe you can bring tinkerbell back to life.

[bengal_prideforlife]

the fault in your logic here is that good defenses almost never have such a catastrophic meltdown as our d had yesterday, whereas mediocre to bad defenses are more than capable of having surprisingly good games against weak offenses who make mistakes. so i do choose to believe week 2 is the real bengals defense because logic would tell me that's much much more likely. will they be that bad every week? almost certainly not. but the fact of the matter is they've shown that they have the capacity to be that bad, so there's no way they're really any good. so keep clapping and maybe you can bring tinkerbell back to life.
The fault in your logic is that I never said we had a good defense or even a bad defense!! I said its still early and I will leave judgement about the TEAM till we have more proof....so what are you talking about???

[9050Michael]

Listen, there is a huge difference in a few things going wrong and an all out defensive implosion! And that is exactly what happened. That defense could not have contained Princeton High yesterday. Remember how bad they looked just a few years ago. Not all that long ago that team was the laughing stock of the entire league. That is exactly what I was reminded of yesterday. Just a bunch of guys there to get a check and drive away in their Mercedes. The coaching staff may lose this team this time.

[naavshow]

umm... all the "proof" you need is the giant 51 on the browns scoreboard under the word HOME

[bengals82]

Cleveland always gives us trouble. Not sure why, but we should be able to handle them better on a regular basis.

But I still believe this is a 10 win team. I know some will call me overly optimistic or even crazy. But I believe.

Assuming the real defense will play somewhere between the Ravens game and the Cleveland game, we will split with all the division opponents and lose to the Pats. Other than that, I believe every game is winnable. Seattle and St.L will be tough, but I believe we will come out with ten victories. Yes. The Defense was terrible yesterday. Special teams were awful. But I won't give up hope now. I believe we will go into the bye week 2-2. Mark it down.

[guns011]

yeah but.... you never know about the pats really, honestly we don't know what will transpire with them from now until october 1st. the media is now talking about the pats were also trying to steal radio frequencies, the commissioner is also getting all of their game tape, etc.. from the jets game. goodell just said yesterday that if anything else comes out and is proven he will again have to deal with the pats, and next time would bring heavier consequences. you seriously never know what's going to happen with that. but i'll bet something does before we even get a chance to play them. sure hope something does cuz that team is un friggin real man.

[SkerBengal]

I know anything can happen on any Sunday but in the AFC every game counts. I would be able to deal with it better if we lost to the Ravens not the Browns.

EVERY GAME COUNTS

[Bengal_Babe]

My 12 yr old is a better linebacker than some of our guys...seriously!! Thanks for putting the option of 'all of the above'...Bengals website has a poll but I didn't vote because they don't give us the option of 'all of the above'. Turk, I need one of those t-shirts!! Whose ordering them up??

[Crewfish13]

I'm not going to lose my optimism yet. One loss does not a season make.

That being said, the Bengals are notorious for playing down to their competition and not winning the "should win" games. They tend to show up in the tough games and let lightweights knock them out. Until we can put the "should win" games away in the first half, we're going to keep struggling week in and week out. Hopefully, this is the game that will give us enough fire to actually show up against Seattle and NE, hitting the bye at 3-1.

[WhoDey29859]

Is our D gonna hold us? We all no Carson and O will but the D?:nervous:

[zanetdaniels]

Is our D gonna hold us? We all no Carson and O will but the D?:nervous:

Absolutely NOT!

[WhoDey29859]

Playoffs?

[pat5775]

Playoffs?

Maybe if a miracle occurs and the D actually holds an offense from putting up pver 50 points.

[ThumperThurman]

We will be 2-2 at the bye. Seattle will lose next week. The D will play good and everyone on this board will do a complete flop. 99% of the posters here are bandwagon jumpers who jump on and off each week. If we win we are the next SB champs and if we lose we are the same old Bengals again. This defense is not as bad as it played yesterday. We had a game plan that got ruined by Brooks and Joseph getting hurt. Caleb was not able to succeed in the game plan because he *****. Leon Hall is not ready to be a starter in the NFL yet. Next weeks game plan will be more supporting and assisting to Leon Hall. Hopefully Brooks is back or else it is going to be very conservative. It is tough for your game plan to work when 2 of your best defensive players leave the game injured.

[WhoDey29859]

I think its too early to worry. Maybe next month we shood be concerened.

[zanetdaniels]

We will be 2-2 at the bye. Seattle will lose next week. The D will play good and everyone on this board will do a complete flop. 99% of the posters here are bandwagon jumpers who jump on and off each week. If we win we are the next SB champs and if we lose we are the same old Bengals again. This defense is not as bad as it played yesterday. We had a game plan that got ruined by Brooks and Joseph getting hurt. Caleb was not able to succeed in the game plan because he *****. Leon Hall is not ready to be a starter in the NFL yet. Next weeks game plan will be more supporting and assisting to Leon Hall. Hopefully Brooks is back or else it is going to be very conservative. It is tough for your game plan to work when 2 of your best defensive players leave the game injured.

You have GOT to be kidding me! You are just as clueless as Chuck Bresnahan! Please troll....give me some LOGIC to back up your post! Thanks :)

PS. Don't call us "Bandwagon" jumpers......Sheep!

[Carson4mvp]

Is our D gonna hold us? We all no Carson and O will but the D?:nervous:


NOPE! we give up 500+ yards to the BROWNS ingaine what we would give up to a team like the patriots aka CHEATERS we be lucky to win 7 games

[Jumbro]

maybe we can ask CJ to play some cornerback and show up the real DB's on this team.

lol


Our problem isn't which D will show up (because it is always the same D, we just get luckier sometimes)...the problem is will theother offense understand how to exploit a D playing at the junior high school level? My guess, Seattle will be able to do that.

[WhoDey29859]

ya 2-2 then next 4 games 6-2

[zanetdaniels]

The same old usual D.....we do not have a GOOD defense. We have one that allows our offense to OUTSCORE another team, but we have NEVER had one that can stop another team from scoring!

[djam]

We will be 2-2 at the bye. Seattle will lose next week. The D will play good and everyone on this board will do a complete flop. 99% of the posters here are bandwagon jumpers who jump on and off each week. If we win we are the next SB champs and if we lose we are the same old Bengals again. This defense is not as bad as it played yesterday. We had a game plan that got ruined by Brooks and Joseph getting hurt. Caleb was not able to succeed in the game plan because he *****. Leon Hall is not ready to be a starter in the NFL yet. Next weeks game plan will be more supporting and assisting to Leon Hall. Hopefully Brooks is back or else it is going to be very conservative. It is tough for your game plan to work when 2 of your best defensive players leave the game injured.

I like your post, I like your optimism, but I highly disagree that anyone who is posting to this board is jumping off the bandwagon. I am sick of hearing that---it's such and overrated and unrealistic statement. If anyone actually jumped off the bandwagon, they would not be sitting on a Bengals message board posting their frustrations with this team after a sickening loss. People who jump ship are gone, they wouldn't even be here right now. The people who are upset LOVE this team and want the best for the Bengals. Most of us have been fans since we were kids and have loved this team for years and years---through all the losing seasons, all the turmoil. We love this team enough to be here spending our time discussing, venting, and observing our team and each others points.

That said, ML did a POOR job in todays press conference. He has done a poor job at tijme, at making team decisions. He has done some good things too, but lately, it;s been more bad than good. He needs to hold himself accountable, and he never does. That is absurd and not how to be a leader.

[zanetdaniels]

I like your post, I like your optimism, but I highly disagree that anyone who is posting to this board is jumping off the bandwagon. I am sick of hearing that---it's such and overrated and unrealistic statement. If anyone actually jumped off the bandwagon, they would not be sitting on a Bengals message board posting their frustrations with this team after a sickening loss. People who jump ship are gone, they wouldn't even be here right now. The people who are upset LOVE this team and want the best for the Bengals. Most of us have been fans since we were kids and have loved this team for years and years---through all the losing seasons, all the turmoil. We love this team enough to be here spending our time discussing, venting, and observing our team and each others points.

That said, ML did a POOR job in todays press conference. He has done a poor job at tijme, at making team decisions. He has done some good things too, but lately, it;s been more bad than good. He needs to hold himself accountable, and he never does. That is absurd and not how to be a leader.

Good Post....I gave you some rep points. I agree 100%. I too am sick of hearing that. Some people simply cannot mentally comprehend this concept!

[J24]

The Key for this team is controlling the Clock and keeping our D off the Feild as long as it and you know what Carson, Chad, and T.J have proven that they just want to score points give the Dang Ball to Rudi and let him run.Were 16-1 when he gets the ball 25 times.

[WhoDey29859]

All u people LAST week is over im tiered ov hearing about browns, time to focus about Seacraps.

[USMC/Ret.]

I hope i eat my words but it'll be the same D that forces the opposing offense into a 3rd down situation only to lay down and practically gift wrap a first down.

[WhoDey29859]

The C+ defense. They'll win but not by many. Seacraps will bring B- defense.

[ThumperThurman]

The Bengals week 3 defense will show up, play well, and assist us in winning the game by allowing less than 20 points.

[peteao]

If our Defense can just hold the other team to less than 30 points, we have a chance to win 10 games.

Who-Dey

[Crewfish13]

Defense will show up this week. Why? Because Marvin is personally ripping each and every one of them a new one this week.

Nothing gets a team going like a humiliating loss. I'm not worried about week 3 - it what they do week 4 after making a decent showing in week 3 that worries me.

[ChicagoBengal]

Realistically, it's probably going to be somewhere in between what we saw in week one and the debacle that was yesterday. Seattle is a better team than Cleveland, and if the D has any pride at all (the opener showed that they do), they will be fired up for this game.

Hopefully we'll see some of that QB pressure from game one back in there next week.

[Bengals73]

The Bengals week 3 defense will show up, play well, and assist us in winning the game by allowing less than 20 points.

Ok, I know you have Thurman in your name, but stay off the crack

[suter51]

All u people LAST week is over im tiered ov hearing about browns, time to focus about Seacraps.

Winning in Seattle will not be easy. Since 2003 they are 27-6 at home with two 8-0 seasons. I fully expect us to rebound and not look like the worst defense ever, but it won't be easy to get a W in Seattle.

[Skyblade]

The Key for this team is controlling the Clock and keeping our D off the Feild as long as it and you know what Carson, Chad, and T.J have proven that they just want to score points give the Dang Ball to Rudi and let him run.Were 16-1 when he gets the ball 25 times.
Were 16-1 when Rudi rushes 25+ times because Rudi only gets the ball that often when we our running. You see we don't win games with the rushing game, it gets to stopped to often. Rudi just gets a lot of touches when were up 10-14 because it helps us run off the clock...

[Lynx 37]

I like your post, I like your optimism, but I highly disagree that anyone who is posting to this board is jumping off the bandwagon. I am sick of hearing that---it's such and overrated and unrealistic statement. If anyone actually jumped off the bandwagon, they would not be sitting on a Bengals message board posting their frustrations with this team after a sickening loss. People who jump ship are gone, they wouldn't even be here right now. The people who are upset LOVE this team and want the best for the Bengals. Most of us have been fans since we were kids and have loved this team for years and years---through all the losing seasons, all the turmoil. We love this team enough to be here spending our time discussing, venting, and observing our team and each others points.

That said, ML did a POOR job in todays press conference. He has done a poor job at tijme, at making team decisions. He has done some good things too, but lately, it;s been more bad than good. He needs to hold himself accountable, and he never does. That is absurd and not how to be a leader.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

[cinc4ever1]

I expect to see us rebound and playing the seahawks wont be easy but they are very beatable the cardinals proved that.I really want to see the defense play better coverage cause it was horrible yesterday they couldn't keep up with the browns recievers for some reason.Im really actually tired of talking about the defense cause i can't figure these guys out i mean how could Geathers not get to the Browns QB against some no namer.Also Peko,Thorton,Myers,and Smith were getting manhandled throughout the whole game.I thought we had a defensive line this year but now i have doubts,i also have doubts about Madiue just like i did last year always out of position.

[ThumperThurman]

Ok, I know you have Thurman in your name, but stay off the crack

Thurman never did crack. I am stating what is going to happen. Next week you will see.

[Bengals73]

Thurman never did crack. I am stating what is going to happen. Next week you will see.

I hope you're right... I really do , but with what i saw yesterday, I'm not very optimistic

[ThumperThurman]

I hope you're right... I really do , but with what i saw yesterday, I'm not very optimistic

So if you combine week 1 and week 2 what do you think?

[cinc4ever1]

So if you combine week 1 and week 2 what do you think?

Well i see two different defenses, but who comes to play in Seattle i cannot say.Now this is the thought that keeps me up at night.:nervous:Just kidding

[Ericw712]

We've got the talent and I think it comes down to excecution and drawing up the right scheme for the given talent.

[BengalBarry]

Some people need to lighten up, we are only 1 game out of 1st and play the first place team twice, Marvin will get the offense and defense together and compete for the division.

[Chadleyjm]

I have never been part of an NFL team, so I don't know what the problem is. But I do know when an organization (not necessarily a football team) has problems in a specific area. The person in charge of that area is held accountable. Chuck should have been made to hitchhike back from Cleveland. If a unit can be effective in one game, then with proper coaching, they can be effective almost every outing. With this offense all we are asking for is a top 15-ranked defense. You cannot tell me, that with this group, he can't put up even an average defense.
Again, I have never been part of an NFL organization, but I could have coached the D to give up 51 points.

[Chadleyjm]

Some people need to lighten up, we are only 1 game out of 1st and play the first place team twice, Marvin will get the offense and defense together and compete for the division.

We are only one game out because we have only played 2 games.
Have you seen P-burg?
Loosing any ground, specifically conference ground, to them is going to come back to haunt us.

[guns011]

it's the schemes. just as a previous member posted, we've seen this same D with alot of different players in it. and it never seems to work. also, i agree with another previous post when i say that perhaps the bengals D was masked on monday night when it was lucky enough to get alot of those turnovers.

[Chadleyjm]

it's the schemes. just as a previous member posted, we've seen this same D with alot of different players in it. and it never seems to work. also, i agree with another previous post when i say that perhaps the bengals D was masked on monday night when it was lucky enough to get alot of those turnovers.

Not to mention a the refs took away a Ravens TD.
Let's be honest, after the Ravens gave up 5 turnovers (at that point), they still managed to tie us up at the end. Except for the fact the refs blew the call, and allowed Cincy to have a few more shots at defending the goal line.

[Long Time Bengal Fan]

People, people, you want to lay all the blame on the D when special teams were almost as bad!

If anyone on here are implying that the D and special teams weren't out of position I have to question the fact that you watched the game. If you did were you sober?

These guys were so out of position that I could have caught the ball and got a touchdown or ran back a kick off for a big gain and I'm old and slow.

That being said, it is the responsability of the coaches to insure that their guys are in position. If they are not they should be bending their ears on the sideline making sure they know what they did wrong.

I wonder why I see alot of co-ordinators of other teams on the sideline with photos and clip boards in hand coaching up their guys but our co-ordinators seem to be standing around watching the game?

After all that went wrong yesterday I still feel the team will mature on D enough to be competitive. I just hope it's not too late in the season before it occurs!

In short, 2 games down, 14 to go. Lets not freak out over one game. Don't forget: Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while!

All is not lost!

Who Dey!

[Chadleyjm]

In short, 2 games down, 14 to go. Lets not freak out over one game. Don't forget: Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while!

All is not lost!

Who Dey!

Everywhere I go in these posts I find someone saying don't panic it is only the second game.

THAT IS WHY I AM PANICING! It is only the second game of the season and we already are starting the same crap that blew it for us last year. This isn't game two of this season. It is game 18 of last season.

Same team, same coaches, same problems, same excuses.
Guess what, same results!

[Chadleyjm]

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while!


By the way, this sounds like Chucks defensive stradegy:
Send a bunch of blind squirrels out on the field, and hope one of them finds a nut.