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fuzzychin
12-08-2008, 12:46 PM
What makes anyone think that spending another high pick on a running back is going to instantly yield production in the running game. We have 2 1st round picks on the roster already and they have proven that without blocking, you can't run.

Building a decent O-Line and having a competent fullback are the only player upgrades that are going to really see us improve in the running game.

momadance02
12-08-2008, 12:49 PM
I really hope we don't draft one.

WHO_DEY_51
12-08-2008, 12:52 PM
What makes anyone think that spending another high pick on a running back is going to instantly yield production in the running game. We have 2 1st round picks on the roster already and they have proven that without blocking, you can't run.

Building a decent O-Line and having a competent fullback are the only player upgrades that are going to really see us improve in the running game.

I agree. Draft Devin Moore from Wyoming with the 4th round pick. He has 4.32 speed. He will drop because he is not a every down back. He is only 5'9" 195 lbs.

All yea, he also can return kicks.

OneTwistedGamer
12-08-2008, 01:13 PM
What makes anyone think that spending another high pick on a running back is going to instantly yield production in the running game. We have 2 1st round picks on the roster already and they have proven that without blocking, you can't run.

Building a decent O-Line and having a competent fullback are the only player upgrades that are going to really see us improve in the running game.

I agree with you completely. We should build the O-line and then worry about the Running Back. If we can not draft O-line in the first then we have to consider a Running Back. I do not see this being a problem though.

STC
12-08-2008, 01:18 PM
Walter Payton wouldn't average 3 yards behind our current line. Go O-line early, and often.

Bech72
12-08-2008, 02:20 PM
I agree. Draft Devin Moore from Wyoming with the 4th round pick. He has 4.32 speed. He will drop because he is not a every down back. He is only 5'9" 195 lbs.

All yea, he also can return kicks.

That 4.32 speed is the exact reason that he won't be available in 4. If we want him we might think about grabbing him at the top of 3 if he is there; thank Chris Johnson for that.


Anyway, Wells is a game changer and he would be our feature back for the next 5-8 seasons. I would prefer Smith in 1; but I posted earlier that Oher's stock is currently slipping and we might need a contingency should Detroit draft Smith and if there isn't a 2nd OT rated in the top 5. Beanie might make sense at that point. That said, we should be able to get a productive back at the top of 2 or 3 if we get Smith in 1. We do need a RB though; as well as a FB in the 4-6 range.

routster
12-08-2008, 02:35 PM
chris wells would be great but we need a line so i say get a runningback might come later.are pass rush is awful so michael johnson could be intriguing as well,we need to find a center as well.3rd rd could be a possibility

twizbuck
12-08-2008, 02:46 PM
Because our RB's are average at best?

If we don't bring in one, regardless of how our O-line is we still won't have a run game. Benson's a decent RB who shouldn't be our feature guy, and Perry is a joke.

I hope we draft at least one. Moore at the latest. We wont' take a first round RB, but between the second and fourth we do need one. We won't get one in FA.

a6pk2go
12-08-2008, 04:50 PM
From what I have seen we need one but we don't need to go after one until we get a line that will be able to open holes. I also think we need to keep Benson although he appears lazy at times but one guy that needs to go is PERRY!!!!

twizbuck
12-08-2008, 05:20 PM
Well, if this forum has its way, we won't have a run game for another year. Fun times.

I may be alone in this but I really believe we need a strong balance on offense, and we can't have that with Benson and Perry unless Watson manages to get through a season without injury and takes over.

NATTIB77
12-08-2008, 06:21 PM
Walter Payton wouldn't average 3 yards behind our current line. Go O-line early, and often.


Yeah what he said. Anyone heard of Timmy Smith? RB for the Redskins in the 80's during the hay day of the "HOGS" well after the "HOGS" left so did Timmy Smith, my point is if you have a "O" line that can make wholes I don't give a good GD who the RB is points will be put on the board. We need "O" line help badly. We all know that these boards are for us to vent and that management may read them but don't pay them much mind but for our sake I hope they are at least thinking the same things we are, 'cause if not stand by for some strerile years in the AFC North for us.

Bengal Dude
12-08-2008, 06:26 PM
We do need a RB, but we need OL even more. Benson and Perry aren't the best so we do need to find someone to at least take 10-15 carries.

BlackSunshyne
12-08-2008, 06:58 PM
Fix the O line first. Look at the top running attacks in the league. Do you see any of these guys running behind subpar lines? Didn't think so. Fixing our offensive line has to be our #1 priority going into this off season. It cost us our QB this year and if no improvements are made it will probably do the same next year.

fuzzychin
12-08-2008, 06:58 PM
Most ppl that have responded seem to agree with the upgrade the line and we'll upgrade the running game.

Can someone who disagrees please explain how we could justify taking a running back with a high draft pick? Especially with our 1st rounder.

Benson was a 4th overall pick 4 1,000 seasons in college. Reggie Bush is another example of a college running back that everyone thought would be great and has never rushed for even 600 yeards in a season.

With the amount of $$ we will have to pay our 1st rounder, he CANNOT be a bust and must produce for more than 2-4 years. Lineman are a lot less injury prone.

twizbuck
12-08-2008, 09:04 PM
Most ppl that have responded seem to agree with the upgrade the line and we'll upgrade the running game.

Can someone who disagrees please explain how we could justify taking a running back with a high draft pick? Especially with our 1st rounder.

Benson was a 4th overall pick 4 1,000 seasons in college. Reggie Bush is another example of a college running back that everyone thought would be great and has never rushed for even 600 yeards in a season.

With the amount of $$ we will have to pay our 1st rounder, he CANNOT be a bust and must produce for more than 2-4 years. Lineman are a lot less injury prone.

I love how everyone wants to keep Benson, but now all of a sudden because he's a bust he's why we shouldn't draft one.

:wacko:

Anyway, we should draft one because we need talent at RB. We've seen plenty of RB's come in and make a huge difference on their teams. Adrian Peterson, Matt Forte, Felix Jones, Jonathon Stewart, Tim Hightower, and that's just this year. Plus, you're far more likely to find a successful RB on day one than in the later rounds. Yeah I listed Hightower, I know he was a later pick, but I don't care. The odds are not there, and with the talent that's availible early (Beanie, Moreno, Greene, Jennings, Davis, Spiller, Ringer [and that's in order of who I'd like the most]), I don't see why we should pass on one. Once we address Center, we need to take a RB. I'll even take Moore in the fourth, we NEED a running back, I'd just prefer one that could be a feature back.

BlackSunshyne
12-08-2008, 09:36 PM
I love how everyone wants to keep Benson, but now all of a sudden because he's a bust he's why we shouldn't draft one.

:wacko:

Anyway, we should draft one because we need talent at RB. We've seen plenty of RB's come in and make a huge difference on their teams. Adrian Peterson, Matt Forte, Felix Jones, Jonathon Stewart, Tim Hightower, and that's just this year. Plus, you're far more likely to find a successful RB on day one than in the later rounds. Yeah I listed Hightower, I know he was a later pick, but I don't care. The odds are not there, and with the talent that's availible early (Beanie, Moreno, Greene, Jennings, Davis, Spiller, Ringer [and that's in order of who I'd like the most]), I don't see why we should pass on one. Once we address Center, we need to take a RB. I'll even take Moore in the fourth, we NEED a running back, I'd just prefer one that could be a feature back.

I have no problem taking a RB in the draft, AFTER we fix the O line. Tackle trumps Center, which puts RB at a 3rd rounder at the earliest. Not to mention defensive needs.

ralex
12-08-2008, 10:22 PM
yeah, i feel like reaching for the tequila everytime somone says WE NEED WELLS WITH THE 2nd PICK! injury-prone running back to run behind Whit, Collins, and Williams... a line of 3 when you need 5

twizbuck
12-08-2008, 11:10 PM
I have no problem taking a RB in the draft, AFTER we fix the O line. Tackle trumps Center, which puts RB at a 3rd rounder at the earliest. Not to mention defensive needs.

Tackle trumps Center... I can't believe that.

twizbuck
12-08-2008, 11:10 PM
yeah, i feel like reaching for the tequila everytime somone says WE NEED WELLS WITH THE 2nd PICK! injury-prone running back to run behind Whit, Collins, and Williams... a line of 3 when you need 5

Uh-huh, so Collins is a wash then?

NATTIB77
12-08-2008, 11:21 PM
Uh-huh, so Collins is a wash then?

I think he was refering to the 3 lineman that all of us think should stay next year. The line of 3 being Whit, Collins and Williams leaving out the two tackles (since all they do is get tackled) Stacey Williams and Levi Jones

twizbuck
12-08-2008, 11:23 PM
I think he was refering to the 3 lineman that all of us think should stay next year. The line of 3 being Whit, Collins and Williams leaving out the two tackles (since all they do is get tackled) Stacey Williams and Levi Jones

Man, I misread that one. That's what happens when you're on the defensive all the time. :nervous:

ralex
12-08-2008, 11:46 PM
I think he was refering to the 3 lineman that all of us think should stay next year. The line of 3 being Whit, Collins and Williams leaving out the two tackles (since all they do is get tackled) Stacey Williams and Levi Jones

Yes, thank you. Especially for getting the tackles thing right.. I am not one who wants Whit to move to RT

Broken1
12-09-2008, 12:12 AM
We need a running back because there isn't a back on this team who has the capability of being "the guy"...

Regardless of how the offensive line situation plays out, we will need to upgrade the running back position at one point or another...

What do you think we should wait til next year or something?

Please tell me you don't think that Benson can carry the load...

fuzzychin
12-09-2008, 11:59 AM
So are we scrapping DeDe and Watson? Is it possible that Perry could make progress this offseason? This is his first season back from injury. I'm not saying he will, just a question. What about Kenny Irons? Is his NFL career over or might he be able to compete for a roster spot next year?

Fix the line. Protect Carson. Running back by commitee with who we have.

Bech72
12-09-2008, 12:03 PM
Tackle trumps Center... I can't believe that.

Tackle only trumps center in round 1 since you can't draft a top 5 center.

twizbuck
12-09-2008, 03:20 PM
So are we scrapping DeDe and Watson? Is it possible that Perry could make progress this offseason? This is his first season back from injury. I'm not saying he will, just a question. What about Kenny Irons? Is his NFL career over or might he be able to compete for a roster spot next year?

Fix the line. Protect Carson. Running back by commitee with who we have.

We'll have an abysmal run game. But, hey, if you're ok with that...

And no, we don't scrap Watson, but he can't stay healthy. DeDe, yes, he's gone. Along with Perry and, if I had it my way, Benson. Irons, forget it.

twizbuck
12-09-2008, 03:21 PM
Tackle only trumps center in round 1 since you can't draft a top 5 center.

Eh, I still see it as our biggest need.

BlackSunshyne
12-09-2008, 05:47 PM
Tackle only trumps center in round 1 since you can't draft a top 5 center.

You could draft a top 5 center, you'd be the laughing stock of the league...oh wait...nevermind. You could even take a Punter or Kicker in the top 5 if you really wanted to. The only way to get top value from our top 5 pick is a DOMINANT LT. With the abysmal play and subsequent injury of Levi, the questions surrounding Collins ablility to play LT. Our greatest need is at LT. Couple that with the slot we are gonna be picking from it's a no brainer. Look at what Thomas did for Cleveland, what Long did for Miami. If our FO does the homework to avoid a Robert Gallery type mistake. There is no reason we shouldn't see significant improvement on the line next season.

1st pick---Whitworth---2nd pick---Williams---Collins

NATTIB77
12-09-2008, 05:54 PM
You could draft a top 5 center, you'd be the laughing stock of the league...oh wait...nevermind. You could even take a Punter or Kicker in the top 5 if you really wanted to. The only way to get top value from our top 5 pick is a DOMINANT LT. With the abysmal play and subsequent injury of Levi, the questions surrounding Collins ablility to play LT. Our greatest need is at LT. Couple that with the slot we are gonna be picking from it's a no brainer. Look at what Thomas did for Cleveland, what Long did for Miami. If our FO does the homework to avoid a Robert Gallery type mistake. There is no reason we shouldn't see significant improvement on the line next season.

1st pick---Whitworth---2nd pick---Williams---Collins

I can agree with that 100%, like I previously stated we are all seeing eye to eye when it comes to who stays on this "O" line Whit, Bobbie and AC. You know I would care less if Stacey goes anywhere else and plays his tail off. He HAS to leave here. I can't believe we let Willie go for this bum to sit here and play worse than Willie when Willie was limpin around. Maybe the Raven let Willie go and he comes home next year.

ralex
12-09-2008, 06:03 PM
Benson can be our Rudi-type runner...

Maybe Perry works with a specialist to hold on to the ball, makes changes like Tiki Barber did when he was fumbling a lot.

We can find a good running back after addressing OT/C.. Clemson's RB James Davis is a big back with speed that has had a bad year along with the entire Clemson offense which means his stock has fallen and we could totally get lucky getting him. Also, Shonn Greene from Iowa or Rashad Jennings Liberty(who has Beanie Wells like size/speed) are all possible backs we could get after addressing bigger needs.

Whatever
12-10-2008, 12:05 AM
That 4.32 speed is the exact reason that he won't be available in 4. If we want him we might think about grabbing him at the top of 3 if he is there; thank Chris Johnson for that.


Anyway, Wells is a game changer and he would be our feature back for the next 5-8 seasons. I would prefer Smith in 1; but I posted earlier that Oher's stock is currently slipping and we might need a contingency should Detroit draft Smith and if there isn't a 2nd OT rated in the top 5. Beanie might make sense at that point. That said, we should be able to get a productive back at the top of 2 or 3 if we get Smith in 1. We do need a RB though; as well as a FB in the 4-6 range.

True,Oher is slipping. However,Eugene Monroe has climbed most draft boards into around the #4 position and wouldn't be a big reach at #2,and Beanie is still rated outside the top 10 on most draft boards. On average,the top 10 prospects look like this.

1 Andre Smith Alabama OT
2 Matt Stafford Georgia QB
3 Malcolm Jenkins Ohio State CB
4 Eugene Monroe Virginia OT
5 Michael Crabtree Texas Tech WR
6 Knowshon Moreno Georgia RB
7 Aaron Curry Wake Forest OLB43 ILB
8 James Laurinaitis Ohio State ILB
9 Taylor Mays USC FS
10 Michael Oher Mississippi OT

If Detroit takes Smith,we're not taking Stafford or Jenkins,so I think that pretty much makes Monroe our pick.