Let the Chad circus begin

[BEN - DC]

With "Hard Knocks" coming to town, be ready for Mr. Ochocinco to make his triumphant return for the HBO cameras. It may be one of the reasons he decides to come back without a fight. Please don't act like a moron Chad and embarrass yourself.

[Bengals in Toronto]

if that happens i would love to see him as the filling of a Maualuga and River's sandwich

[TheBengals]

if that happens i would love to see him as the filling of a Maualuga and River's sandwich

We're all on the same team right?:tiger:

[CloeHokie]

As long as he is working I could care less. Chad is a funny guy. If he has some fun with the cameras so be it. As long as it doesnt take away from his job.

[Bengals in Toronto]

well with Chad there is only one team thats team Chad he needs to relise he is a Bengal still all the other guys want to go forward with eachother.

Chad acts like an *** he should get beaten like one.

[OSUfan]

With "Hard Knocks" coming to town, be ready for Mr. Ochocinco to make his triumphant return for the HBO cameras. It may be one of the reasons he decides to come back without a fight. Please don't act like a moron Chad and embarrass yourself.

This probably could have fit under the "Hard Knocks" thread. So I guess Chad has known all offseason that they were going to be on this program? I mean you cite it as a reason for his offseason behavior.

[gsmommy03]

I'm sure he'll behave himself. He will be one of the many who'll be representing Cincinnati and the Organization...

[OSUfan]

well with Chad there is only one team thats team Chad he needs to relise he is a Bengal still all the other guys want to go forward with eachother.

Chad acts like an *** he should get beaten like one.

Why don't you give him a call and offer to do the beating? When the season is under way you may REALIZE why they kept him on this team.

[Barrnok1]

Who Care's..........Yawn

[CloeHokie]

well with Chad there is only one team thats team Chad he needs to relise he is a Bengal still all the other guys want to go forward with eachother.

Chad acts like an *** he should get beaten like one.

I think he has had a bad rap for that. He wants more money. Thats it. He has given his heart and soul to this team since he was drafted. He is just stupid and went about it in the wrong way.

Are you saying he cant have fun with the camera crew etc? I dont see any issue with having fun as long as you get your job done. When Chad is joking around he is just more happy and a better player. I hope he gets back to that.

[Bengals in Toronto]

Why don't you give him a call and offer to do the beating? When the season is under way you may REALIZE why they kept him on this team.

if he is here to play football and is in game shape with the right TEAM FIRST attitude I am all for him. I never said i wanted him traded. I just want him to play with HEART and PASSION once again

[Bengals in Toronto]

I think he has had a bad rap for that. He wants more money. Thats it. He has given his heart and soul to this team since he was drafted. He is just stupid and went about it in the wrong way.

Are you saying he cant have fun with the camera crew etc? I dont see any issue with having fun as long as you get your job done. When Chad is joking around he is just more happy and a better player. I hope he gets back to that.

He has been reward for it in the past and if he plays with the same Passion as 2005 I am sure he will get rewarded for it. I am just tired of him sitting on his pitty pot

[Bengals in Toronto]

Are you saying he cant have fun with the camera crew etc? I dont see any issue with having fun as long as you get your job done. When Chad is joking around he is just more happy and a better player. I hope he gets back to that.


I have no problem with having fun i want his to start a new list on who cant beat him this season, last year he beat him self before anyone had a chance to try to do it.

[OSUfan]

if he is here to play football and is in game shape with the right TEAM FIRST attitude I am all for him. I never said i wanted him traded. I just want him to play with HEART and PASSION once again

And how is it that you know that he won't? The only people not letting the entire Chadgate Saga go are the ones on these boards. I mean what does it say when the media does not even find it to be a story anymore, yet it is still a daily topic on these boards? He is a part of this team......that should be enough said. You say you want to see him play with heart and passion........You do know that his passion to win is one of the things that helped fuel the outburst. Do I agree with how he handled things? No I do not. I will not however crucify him for a bad offseason.

[CaptainCanada]

if he is here to play football and is in game shape with the right TEAM FIRST attitude I am all for him. I never said i wanted him traded. I just want him to play with HEART and PASSION once again

He's always played with heart and passion. The dude played with his shoulder sticking out of its socket last season on a 4-11-1 team!

[Bengals in Toronto]

And how is it that you know that he won't? The only people not letting the entire Chadgate Saga go are the ones on these boards. I mean what does it say when the media does not even find it to be a story anymore, yet it is still a daily topic on these boards? He is a part of this team......that should be enough said. You say you want to see him play with heart and passion........You do know that his passion to win is one of the things that helped fuel the outburst. Do I agree with how he handled things? No I do not. I will not however crucify him for a bad offseason.



thats what he has to show to the team

[OSUfan]

thats what he has to show to the team

I am willing to bet it is a bigger deal to these boards than it is in the Bengals locker room.

[Bengals in Toronto]

He's always played with heart and passion. The dude played with his shoulder sticking out of its socket last season on a 4-11-1 team!

well he should of had the surgery the team wanted him to have

Granted we didnt have a QB to get him the ball so we should have shut him down so it wouldnt cause further damage

[Bengals in Toronto]

I am willing to bet it is a bigger deal to these boards than it is in the Bengals locker room.

team chemistry is very important in winning games you have to trust the guy next to you can get his job done last year i dont think Chad could have been trusted he jus care about his new name and why it wasnt on his jersey

[freeperjim]

I am willing to bet it is a bigger deal to these boards than it is in the Bengals locker room.

Since o-stinko's meltdown when he attacked a coach, he has a been a hollywood diva & totally all about o-stinko. He's NOT a TEAM player as he has demonstrated by blowing off TEAM meetings, TEAM practices, TEAM workouts, etc. Of course he's a distraction and a cancer to building a strong TEAM chemistry.

[OSUfan]

well he should of had the surgery the team wanted him to have

Granted we didnt have a QB to get him the ball so we should have shut him down so it wouldnt cause further damage

team chemistry is very important in winning games you have to trust the guy next to you can get his job done last year i dont think Chad could have been trusted he jus care about his new name and why it wasnt on his jersey

Topic 1.........His body and that should be his decision. No different than with Carson. Any surgery is a major thing and it is a decision others can not make for an individual and to fault him on his choice is ludicrous.

Topic 2.........Why would you say that other players did not trust him last season? I have not heard that stated by anyone. Citing the entire jersey issue is silly. As I stated previously I would be willing to bet it is a much bigger deal on these boards than in the locker room. I doubt there is a player on this team that is not thankful that they still have one of the best recievers in the league today on this team.

The majority of what is stated on these boards is based on personal feelings of individuals in regard to a negative offseason. Here again I would be willing to bet that the offseason of 08 is rarely even thought about in the team locker room. These guys understand the hyping of the media. They know the real side of the hype.

[OSUfan]

Since o-stinko's meltdown when he attacked a coach, he has a been a hollywood diva & totally all about o-stinko. He's NOT a TEAM player as he has demonstrated by blowing off TEAM meetings, TEAM practices, TEAM workouts, etc. Of course he's a distraction and a cancer to building a strong TEAM chemistry.

Here again......could you please provide the link where it is defined that he "attacked" a coach. This tired old piece of media hype is stated over and over yet whenever I ask for a link that can actually verify what occurred I never seem to recieve it.

By the way I am curious as to which required TEAM practices he has not attended? Can we say media hype.....to my knowledge he has one problem with a team meeting and it was dealt with. Not an issue prior to that and not since. What else you got.

[CloeHokie]

He has been reward for it in the past and if he plays with the same Passion as 2005 I am sure he will get rewarded for it. I am just tired of him sitting on his pitty pot

Last season was the only bad season he has ever had with us. And since Carson had 2 seconds to throw the ball and was hurt it didnt help. We finished last in offense last season. Think thats all on Chad? Nope

Are you saying he cant have fun with the camera crew etc? I dont see any issue with having fun as long as you get your job done. When Chad is joking around he is just more happy and a better player. I hope he gets back to that.


I have no problem with having fun i want his to start a new list on who cant beat him this season, last year he beat him self before anyone had a chance to try to do it.

I would love to see the list back. Lol, but again last season was awful for our entire offense. Chad needs more than 2 seconds to run a good route. Our offense failed as a whole.

well he should of had the surgery the team wanted him to have

Granted we didnt have a QB to get him the ball so we should have shut him down so it wouldnt cause further damage

He didnt need the surgery. And he is better off without it. You think our stupid doctors know whats best? The man has to protect himself and I am sure not having the surgery was his best opition as told to him.

team chemistry is very important in winning games you have to trust the guy next to you can get his job done last year i dont think Chad could have been trusted he jus care about his new name and why it wasnt on his jersey

I agree. Even Carson said not having him and TJ for all of practice made them have a slow start. But the O line was getting Carson creamed in the preseason so I dont care how good a WR is without a good QB/Protection and a runnin game they are worthless.

[CloeHokie]

Since o-stinko's meltdown when he attacked a coach, he has a been a hollywood diva & totally all about o-stinko. He's NOT a TEAM player as he has demonstrated by blowing off TEAM meetings, TEAM practices, TEAM workouts, etc. Of course he's a distraction and a cancer to building a strong TEAM chemistry.

Shaun Smith? That you?

[99ProblemsAnd"85"Aint1]

With "Hard Knocks" coming to town, be ready for Mr. Ochocinco to make his triumphant return for the HBO cameras. It may be one of the reasons he decides to come back without a fight. Please don't act like a moron Chad and embarrass yourself.

Just wondering if you Chad haters actually use your own brain cells or do you just borrow all 3 of Skip Bayless's?

If anything Chad is the most camera savvy player on this team with multiple entertainment appearances to include television sitcom!! Do you think his professionalism regarding this matter is not held in high regard by him, his agent, and publicist? Do you really think he does not know this season is going to determine how big his one last contract is gonna be?

And last of all is Chad boring? NO!!! Will Chad pull some antics? YES!!! Thats what the show is all about letting people inside to see the player personas and the what NFL training camp is all about!!!

If they wanted boring it would be on the Lifetime Channel and they would call it Powder Puff League Profiles!!!!!!!!

[Bengals in Toronto]

the fact thqat Carson couldnt count on him because he was a no show last off season played a big part in it. I am happy Henry took time out of his off season to get his chemisrty with Carson back. Hopefully good things will happen with those two as well as Caldwel and Simpson.

A player who tries to better their skills and chemistry is the player (s) that will have a better season. I am happy Chad is here if he is willing to play hard

[OSUfan]

Shaun Smith? That you?

Very nice Cloe.......Shaun Smith does seem to be the usual source when you ask someone to verify this account. What a reliable source, even Carson called him The Mouth.

[OSUfan]

the fact thqat Carson couldnt count on him because he was a no show last off season played a big part in it. I am happy Henry took time out of his off season to get his chemisrty with Carson back. Hopefully good things will happen with those two as well as Caldwel and Simpson.

A player who tries to better their skills and chemistry is the player (s) that will have a better season. I am happy Chad is here if he is willing to play hard

Chad ALWAYS plays hard. And when the actual practices begin then you certainly do not have to worry. This staff has stated on numerous occasions that Chad is one of the absolute hardest workers they have when it comes to practicing.

Bottomline Toronto..........there is just way too much made about the entire Chad situation on these boards. Here is the telling thing........Marvin is absolutely about team. He has stated he wants players that would play the game for free because it is that important to them. He is bringing in players passionate about the game and retaining his guys that are passionate about the game. There is probably no one in this franchise that has a closer relationship with Chad than Marvin. So what does it tell you that he is still here and they want him on this team?

[Broken1]

Chad ALWAYS plays hard. And when the actual practices begin then you certainly do not have to worry. This staff has stated on numerous occasions that Chad is one of the absolute hardest workers they have when it comes to practicing.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3438994

[CloeHokie]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3438994

Good link showing that he showed up for practice. The injury he claimed proved to be legit by our team doctors.

[Broken1]

Good link showing that he showed up for practice. The injury he claimed proved to be legit by our team doctors.

which one? The ankle or the back?

:lol:

[Bengals in Toronto]

Chad ALWAYS plays hard. And when the actual practices begin then you certainly do not have to worry. This staff has stated on numerous occasions that Chad is one of the absolute hardest workers they have when it comes to practicing.

Bottomline Toronto..........there is just way too much made about the entire Chad situation on these boards. Here is the telling thing........Marvin is absolutely about team. He has stated he wants players that would play the game for free because it is that important to them. He is bringing in players passionate about the game and retaining his guys that are passionate about the game. There is probably no one in this franchise that has a closer relationship with Chad than Marvin. So what does it tell you that he is still here and they want him on this team?

ya that was the problem with cutting thornton right Marvin was in love with him

Thornton's career as a Bengal. But....... He was a Marvin guy right :wacko:

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee155/curlyzoo15/pancakes.jpg

[tlotharw]

Chad ALWAYS plays hard. And when the actual practices begin then you certainly do not have to worry. This staff has stated on numerous occasions that Chad is one of the absolute hardest workers they have when it comes to practicing.

Bottomline Toronto..........there is just way too much made about the entire Chad situation on these boards. Here is the telling thing........Marvin is absolutely about team. He has stated he wants players that would play the game for free because it is that important to them. He is bringing in players passionate about the game and retaining his guys that are passionate about the game. There is probably no one in this franchise that has a closer relationship with Chad than Marvin. So what does it tell you that he is still here and they want him on this team?

He doesn't always play hard. Not when he sits on the ground after giving up a fumble while the other team runs down the field with it.

If you think too much is made of the Chad issue, then consider not making over 30% of the posts in this thread about Chad.

Chad does have one of the closer relationships with his head coach I have ever seen, kissing close.

You ask people to back up what they say, please provide the link to where the coaches say the Chad is the hardest worker on the team. It would be nice to hear that from someone besides Chad. You don't really think Chad would play for free, do you?

[fulllife]

With "Hard Knocks" coming to town, be ready for Mr. Ochocinco to make his triumphant return for the HBO cameras. It may be one of the reasons he decides to come back without a fight. Please don't act like a moron Chad and embarrass yourself.

and now were at 2 on the day

[Bengals in Toronto]

He doesn't always play hard. Not when he sits on the ground after giving up a fumble while the other team runs down the field with it.

If you think too much is made of the Chad issue, then consider not making over 30% of the posts in this thread about Chad.

Chad does have one of the closer relationships with his head coach I have ever seen, kissing close.

You ask people to back up what they say, please provide the link to where the coaches say the Chad is the hardest worker on the team. It would be nice to hear that from someone besides Chad. You don't really think Chad would play for free, do you?

Great post couldnt say it better


if chad was going to play for free he wouldnt of had his Ocho-Physco episode last year

[Bengals in Toronto]

Chad ALWAYS plays hard. And when the actual practices begin then you certainly do not have to worry. This staff has stated on numerous occasions that Chad is one of the absolute hardest workers they have when it comes to practicing.

Bottomline Toronto..........there is just way too much made about the entire Chad situation on these boards. Here is the telling thing........Marvin is absolutely about team. He has stated he wants players that would play the game for free because it is that important to them. He is bringing in players passionate about the game and retaining his guys that are passionate about the game. There is probably no one in this franchise that has a closer relationship with Chad than Marvin. So what does it tell you that he is still here and they want him on this team?


No a better question how do you feel about Terrell Owens
same Attitude different player

[CloeHokie]

No a better question how do you feel about Terrell Owens
same Attitude different player

What? Do yourself a favor. Put down the ESPN mag and TV and do some of your own homework. Comparing Chad to TO is insane. He has been pushed out of every team he has been with. Been on the sideline yelling at every QB he has had. Chad has been on the same team and helped make it better. Now he mouths off for one offseason and he is TO? Ever see Chad doing sit ups in the driveway? He is stupid not insane.

[CloeHokie]

ya that was the problem with cutting thornton right Marvin was in love with him

Thornton's career as a Bengal. But....... He was a Marvin guy right :wacko:

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee155/curlyzoo15/pancakes.jpg

OMG man. I dont know how I missed this one. Now yo compare him to Thornton? Chad has been to the Pro Bowl almost every season and lead the AFC in yards 3 years in a row.

[bigbambeano]

I think he has had a bad rap for that. He wants more money. Thats it. He has given his heart and soul to this team since he was drafted. He is just stupid and went about it in the wrong way.

Are you saying he cant have fun with the camera crew etc? I dont see any issue with having fun as long as you get your job done. When Chad is joking around he is just more happy and a better player. I hope he gets back to that.

no heart and soul after he spent his early money

[PhxBENGALfanatic]

This team just needs to let Chad be Chad. Do not expect him to come in and be a leader because he is not that type of player but he can be the catalyst for the offence. His playmaking ability is electric and I will go as far as calling it contagious.

If Chad is on fire having fun this team will win and the fans will once again love Chad. Sometimes I just think people expect every player to be a saint or a leader. It’s not in everyone to be a leader or saint but 85 still can be the player to spark a fire!

[Bengals in Toronto]

What? Do yourself a favor. Put down the ESPN mag and TV and do some of your own homework. Comparing Chad to TO is insane. He has been pushed out of every team he has been with. Been on the sideline yelling at every QB he has had. Chad has been on the same team and helped make it better. Now he mouths off for one offseason and he is TO? Ever see Chad doing sit ups in the driveway? He is stupid not insane.

Ya and Mike Brown not tradeing him last year was him trying to prove a point and not let Chad get his Owens way like Terrell does. So i think that was Stubborn Mike's call not Chad's

[CloeHokie]

He doesn't always play hard. Not when he sits on the ground after giving up a fumble while the other team runs down the field with it.

If you think too much is made of the Chad issue, then consider not making over 30% of the posts in this thread about Chad.

Chad does have one of the closer relationships with his head coach I have ever seen, kissing close.

You ask people to back up what they say, please provide the link to where the coaches say the Chad is the hardest worker on the team. It would be nice to hear that from someone besides Chad. You don't really think Chad would play for free, do you?

Congrats. You found one play. I can find thousands of him trying hard.

Of course he wouldnt play for free. No one would . Everyone wants money. Why did TJ go to a worse team with an easier schedule? Its all about money.

[Bengals in Toronto]

OMG man. I dont know how I missed this one. Now yo compare him to Thornton? Chad has been to the Pro Bowl almost every season and lead the AFC in yards 3 years in a row.

I was compareing him to being a Marvin guy

[CloeHokie]

I was compareing him to being a Marvin guy

Because Marvin likes him he is Thornton? :wacko:

Chad is a Pro Bowler. Thornton was a captain. They were liked for different reasons

[Bengals in Toronto]

Because Marvin likes him he is Thornton? :wacko:

Chad is a Pro Bowler. Thornton was a captain. They were liked for different reasons

Obviously poor play keeps you on a team right

Marvin is my friend :rolleyes:

[CloeHokie]

Obviously poor play keeps you on a team right

Marvin is my friend :rolleyes:

:what:

[tlotharw]

Congrats. You found one play. I can find thousands of him trying hard.

Of course he wouldnt play for free. No one would . Everyone wants money. Why did TJ go to a worse team with an easier schedule? Its all about money.

Thank you. I was also making a direct response to a poster that stated Chad "ALWAYS" plays hard, so dispelling that assertion only takes one example. I am sure some of the savvy researchers on this board can find more examples.

The poster was also making the point the Chad was strongly supported by Marvin Lewis, who, the poster went on to say, wants players that will play the game for free. Well, if those are the kind of players that Marvin wants you have to count Chad out, immediately. I would have to assume, per the poster's own logic, that Chad is not Marvin's type of player.

This poster has taken the time to parse my posts, so to speak, I thought I would do him a return favor.

[Bengals in Toronto]

Chad didnt show up last year at all he was crying in his own soup and everyone stopped listening

[CloeHokie]

Thank you. I was also making a direct response to a poster that stated Chad "ALWAYS" plays hard, so dispelling that assertion only takes one example. I am sure some of the savvy researchers on this board can find more examples.

The poster was also making the point the Chad was strongly supported by Marvin Lewis, who, the poster went on to say, wants players that will play the game for free. Well, if those are the kind of players that Marvin wants you have to count Chad out, immediately. I would have to assume, per the poster's own logic, that Chad is not Marvin's type of player.

This poster has taken the time to parse my posts, so to speak, I thought I would do him a return favor.

I see. Forgive me for not reading the full situation. My bad

But to go on my own - No one plays hard 100% of the time. But Chad has always been a hard worker on this team. Maybe for his own reasons but he wants to be the best and works hard to do it. As for a Marvin type of guy - I would say he wants guys that love to play football. Chad is one of those people. Play for free? Heck no.


Chad didnt show up last year at all he was crying in his own soup and everyone stopped listening

Chad did show up.

As I have stated, I didnt like the way he went about things last season. He was stupid. But he followed his agents game plan for a new contract and or trade. Not putting this on the devil but he certainly was in Chads ear.

But no one can sit here and tell me that he is not a good WR. I thik some of you need to get over last season and look forward to this year. If he ever pulls anything like that again I will be done with him. But I am all for giving a guy a 2nd chance. Esp one that has done a lot to get us where we are.

[battey60]

I see. Forgive me for not reading the full situation. My bad

But to go on my own - No one plays hard 100% of the time. But Chad has always been a hard worker on this team. Maybe for his own reasons but he wants to be the best and works hard to do it. As for a Marvin type of guy - I would say he wants guys that love to play football. Chad is one of those people. Play for free? Heck no.




Chad did show up.

As I have stated, I didnt like the way he went about things last season. He was stupid. But he followed his agents game plan for a new contract and or trade. Not putting this on the devil but he certainly was in Chads ear.

But no one can sit here and tell me that he is not a good WR. I thik some of you need to get over last season and look forward to this year. If he ever pulls anything like that again I will be done with him. But I am all for giving a guy a 2nd chance. Esp one that has done a lot to get us where we are.


I approve this message :thumbsup: dude you are exactly right. Half of these posters in Jungle Noise forgave Chris Henry after he was arrested for the 20th time. But Chad has a mid career crisis and asks for a trade, and that is never forgotten. Give him a second chance if he hasn't learned his lesson F him.

[THEBURG]

He's always played with heart and passion. The dude played with his shoulder sticking out of its socket last season on a 4-11-1 team!

I don't believe that for one second, evidently you have never seen a dislocated shoulder, if it was out of socket, he would not have been on the field, he might have sprung it, but sticking out of socket, no way.

[OSUfan]

He doesn't always play hard. Not when he sits on the ground after giving up a fumble while the other team runs down the field with it.

If you think too much is made of the Chad issue, then consider not making over 30% of the posts in this thread about Chad.

Chad does have one of the closer relationships with his head coach I have ever seen, kissing close.

You ask people to back up what they say, please provide the link to where the coaches say the Chad is the hardest worker on the team. It would be nice to hear that from someone besides Chad. You don't really think Chad would play for free, do you?

Your link is Bengals.com and if you keep up on the Bengals like you seem to put out that you do then you have read them. It has been stated by Marvin on several different occasions that the problem they have with Chad is getting him to slow down alittle when they would like him to rest. So feel free to look thru the archives and read up. Reading them might also give you alittle more appreciation for one of the best recievers in the game.

Wow nice math work(must be pretty bored). If all the trash talking was not going on then I guess I would not have a reason to reply to them now would I?

The point to the kissing close is what? I mean really do you take everything in life so literal? It was a joke and most who chose to use common sense took it as such. So from a 9 year career him not chasing a fumble is really what you have to bring to the debate?

[Big Bad Who Dey Daddy]

With the Hard Knocks show now going to be taped at TC. Does Chad show up or for once actually risk NOT being on TV and the center of Media attention?

[McC]

With the Hard Knocks show now going to be taped at TC. Does Chad show up or for once actually risk NOT being on TV and the center of Media attention?

Chad will be here when it becomes mandatory in June. He would have been either way.

[The Bengal Thing]

With the Hard Knocks show now going to be taped at TC. Does Chad show up or for once actually risk NOT being on TV and the center of Media attention?

This seems to be the question of the day.... at least in all the other Hard Knocks related threads.

I think he shows up

[Bengals in Toronto]

He quit on the Bengals last year is my point

[battey60]

He quit on the Bengals last year is my point



Who didn't quit on the Bengals last year? Benson and Crocker who were desperate for roster spots and big contracts didn't, but they had something to prove.

[tlotharw]

Your link is Bengals.com and if you keep up on the Bengals like you seem to put out that you do then you have read them. It has been stated by Marvin on several different occasions that the problem they have with Chad is getting him to slow down alittle when they would like him to rest. So feel free to look thru the archives and read up. Reading them might also give you alittle more appreciation for one of the best recievers in the game.

Wow nice math work(must be pretty bored). If all the trash talking was not going on then I guess I would not have a reason to reply to them now would I?

The point to the kissing close is what? I mean really do you take everything in life so literal? It was a joke and most who chose to use common sense took it as such. So from a 9 year career him not chasing a fumble is really what you have to bring to the debate?

Since you have not provided a link to a quote by a Bengal coach saying that Chad is a hard worker, hardest worker, or something of that sort your statement has to be disregarded as you sighting nothing more than what you believe to be conventional wisdom.

Again, you are making a number of assertions in your first paragraph, please provide one shred of evidence that supports them.

From your post above: "The point to the kissing close is what?" is an incomprehensible question. Besides, kissing your head coach is kissing your head coach, If it is a joke, then I don't get it and I don't want to get it.

[Bengals in Toronto]

Who didn't quit on the Bengals last year? Benson and Crocker who were desperate for roster spots and big contracts didn't, but they had something to prove.

he quit before the season started

[tlotharw]

I see. Forgive me for not reading the full situation. My bad

But to go on my own - No one plays hard 100% of the time. But Chad has always been a hard worker on this team. Maybe for his own reasons but he wants to be the best and works hard to do it. As for a Marvin type of guy - I would say he wants guys that love to play football. Chad is one of those people. Play for free? Heck no.

I agree that Chad is a generally a hard worker, but I think his ability to focus on himself at the expense of the team is what can override his postivie qualities. The Patriots home game is an example for me - Chad spending nearly every break in the action while we were on offense in the first half of that game talking to Patriot players, coaches, or anybody who was associated with the Patriots. This, to me, is an example of a player not playing hard. Maybe, if Chad would have stayed with the offense and been talking to Carson and other receivers about what has happening defensively, the critical interception right before half time would not have happened.

Chad loves to play football, you better love it based some the the brutal hits he has taken, but he also loves the attention it brings. In my opinion, this attention has obscured the notion that you need to be a teammate first. Especially in the NFL, the most vicious game on earth, where winning and losing is sometimes determined by one or two plays. You cannot be distracted and everybody has to be focused on the prize, not on the camera.

[battey60]

he quit before the season started


No this FO quit on him when his career started. Don't blame him for having enough. Seems to happen alot with our star players. Surprised Carson hasn't had enough. We will see when his contract is up.

[bfine32]

With the Hard Knocks show now going to be taped at TC. Does Chad show up or for once actually risk NOT being on TV and the center of Media attention?


I think the Hard Knocks thing have given Chad haters a new life. They will say Chad showed up, in shape, and ready to perform because of Hard Knocks. Is there any Chad hater out there that thinks HK would be here without Chad on the roster?

[Bengals in Toronto]

No this FO quit on him when his career started. Don't blame him for having enough. Seems to happen alot with our star players. Surprised Carson hasn't had enough. We will see when his contract is up.

I do agree but....... His self distructing offseason last year played a big part on his production on the field. Everyone was made at him Front Office, Marvin, team mates, and FANS, he was distracted as much as he was the distraction with his sucky cry baby antics.

[ericbo]

I think the Hard Knocks thing have given Chad haters a new life. They will say Chad showed up, in shape, and ready to perform because of Hard Knocks. Is there any Chad hater out there that thinks HK would be here without Chad on the roster?

nope they wouldn't have shown up here without chad on the roster. also last year everyone had a right to bi*** about chad. this year he hasn't done anything. i for one am gonna wait and see because i think he will be there next month. and i like what he is doing now. that phenom factory has helped a lot of recievers. and i think june, july, and august is plenty of time with the team to get ready for the season. it's not like he's laying around doing nothing or out running his mouth to the media.

[Bengaline]

nope they wouldn't have shown up here without chad on the roster. also last year everyone had a right to bi*** about chad. this year he hasn't done anything. i for one am gonna wait and see because i think he will be there next month. and i like what he is doing now. that phenom factory has helped a lot of recievers. and i think june, july, and august is plenty of time with the team to get ready for the season. it's not like he's laying around doing nothing or out running his mouth to the media.

Agree. i think Chad will show up and have a great year.

And he will be the center of attention in HK along with CP, coaching staff and the rookies.

[Carl Spackler]

No question, he can't resist the media spotlight.

[CINwillWIN]

Agree. i think Chad will show up and have a great year.

And he will be the center of attention in HK along with CP, coaching staff and the rookies.

Obviously Chad shows up...at least last season he was racing a horse for media sakes....

[kday777]

HBO is probably begging him to come. Without him, there is no reason to film the Bengals.

[Who_dey_hooligan]

Gotta have drama... gotta have a story to write about.... gotta have ochocinco:rolleyes:

[CaptJackSparrow]

I guess I'm in the minority here but I could really care less that Hard Knocks is covering us this year. It won't help us win a single game.

Its a PR thing plain and simple, some fans are excited about it, some like me are more or less meh about the whole thing.

All I want is to see us back in the playoffs and kicking the Squeelers behinds up and down PBS. :rock on:

The Capt.

[kday777]

Ya and Mike Brown not tradeing him last year was him trying to prove a point and not let Chad get his Owens way like Terrell does. So i think that was Stubborn Mike's call not Chad's

I went to school with some Tod's, are you the younger brother Re? Sound like it. :what:

[Joe from Florence]

With the Hard Knocks show now going to be taped at TC. Does Chad show up or for once actually risk NOT being on TV and the center of Media attention?
he was going to show up anyway....why would hard knocks be the reason he shows?

I think you mistake OTA's for training camp

Chad wasn't sitting out training camp

[Magikod]

With the Hard Knocks show now going to be taped at TC. Does Chad show up or for once actually risk NOT being on TV and the center of Media attention?


I think he will, I think having Hard Knocks there will make the Bengal's players get more motivated, especially Chad.

[Joe from Florence]

Chad was showing up whether Hard Knocks was happening or not....

But I'm sure all the Chad haters out there will say that HK is the only reason he showed up.
my point exactly

Chad has always shown up, i'm not sure half the people realize that. He was always going to show up.

[Magikod]

my point exactly

Chad has always shown up, i'm not sure half the people realize that. He was always going to show up.


But there's a big difference between Chad just showing up and Chad actually showing up and wanting to win.

[Joe from Florence]

But there's a big difference between Chad just showing up and Chad actually showing up and wanting to win.
Chad will still be Chad...he'll say all the right things to the camera, but Chad is only out for one thing and that is Chad

[Magikod]

Chad will still be Chad...he'll say all the right things to the camera, but Chad is only out for one thing and that is Chad


Well if Chad was smart the best thing for him is to have an amazing season and do as good as possible.

[djam]

Well if Chad was smart the best thing for him is to have an amazing season and do as good as possible.

....and help us win a SB.

But yeah Chad has said all offseason that he will be in camp. OTA's? Have no idea. I'd be more happy about him if he did show up to OTA's.

[OSUfan]

With the Hard Knocks show now going to be taped at TC. Does Chad show up or for once actually risk NOT being on TV and the center of Media attention?

Not sure what you are trying to get at here. Could you please cite a single training camp that Chad has not been in attendance for? Let me save you some time.....He has NEVER not shown up and or shown up on time for training camp.

[OSUfan]

But there's a big difference between Chad just showing up and Chad actually showing up and wanting to win.

Chad always wants to win......that was part of his beef during the infamous offseason of 08. The failure of this team to win.

[freeperjim]

Here again......could you please provide the link where it is defined that he "attacked" a coach. This tired old piece of media hype is stated over and over yet whenever I ask for a link that can actually verify what occurred I never seem to recieve it.

By the way I am curious as to which required TEAM practices he has not attended? Can we say media hype.....to my knowledge he has one problem with a team meeting and it was dealt with. Not an issue prior to that and not since. What else you got.

Ahhh, another o-stinko apologist that ignores reality.

It's been well documented o-stinko's attack which he later held a presser to apologize for his behaviour.

Yep, you're right that o-stinko has not missed any mandatory practices but has skipped ALL optional TEAM practices & workouts that other TEAM players have attended. If o-stinko was a TEAM player, he would have attended to work on timing with Carson and begin learning the new playbook as the other TEAM receivers have been doing.

o-stinko is just another hyped-up version of TO who is focused on himself and the M-O-N-E-Y. o-stinko has proven time and again over the last 3-4 years he is NOT a TEAM player. He's just a selfish, wimpy, cry-baby diva.

[tlotharw]

Not sure what you are trying to get at here. Could you please cite a single training camp that Chad has not been in attendance for? Let me save you some time.....He has NEVER not shown up and or shown up on time for training camp.

How about last year? He gets surgery on his ankle the day before training camp and was not in attendance for most all of it. Attending training camp is participating in training camp, not hanging around it.

[OSUfan]

How about last year? He gets surgery on his ankle the day before training camp and was not in attendance for most all of it. Attending training camp is participating in training camp, not hanging around it.

Here you go again citing a single camp out of 9 seasons to define a career. I hope that is not the best you can do.

10 years ago I bought 4 Goodyear tires and one of them over the 10 years went flat so I will never by Goodyear again because they are terrible......makes sense doesn't it.

[tlotharw]

Here you go again citing a single camp out of 9 seasons to define a career. I hope that is not the best you can do.

10 years ago I bought 4 Goodyear tires and one of them over the 10 years went flat so I will never by Goodyear again because they are terrible......makes sense doesn't it.

No, some analogy about car tires makes little sense here, especially if you think you should be getting 120,000 miles out of them. But this is what you are hoping for with Chad.

You were emphatic that he, and I quote, "NEVER" missed training camp, and, for someone who apparently has memorized everything written on Bengals.com while not being able to produce any evidence of your profound knowledge, I am surprised that you can't remember last year when he missed almost all of it.

Chad is committed to being away from the team for the start of what appears to be a transitional year on offense with two second year receivers, and new veteran free agent receiver, a starting running back in his first full-year here, the possibility of a rookie tight end getting a lot of playing time, and an offensive line that could be made up of two rookies and one second-year player. Chad, in his eternal wisdom and selfless commitment to the team, is going to miss this building block period.

Carson is welcoming working with other receivers to replace him. He specifically pointed to Chris Henry's hard work and commitment to settle in at Chad's old position. This article, you may recall was on Bengals.com.

http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/palmer-sees-old-hand-in-new-spot/84311a17-d382-4497-8a51-08c4ffd1eade

[Joe from Florence]

How about last year? He gets surgery on his ankle the day before training camp and was not in attendance for most all of it. Attending training camp is participating in training camp, not hanging around it.he didn't hold out...he had surgery....huge difference

seriously, we are still waiting for you to show us any time Chad held out of training camp

[Bengals in Toronto]

Here you go again citing a single camp out of 9 seasons to define a career. I hope that is not the best you can do.

10 years ago I bought 4 Goodyear tires and one of them over the 10 years went flat so I will never by Goodyear again because they are terrible......makes sense doesn't it.

but it was a big off-season and he showed that he is a cry baby and all he care about his wallet. he already signed the contract now live up to it like a man and not a boy in a dress

[CloeHokie]

Ahhh, another o-stinko apologist that ignores reality.

It's been well documented o-stinko's attack which he later held a presser to apologize for his behaviour.

Yep, you're right that o-stinko has not missed any mandatory practices but has skipped ALL optional TEAM practices & workouts that other TEAM players have attended. If o-stinko was a TEAM player, he would have attended to work on timing with Carson and begin learning the new playbook as the other TEAM receivers have been doing.

o-stinko is just another hyped-up version of TO who is focused on himself and the M-O-N-E-Y. o-stinko has proven time and again over the last 3-4 years he is NOT a TEAM player. He's just a selfish, wimpy, cry-baby diva.

What? Please give me a link to this presser. That whole fight has been blown up and lied about on all sides. Chad never punched anyone. Did he get angry and yell? Most likely.

Besides last season when did he skip all those things? Its very common for players that are older to skip these and choose to work out on their own. He was there when camp started and he will be there again.

Again. He is in NO WAY T.O.

How has he proven that over the last 3-4 years? Going to the Pro Bowl 3 times? Please. Chad has been here through the worst and stuck by us. I am willing to let last seasons mistake slide provided he comes ready to work.

[CloeHokie]

but it was a big off-season and he showed that he is a cry baby and all he care about his wallet. he already signed the contract now live up to it like a man and not a boy in a dress

He said he was sorry and learned his lesson. Then came and played hurt most of the year. What do you want from the guy? Somehow make our awful offense better all by himself?

[OSUfan]

No, some analogy about car tires makes little sense here, especially if you think you should be getting 120,000 miles out of them. But this is what you are hoping for with Chad.

You were emphatic that he, and I quote, "NEVER" missed training camp, and, for someone who apparently has memorized everything written on Bengals.com while not being able to produce any evidence of your profound knowledge, I am surprised that you can't remember last year when he missed almost all of it.

Chad is committed to being away from the team for the start of what appears to be a transitional year on offense with two second year receivers, and new veteran free agent receiver, a starting running back in his first full-year here, the possibility of a rookie tight end getting a lot of playing time, and an offensive line that could be made up of two rookies and one second-year player. Chad, in his eternal wisdom and selfless commitment to the team, is going to miss this building block period.

Carson is welcoming working with other receivers to replace him. He specifically pointed to Chris Henry's hard work and commitment to settle in at Chad's old position. This article, you may recall was on Bengals.com.

http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/palmer-sees-old-hand-in-new-spot/84311a17-d382-4497-8a51-08c4ffd1eade

So it actually works out for the team because now other recievers, that many gripe about not getting snaps and time, are now going to get the opportunity to take so snaps and learn other WR positions and make themselves more valuable to this team. Chris Henry is going to get the extra work he needs along with Jerome Simpson. Works out nicely.

Seems I am not the only one here that would like you to produce something plausible in regard to your argument.

[who dey 9]

Chad can still be a great WR if he WANTS to but he lost my respect last off season with his tirade.I refuse to defend him any longer. The Bengals expected him to have the ankle surgery in the offseason so he could be ready in TC but he was too busy throwing a tantram . I have no doubt he wait to the last minute to have it done to try to send a message to MB that he was here because he had to be but will not play.
There is absolutely no doubt his timing with the QB was off & also his focus wasn't there. I recall TJ showing CJ how to catch the ball with his hands on the sideline after he dropped a routine catch. I also recall Lap & even Carson getting on him about being in the wrong spots in his route. How about CJ catching balls from the other team QB, or hanging out with the opposing team before the games? are you kiddin me what kind of message does that send to your teammates & fans! There was no question that CJ had some kind of blow up @ half time in the playoffs the only dispute is whether he actually hit/ put a headlock on a coach but there is NO QUESTION whatever he did had a dramatic effect on the whole team in the second half.
I believe COC will be here for TC, I'm a little concerned this year missing OTA especially since their said to be installing new plays, will work hard & have a good season this year simply because he has to if he still wants to get traded or get that last big contract. Lets face it he's not getting any younger & MB ( rightly so ) has showed he is not going to trade him for peanuts. He probably would be gone or got a new contract last year had CJ had a good season. CJ made his bed now he has to lay in it!

[OSUfan]

Ahhh, another o-stinko apologist that ignores reality.

It's been well documented o-stinko's attack which he later held a presser to apologize for his behaviour.

Yep, you're right that o-stinko has not missed any mandatory practices but has skipped ALL optional TEAM practices & workouts that other TEAM players have attended. If o-stinko was a TEAM player, he would have attended to work on timing with Carson and begin learning the new playbook as the other TEAM receivers have been doing.

o-stinko is just another hyped-up version of TO who is focused on himself and the M-O-N-E-Y. o-stinko has proven time and again over the last 3-4 years he is NOT a TEAM player. He's just a selfish, wimpy, cry-baby diva.

Think you are sorely wrong.........I apologize for nothing. I myself have stated that I did not agree with his offseason actions of 08. Hell, he stated he was wrong in regard to it and the bottomline is that the offseason of 08 is what the entire debate stems from.

None of the other points you try to make were even topic of discussion until the 08 offseason. He apologized. He is not at a VOLUNTARY camp. If it is a camp that is of such importance then it should not fall under the title of voluntary. If anyone has a gripe with it then they should direct it to the NFL who set the criteria on voluntary and mandatory team sessions. Or for that matter to the Bengals, if they are going to use a voluntary camp to try and install new offensive strategies.

If the actual accounting of the "attack" was so well documented then producing the accurate link is not an issue, correct?

[tenacious-B]

Chad's a great guy, and I think it'll be fun to watch him and the other guys on Hard Knocks. Chad loves to show off so he's gonna bring it come training camp. I can't wait.

[tlotharw]

he didn't hold out...he had surgery....huge difference

seriously, we are still waiting for you to show us any time Chad held out of training camp

So it actually works out for the team because now other recievers, that many gripe about not getting snaps and time, are now going to get the opportunity to take so snaps and learn other WR positions and make themselves more valuable to this team. Chris Henry is going to get the extra work he needs along with Jerome Simpson. Works out nicely.

Seems I am not the only one here that would like you to produce something plausible in regard to your argument.

Not being in training camp is not being in training camp. This is the first time I have encountered the phrase "held out" in my discussion. It was stated by OSU Fanny that he "NEVER" missed training camp and he missed most all of it last year. That is more than a plausible answer, it is a direct and unassailable refutation of what he stated.

In that regard, OSU Fanny is wrong. Chad has missed training camp practices, and in 2008 he missed most all of them. It cannot be stated that Chad NEVER missed training camp.

Furthermore, OSU Fanny has stated that Bengal coaches describe Chad as the hardest worker on the team. I have asked him twice for evidence of any coach saying that and he has been unable to produce anything at all. Maybe someone can help him out with this. Apparently this is stated all the time, so I would assume it would be easy to find and link.

So, Joe, while he didn't hold out per se, and that is not what I was responding to; nor was I in any way stating that he did, waiting until the day before training camp to have his ankle surgery can be recognized for what it was, the reason that he did not fully participate in the 2008 training camp.

[OSUfan]

Not being in training camp is not being in training camp. This is the first time I have encountered the phrase "held out" in my discussion. It was stated by OSU Fanny that he "NEVER" missed training camp and he missed most all of it last year. That is more than a plausible answer, it is a direct and unassailable refutation of what he stated.

In that regard, OSU Fanny is wrong. Chad has missed training camp practices, and in 2008 he missed most all of them. It cannot be stated that Chad NEVER missed training camp.

Furthermore, OSU Fanny has stated that Bengal coaches describe Chad as the hardest worker on the team. I have asked him twice for evidence of any coach saying that and he has been unable to produce anything at all. Maybe someone can help him out with this. Apparently this is stated all the time, so I would assume it would be easy to find and link.

So, Joe, while he didn't hold out per se, and that is not what I was responding to; nor was I in any way stating that he did, waiting until the day before training camp to have his ankle surgery can be recognized for what it was, the reason that he did not fully participate in the 2008 training camp.

So now you turn to the juvenile little names. Pretty typical. I told you exactly where to find the statements from the coaching staff. They are in the Bengals.com archives. I will not go back and look thru them for you however, because I read them at the time they were posted. If you chose not to then I can not help you any further.

[mrcommish<2009>]

oh yea , trust me ! Chad will be all over hard knocks . he's not gonna let the cameras be on anyone but him . this is right up Chad's alley .... me me me me .....

[CaptainCanada]

So now you turn to the juvenile little names. Pretty typical. I told you exactly where to find the statements from the coaching staff. They are in the Bengals.com archives. I will not go back and look thru them for you however, because I read them at the time they were posted. If you chose not to then I can not help you any further.

You won't look back and find them because they aren't there. You don't state your opinion, get challenged for actual documented fact and say "I won't get you the facts to prove my statement" You are now coming off as a liar.

I love Chad, when healthy and focused he is hands down a top 10 receiver in the National Football League. Him missing OTA's are no big deal for me because they are OPTIONAL. Now, if Chad were to come to training camp out of shape then I would have a problem, but from what we've been told, Chad is hard at work in LA and is motivated and ready to win some games this year.

Now, if you or anyone can provide documented quotes from coaches calling Chad the hardest working player on the team I will apologize for calling you a liar.

[Joe from Florence]

Not being in training camp is not being in training camp. This is the first time I have encountered the phrase "held out" in my discussion. It was stated by OSU Fanny that he "NEVER" missed training camp and he missed most all of it last year. That is more than a plausible answer, it is a direct and unassailable refutation of what he stated.

In that regard, OSU Fanny is wrong. Chad has missed training camp practices, and in 2008 he missed most all of them. It cannot be stated that Chad NEVER missed training camp.

Furthermore, OSU Fanny has stated that Bengal coaches describe Chad as the hardest worker on the team. I have asked him twice for evidence of any coach saying that and he has been unable to produce anything at all. Maybe someone can help him out with this. Apparently this is stated all the time, so I would assume it would be easy to find and link.

So, Joe, while he didn't hold out per se, and that is not what I was responding to; nor was I in any way stating that he did, waiting until the day before training camp to have his ankle surgery can be recognized for what it was, the reason that he did not fully participate in the 2008 training camp.you were referring to one thing...Chad not showing up to Training camp because he was not happy.....the inference you made is that he has held out in the past, we were simply correcting you. The first post in this thread also made that reference, which we simply corrected.

Not showing up to OTA's when your healthy but trying to send a message of discontent is one thing he has done the last 2 years. Not showing up to TC because he just had surgery and couldn't work out until he was done rehabing is a totally different thing.

so once again, the first post is very misleading and for you to say if someone is in a hospital bed for anything and holding out is the same thing is totally misleading.

Hope that helps

Chad has never "Held out of Training Camp" so to think him showing up this year is only because of Hard Knocks crew filming there is just wrong. If Hard Knocks wasn't going to be there he would still report on time....that is a fact. He's done it every year he's been here and was healthy enough to participate. to think otherwise is just silly.

[p_dub17]

I am a not really a Chad "hater", but I don't really like him any more either. I do think he is a funny guy, and he was tearing it up when he was doing his TD dances and talking to the cameras. Maybe this will help...or at least get him to camp.

[-CR-]

I think Chad will surprise us... in a good way.

Perception isn't always reality.

[Joe from Florence]

I am a not really a Chad "hater", but I don't really like him any more either. I do think he is a funny guy, and he was tearing it up when he was doing his TD dances and talking to the cameras. Maybe this will help...or at least get him to camp.
i'm the same way

i look at him as more of a distraction anymore than anything good.

[CincySin21]

How many times do i have to tell you babbling fools?


No one knows chad. Except chad, and the people around him everyday. Stop reading espn.com,the paper, and prosportstalk. Thats all distorted garbage.

[Bengals in Toronto]

you forgot to stomp your feet and slam a door

[CaptainCanada]

How many times do i have to tell you babbling fools?

:huh:

[The Bengal Thing]

How many times do i have to tell you babbling fools?


No one knows chad. Except chad, and the people around him everyday. Stop reading espn.com,the paper, and prosportstalk. Thats all distorted garbage.

This is the first I am hearing it?

Who should we listen too? Should we listen to you... maybe you are lying to us as well and the people you mentioned REALLY ARE TELLING THE TRUTH!!!!

This is getting too weird. Where is the aluminum foil!!!????

[CloeHokie]

This is the first I am hearing it?

Who should we listen too? Should we listen to you... maybe you are lying to us as well and the people you mentioned REALLY ARE TELLING THE TRUTH!!!!

This is getting too weird. Where is the aluminum foil!!!????

Hahaha. I have plenty for both of us. Run for it!

[WHO_DEY_51]

Just wondering if you Chad haters actually use your own brain cells or do you just borrow all 3 of Skip Bayless's?

If anything Chad is the most camera savvy player on this team with multiple entertainment appearances to include television sitcom!! Do you think his professionalism regarding this matter is not held in high regard by him, his agent, and publicist? Do you really think he does not know this season is going to determine how big his one last contract is gonna be?

And last of all is Chad boring? NO!!! Will Chad pull some antics? YES!!! Thats what the show is all about letting people inside to see the player personas and the what NFL training camp is all about!!!

If they wanted boring it would be on the Lifetime Channel and they would call it Powder Puff League Profiles!!!!!!!!

That brings up another good point.

Don't people think Mike and Marvin already thought about how this would affect the whole team. Yes, even Chad. If they thought it would bring out Chad's negative attitude they would not have it because it would embarrass the organization. I am willing to bet they asked Chad would his thoughts were about Hard Knocks. Hell they probably asked the whole team. If the whole team didn't want to do it, I don't think Lewis would do it.

[tlotharw]

How many times do i have to tell you babbling fools?


No one knows chad. Except chad, and the people around him everyday. Stop reading espn.com,the paper, and prosportstalk. Thats all distorted garbage.

You have to tell me more than the 57 times you have posted here.

[WHO_DEY_51]

He doesn't always play hard. Not when he sits on the ground after giving up a fumble while the other team runs down the field with it.

If you think too much is made of the Chad issue, then consider not making over 30% of the posts in this thread about Chad.

Chad does have one of the closer relationships with his head coach I have ever seen, kissing close.

You ask people to back up what they say, please provide the link to where the coaches say the Chad is the hardest worker on the team. It would be nice to hear that from someone besides Chad. You don't really think Chad would play for free, do you?

Ofcourse not, it stupid to think he would and its stupid of you to think that is what the original poster said.

He meant, Lewis wants guys who love playing football. Nobody is going to play football for free, Pro-players wise even high school player who see believe they are good. They are looking for a best college to go to. How many college football players went to the same college football team they grew up liking? Everybody knows this. Even you and the original poster. Chad loves playing football and he would take less money to play for a winning team than to play for a losing team. Those are the guys who love football, not money.

[freeperjim]

Even Carson is becomoing more vocal about o-stinko's cancer in the locker room and on the TEAM. His first comment in the Yahoo article addresses the TEAM chemistry - so critical for a winning TEAM:

"We’ve got a great thing going this offseason. We’ve got such a good locker room..."



Later, Carson states others who are TEAM oriented are ready to replace o-stinko as well as Carson's absolute and now his open disdain for o-stinko":

"Solicit his opinion about Ochocinco, the tempestuous wideout formerly known as Johnson who has stayed away from the team’s voluntary offseason workouts for the second consecutive year, and the quarterback not known as Nueve can barely conceal his disdain. “To be honest with you, I have no clue what’s going on with Chad,” Palmer says.


The sooner o-stinko and his cancer is gone, the sooner the Bengals will move to become a winning TEAM.

[BengalTrucker]

Congrats. You found one play. I can find thousands of him trying hard.

Of course he wouldnt play for free. No one would . Everyone wants money. Why did TJ go to a worse team with an easier schedule? Its all about money.

Cloe, you say it is one play.

You are defined by what you do on every play, not just the ones that make you look good.

How many times have other teams said they can tell when Chad is getting the ball, because that is the only times he tightens his gloves up?
How many times have other teams said they know when it is a running play, because Chad holds his hands at his side and is not ready to block?
How many times have announcers said Chad was not blocking down field, or our coaches and players said they wished our WR blocked down field?

Chad is a prima donna WR who only cares about himself and the money. We should have traded him and that is the second stupidest thing MB has done, and only the not taking of N.O. entire draft plus next years #1 and drafting Smith is worse. IMHO

[tlotharw]

So now you turn to the juvenile little names. Pretty typical. I told you exactly where to find the statements from the coaching staff. They are in the Bengals.com archives. I will not go back and look thru them for you however, because I read them at the time they were posted. If you chose not to then I can not help you any further.

I have looked, no coach has ever said that Chad is the hardest worker on the team as you have claimed. I have asked you to substantiate that at least three times and you haven't been able to.

I would be happy to be proven wrong here. It is of little consequence to me. For the record, you have consistently asked people, including me, to back up what they say with links under both your current and previous moniker. A reasonable request. I am simply asking you to do what you demand of others.

Actually, this is the first time I have resorted to juvenile little names, and I do regret it.

And, thank you, I accept your capitulation.