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ThroughThickAndThin
10-10-2007, 02:59 AM
As per this article: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7315638?MSNHPHMA

Which team will be worst of the worst?
Alex Marvez
FOXSports.com, Updated 11 hours ago

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. - Embarrassing. Frustrating. Painful.

The words flowed from Buffalo's locker room following Monday night's 25-24 home loss to Dallas. And the negativity didn't end there after the Cowboys overcame six turnovers for a last-second win.

"It's indescribable," Bills defensive tackle Kyle Williams said. "Unless you've played this game and had something taken away from you like that, you can't put it into words."

Fair enough. But here are some words of encouragement: Your team doesn't stink (even though a bunch of coaching decisions against Dallas did).

Two weeks ago, I was convinced Buffalo (1-4) would land the 2008 draft's top pick. Injuries had decimated Buffalo's defense and sidelined quarterback J.P. Losman, making rookie Trent Edwards a starter. Buffalo also was outscored 64-10 by Pittsburgh and New England after a heartbreaking loss to Denver.

But the Bills then defeated the New York Jets and almost upset the Cowboys. Edwards and rookie running back Marshawn Lynch show promise. A mending defense is playing better. Special teams remain strong despite not recovering the onside kick that led to Dallas' victory.

So I'm no longer sold Buffalo will finish as the NFL's worst team. Nor has a new frontrunner emerged quite yet.

Here are my five favorites for that ignominy and how those clubs could potentially use an early pick in April's draft:

1. Miami (0-5): Defense was supposed to carry the Dolphins while the offense mastered new coach Cam Cameron's system. Instead, a front seven lacking depth got old overnight and the secondary has no impact players.

The Dolphins need another speed pass-rusher with Jason Taylor and Joey Porter fading, but finding impact interior linemen is a bigger priority. Louisiana State defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey is arguably the draft's top senior prospect. Dorsey could quickly become a standout rookie contributor like Houston defensive tackle Amobi Okoye, who Miami bypassed in April's draft for struggling wide receiver/returner Ted Ginn Jr.

2. Atlanta (1-4): Offense is proving Atlanta's weakness. Even when the quarterback play is decent, Atlanta's once-vaunted rushing attack ranks 21st in the NFL.

The Falcons needed a new left tackle even before Wayne Gandy's season-ending knee injury last Sunday. Michigan's Jake Long would fit the bill, but how could Atlanta pass on quarterback Brian Brohm? Bobby Petrino coached him at Louisville and Brohm has the tools to successfully run his offense in the NFL.

One wild-card: Bruising Arkansas running back Darren McFadden if he turns pro early. He makes sense if the Falcons want to create a platoon with Jerious Norwood and cut ties with Warrick Dunn, who turns 33 in January.

3. St. Louis (0-5): While the defense is again proving a liability, St. Louis must bolster its offensive line to keep quarterback Marc Bulger healthy. Orlando Pace was one of the NFL's best left tackles but has now missed almost two seasons because of arm injuries. Long can become the cornerstone blocker the 32-year-old Pace once was. The Rams also could use a hard-hitting safety but there are no LaRon Landry types projected as top-five picks.

4. New York Jets (1-4): As recently noted by FOXSports.com columnist/curmudgeon Mark Kriegel, Tim Wakefield throws harder than Chad Pennington. With the season slipping away, New York should soon try learning whether Kellen Clemens or Brad Smith can be a long-term starter. If they flop, prospects like Brohm, Kentucky's Andre Woodson and Boston College's Matt Ryan will get a long look.

Jets coach Eric Mangini also must find the right personnel if he wants to stick with a 3-4 defense. Virginia's Chris Long (Howie's kid) would be an intriguing replacement for end Shaun Ellis, who has one two-sack game since Dec. 2004. Ellis is better suited as an end in a 4-3.

5. Cincinnati (1-3): The Bengals get the nod over Minnesota (1-3) for the final spot. The Vikings can better defend the run, possess a quality ground attack and don't have the same kind of internal strife. With Chad Johnson's on-going antics and without sound veteran leadership, Bengals coach Marvin Lewis seems on the verge of losing his team.

Cincinnati must find more quality front-seven defenders, especially if end Justin Smith leaves via free agency. That hole could be filled by Auburn's Quentin Groves or Calais Campbell, should he leave Miami as a junior. Linebacker is an obvious need and Penn State's Dan Connor would become an immediate starter. But the Bengals also should take a long look at Southern California's Sedrick Ellis. He's a high-energy defensive tackle who would make a nice tandem with the emerging Domata Peko.

Bengals Mike
10-10-2007, 03:59 AM
Well there's another writer judging the team based on one bad game and is not aware of the remaining schedule and there's worse teams than the Bengals right now, if the Bengals lose either of the next 2 then I'd definitely say 8-8 at best for them and as for the losses? yes Cleveland was supposed to be bad but they could easily be 3-2 right now seeing how they've played just like how the Bengals could be 3-1 for how they've played, now if Cleveland beat the Bengals and were flat out terrible and lost their 4 other games like that then the Bengals would look even worse for losing to them, anyway I agree with his first 4 picks there but I can name teams worse off than the Bengals to end up with the 5th pick

- New Orleans - already 0-4 and have a 1st place schedule thanks to last year with games @ Seattle @ Tampa Bay vs Philadelphia vs Arizona @ Chicago @ Carolina and vs Jacksonville left, sure people can say the rest are winnable but not as long as Drew Brees keep up his pace of 4 Touchdowns and 36 Interceptions for the year (the Bengals aren't the only team you can use the results of 4 games to forecast a season as many have done here) plus that defense didn't do them any favors the first 3 weeks, yet this is a team when 0-3 the experts said they had a great shot at making the playoffs?? a great shot at the top 5 of the draft is more like it

- Minnesota - yea they can do everything with the run on both sides of the ball but they can't do anything with the pass on both sides of the ball and they're in last place ias the weakest team in the weakest division in football, the Bengals play in one of the toughest division and had one of the toughest schedules to start with, yet the Bengals are top 5 pick material?? the Vikes had 1 win in the easy part of their schedule and are about to spend the next 4 weeks playing last seasons playoff teams (@ Chicago @ Dallas vs Philadelphia vs San Diego)

- Buffalo - yes they played the game of their lives on Monday only to blow the lead and lose but everybody said this team would be lucky to get more than 1 win in their first 8 games and it's thanks in part to having the toughest schedule in the league for the season, Edwards threw the ball well Monday but he hasn't been throwing to Lee Evans and he doesn't have anyone beyond Evans which will probably hurt the offense all year

- Kansas City - Obviously that win in San Diego wasn't very convincing seeing how both teams had exact opposite results the following week and with Huard hurt the Chiefs are turning to Brodie Croyle who was handed the job before preseason but played so bad, he lost the job giving it back to Huard by default, now Huard is hurt and Larry Johnson has had 55 yards or less in 4 of his 5 games thanks to a horrible offensive line and the season is about to get longer for the Chiefs as things aren't getting any better for them (and I'm not talking about this Sunday)

- Denver - some people will say considering Denver here is ridiculous but it's about every bit as ridiculous as considering Cincinnati for this spot but again (the Bengals aren't the only team you can use the results of 4 games to forecast a season as many have done here - 5 in Denver's case) but their results are bottom 5 material so far - a 1 point win in Buffalo, 3 point OT win vs Oakland, a self destructive loss to Jacksonville, a hot start and cold finish losing to Indy and the blowout loss to San Diego, add the league's worst rush defense (187 rushing allowed per game) and after their bye week they have games vs Pittsburgh, vs Green Bay and @ Detroit, Denver belongs in this discussion too

as for the Bengals?? all we see is chad and carson talking loudly on monday night and that's reason to end up the botton 5 in the NFL?? same thing happened when the Bengals lost a Sunday Nighter in Jacksonville in 2005 and things seemed to work out just fine after that, but this quarter of the sked (@ KC vs NYJ vs Pit @ Buf) is very favorable, the 3rd quarter of the sked will be tricky but Chris Henry is back for this part which makes an already good offense even better (@ Bal, vs Ari, vs Ten @ Pit) and if the Bengals do well with that 3rd quarter than they should just roll thru the last quarter of the sked (vs StL @ SF vs Cle @ Mia)

I've heard that Calais Campbell is a monster of a defensive lineman at 6'8 tall and would be great to have

ThroughThickAndThin
10-10-2007, 06:32 AM
Swap out Denver with the Rams and that's what I've got. I just don't think the rams can pull out of their slump unless they get...well I don't even know what they need to do. But you get the point.

freeperjim
10-10-2007, 06:41 AM
Unfortunately, I agree with the top-5 draft position.

The bengals are hurting physically and it will continue worsen. The defense will continue give up big plays to 2nd and 3rd tier teams.

The chad "me-first" behaviour will continue to tear the team apart as more players and press will comment on the poor locker room chemistry. It only takes one bad apple as chad is proving. One report indicates players have stopped practicing with any urgency and just strolling back to huddle after plays imploring Marvin to urge them to work harder.

I hope Marvin begins to right the ship asap with a better DC who attacks, not reacts, drafts players who will actually make a difference and most importantly, addresses the cancer in the locker room - either stop the coddling or trade chad.

DennyG2
10-10-2007, 06:49 AM
it amazes me how much these so called experts really don't know, for example on the peter king challenge picking games every week i have beat him every week and he is the expert. go figure!!

Orange&Black
10-10-2007, 06:52 AM
Just another journalist writing his opinion.

x_Bengals_x
10-10-2007, 08:33 AM
That is crazy! I hope our guys see this and prove him wrong with a 32nd pick.

suter51
10-10-2007, 09:12 AM
I just read this article and I would laugh if it didn't make me so mad. As bad as we have been, at this point in the season we are better than Buffalo, Cleveland (Despite the loss), KC (to be proven on Sunday), Philly, Minnesota, and San Francisco. Don't get me wrong, the Bengals have not earned any respect with their play on the field. Still, they are the Rodney Dangerfield of NFL teams. No Respect!

ThePekoSquad
10-10-2007, 09:24 AM
I just read this article and I would laugh if it didn't make me so mad. As bad as we have been, at this point in the season we are better than Buffalo, Cleveland (Despite the loss), KC (to be proven on Sunday), Philly, Minnesota, and San Francisco. Don't get me wrong, the Bengals have not earned any respect with their play on the field. Still, they are the Rodney Dangerfield of NFL teams. No Respect!

Buffalo is a decent team.

Look at their losses.

Dallas 5-0
New England 5-0
Pittsburgh 4-1
Denver- 2-3

16-4 combined record.

Bad luck for Buffalo.

Cleveland is a decent team, who as you said, has already beat us.

I think Kansas City is complete garbage. I think they are bar none the worst team in football.

Minnesota's defense will carry some games for them.

Philly has D-Nab who is hot and cold. But Westbrook alone will win 3 games.

New Orleans- looks like the worst team in football, but I give the nod to KC.

San Fran looks disgusting, but Frank Gore and that O-Line will snap out of it one day.


Week 6.

Lets see where we go. 10 weeks left. If we get a top 5 draft choice, I won't complain then, but I sure as heck will complain now.

bengal_prideforlife
10-10-2007, 10:53 AM
Buffalo is a decent team.

Look at their losses.

Dallas 5-0
New England 5-0
Pittsburgh 4-1
Denver- 2-3

16-4 combined record.

Bad luck for Buffalo.

Cleveland is a decent team, who as you said, has already beat us.

I think Kansas City is complete garbage. I think they are bar none the worst team in football.

Minnesota's defense will carry some games for them.

Philly has D-Nab who is hot and cold. But Westbrook alone will win 3 games.

New Orleans- looks like the worst team in football, but I give the nod to KC.

San Fran looks disgusting, but Frank Gore and that O-Line will snap out of it one day.


Week 6.

Lets see where we go. 10 weeks left. If we get a top 5 draft choice, I won't complain then, but I sure as heck will complain now.

12 weeks left but yeah!

Ethanga62890
10-10-2007, 11:01 AM
Falcons on there! No way

/sarcasm off.

If we pick Brian Brohm instead of Jake Long or Darren McFadden (if we have the choice of the 3) i will desecrate Flowery Branch (where they go for training camp and practices)

ThePekoSquad
10-10-2007, 02:36 PM
Falcons on there! No way

/sarcasm off.

If we pick Brian Brohm instead of Jake Long or Darren McFadden (if we have the choice of the 3) i will desecrate Flowery Branch (where they go for training camp and practices)

Jake Long would be very nice to have. VERY nice.

But I would much rather take Dan Connor, Sedrick Ellis, Calais Campbell, a New DC.

You know something draftable.

Ethanga62890
10-10-2007, 04:36 PM
Jake Long would be very nice to have. VERY nice.

But I would much rather take Dan Connor, Sedrick Ellis, Calais Campbell, a New DC.

You know something draftable.

That's for your team :lol: We need OL more than anything.

Buckeyehitman
10-10-2007, 05:00 PM
Jake Long would be very nice to have. VERY nice.

But I would much rather take Dan Connor, Sedrick Ellis, Calais Campbell, a New DC.

You know something draftable.

Connor is nice............but THE ANIMAL is better.

ThePekoSquad
10-11-2007, 12:31 AM
Connor is nice............but THE ANIMAL is better.

We dont need an Animal, I would have fear of Michael Vick returning to kill it.

=(

Buckeyehitman
10-11-2007, 12:34 AM
We dont need an Animal, I would have fear of Michael Vick returning to kill it.

=(

More like vice versa.