The Lounge 2.0

[eoxyod]

Would you rather have Quinn or Bowers? Guess B has his pro day tomorrow to answer some questions but I don't like the knee issues.

Probably Quinn because of a higher ceiling and apparently the knee injury is becoming even more of a concern

[CloeHokie]

Probably Quinn because of a higher ceiling and apparently the knee injury is becoming even more of a concern

I also kinda hate Clemson. They are always over hyped.

[eoxyod]

I also kinda hate Clemson. They are always over hyped.

Well that's not exactly what I was going for. Lol
But Clemson players never seem to do well, although I like McDaniel a lot

[CloeHokie]

Well that's not exactly what I was going for. Lol
But Clemson players never seem to do well, although I like McDaniel a lot

Oh I know, I just know I am biased. I feel like Bowers is over hyped. He had one good season in the ACC. You could say the same for Quinn but i think had he played this year he would have been good 2 years.

[Broken1]

Well that's not exactly what I was going for. Lol
But Clemson players never seem to do well, although I like McDaniel a lot


http://www.databasefootball.com/players/bycollege.htm?sch=Clemson+University :rock on:

[eoxyod]

http://www.databasefootball.com/players/bycollege.htm?sch=Clemson+University :rock on:

That list is almost entirely players who last <5 years

[CloeHokie]

http://www.databasefootball.com/players/bycollege.htm?sch=Clemson+University :rock on:

Hahahaha, a lot of those guys played for 1 or 2 years. And I dont recognize many

[Broken1]

That list is almost entirely players who last <5 years

I saw some good ones. Terry Allen, Brentson Buckner, Dwight Clark, Brian Dawkins, LeRoy Hill, Levon Kirkland, Kevin Mack, Ed McDaniel, Trevor Pryce, and of course William Perry. :lol:

[CloeHokie]

I saw some good ones. Terry Allen, Brentson Buckner, Dwight Clark, Brian Dawkins, LeRoy Hill, Levon Kirkland, Kevin Mack, Ed McDaniel, Trevor Pryce, and of course William Perry. :lol:

I saw the fridge! I was like yeah! Hahahaha

What do you think between Bowers and Quinn at DE? I would be ok with either if we took one but Bowers knee does scare me.

[Broken1]

I saw the fridge! I was like yeah! Hahahaha

What do you think between Bowers and Quinn at DE? I would be ok with either if we took one but Bowers knee does scare me.

Bowers knees scare me as well. If he has no meniscus left and he has to get those viscous shots, I can tell you from experience he will have a tough time lasting.

The key to me is how he moves. The shuttle especially. He needs to show explosion off of his cuts. Without it I would stay way clear of him.

I favor Quinn personally, but he has his flags too. I just like Quinn as that pure pass rusher the Bengals haven't had since Alfred Williams. I would love to see him face up on those left tackles causing problems while Dunlap is killing right tackles on the other side.

[CINwillWIN]

Hahahaha, a lot of those guys played for 1 or 2 years. And I dont recognize many

http://www.databasefootball.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=GARDOCHR01
Brian Dawkins...Nick Eason...that's about it beside Mack.

[CloeHokie]

Bowers knees scare me as well. If he has no meniscus left and he has to get those viscous shots, I can tell you from experience he will have a tough time lasting.

The key to me is how he moves. The shuttle especially. He needs to show explosion off of his cuts. Without it I would stay way clear of him.

I favor Quinn personally, but he has his flags too. I just like Quinn as that pure pass rusher the Bengals haven't had since Alfred Williams. I would love to see him face up on those left tackles causing problems while Dunlap is killing right tackles on the other side.

I agree. His pro day will be big but I heard he failed 2 team physicals?

What is the issue with Quinn? I heard he had a brain tumor but has not had issues since it was removed after HS. Head issues can be a big deal but I am no doctor. Could there be reoccurring effects?

http://www.databasefootball.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=GARDOCHR01
Brian Dawkins...Nick Eason...that's about it beside Mack.

Hey man!

[Broken1]

http://www.databasefootball.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=GARDOCHR01
Brian Dawkins...Nick Eason...that's about it beside Mack.

Come on Cin...Trevor Pryce, Terry Allen, Ed McDaniel, Levon Kirkland, and Dwight Clark.

There are a few...:lol:

[eoxyod]

Bowers knees scare me as well. If he has no meniscus left and he has to get those viscous shots, I can tell you from experience he will have a tough time lasting.

The key to me is how he moves. The shuttle especially. He needs to show explosion off of his cuts. Without it I would stay way clear of him.

I favor Quinn personally, but he has his flags too. I just like Quinn as that pure pass rusher the Bengals haven't had since Alfred Williams. I would love to see him face up on those left tackles causing problems while Dunlap is killing right tackles on the other side.

My issue with Quinn would be getting guys on the field, unless MJ would be playing SLB. Because MJ and Quinn would both be better off as pass rush specialists at this point still (Although MJ has improved a lot vs. the run) and Dunlap should be getting very significant playing time. Of course the same comes up with Bowers, because he and Dunlap are LEs

[Broken1]

I agree. His pro day will be big but I heard he failed 2 team physicals?

What is the issue with Quinn? I heard he had a brain tumor but has not had issues since it was removed after HS. Head issues can be a big deal but I am no doctor. Could there be reoccurring effects?



Hey man!

The issues with Quinn are the tumor, which scares me, but also his off the field stuff. As minor as it is, it is a red flag to most of these draftnick's...

I have been layed up for a while and I didn't hear about the two failed physicals. That is some major stuff right there.

[CloeHokie]

My issue with Quinn would be getting guys on the field, unless MJ would be playing SLB. Because MJ and Quinn would both be better off as pass rush specialists at this point still (Although MJ has improved a lot vs. the run) and Dunlap should be getting very significant playing time. Of course the same comes up with Bowers, because he and Dunlap are LEs

I did see that Quinn can play either LE or RE. I just dunno about the draft and our pick. I would rather keep MJ at DE. So taking one this high is hard. If we take one I can assume he is moving to SLB.

[Broken1]

My issue with Quinn would be getting guys on the field, unless MJ would be playing SLB. Because MJ and Quinn would both be better off as pass rush specialists at this point still (Although MJ has improved a lot vs. the run) and Dunlap should be getting very significant playing time. Of course the same comes up with Bowers, because he and Dunlap are LEs

See, I'm not sold on Johnson. He has showed very limited pass rush skills in my opinion. He doesn't bend the edge like all the great ones do.

He got a ton of reps this past year and still only landed 2.5 sacks. I don't want to give up on him, but I am not completely sold on him either.

[eoxyod]

I did see that Quinn can play either LE or RE. I just dunno about the draft and our pick. I would rather keep MJ at DE. So taking one this high is hard. If we take one I can assume he is moving to SLB.

I think Quinn would be better off coming from RE

[Broken1]

I did see that Quinn can play either LE or RE. I just dunno about the draft and our pick. I would rather keep MJ at DE. So taking one this high is hard. If we take one I can assume he is moving to SLB.

I personally am in the minority when it comes to our first round pick. I want a quarterback and I am not ashamed of it. :lol:

I know it is a risk, but at this point the chances on the reward end outweigh the risks to me.

[CloeHokie]

See, I'm not sold on Johnson. He has showed very limited pass rush skills in my opinion. He doesn't bend the edge like all the great ones do.

He got a ton of reps this past year and still only landed 2.5 sacks. I don't want to give up on him, but I am not completely sold on him either.

What if Fairley, Quinn, and Bowers are there?

Do we take one of them or go WR? or QB?

I do not think either of the QBs this year are top 10 guys but are being pushed up because of a lack of top QBs and team needs. It reminds me of Alex Smith going #1. There may be a steal later but I do not think its one of the first 2 guys.

[Broken1]

I think Quinn would be better off coming from RE

I agree. He fits in at RE much more than he does LE. He will never anchor a teams run defense from the LE position in my opinion. We would need an incredible SAM if we had Quinn at LE, and we don't.

[Broken1]

What if Fairley, Quinn, and Bowers are there?

Do we take one of them or go WR? or QB?

I do not think either of the QBs this year are top 10 guys but are being pushed up because of a lack of top QBs and team needs. It reminds me of Alex Smith going #1. There may be a steal later but I do not think its one of the first 2 guys.

I would go quarterback, and honestly I think Mike Brown is going to go WR. Just my gut feeling.

[eoxyod]

See, I'm not sold on Johnson. He has showed very limited pass rush skills in my opinion. He doesn't bend the edge like all the great ones do.

He got a ton of reps this past year and still only landed 2.5 sacks. I don't want to give up on him, but I am not completely sold on him either.

I think he has 2 big problems in his game that need to be fixed:
He can get QB pressures but he doesn't do a very good job at finishing those with hits/sacks, and he also doesn't really have a pass rush move. He just sort of runs to the QB.
I think both can be fixed with improving strength, along with general experience as well as getting a competent DL coach. We don't have the latter though

[CloeHokie]

I personally am in the minority when it comes to our first round pick. I want a quarterback and I am not ashamed of it. :lol:

I know it is a risk, but at this point the chances on the reward end outweigh the risks to me.

I wont be mad if we do it. But I don't want to take an "Alex Smith" and get set back a number of years.

The only player I do not want is Peterson and Newton. I know PP is very good but I think a better pass rush makes our CBs even without JJ very good.

If we took PP over one of the top DL I would be mad.

[CloeHokie]

I agree. He fits in at RE much more than he does LE. He will never anchor a teams run defense from the LE position in my opinion. We would need an incredible SAM if we had Quinn at LE, and we don't.

Well, if MJ goes to Sam???
:lol:

[eoxyod]

I would go quarterback, and honestly I think Mike Brown is going to go WR. Just my gut feeling.

We're either going Peterson, Gabbert or Dareus (Although Dareus won't be available)

[Broken1]

I think he has 2 big problems in his game that need to be fixed:
He can get QB pressures but he doesn't do a very good job at finishing those with hits/sacks, and he also doesn't really have a pass rush move. He just sort of runs to the QB.
I think both can be fixed with improving strength, along with general experience as well as getting a competent DL coach. We don't have the latter though

I agree. His moves are very limited. He has no counter move. He either uses speed around the edge, or he bull rushes. If either is stopped he stops and trys to bat the ball. Elite pass rushers make a counter and leave the tackle grasping. I personally think Quinn has three elite moves.

[CloeHokie]

We're either going Peterson, Gabbert or Dareus (Although Dareus won't be available)

I hope not....................

Cloe would not be happy unless we got Dareus. Gabbert cant throw it accurately past 5 yards. And we do not need another 1st round CB.

[Broken1]

I wont be mad if we do it. But I don't want to take an "Alex Smith" and get set back a number of years.

The only player I do not want is Peterson and Newton. I know PP is very good but I think a better pass rush makes our CBs even without JJ very good.

If we took PP over one of the top DL I would be mad.

I don't want Peterson either. That is like running in place to me.

[CloeHokie]

With no FA before the draft does that hurt or help our chances of keeping our FAs?

I think it helps personally. JJ wont be able to get picked up and teams will have to fill holes like CB in the draft.

[cinc4ever1]

I hope not....................

Cloe would not be happy unless we got Dareus. Gabbert cant throw it accurately past 5 yards. And we do not need another 1st round CB.


I think there is really only 2 players I want,Marcell or Fairley. Taking AJ is an option, but no my fav pick.

[Broken1]

I hope not....................

Cloe would not be happy unless we got Dareus. Gabbert cant throw it accurately past 5 yards. And we do not need another 1st round CB.

I would not be surprised by Gabbert at all. Shawn Zobel has accurately picked our first rounder the past 4 years that I know of at least, and he has Gabbert.

[eoxyod]

I hope not....................

Cloe would not be happy unless we got Dareus. Gabbert cant throw it accurately past 5 yards. And we do not need another 1st round CB.

I'm starting to be against Peterson, but he's super elite which would leave me okay with it. I'm not a fan of Gabbert either. I just think he's more of a media created monster than anything. He'd be ranked lower in a lot of other drafts

[cinc4ever1]

With no FA before the draft does that hurt or help our chances of keeping our FAs?

I think it helps personally. JJ wont be able to get picked up and teams will have to fill holes like CB in the draft.

You would have to go into the draft thinking there signed. So business as uasaul.

[eoxyod]

I would not be surprised by Gabbert at all. Shawn Zobel has accurately picked our first rounder the past 4 years that I know of at least, and he has Gabbert.

If you're thinking of teh same guy as me, then he actually said he heard that we'd trade up from 4 to 2 if Newton went #1 overall

[CloeHokie]

I would not be surprised by Gabbert at all. Shawn Zobel has accurately picked our first rounder the past 4 years that I know of at least, and he has Gabbert.

I hope Buffalo takes him. :lol:

[Broken1]

With no FA before the draft does that hurt or help our chances of keeping our FAs?

I think it helps personally. JJ wont be able to get picked up and teams will have to fill holes like CB in the draft.

It helps, and it hurts.

The past few years we have tried to pick up guys to lessen our needs at certain positions so we could try to take the best available players. We won't have that luxury this year.

[CloeHokie]

If you're thinking of teh same guy as me, then he actually said he heard that we'd trade up from 4 to 2 if Newton went #1 overall

Ugh, and lose picks? Man I would just turn the TV off.

[Broken1]

If you're thinking of teh same guy as me, then he actually said he heard that we'd trade up from 4 to 2 if Newton went #1 overall

http://www.draftheadquarters.com/

His blog says that we want a quarterback and if neither Newton or Gabbert are there then he expects Bowers to be the pick.

[eoxyod]

Ugh, and lose picks? Man I would just turn the TV off.

I thought it was a bit much too. I don't believe in Gabbert at all, especially for a trade up

[Broken1]

I hope Buffalo takes him. :lol:

Buffalo is throwing out all kinds of mixed signals on what they are going to do.

[Broken1]

I thought it was a bit much too. I don't believe in Gabbert at all, especially for a trade up

Gabbert is a much better athlete then I thought he was.

[eoxyod]

http://www.draftheadquarters.com/

His blog says that we want a quarterback and if neither Newton or Gabbert are there then he expects Bowers to be the pick.

I got my info from him on twitter, the greatest invention ever:
RT @ShawnZobel_DHQ: I've been told that Cincinnati could trade up to No. 2 to take Gabbert, assuming Cam goes first

[CloeHokie]

http://www.draftheadquarters.com/

His blog says that we want a quarterback and if neither Newton or Gabbert are there then he expects Bowers to be the pick.

Well his mock is out of date. A lot has gone down since March 7th. I do not see it panning out that way in the top 5 at this point.

[eoxyod]

Well his mock is out of date. A lot has gone down since March 7th. I do not see it panning out that way in the top 5 at this point.

Yep. Dareus is pretty much locked into Denver now

[CloeHokie]

I thought it was a bit much too. I don't believe in Gabbert at all, especially for a trade up

Agree if we took him at 4 I would not be too angry. But if we traded up to get him I would be IRATE. We need our picks and never traded up to get guys we needed in the past. I do not see us trading up. Brown never does

[Broken1]

I got my info from him on twitter, the greatest invention ever:
RT @ShawnZobel_DHQ: I've been told that Cincinnati could trade up to No. 2 to take Gabbert, assuming Cam goes first

I don't do twitter...but yeah that's the same guy. His mocks are never completely right, but he seems to nail Cincy everytime.

Well his mock is out of date. A lot has gone down since March 7th. I do not see it panning out that way in the top 5 at this point.

Oh, he gets a ton wrong Cloe....he just always seem to nail Cincy. :thumbsup:

[CloeHokie]

I don't do twitter...but yeah that's the same guy. His mocks are never completely right, but he seems to nail Cincy everytime.



Oh, he gets a ton wrong Cloe....he just always seem to nail Cincy. :thumbsup:

I bet he will change his mock soon though. Lets hope its for the better. :lol:

Though as I said I would not be really upset if we took him at 4. But trading would just kill me.

[Broken1]

I bet he will change his mock soon though. Lets hope its for the better. :lol:

Though as I said I would not be really upset if we took him at 4. But trading would just kill me.

I don't count on us trading. I would be surprised considering we are having so many 2nd round type QB's in to visit.

[CloeHokie]

I don't count on us trading. I would be surprised considering we are having so many 2nd round type QB's in to visit.

Exactly

Trading down would be fine by me. But up to grab a QB with a lot of ? would drive me batty.

Anyone see Hobsons latest fluff?

http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Mini-Mock-maxed-on-maybes/6c70a640-6f0d-4c6c-bb6b-ca5da61517e4

[Broken1]

Exactly

Trading down would be fine by me. But up to grab a QB with a lot of ? would drive me batty.

Anyone see Hobsons latest fluff?

http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Mini-Mock-maxed-on-maybes/6c70a640-6f0d-4c6c-bb6b-ca5da61517e4


I saw it. I thought it could have been summed up with a few words. We have no idea what Cincy is going to do. :lol:

[CloeHokie]

I saw it. I thought it could have been summed up with a few words. We have no idea what Cincy is going to do. :lol:

Hahahahaha. That does sum it up pretty well.

[eoxyod]

I can honestly say the only QB I would be comfortable with would be Ponder. My only worry with him in our system would be injuries

[CloeHokie]

I can honestly say the only QB I would be comfortable with would be Ponder. My only worry with him in our system would be injuries

Yeah, he may be gone in round 2 though.

[cinc4ever1]

I saw it. I thought it could have been summed up with a few words. We have no idea what Cincy is going to do. :lol:


At least were leaving our options open.

[eoxyod]

Yeah, he may be gone in round 2 though.

He's going in the 16-24 range. Either to jacksonville or a trade up

[CloeHokie]

I just want no part of Mallet. At all.

[Broken1]

I can honestly say the only QB I would be comfortable with would be Ponder. My only worry with him in our system would be injuries

See, I do not like Ponder near as much as many around here do. I have watched him a ton, and he makes horrible decisions.

He also has a hitch in his delivery. Not with his arm, but with his legs, where he pushes them too close together and fails to fully stride before releasing the ball. It makes him very inaccurate when pushing the ball down the field. He doesn't get nearly enough velocity on the ball and it floats sailing high of the target more times then not.

It is the same hitch that Donovan McNabb has, and it has haunted McNabb for years. McNabb has gotten around it by being athletic and making plays out of the pocket, but his accuracy has always been a question mark...

[Broken1]

I just want no part of Mallet. At all.

I don't mind Mallett. I just don't think he fits our new system at all.

[CloeHokie]

I don't mind Mallett. I just don't think he fits our new system at all.

Exatly why I do not want him. He is not mobile at all. I do not want a QB that cant at least avoid a little pressure and run some bootleg action.

[cinc4ever1]

I just want no part of Mallet. At all.


Me neither. He reminds me of Carson Palmer after the injuires.

[CloeHokie]

Me neither. He reminds me of Carson Palmer after the injuires.

Sort of. No mobility. At allllllll

[Broken1]

Exatly why I do not want him. He is not mobile at all. I do not want a QB that cant at least avoid a little pressure and run some bootleg action.

You have to run bootleg in a WCO...

[eoxyod]

See, I do not like Ponder near as much as many around here do. I have watched him a ton, and he makes horrible decisions.

He also has a hitch in his delivery. Not with his arm, but with his legs, where he pushes them too close together and fails to fully stride before releasing the ball. It makes him very inaccurate when pushing the ball down the field. He doesn't get nearly enough velocity on the ball and it floats sailing high of the target more times then not.

It is the same hitch that Donovan McNabb has, and it has haunted McNabb for years. McNabb has gotten around it by being athletic and making plays out of the pocket, but his accuracy has always been a question mark...
I think he'll be a bit of a lesser Chad Pennington. I think that you're right on the deep balls though, although I never paid much attention on those. A great example would be in teh senior bowl on the first deep ball to Hankerson. That hung in the air forever. It was poorly thrown but had a good play by Hankerson (Who let it too far into his body) to save it
I don't mind Mallett. I just don't think he fits our new system at all.

Agreed

[CloeHokie]

You have to run bootleg in a WCO...

Right. I meant he cant run a bootleg or move around so I want no part of his immobile butt. :lol:

[CloeHokie]

See, I do not like Ponder near as much as many around here do. I have watched him a ton, and he makes horrible decisions.

He also has a hitch in his delivery. Not with his arm, but with his legs, where he pushes them too close together and fails to fully stride before releasing the ball. It makes him very inaccurate when pushing the ball down the field. He doesn't get nearly enough velocity on the ball and it floats sailing high of the target more times then not.

It is the same hitch that Donovan McNabb has, and it has haunted McNabb for years. McNabb has gotten around it by being athletic and making plays out of the pocket, but his accuracy has always been a question mark...

I can see that but I can make as many if not more judgments about Gabbert. I just think if we need to take a QB in rounds 1-2 I do not want one in round 1. The drop off from Gabbert to Ponder is not as great as the drop off from other positions imo.

I would not mind getting a lte 4ht-5th round QB and just bringing in a Vet. Or just bring in a vet and go for a QB next year.

[Broken1]

I think he'll be a bit of a lesser Chad Pennington. I think that you're right on the deep balls though, although I never paid much attention on those. A great example would be in teh senior bowl on the first deep ball to Hankerson. That hung in the air forever. It was poorly thrown but had a good play by Hankerson (Who let it too far into his body) to save it


Agreed

He does have that hitch. I saw Dilfer break it down, and he did a very good job of it. He says that he doesn't think it can be fixed.

I trust Dilfer a lot more then some people on here though. Some people can't stand him. :lol:

[Broken1]

I can see that but I can make as many if not more judgments about Gabbert. I just think if we need to take a QB in rounds 1-2 I do not want one in round 1. The drop off from Gabbert to Ponder is not as great as the drop off from other positions imo.

I would not mind getting a lte 4ht-5th round QB and just bringing in a Vet. Or just bring in a vet and go for a QB next year.

I agree that there is less of a drop from the top QB's to the second level guys then some other positions....


As for analyzing Gabbert...I can't. I haven't seen anything but youtube so I don't have much to go on.

[SunsetBengal]

I just want no part of Mallet. At all.


Likewise, what I did find interesting from the mini mock article was that Denver may be wanting to deal Orton for a draft pick. He was wasting away those years with the Bears, but has regained some respect with the Broncos. He may be the one to bridge the gap to the next 'francise QB' for this team.

[Broken1]

Likewise, what I did find interesting from the mini mock article was that Denver may be wanting to deal Orton for a draft pick. He was wasting away those years with the Bears, but has regained some respect with the Broncos. He may be the one to bridge the gap to the next 'francise QB' for this team.

That was a rumor a while back when everyone had an inside source. :lol:

[CloeHokie]

I agree that there is less of a drop from the top QB's to the second level guys then some other positions....


As for analyzing Gabbert...I can't. I haven't seen anything but youtube so I don't have much to go on.

I have not seen a lot on Gabbert either. Just a lot of stuff like this

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2011/03/one-of-the-faithful-readers-on-here-yesterday-complained-that-i-have-a-man-crush-on-cam-newton-and-havent-even-really-mention.html

Sources tell the Miami Herald that NFL teams are worried about Blaine Gabbert's completion percentage on throws of five or more yards.
Gabbert's completion rate reportedly drops "dramatically" beyond five yards, and "more so than most other QBs" in the 2011 class. We've heard this criticism more than once. Gabbert's yards-per-attempt averaged ranked just eighth in the Big 12 conference last season. This will do nothing to dispel the notion that Gabbert is a media and possibly agent-created elite prospect.

[SunsetBengal]

That was a rumor a while back when everyone had an inside source. :lol:


Yeah, I'm sure Hobbs added that straight from the message board.:lol:

[eoxyod]

I can see that but I can make as many if not more judgments about Gabbert. I just think if we need to take a QB in rounds 1-2 I do not want one in round 1. The drop off from Gabbert to Ponder is not as great as the drop off from other positions imo.

I would not mind getting a lte 4ht-5th round QB and just bringing in a Vet. Or just bring in a vet and go for a QB next year.
TYROD TAYLOR
I actually do like Taylor though
But we'll definitely be bringing in a veteran bridge player. hard to guess who though. There's not really an even decent option
He does have that hitch. I saw Dilfer break it down, and he did a very good job of it. He says that he doesn't think it can be fixed.

I trust Dilfer a lot more then some people on here though. Some people can't stand him. :lol:

I think Dilfer is an insane idiot. He thinks Dalton is going in the first and he thought Bradford would bust

[cinc4ever1]

Likewise, what I did find interesting from the mini mock article was that Denver may be wanting to deal Orton for a draft pick. He was wasting away those years with the Bears, but has regained some respect with the Broncos. He may be the one to bridge the gap to the next 'francise QB' for this team.


What were they shopping Orton for?

[eoxyod]

Likewise, what I did find interesting from the mini mock article was that Denver may be wanting to deal Orton for a draft pick. He was wasting away those years with the Bears, but has regained some respect with the Broncos. He may be the one to bridge the gap to the next 'francise QB' for this team.

FEAR THE NECKBEARD
I love Orton so much. Lol

[CloeHokie]

TYROD TAYLOR
I actually do like Taylor though
But we'll definitely be bringing in a veteran bridge player. hard to guess who though. There's not really an even decent option


I think Dilfer is an insane idiot. He thinks Dalton is going in the first and he thought Bradford would bust

I bet we get Mcnabb! Lol. He can at least run the WCO and is not as bad as he looked on WAS with no one to throw to.

Oh and yeah Tyrod!

[eoxyod]

I bet we get Mcnabb! Lol. He can at least run the WCO and is not as bad as he looked on WAS with no one to throw to.

I wouldn't say that. Santana Moss had one of his better years lately, and Cooley and Davis are dangerous.
I think McNabb ***** though. Forreals

[Broken1]

TYROD TAYLOR
I actually do like Taylor though
But we'll definitely be bringing in a veteran bridge player. hard to guess who though. There's not really an even decent option


I think Dilfer is an insane idiot. He thinks Dalton is going in the first and he thought Bradford would bust


I have actually seen a couple places that have Dalton moving up dramatically. I don't know...I just think the guy does a good job of breaking things down. To each there own though. :rock on:

[SunsetBengal]

What were they shopping Orton for?

I dunno exactly, the article just said a draft pick.

[CloeHokie]

I wouldn't say that. Santana Moss had one of his better years lately, and Cooley and Davis are dangerous.
I think McNabb ***** though. Forreals

Moss is short and losing speed. They had a UFL guy starting. Cooley lost his step I hear after the injury. Davis is good but they had no Oline either and ran dumb plays. Lets go deep with no Oline! Lol.

I don't like him either but he may be better than anyone else out there.

[eoxyod]

I have actually seen a couple places that have Dalton moving up dramatically. I don't know...I just think the guy does a good job of breaking things down. To each there own though. :rock on:
I think Dalton is more of like a career backup
Moss is short and losing speed. They had a UFL guy starting. Cooley lost his step I hear after the injury. Davis is good but they had no Oline either and ran dumb plays. Lets go deep with no Oline! Lol.

I don't like him either but he may be better than anyone else out there.

Better than others, but not really better

[CloeHokie]

I think Dalton is more of like a career backup


Better than others, but not really better

Who else is out there? God I hate Palmer for this. He is screwing us I don't care what anyone says. We cant even trade him.

[Broken1]

I think Dalton is more of like a career backup


Better than others, but not really better

I think Dalton is going to surprise a lot of people. That kid has moxy.

[Broken1]

Who else is out there? God I hate Palmer for this. He is screwing us I don't care what anyone says. We cant even trade him.

Yeah, unlike many I am not on Palmer's side in this.

[eoxyod]

Yeah, unlike many I am not on Palmer's side in this.

I'm on neither side. I hate MB but carson is jsut as wrong in this

[Broken1]

I'm on neither side. I hate MB but carson is jsut as wrong in this

That is a good point. I am not on Mike Brown's side. No way, no how.

[CloeHokie]

Yeah, unlike many I am not on Palmer's side in this.

I'm on neither side. I hate MB but carson is jsut as wrong in this

I don't like MB either but he did do a lot of what Carson asked. Guess what Carson? You don't get EVERYTHING you want at your job! Jesus.

[cinc4ever1]

Who else is out there? God I hate Palmer for this. He is screwing us I don't care what anyone says. We cant even trade him.


He sure did pick the best time possible to screw us. But when CBA is done and Mike doesn't trade Carson I'm going to be very upset.

[CloeHokie]

He sure did pick the best time possible to screw us. But when CBA is done and Mike doesn't trade Carson I'm going to be very upset.

I just don't see it getting done by the draft and that means we get nothing for Carson this year = he is definitely screwing us.

[Broken1]

What makes me mad is Chad Pennington was right on the top of my list of vets I would like to bridge the gap until we got our future starter ready.

Now that is out of the question. :angry:

[CloeHokie]

Where is BD? We should do a mock. I have a fresh 12 pack

[CloeHokie]

What makes me mad is Chad Pennington was right on the top of my list of vets I would like to bridge the gap until we got our future starter ready.

Now that is out of the question. :angry:

:rotf:

Mr. Glass

He would get hurt coaching

[Broken1]

Where is BD? We should do a mock. I have a fresh 12 pack

They are trying to do a full draft mock over in the draft section. Failing miserably too I might add. :lol:

[Broken1]

:rotf:

Mr. Glass

He would get hurt coaching


A man after my own heart. I know how he feels to constantly get hurt even during times when you just could not imagine getting hurt. <_<

[eoxyod]

What makes me mad is Chad Pennington was right on the top of my list of vets I would like to bridge the gap until we got our future starter ready.

Now that is out of the question. :angry:

He would have been perfect as a bridge guy, until he got hit once

[CloeHokie]

They are trying to do a full draft mock over in the draft section. Failing miserably too I might add. :lol:

Yeah.............. thats why we hide in here and do one. :lol: No assigned teams. Just all put in our pick and why for each team then most votes wins. If a tie someone always breaks it.

[cinc4ever1]

I just don't see it getting done by the draft and that means we get nothing for Carson this year = he is definitely screwing us.

It also means if we decide to trade him after the draft we could get lower value. Im just hoping that a few teams are still searching for a good vet and throw us a high pick in the next draft. Think about it. How sweet would it be if a bad team offers a high pick for Carson in the 2012 draft, and that said team does bad still.

Where is BD? We should do a mock. I have a fresh 12 pack

Im up for it. Haven't seen BD around, that job has been him keeping busy.

[CloeHokie]

A man after my own heart. I know how he feels to constantly get hurt even during times when you just could not imagine getting hurt. <_<

You didnt get hurt ramming a chick did you? Now that would be the worst.

[CloeHokie]

It also means if we decide to trade him after the draft we could get lower value. Im just hoping that a few teams are still searching for a good vet and throw us a high pick in the next draft. Think about it. How sweet would it be if a bad team offers a high pick for Carson in the 2012 draft, and that said team does bad still.



Im up for it. Haven't seen BD around, that job has been him keeping busy.

That would be cool but it would not help us this season. Meh

Did he get a new job?

[cinc4ever1]

They are trying to do a full draft mock over in the draft section. Failing miserably too I might add. :lol:


I look in from time to time. I feel for the dude running it. But it was also his choice to start it so fast. Should have been planned out better.

[Broken1]

You didnt get hurt ramming a chick did you? Now that would be the worst.

No. This past time I just got hurt changing the tail light in my car. Slipped in the driveway, caught myself, back went out. Ruptured a disk in my back...microdiscectomy last month. On the recovery trail now. :rock on:

[cinc4ever1]

That would be cool but it would not help us this season. Meh

Did he get a new job?


No it wont help this season. But come 2012 we would be happy.<_<


Yeah new job

[CloeHokie]

Well for the first pick I guess they are looking at both QBs, Fairley, Dareus, and PP.

I am not sure what to think but I would bet they are bluffing on taking a QB to try to get a team to trade down.

For now I will go with the bluff and say they risk it on Newton. But I really think they end up taking Dareus/Fairley

[CloeHokie]

No. This past time I just got hurt changing the tail light in my car. Slipped in the driveway, caught myself, back went out. Ruptured a disk in my back...microdiscectomy last month. On the recovery trail now. :rock on:

Well at least you are getting better. And it could be worse. You could have done what I guessed. Lol

[CloeHokie]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/14772109/assessing-the-needs-of-all-32-nfl-teams-by-division

If anyone needs it

[Broken1]

Well at least you are getting better. And it could be worse. You could have done what I guessed. Lol

I didn't name myself Broken1 for nothing. Something else will happen. Surgery #8 is right around the corner. :lol:

[cinc4ever1]

Well for the first pick I guess they are looking at both QBs, Fairley, Dareus, and PP.

I am not sure what to think but I would bet they are bluffing on taking a QB to try to get a team to trade down.

For now I will go with the bluff and say they risk it on Newton. But I really think they end up taking Dareus/Fairley


For now it does look like Cam is the 1st pick.

[Broken1]

For now it does look like Cam is the 1st pick.

I would say at this point all the information is leaning towards Cam at #1.

[SunsetBengal]

No. This past time I just got hurt changing the tail light in my car. Slipped in the driveway, caught myself, back went out. Ruptured a disk in my back...microdiscectomy last month. On the recovery trail now. :rock on:

Sorry to hear that. My brother in law had that proceedure about a year ago. He was walking within two days, and back to work in four weeks. Now, he says he's even better than before. I live with two herniated discs that flare up a couple times a year. As soon as I regain good healthcare insurance, I'll be looking into that.

[eoxyod]

Bi-curious

[CloeHokie]

Agreed


1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN -


Denver is going to go Dareus or PP

I say Dareus

[Broken1]

Sorry to hear that. My brother in law had that proceedure about a year ago. He was walking within two days, and back to work in four weeks. Now, he says he's even better than before. I live with two herniated discs that flare up a couple times a year. As soon as I regain good healthcare insurance, I'll be looking into that.

Wow. I was walking without the cane within 3 days, but it's been over a month and they still won't let me do any bending. I am not allowed to pick up anything heavier then 5 pounds, and can't bend lower then the knee for 2 more weeks.

[cinc4ever1]

Agreed


1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN -


Denver is going to go Dareus or PP

I say Dareus


Dareus is a no brainer. He would go #1 if it were not for Cam.

[Broken1]

Agreed


1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN -


Denver is going to go Dareus or PP

I say Dareus

I would say Dareus as well. They really need a defensive tackle for their new 4-3 look.

[CloeHokie]

Agreed.


1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN - Marcel Dareus - DE - Alabama
3 - BUF -

Buf could use a DE for a 3-4 but with Dareus gone I think they look Gabbert and Peterson

[Broken1]

Agreed.


1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN - Marcel Dareus - DE - Alabama
3 - BUF -

Buf could use a DE for a 3-4 but with Dareus gone I think they look Gabbert and Peterson

I think they look defensive line. I think they would perfer Dareus but will settle for Fairley personally.

[cinc4ever1]

Agreed.


1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN - Marcel Dareus - DE - Alabama
3 - BUF -

Buf could use a DE for a 3-4 but with Dareus gone I think they look Gabbert and Peterson

I have to say Gabbert. No way do the Bills really think Fitzpatrick is the future. But who knows what they do with Fairley on the board.

[CloeHokie]

I think they look defensive line. I think they would perfer Dareus but will settle for Fairley personally.

I agree but can Fairley play a 3-4 DE? I guess he could but I do not think its an ideal fit for him.

[Broken1]

I agree but can Fairley play a 3-4 DE? I guess he could but I do not think its an ideal fit for him.

I don't think he is either, but I do not think that the Bills are a very well run organization and will make this mistake.

[eoxyod]

Buffalo goes Gabbert

[Broken1]

Buffalo goes Gabbert

With players like Heyward and the like available at the top of the 2nd, it would be the smart move. I just don't know if they are run well enough to do it. Look through their recent drafts. None of them have had any sound logic behind them. :lol:

[CloeHokie]

I think PP, but the majority wins so we go Gabbert

[CloeHokie]

1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN - Marcel Dareus - DE - Alabama
3 - BUF - Blaine Gabbert - QB - Missouri
4 - CIN -

Oh nossssss.

Fairley, Green, Julio, Bowers, Quinn

[eoxyod]

With players like Heyward and the like available at the top of the 2nd, it would be the smart move. I just don't know if they are run well enough to do it. Look through their recent drafts. None of them have had any sound logic behind them. :lol:

Buffalo is especially stupid, but they are going to be dead set on a QB

Cincy, although I said I'd be meh with it, would be Peterson, I think. Or Green

[eoxyod]

It's going to be some skill player without a QB or the best DT that's fo sho

[Broken1]

Bengals go Green. thumbsdown

[cinc4ever1]

AJ Green seems like the smartest pick for us. But I so badly want Fairley.:hmm:

[CloeHokie]

At this point I want Fairley if we go defense. Hobson thins we go offense in this draft. I agree.

We go AJ Green Imo

[cinc4ever1]

Screw it im going with Fairley. We can go WR later. Nick gives us that DT that could push our DL over the edge.:thumbsup:

[Broken1]

At this point I want Fairley if we go defense. Hobson thins we go offense in this draft. I agree.

We go AJ Green Imo

Agreed. They go Green even though I don't really want him. How would that be for a young corps. Green, Shipley, and Gresham. All we would need is a quarterback and a young running back and our skill players would be set on offense.

[eoxyod]

Although there is still a debate on Green vs. Jones
Jones is arguably a better fit and better blocker
But green is a better talent with equal bust value

[Broken1]

Although there is still a debate on Green vs. Jones
Jones is arguably a better fit and better blocker
But green is a better talent with equal bust value

I think Jones is a smoke screen personally.

[CloeHokie]

Agreed. They go Green even though I don't really want him. How would that be for a young corps. Green, Shipley, and Gresham. All we would need is a quarterback and a young running back and our skill players would be set on offense.

Yeah, and it may lure Carson back. I do not think so at all but I bet Mike Brown is dumb enough to think that.

I would not mind Green but in this scenario but if Fairley was there I would want him or even Quinn as well.

[eoxyod]

I think Jones is a smoke screen personally.

Really good chance. Bengals go talent over fit for the most part, and Green is a better talent

[CloeHokie]

Although there is still a debate on Green vs. Jones
Jones is arguably a better fit and better blocker
But green is a better talent with equal bust value

I think Jones is a smoke screen personally.

This

Though I do think Julio may be a good fit AJ also fits what Jay Gruden has had in the past in his offenses. And AJ can catch

[Broken1]

Yeah, and it may lure Carson back. I do not think so at all but I bet Mike Brown is dumb enough to think that.

I would not mind Green but in this scenario but if Fairley was there I would want him or even Quinn as well.

In this scenario I personally would want Quinn, or Von Miller. But that is just me.

[Broken1]

Ok so we go Green. Do we all agree with the experts and Von Miller goes 5?

[CloeHokie]

So Green
Green
Fairley
and eox?


1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN - Marcel Dareus - DE - Alabama
3 - BUF - Blaine Gabbert - QB - Missouri
4 - CIN - AJ Green - WR - Georgia
5 - ARI -

[cinc4ever1]

Yeah, and it may lure Carson back. I do not think so at all but I bet Mike Brown is dumb enough to think that.

I would not mind Green but in this scenario but if Fairley was there I would want him or even Quinn as well.


Im sure AJ is the smarter pick. But im about making the defense better with our 1st pick. I like Fairley.

[eoxyod]

Ok so we go Green. Do we all agree with the experts and Von Miller goes 5?

So Green
Green
Fairley
and eox?


1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN - Marcel Dareus - DE - Alabama
3 - BUF - Blaine Gabbert - QB - Missouri
4 - CIN - AJ Green - WR - Georgia
5 - ARI -

Green
Easily Miller to Arizona. None of their LBs present a pass rush threat

[Broken1]

So Green
Green
Fairley
and eox?


1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN - Marcel Dareus - DE - Alabama
3 - BUF - Blaine Gabbert - QB - Missouri
4 - CIN - AJ Green - WR - Georgia
5 - ARI -

I think EOX agrees Green is the probable pick.

I go Miller to Arizona.

[CloeHokie]

Ok so we go Green. Do we all agree with the experts and Von Miller goes 5?

I dunno but that is what everyone is saying.

Arizona Cardinals

1. Outside linebacker: Last year's starters, Joey Porter and Clark Haggans, will both be 34 when the season starts. The Cardinals have failed to replenish the position and need an impact pass rusher. Von Miller makes a lot of sense. If O'Brien Schofield, a fourth-round pick last season, comes through, the two could be a potent combination for years to come.

2. Guard: Left guard Alan Faneca is considering retirement, and right guard Deuce Lutui is not under contract for 2011. The Cardinals are hopeful both will return, but there are no guarantees. The backups, Jeremy Bridges and Rex Hadnot, are solid veterans, but the club has few young players at the position. It needs to start developing some.

3. Inside linebacker: The club needs a physical Mike linebacker in the 3-4. Gerald Hayes likely will be released, and Paris Lenon and Daryl Washington are on the small side. The Cardinals' run defense was suspect last season, partly because their linebackers could not hold up physically in taking on blocks and shedding them.

[Broken1]

I dunno but that is what everyone is saying.

Arizona Cardinals

1. Outside linebacker: Last year's starters, Joey Porter and Clark Haggans, will both be 34 when the season starts. The Cardinals have failed to replenish the position and need an impact pass rusher. Von Miller makes a lot of sense. If O'Brien Schofield, a fourth-round pick last season, comes through, the two could be a potent combination for years to come.

2. Guard: Left guard Alan Faneca is considering retirement, and right guard Deuce Lutui is not under contract for 2011. The Cardinals are hopeful both will return, but there are no guarantees. The backups, Jeremy Bridges and Rex Hadnot, are solid veterans, but the club has few young players at the position. It needs to start developing some.

3. Inside linebacker: The club needs a physical Mike linebacker in the 3-4. Gerald Hayes likely will be released, and Paris Lenon and Daryl Washington are on the small side. The Cardinals' run defense was suspect last season, partly because their linebackers could not hold up physically in taking on blocks and shedding them.

I think it's pretty clear with Miller. It just makes perfect sense.

[eoxyod]

I dunno but that is what everyone is saying.

Arizona Cardinals

1. Outside linebacker: Last year's starters, Joey Porter and Clark Haggans, will both be 34 when the season starts. The Cardinals have failed to replenish the position and need an impact pass rusher. Von Miller makes a lot of sense. If O'Brien Schofield, a fourth-round pick last season, comes through, the two could be a potent combination for years to come.

2. Guard: Left guard Alan Faneca is considering retirement, and right guard Deuce Lutui is not under contract for 2011. The Cardinals are hopeful both will return, but there are no guarantees. The backups, Jeremy Bridges and Rex Hadnot, are solid veterans, but the club has few young players at the position. It needs to start developing some.

3. Inside linebacker: The club needs a physical Mike linebacker in the 3-4. Gerald Hayes likely will be released, and Paris Lenon and Daryl Washington are on the small side. The Cardinals' run defense was suspect last season, partly because their linebackers could not hold up physically in taking on blocks and shedding them.

Why is ILB a higher need than QB? At least Washington was a monster when he got PT last year

[CloeHokie]

Wow. 34 for both starting OLBS?

Yeah no brainer.


1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN - Marcel Dareus - DE - Alabama
3 - BUF - Blaine Gabbert - QB - Missouri
4 - CIN - AJ Green - WR - Georgia
5 - ARI - Von Miller - OLB - Texas A&M
6 - CLE -

Bowers, Fairley, PP? Julio?

[CloeHokie]

Why is ILB a higher need than QB? At least Washington was a monster when he got PT last year

Great Question!

Cleveland

1. Defensive end: End and wide receiver are really 1 and 1A for the Browns, but if one position is a priority it has to be a pass rusher. For proof, look back no further than the way Clay Matthews helped the Packers get to and win the Super Bowl. In 12 years, the Browns have never had a defensive player opponents fretted about. Robert Quinn of North Carolina would be a perfect fit.

2. Wide receiver: The Browns' leading receiver in 2010 was tight end Benjamin Watson. Brian Robiskie, a good complementary player, tied for the team lead with three touchdown catches. A.J. Green could be the home-run hitter team president Mike Holmgren is seeking.

3. Cornerback: The Browns are satisfied with Sheldon Brown and Joe Haden as starters, but they need a third corner. Eric Wright had a miserable season in 2010. He is a free agent and probably won't be re-signed.

[cinc4ever1]

Im with Eox and Broken. Von is a good pick for Arizona.

[Bengal Dude]

Von Miller will be snatched up by the Cardinals.

[Broken1]

Wow. 34 for both starting OLBS?

Yeah no brainer.


1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN - Marcel Dareus - DE - Alabama
3 - BUF - Blaine Gabbert - QB - Missouri
4 - CIN - AJ Green - WR - Georgia
5 - ARI - Von Miller - OLB - Texas A&M
6 - CLE -

Bowers, Fairley, PP? Julio?

I say Bowers, if he does well tomorrow. If not I would think Quinn.

[eoxyod]

It's definitely going to be DL here. The Browns normally build inside out (Albeit not very successfully). TOugh between Bowers and Fairley. but I think Bowers

[eoxyod]

I say Bowers, if he does well tomorrow. If not I would think Quinn.

Stop copying me before I finish posting

[Bengal Dude]

I'd put Bowers in Cleveland. They're heading back to the 4-3 and they need a legit DT.

[Broken1]

It's definitely going to be DL here. The Browns normally build inside out (Albeit not very successfully). TOugh between Bowers and Fairley. but I think Bowers

With Atyuba Rubin I doubt they go DT, even though they are switching from the 3-4.

[cinc4ever1]

For now I have Quinn over Bowers. So Quinn makes sense here.

[eoxyod]

With Atyuba Rubin I doubt they go DT, even though they are switching from the 3-4.

I don't think Rubin will fir in the 4-3 with his limited movement ability. That whole DL will need retooling. But DE is probably more pressing

[Broken1]

For now I have Quinn over Bowers. So Quinn makes sense here.

Where I live is big Browns area and watching their Browns shows...they are very, very high on Quinn.

[CloeHokie]

Bowers is bigger and i assume he does well tomorrow and maintains. I like Quinn better but Bowers for me

[cinc4ever1]

Fairley would give the Browns a good DT now that Rodgers is gone. But pass rushing is were they will go.

[Broken1]

I don't think Rubin will fir in the 4-3 with his limited movement ability. That whole DL will need retooling. But DE is probably more pressing

Rubin will be alright. He will be their plugger then all they need is an under to get penetration. They don't have any ends though. None. :lol:

[Bengal Dude]

Rubin will be alright. He will be their plugger then all they need is an under to get penetration. They don't have any ends though. None. :lol:

Aren't they moving Roth or Fujita to DE?

[Broken1]

so by committee do we have Bowers? I think so.

[CloeHokie]

Switching to a 4-3 from a 3-4 they have no good DEs.

My pick is Bowers

[eoxyod]

Rubin will be alright. He will be their plugger then all they need is an under to get penetration. They don't have any ends though. None. :lol:

They have BRIAN SCHAFERING

Just ****ing

[Broken1]

Aren't they moving Roth or Fujita to DE?

Roth. Fujita is staying outside. They want Roth to play end, but he is a free agent, and has said that if he is made to come back due to the CBA, he would like to be traded.

[Bengal Dude]

It appears that San Francisco is going to cream in their pants as they land Patrick Peterson, in my opinion.

[eoxyod]

Aren't they moving Roth or Fujita to DE?

I think Fujita is a LB in the 4-3
Roth will be a DE

[CloeHokie]

Broken - Bowers
Cloe - Bowers
Cinc - ?
eox - Bowers?
BD - Bowers

I would say so


1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN - Marcel Dareus - DE - Alabama
3 - BUF - Blaine Gabbert - QB - Missouri
4 - CIN - AJ Green - WR - Georgia
5 - ARI - Von Miller - OLB - Texas A&M
6 - CLE - DaQuan Bowers - DE - Clemson
7 - SF -

SF is up

[cinc4ever1]

It appears that San Francisco is going to cream in their pants as they land Patrick Peterson, in my opinion.


That would be a dream scenario.

[eoxyod]

Roth. Fujita is staying outside. They want Roth to play end, but he is a free agent, and has said that if he is made to come back due to the CBA, he would like to be traded.
There you go, doing it again
It appears that San Francisco is going to cream in their pants as they land Patrick Peterson, in my opinion.

Pretty much

[CloeHokie]

It appears that San Francisco is going to cream in their pants as they land Patrick Peterson, in my opinion.

Agreed. No brainer at this point.

[Broken1]

It appears that San Francisco is going to cream in their pants as they land Patrick Peterson, in my opinion.

I agree with that. It's a no doubter in my opinion.

[eoxyod]

We may as well skip SF with PP
Titans go Fairley

[cinc4ever1]

Broken - Bowers
Cloe - Bowers
Cinc - ?
eox - Bowers?
BD - Bowers

I would say so


1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN - Marcel Dareus - DE - Alabama
3 - BUF - Blaine Gabbert - QB - Missouri
4 - CIN - AJ Green - WR - Georgia
5 - ARI - Von Miller - OLB - Texas A&M
6 - CLE - DaQuan Bowers - DE - Clemson
7 - SF -

SF is up


I had Quinn to Cle to clear things up.

Peterson has to go to the 49ers in this scenario.

[CloeHokie]

1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN - Marcel Dareus - DE - Alabama
3 - BUF - Blaine Gabbert - QB - Missouri
4 - CIN - AJ Green - WR - Georgia
5 - ARI - Von Miller - OLB - Texas A&M
6 - CLE - DaQuan Bowers - DE - Clemson
7 - SF - Patrick Peterson - CB- LSU
8 - TEN -

[cinc4ever1]

We may as well skip SF with PP
Titans go Fairley


I think the Titans would be thrilled with Nick Fairley.

[Bengal Dude]

I believe Tennessee will go with Fairley since they miss out on the QBs.

[Broken1]

I agree with Eox...

Fairley has to be the pick.

Quinn is possible though.

[CloeHokie]

I think they go Fairley.

But Quinn?

1. Quarterback: The Titans need not one but two quarterbacks -- one veteran and a rookie to groom for the future. Of the two, the rookie pick is obviously the most important. But the longer a lockout goes on, the better the odds that Kerry Collins would be back. But you get the feeling Mike Munchak would prefer a slightly younger quarterback.

2. Defensive end: The Titans have question marks at the end position, where they may be moving away from the slant-9 technique to rush the passer. They tendered Jacob Ford at the second-round level, but have made little efforts thus far to retain Dave Ball and/or Jason Babin, who expressed frustration over not getting an extension.

3. Linebacker: Titans linebackers were exposed last season, especially against the pass. Stephen Tulloch might not be back as a free agent. Despite needs at quarterback, a guy like Von Miller might be tough to pass up at No. 8.

[eoxyod]

I think they go Fairley.

But Quinn?

1. Quarterback: The Titans need not one but two quarterbacks -- one veteran and a rookie to groom for the future. Of the two, the rookie pick is obviously the most important. But the longer a lockout goes on, the better the odds that Kerry Collins would be back. But you get the feeling Mike Munchak would prefer a slightly younger quarterback.

2. Defensive end: The Titans have question marks at the end position, where they may be moving away from the slant-9 technique to rush the passer. They tendered Jacob Ford at the second-round level, but have made little efforts thus far to retain Dave Ball and/or Jason Babin, who expressed frustration over not getting an extension.

3. Linebacker: Titans linebackers were exposed last season, especially against the pass. Stephen Tulloch might not be back as a free agent. Despite needs at quarterback, a guy like Von Miller might be tough to pass up at No. 8.

I think Fairley fits the nasty play style of the DL too much to pass up

[CloeHokie]

They have Morgan who they drafted. He was hurt but an early pick has me taking Fairley


1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN - Marcel Dareus - DE - Alabama
3 - BUF - Blaine Gabbert - QB - Missouri
4 - CIN - AJ Green - WR - Georgia
5 - ARI - Von Miller - OLB - Texas A&M
6 - CLE - DaQuan Bowers - DE - Clemson
7 - SF - Patrick Peterson - CB- LSU
8 - TEN - Nick Fairley - DT - Auburn
9 - DAL -

[CloeHokie]

I think Dallas goes Oline. I know they also need a CB but Romo got killed, and they need Smith

[Broken1]

They have Morgan who they drafted. He was hurt but an early pick has me taking Fairley


1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN - Marcel Dareus - DE - Alabama
3 - BUF - Blaine Gabbert - QB - Missouri
4 - CIN - AJ Green - WR - Georgia
5 - ARI - Von Miller - OLB - Texas A&M
6 - CLE - DaQuan Bowers - DE - Clemson
7 - SF - Patrick Peterson - CB- LSU
8 - TEN - Nick Fairley - DT - Auburn
9 - DAL -

Prince...

[eoxyod]

Dallas has been heavily linked to Tyron Smith, and they are apparently non-smokescreens. I agree with it too
Another possible option is JJ Watt since they need a 5 technique. But I think that'd be a bit of an overdraft

[eoxyod]

Tyron Smith is my pick is what I'm saying
Although I forgot about Amukamara. He'd be a good pick as well

[Bengal Dude]

I think Dallas will go with Tyron Smith at this pick.

[cinc4ever1]

It is a bit of a reach for Smith, but the smart choice.

[Broken1]

I think Dallas will go with Tyron Smith at this pick.

It is definitely between Smith and Prince. I don't know if they will go O-line that early though. How long has it been since they have went o-line in 1? I know its been a while.

[CloeHokie]

I could see them going Smith but not with Romo getting killed last season. They need O line help and early. Sounds like majority goes Smith


1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN - Marcel Dareus - DE - Alabama
3 - BUF - Blaine Gabbert - QB - Missouri
4 - CIN - AJ Green - WR - Georgia
5 - ARI - Von Miller - OLB - Texas A&M
6 - CLE - DaQuan Bowers - DE - Clemson
7 - SF - Patrick Peterson - CB- LSU
8 - TEN - Nick Fairley - DT - Auburn
9 - DAL - Tyron Smith - OT - Southern Cal
10 - WAS -

Was needs

1. Quarterback: Donovan McNabb had the worst season of his 11 as a starter during his Washington debut and won't be back. Journeyman Rex Grossman, who finished 2010 as the starter, would be a caretaker until a draft pick is ready to play, but he's unsigned. That leaves John Beck, who hasn't thrown a pass since 2007, as the likely No. 1 as of now.

2. Nose tackle: Coordinator Jim Haslett says the nose is the key to his 3-4 defense. Albert Haynesworth refused to play the position. Ma'ake Kemoeatu was a bust coming off an Achilles injury and, like Haynesworth, will almost certainly not be back. Late-season starter Anthony Bryant might get a shot, but Washington needs a force here.

3. Pass rusher: The now-departed Andre Carter's failed transition from defensive end to linebacker left Brian Orakpo constantly double-teamed last year. Orakpo was the only Redskin with more than 2.5 sacks. Washington needs someone else to generate pressure.

I would add WR. Julio Jones could go here. I have heard Mike likes Locker a lot but waaaay too early imo

[Bengal Dude]

It is definitely between Smith and Prince. I don't know if they will go O-line that early though. How long has it been since they have went o-line in 1? I know its been a while.

I don't think Jerry has ever gone OL in 1, but if he's invested in Romo, then he needs to protect him. Plus, I guess the Cowboys have requested more video on him than any other team. While Prince is a dark horse pick, I believe Jerry finally caves and gets himself a lineman, whether he plays the left or right side.

[eoxyod]

Julio
Moss is in steady decline despite what was still a solidish year last year and Armstrong is a situational deep threat at best

[Broken1]

I could see them going Smith but not with Romo getting killed last season. They need O line help and early. Sounds like majority goes Smith


1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN - Marcel Dareus - DE - Alabama
3 - BUF - Blaine Gabbert - QB - Missouri
4 - CIN - AJ Green - WR - Georgia
5 - ARI - Von Miller - OLB - Texas A&M
6 - CLE - DaQuan Bowers - DE - Clemson
7 - SF - Patrick Peterson - CB- LSU
8 - TEN - Nick Fairley - DT - Auburn
9 - DAL - Tyron Smith - OT - Southern Cal
10 - WAS -

Was needs

1. Quarterback: Donovan McNabb had the worst season of his 11 as a starter during his Washington debut and won't be back. Journeyman Rex Grossman, who finished 2010 as the starter, would be a caretaker until a draft pick is ready to play, but he's unsigned. That leaves John Beck, who hasn't thrown a pass since 2007, as the likely No. 1 as of now.

2. Nose tackle: Coordinator Jim Haslett says the nose is the key to his 3-4 defense. Albert Haynesworth refused to play the position. Ma'ake Kemoeatu was a bust coming off an Achilles injury and, like Haynesworth, will almost certainly not be back. Late-season starter Anthony Bryant might get a shot, but Washington needs a force here.

3. Pass rusher: The now-departed Andre Carter's failed transition from defensive end to linebacker left Brian Orakpo constantly double-teamed last year. Orakpo was the only Redskin with more than 2.5 sacks. Washington needs someone else to generate pressure.

I would add WR. Julio Jones could go here. I have heard Mike likes Locker a lot but waaaay too early imo


I think they go Quinn to go opposite Orakpo.

And to go back to the Dallas pick. Not since 1981 has Dallas drafted an offensive lineman in round 1. Just wanted you guys to know that.

[Bengal Dude]

I'm going to say Julio Jones for the Redskins. Shanahan loves his fast players.

[cinc4ever1]

This is a tough choice for me. Julio is a need. But also Carlos Rodgers is a FA. So Prince should be considered. Also should Quinn.

[eoxyod]

I think they go Quinn to go opposite Orakpo.

And to go back to the Dallas pick. Not since 1981 has Dallas drafted an offensive lineman in round 1. Just wanted you guys to know that.

@.@

[CloeHokie]

Julio
Moss is in steady decline despite what was still a solidish year last year and Armstrong is a situational deep threat at best

Agreed, I think Shanny wants a toy. Quinn could go here too.

[eoxyod]

Cinc, you've inspired me. I'm changing to Amukamara
Deangelo is insanely overrated and Rogers can't catch a cold, although he has solid coverage ability

[Broken1]

Wow this draft is deep. Quinn, Julio, Prince all on the board into the teens. :lol:

[Broken1]

Cinc, you've inspired me. I'm changing to Amukamara
Deangelo is insanely overrated and Rogers can't catch a cold, although he has solid coverage ability

I tend to agree. Shanahan always drafts defensive backs. He always has.

[eoxyod]

Wow this draft is deep. Quinn, Julio, Prince all on the board into the teens. :lol:

It's weird. It's deep but I don't think it is that good. Especially on offense

[CloeHokie]

BD - Julio
Cloe - Julio
Eox - Prince
cinc - Prince
broken make the call!

[cinc4ever1]

My pick is Prince. They are in need of a CB pretty bad. And I think AJ was the WR they really wanted.

[eoxyod]

BD - Julio
Cloe - Julio
Eox - Prince
cinc - Prince
broken make the call!

I don't think Cinc said Prince. He mentioned him as a possibility

Edit- I stand corrected

[Broken1]

Orakpo only defender over 2.5 sacks. Yeah I think they go Quinn...

[Broken1]

I don't think Cinc said Prince. He mentioned him as a possibility

If I had to call between the two it would be Prince.

[eoxyod]

Orakpo only defender over 2.5 sacks. Yeah I think they go Quinn...

Damn. We're in a pickle

[Broken1]

Damn. We're in a pickle

refresh again. :lol:

[CloeHokie]

Doh!

broken - Quinn
Cloe - Julio
BD - Julio
Cinc - Prince
eox - Prince

We need a tie breaker!

[CloeHokie]

Never mind! Prince

[Broken1]

:rotf:

is this the draft forum mock?

[eoxyod]

refresh again. :lol:

People keep going with what I'm saying or disproving what I'm saying right before I hit the post button

[CloeHokie]

1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN - Marcel Dareus - DE - Alabama
3 - BUF - Blaine Gabbert - QB - Missouri
4 - CIN - AJ Green - WR - Georgia
5 - ARI - Von Miller - OLB - Texas A&M
6 - CLE - DaQuan Bowers - DE - Clemson
7 - SF - Patrick Peterson - CB- LSU
8 - TEN - Nick Fairley - DT - Auburn
9 - DAL - Tyron Smith - OT - Southern Cal
10 - WAS - Prince Amukamara - CB - Nebraska
11 - HOU -

[Bengal Dude]

Houston goes with Robert Quinn. They need a pass rusher with their transition.

[CloeHokie]

:rotf:

is this the draft forum mock?

It looked like it for that pick. Lol


1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN - Marcel Dareus - DE - Alabama
3 - BUF - Blaine Gabbert - QB - Missouri
4 - CIN - AJ Green - WR - Georgia
5 - ARI - Von Miller - OLB - Texas A&M
6 - CLE - DaQuan Bowers - DE - Clemson
7 - SF - Patrick Peterson - CB- LSU
8 - TEN - Nick Fairley - DT - Auburn
9 - DAL - Tyron Smith - OT - Southern Cal
10 - WAS - Prince Amukamara - CB - Nebraska
11 - HOU -

I think Hou has to go Quinn

[eoxyod]

Quinn. I don't entirely trust him in teh 3-4, but Houston will need a pass rusher

[cinc4ever1]

This is where I see Quinn going.

[Broken1]

1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN - Marcel Dareus - DE - Alabama
3 - BUF - Blaine Gabbert - QB - Missouri
4 - CIN - AJ Green - WR - Georgia
5 - ARI - Von Miller - OLB - Texas A&M
6 - CLE - DaQuan Bowers - DE - Clemson
7 - SF - Patrick Peterson - CB- LSU
8 - TEN - Nick Fairley - DT - Auburn
9 - DAL - Tyron Smith - OT - Southern Cal
10 - WAS - Prince Amukamara - CB - Nebraska
11 - HOU -

I think Houston will be very upset Prince went right before their pick.

Wade takes the closest thing to Ware in this draft...Quinn.

[CloeHokie]

Ah, an easy one down. Now for Min

A hard one Imo


1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN - Marcel Dareus - DE - Alabama
3 - BUF - Blaine Gabbert - QB - Missouri
4 - CIN - AJ Green - WR - Georgia
5 - ARI - Von Miller - OLB - Texas A&M
6 - CLE - DaQuan Bowers - DE - Clemson
7 - SF - Patrick Peterson - CB- LSU
8 - TEN - Nick Fairley - DT - Auburn
9 - DAL - Tyron Smith - OT - Southern Cal
10 - WAS - Prince Amukamara - CB - Nebraska
11 - HOU - Robert Quinn - DE - North Carolina
12 - MIN -

1. Quarterback: Brett Favre and Tavares Jackson are expected to be gone and while Joe Webb showed flashes during his two starts at the end of the season, this is a position at which the Vikings need a long-term solution. There is a chance the Vikings could look to draft a quarterback and then sign a veteran free agent.

2. Defensive end: Starting left end Ray Edwards and his backup, Brian Robison, could hit free agency depending on what happens with the new CBA. That would leave the Vikings with second-year player Everson Griffen, who has had some off-the-field troubles this winter. A first-round pick could step in as a starter.

3. Safety: Madieu Williams hasn't lived up to expectations since signing a big free-agent contract in 2008. Husain Abdullah beat out 2008 second-round pick Tyrell Johnson and 2009 seventh-round pick Jamarca Sanford for the other starting job last season. There could be a move to upgrade here.

I think they could also even go Oline. But maybe reach for a QB?

[Broken1]

Ah, an easy one down. Now for Min

A hard one Imo


1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN - Marcel Dareus - DE - Alabama
3 - BUF - Blaine Gabbert - QB - Missouri
4 - CIN - AJ Green - WR - Georgia
5 - ARI - Von Miller - OLB - Texas A&M
6 - CLE - DaQuan Bowers - DE - Clemson
7 - SF - Patrick Peterson - CB- LSU
8 - TEN - Nick Fairley - DT - Auburn
9 - DAL - Tyron Smith - OT - Southern Cal
10 - WAS - Prince Amukamara - CB - Nebraska
11 - HOU - Robert Quinn - DE - North Carolina
12 - MIN -

1. Quarterback: Brett Favre and Tavares Jackson are expected to be gone and while Joe Webb showed flashes during his two starts at the end of the season, this is a position at which the Vikings need a long-term solution. There is a chance the Vikings could look to draft a quarterback and then sign a veteran free agent.

2. Defensive end: Starting left end Ray Edwards and his backup, Brian Robison, could hit free agency depending on what happens with the new CBA. That would leave the Vikings with second-year player Everson Griffen, who has had some off-the-field troubles this winter. A first-round pick could step in as a starter.

3. Safety: Madieu Williams hasn't lived up to expectations since signing a big free-agent contract in 2008. Husain Abdullah beat out 2008 second-round pick Tyrell Johnson and 2009 seventh-round pick Jamarca Sanford for the other starting job last season. There could be a move to upgrade here.

I think they could also even go Oline. But maybe reach for a QB?

No Sidney Rice = Julio Jones.

[cinc4ever1]

Hmm JJ Watt maybe, Aldon Smith,

[eoxyod]

I think they'll overdraft Jake Locker

[cinc4ever1]

No Sidney Rice = Julio Jones.

I think they will retain Rice.

[Bengal Dude]

Minnesota is a tough call. With Edwards and Robison most likely leaving, I could see them surprising people and taking Cameron Jordan.

[eoxyod]

Good to know that we're all in a different place here

[Broken1]

I think they will retain Rice.

I have read a couple places that they do no intend on keeping Rice.

[CloeHokie]

I think they'll overdraft Jake Locker

I agree and think they are desperate. Locker for me but as we can see Min can go a number of ways.

[Bengal Dude]

I have read a couple places that they do no intend on keeping Rice.

I believe it's between a DE and Julio. I just have a feeling that Frazier is going to focus on keeping his D at a high rate.

[Broken1]

Minnesota is a tough call. With Edwards and Robison most likely leaving, I could see them surprising people and taking Cameron Jordan.

Robison resigned. 3 year deal.

they also tendered Rice, so what the **** do I know. :lol:

[Bengal Dude]

Robison resigned. 3 year deal.

Then, with the depth of DL in this draft, I'd have to go with Julio Jones.

[cinc4ever1]

Im jumping on board with Julio Jones

[Broken1]

Im jumping on board with Julio Jones

they did tender Rice with a first round grade.

[CloeHokie]

Ok Julio it is. It would be a reach to take Locker. I think they may but this would make sense, If they lose Rice Berrian is poop.

[eoxyod]

St. Louis rages at this pick

[cinc4ever1]

they did tender Rice with a first round grade.


That makes me want to say Cameron Jordan,but to late.

[Broken1]

That makes me want to say Cameron Jordan,but to late.

I don't know. This one really could be a WTF pick...:lol:

[CloeHokie]

St. Louis rages at this pick

Thats awesome. Hahahaha


1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN - Marcel Dareus - DT - Alabama
3 - BUF - Blaine Gabbert - QB - Missouri
4 - CIN - AJ Green - WR - Georgia
5 - ARI - Von Miller - OLB - Texas A&M
6 - CLE - DaQuan Bowers - DE - Clemson
7 - SF - Patrick Peterson - CB- LSU
8 - TEN - Nick Fairley - DT - Auburn
9 - DAL - Tyron Smith - OT - Southern Cal
10 - WAS - Prince Amukamara - CB - Nebraska
11 - HOU - Robert Quinn - DE - North Carolina
12 - MIN - Julio Jones - WR - Alabama
13 - DET -

OT, or OLB Imo

[cinc4ever1]

Cameron Jordan to the Rams.

[Broken1]

Thats awesome. Hahahaha


1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN - Marcel Dareus - DT - Alabama
3 - BUF - Blaine Gabbert - QB - Missouri
4 - CIN - AJ Green - WR - Georgia
5 - ARI - Von Miller - OLB - Texas A&M
6 - CLE - DaQuan Bowers - DE - Clemson
7 - SF - Patrick Peterson - CB- LSU
8 - TEN - Nick Fairley - DT - Auburn
9 - DAL - Tyron Smith - OT - Southern Cal
10 - WAS - Prince Amukamara - CB - Nebraska
11 - HOU - Robert Quinn - DE - North Carolina
12 - MIN - Julio Jones - WR - Alabama
13 - DET -

OT, or OLB Imo

I agree. I think it is Costanzo.

[eoxyod]

Anthony Castanzo. Detroit needs to stop being stupid and draft a damn tackle

[Bengal Dude]

Detroit has to go with an OT. Stafford is their franchise and they actually need to protect him. Anthony Costanzo has to be the pick for them.

[CloeHokie]

I agree. I think it is Costanzo.

Much like Dallas I don't think they want to see their franchise QB dead all season again.

Costanzo is a Lion in my mind. I can just see him in the jersey. Hahahaha

[cinc4ever1]

I agree about Costanzo.

[CloeHokie]

1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN - Marcel Dareus - DT - Alabama
3 - BUF - Blaine Gabbert - QB - Missouri
4 - CIN - AJ Green - WR - Georgia
5 - ARI - Von Miller - OLB - Texas A&M
6 - CLE - DaQuan Bowers - DE - Clemson
7 - SF - Patrick Peterson - CB- LSU
8 - TEN - Nick Fairley - DT - Auburn
9 - DAL - Tyron Smith - OT - Southern Cal
10 - WAS - Prince Amukamara - CB - Nebraska
11 - HOU - Robert Quinn - DE - North Carolina
12 - MIN - Julio Jones - WR - Alabama
13 - DET - Anthony Castonzo - OT - Boston College
14 - STL -

[eoxyod]

Aldon Smith to bookend Chris Long.

[Broken1]

1 - CAR - Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
2 - DEN - Marcel Dareus - DT - Alabama
3 - BUF - Blaine Gabbert - QB - Missouri
4 - CIN - AJ Green - WR - Georgia
5 - ARI - Von Miller - OLB - Texas A&M
6 - CLE - DaQuan Bowers - DE - Clemson
7 - SF - Patrick Peterson - CB- LSU
8 - TEN - Nick Fairley - DT - Auburn
9 - DAL - Tyron Smith - OT - Southern Cal
10 - WAS - Prince Amukamara - CB - Nebraska
11 - HOU - Robert Quinn - DE - North Carolina
12 - MIN - Julio Jones - WR - Alabama
13 - DET - Anthony Castonzo - OT - Boston College
14 - STL -

St. Louis is tricky with Jones gone. They could go many different directions. I am going to go with Jimmy Smith because they need help in the secondary.

[Bengal Dude]

Well St. Louis is ticked that Julio Jones is off the board. I think they go towards their DL.

I believe they'd go between Aldon Smith or Corey Liuget.

I think Liuget is the pick.

[cinc4ever1]

Got side tracked by a phone call.

With St Louis i think they go with Cameron Jordan

[Broken1]

Well St. Louis is ticked that Julio Jones is off the board. I think they go towards their DL.

I believe they'd go between Aldon Smith or Corey Liuget.

I think Liuget is the pick.

Really? Defensive line after going Caraker (sp?) and then Long? I wouldn't...but they might. :lol:

[cinc4ever1]

Well St. Louis is ticked that Julio Jones is off the board. I think they go towards their DL.

I believe they'd go between Aldon Smith or Corey Liuget.

I think Liuget is the pick.


Crap i forgot about Liuget!

There it is for me Cory Liuget. The Rams need a DT badly.:thumbsup:

[eoxyod]

St. Louis is tricky with Jones gone. They could go many different directions. I am going to go with Jimmy Smith because they need help in the secondary.

Bartell is good enough to keep one spot at CB. DE is the most important position in Spagnolo's D, so i think Smith is going to be it

[cinc4ever1]

Really? Defensive line after going Caraker (sp?) and then Long? I wouldn't...but they might. :lol:

That is the thing they still need a DT. :lol: