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CloeHokie
01-23-2012, 11:35 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see him tumble in the draft.

He should. Someone will get him as a backup/

Bengal Dude
01-23-2012, 11:38 PM
He should. Someone will get him as a backup/

For about 4-5 years before he has to file his retirement paperwork.

CloeHokie
01-23-2012, 11:44 PM
For about 4-5 years before he has to file his retirement paperwork.

Good for one or 2 contracts. Lol

So now Dalton and Gresham are in PB?

I will watch it this year. I hope it gives us some confidence going forward. With all the guys in FA this season I think we can really take a big step forward. We are not that far. We need to fill a few pieces with a few solid FA and then hit the draft again. If we get someone like Colston, Manningham, Meachum, Royal then either a solid OG or a CB we can hit the draft with a plan to get a RB and either another OL or something else to help. S

henrizzle
01-23-2012, 11:45 PM
yeah he played for the yankees for a while. Lol 29. He is out there playing with 18 year olds.
ಠ_ಠ

Bengal Dude
01-23-2012, 11:54 PM
Good for one or 2 contracts. Lol

So now Dalton and Gresham are in PB?

I will watch it this year. I hope it gives us some confidence going forward. With all the guys in FA this season I think we can really take a big step forward. We are not that far. We need to fill a few pieces with a few solid FA and then hit the draft again. If we get someone like Colston, Manningham, Meachum, Royal then either a solid OG or a CB we can hit the draft with a plan to get a RB and either another OL or something else to help. S

I will definitely watch it. We basically sent our core to the Pro Bowl. Just another chance for Dalton and Green to workout together along with Gresham.

We must absolutely hit FA. We can't sit back like in years past and let dust settle. We need to throw our hats in the mix for some important players. If anything, I think we'll go after a WR since there's so many to choose from. I would like to land a CB like Finnegan, but I see him heading to St. Louis. A smaller name that I'd like us to look at is Jason Jones from Tennessee. He could become one of those DT/DE hybrids that Marvin and Zim like. I'm sure Zim will want someone in FA and/or the draft.

Especially after last year.

CloeHokie
01-23-2012, 11:57 PM
I will definitely watch it. We basically sent our core to the Pro Bowl. Just another chance for Dalton and Green to workout together along with Gresham.

We must absolutely hit FA. We can't sit back like in years past and let dust settle. We need to throw our hats in the mix for some important players. If anything, I think we'll go after a WR since there's so many to choose from. I would like to land a CB like Finnegan, but I see him heading to St. Louis. A smaller name that I'd like us to look at is Jason Jones from Tennessee. He could become one of those DT/DE hybrids that Marvin and Zim like. I'm sure Zim will want someone in FA and/or the draft.

Especially after last year.

I like Jones as well. There are so many FA this season. Finnegan is kind of a dbag dirty player but he is good. Just would rather get dude from Atl. Grimes I think

What would you think about Manningham/Meachum? Or even Colston

Bengal Dude
01-24-2012, 12:09 AM
I like Jones as well. There are so many FA this season. Finnegan is kind of a dbag dirty player but he is good. Just would rather get dude from Atl. Grimes I think

What would you think about Manningham/Meachum? Or even Colston

Finnegan is a dbag, but he gets into WRs' heads and throws their game off, as evidenced with his fight against Andre Johnson. I like Grimes, but he's injured a lot.

I'm hesitant about Mannigham. He's up and down with his catches. I know we're looking at a #2, but I want some reliable like TJ. Meachem looks good, but how much is him and how much is the Saints system?

Colston...........yeah, I'd be happy.

CloeHokie
01-24-2012, 12:23 AM
Finnegan is a dbag, but he gets into WRs' heads and throws their game off, as evidenced with his fight against Andre Johnson. I like Grimes, but he's injured a lot.

I'm hesitant about Mannigham. He's up and down with his catches. I know we're looking at a #2, but I want some reliable like TJ. Meachem looks good, but how much is him and how much is the Saints system?

Colston...........yeah, I'd be happy.

Yeah, he can play just not sure I would like his attitude around our players.

I think Manningham would be good when he is not on a team with so many options but I hear ya. Colston would be awesome.

eoxyod
01-24-2012, 12:48 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to see him tumble in the draft.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him go in the top half of the first round. He's clearly the 3rd best QB,band some team will take a risk on age

CloeHokie
01-25-2012, 03:58 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see him go in the top half of the first round. He's clearly the 3rd best QB,band some team will take a risk on age

Lol. Is this a joke? At 29 you should be at the peak of your game not trying to learn it. He is a back up at best.

eoxyod
01-25-2012, 04:01 PM
Lol. Is this a joke? At 29 you should be at the peak of your game not trying to learn it. He is a back up at best.

Being serious. He's the best QB at the senior bowl. He's intelligent, has a good arm, anticipation, and accuracy. He can give a team a good 6-8 years at QB.

CloeHokie
01-25-2012, 04:10 PM
Being serious. He's the best QB at the senior bowl. He's intelligent, has a good arm, anticipation, and accuracy. He can give a team a good 6-8 years at QB.

Lol. No way he goes in the first round. He should be the best at the senior bowl. He is 9 years older than everyone there. I would bet round 3 or 4.

HearUsRoar
01-25-2012, 04:11 PM
Lol. No way he goes in the first round. He should be the best at the senior bowl. He is 9 years older than everyone there. I would bet round 3 or 4.
Our son is the smartest kid in 5th grade.

Yeah...he's 14 years old.

CloeHokie
01-25-2012, 04:18 PM
Our son is the smartest kid in 5th grade.

Yeah...he's 14 years old.

Hahahahahahaha

CloeHokie
01-25-2012, 04:26 PM
Man I want to party but it is Wednesday.

HearUsRoar
01-25-2012, 04:27 PM
Man I want to party but it is Wednesday.
It's Friday somewhe...err, no it's not.

eoxyod
01-25-2012, 04:29 PM
Lol. No way he goes in the first round. He should be the best at the senior bowl. He is 9 years older than everyone there. I would bet round 3 or 4.

I'd bet you 4 bajillion dollars he is going in the first

CloeHokie
01-25-2012, 04:34 PM
It's Friday somewhe...err, no it's not.

If only that cop out applied. Fred is on fire today eh?

I'd bet you 4 bajillion dollars he is going in the first

Hahahahaha. How about 500 Monopoly dollars?

eoxyod
01-25-2012, 04:35 PM
If only that cop out applied. Fred is on fire today eh?



Hahahahaha. How about 500 Monopoly dollars?

Deal

HearUsRoar
01-25-2012, 04:35 PM
If only that cop out applied. Fred is on fire today eh?
Yeah today is a really special fred day. The dude compared me to Timothy McVeigh because I'm unhappy with the Government.

ommfg, seriously? :lol:

eoxyod
01-25-2012, 04:35 PM
I'd like to say that calling Louisville about them screwing up my application information while they don't answer the phone is fun

CloeHokie
01-25-2012, 04:43 PM
Yeah today is a really special fred day. The dude compared me to Timothy McVeigh because I'm unhappy with the Government.

ommfg, seriously? :lol:

Hahahahaha. I was cracking up in my office reading that one for sure. Stfu you terrorist

I'd like to say that calling Louisville about them screwing up my application information while they don't answer the phone is fun

Louisville is such a cool city. Would love to go back there for a visit. It is too close to 5 so they are not going to pick up. Lol

eoxyod
01-25-2012, 04:56 PM
Hahahahaha. I was cracking up in my office reading that one for sure. Stfu you terrorist



Louisville is such a cool city. Would love to go back there for a visit. It is too close to 5 so they are not going to pick up. Lol

I called them twice at around 2 :l

Megalicious23
01-25-2012, 08:12 PM
Louisville is such a cool city. Would love to go back there for a visit. It is too close to 5 so they are not going to pick up. Lol
Yeah it is. There's so much to do there. Were you there for derby?

CloeHokie
01-25-2012, 08:22 PM
Yeah it is. There's so much to do there. Were you there for derby?

I lived there before Ohio as a kid but I went through and partied at some cool bars 5 years ago on my long drive to Denver. One bar was split into like 3 bars. It was awesome. But the city was so clean and nice. I had a blast

Megalicious23
01-25-2012, 08:45 PM
I lived there before Ohio as a kid but I went through and partied at some cool bars 5 years ago on my long drive to Denver. One bar was split into like 3 bars. It was awesome. But the city was so clean and nice. I had a blast
Phoenix Hill Tavern?? We went there for shannie's bachelorette party lol. I love that bar because there's usually 3 completely different genres of bands playing in different areas of the bar.

CloeHokie
01-25-2012, 09:04 PM
Phoenix Hill Tavern?? We went there for shannie's bachelorette party lol. I love that bar because there's usually 3 completely different genres of bands playing in different areas of the bar.

I could not remember the name if I tried. Lol. But it was split into three. Onside had Country music so I avoided that, one had club music on and was awesome. Got my dance on with some ladies. And the other had a band playing rock. Ended up there later jamming. It was so much fun.

eoxyod
01-25-2012, 10:35 PM
Yeah it is. There's so much to do there. Were you there for derby?

There's nothing to do where I am

What's with Mikey that people keep making threads?

CloeHokie
01-25-2012, 10:38 PM
There's nothing to do where I am

What's with Mikey that people keep making threads?

I really don't know. I did not even know who he was until a few days ago. Then saw that thread that people were sending him messages about his son dying. I said something nice on that matter. But now I am just going to avoid the whole thing. It is going to turn into a big mess.

Bengal Dude
01-25-2012, 10:46 PM
I really don't know. I did not even know who he was until a few days ago. Then saw that thread that people were sending him messages about his son dying. I said something nice on that matter. But now I am just going to avoid the whole thing. It is going to turn into a big mess.

I'm pretty sure this is the 2nd time that he's had a thread made about him. I just think it's weird.

CloeHokie
01-25-2012, 11:32 PM
I'm pretty sure this is the 2nd time that he's had a thread made about him. I just think it's weird.

Really? I have never really noticed either one very much.

eoxyod
01-26-2012, 12:36 AM
Really? I have never really noticed either one very much.

I notice threads but I don't really know what's going on, and it's too far to figure out what's going on. Lol

henrizzle
01-26-2012, 12:55 AM
that video of andy and aj at the pro bowl makes me happy

CloeHokie
01-26-2012, 10:49 AM
I have decided on my Hokie Man Crush I want us to draft this year. Of course there are the obvious choices of David Wilson and Hosley. But I want Jarrett Boykin. He is so under the radar its insane to me. This guy leads all VT WR in receptions. We have had a lot of talented guys here lately at WR and he has topped them. He is a powerful guy with big hands that goes up and gets the ball. And he can fight off tacklers to get extra yards. He should be available in the later rounds and could help us out at WR.

eoxyod
01-26-2012, 10:59 AM
I have decided on my Hokie Man Crush I want us to draft this year. Of course there are the obvious choices of David Wilson and Hosley. But I want Jarrett Boykin. He is so under the radar its insane to me. This guy leads all VT WR in receptions. We have had a lot of talented guys here lately at WR and he has topped them. He is a powerful guy with big hands that goes up and gets the ball. And he can fight off tacklers to get extra yards. He should be available in the later rounds and could help us out at WR.

I'll take all 3

CloeHokie
01-26-2012, 11:06 AM
I'll take all 3

I would too. Lol. That would be so funny.

Round 1 - 21 Wilson
Round 2 - 58? - Hosley If he falls
Round 4/5/6 - Boykin.

I am not quite sure where he will go. I would think rounds 3-6 but some places like CBS have him rated so low as like a 7th/FA. I just don't see how our all time leading WR could not go higher. And he has made so many nasty plays

eoxyod
01-26-2012, 12:15 PM
I would too. Lol. That would be so funny.

Round 1 - 21 Wilson
Round 2 - 58? - Hosley If he falls
Round 4/5/6 - Boykin.

I am not quite sure where he will go. I would think rounds 3-6 but some places like CBS have him rated so low as like a 7th/FA. I just don't see how our all time leading WR could not go higher. And he has made so many nasty plays

Because being VTs all time WR doesn't mean much :P

He's not the most physically talented iirc, just a player. Would imagine him being solid for someone though, going somewhere in the 5th

CloeHokie
01-26-2012, 12:17 PM
Because being VTs all time WR doesn't mean much :P

He's not the most physically talented iirc, just a player. Would imagine him being solid for someone though, going somewhere in the 5th

I mean VT has put a lot of WR in the NFL. Heck I would like to bring in Josh Morgan as a FA from SF.

He has Jerome freakish large hands. Lol

eoxyod
01-26-2012, 12:30 PM
I mean VT has put a lot of WR in the NFL. Heck I would like to bring in Josh Morgan as a FA from SF.

He has Jerome freakish large hands. Lol

And big hands obviously means.....
Well..you know


He can catch the ball well

CloeHokie
01-26-2012, 12:34 PM
And big hands obviously means.....
Well..you know


He can catch the ball well

Lol.

Stewy
01-26-2012, 02:01 PM
And big hands obviously means.....
Well..you know


He can catch the ball well

When he's paying attention......

Bengal Dude
01-26-2012, 03:14 PM
Cloe would probably shatter his computer in excitement if we took 3 Hokies.

CloeHokie
01-26-2012, 03:18 PM
Cloe would probably shatter his computer in excitement if we took 3 Hokies.

I learned that $200 lesson the hard way. Thanks Benson <_<

Bengal Dude
01-26-2012, 03:29 PM
I learned that $200 lesson the hard way. Thanks Benson <_<

We won't have to worry about him again.

CloeHokie
01-26-2012, 03:31 PM
We won't have to worry about him again.

I don't think so either. What round do you think we go RB or do we go FA? All the good FA RB will be signed IMO.

Bengal Dude
01-26-2012, 03:38 PM
I don't think so either. What round do you think we go RB or do we go FA? All the good FA RB will be signed IMO.

I believe we get one in the draft and it'll be the 2nd round. I have a feeling that we won't value Miller enough for #17, but he'll go before 21. Such is the Bengal way.

CloeHokie
01-26-2012, 06:26 PM
Anyone know about Vick Ballard? I drafted him in Madden and he was a perfect Benson fill in. Size, strength, stiff arm, and could block. Obviously its a video game but watching SB practice they commented on how well he pass blocks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6q-56NykUk

Bengal Dude
01-26-2012, 09:18 PM
Anyone know about Vick Ballard? I drafted him in Madden and he was a perfect Benson fill in. Size, strength, stiff arm, and could block. Obviously its a video game but watching SB practice they commented on how well he pass blocks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6q-56NykUk

From what I've seen, he seems like a brusier, but not a full time guy.

cinc4ever1
01-27-2012, 12:25 AM
Phoenix Hill Tavern?? We went there for shannie's bachelorette party lol. I love that bar because there's usually 3 completely different genres of bands playing in different areas of the bar.

I could not remember the name if I tried. Lol. But it was split into three. Onside had Country music so I avoided that, one had club music on and was awesome. Got my dance on with some ladies. And the other had a band playing rock. Ended up there later jamming. It was so much fun.


I have been there as well. It was the last spot I hit up when some friends and I went to have some fun. Spent most of my time on the top floor, but I did bounce around a bit from floor to floor. Damn I need to get back there!:lol:

eoxyod
01-28-2012, 01:05 AM
So then, I was visiting Louisville and this tour guy said, "I'm studying abroad this year." So I says to him, "I'll study a broad..or two...if ya know what I mean.."
So then I look across the room and this girl is givin me them googly eyes she looks at me with and I said, "Hey dumb broad, get over 'ere!"
Now dis broad here, she had a butt that could make Ghandi throw in the towel if ya know what I mean. Sos I says to her, "We should go do da dirty, ya broad"

And then I piped her in the ally way. Kill and bang, in dat order, because that's how Johnny likes it.

CloeHokie
01-28-2012, 12:53 PM
Lol

eoxyod
01-28-2012, 02:09 PM
Lol

You laved it

wolfkaosaun
01-28-2012, 03:49 PM
So then, I was visiting Louisville and this tour guy said, "I'm studying abroad this year." So I says to him, "I'll study a broad..or two...if ya know what I mean.."
So then I look across the room and this girl is givin me them googly eyes she looks at me with and I said, "Hey dumb broad, get over 'ere!"
Now dis broad here, she had a butt that could make Ghandi throw in the towel if ya know what I mean. Sos I says to her, "We should go do da dirty, ya broad"

And then I piped her in the ally way. Kill and bang, in dat order, because that's how Johnny likes it.

Mellow:what:Mellow

eoxyod
01-28-2012, 05:37 PM
Mellow:what:Mellow

You know how I do dem broads

wolfkaosaun
01-28-2012, 06:58 PM
You know how I do dem broads

Is it on the internet? Because I would like to watch it

eoxyod
01-28-2012, 06:59 PM
Is it on the internet? Because I would like to watch it

I made that up. Lol

wolfkaosaun
01-28-2012, 07:15 PM
I made that up. Lol

..............no

eoxyod
01-28-2012, 07:18 PM
..............no

Yep. The voice I say it in (Brooklonian) and "Piped her in the ally way" are from something something that me and my friends say all the time. Then I made that story from it

wolfkaosaun
01-28-2012, 09:50 PM
Yep. The voice I say it in (Brooklonian) and "Piped her in the ally way" are from something something that me and my friends say all the time. Then I made that story from it

Still does not erase the fact I want to see that Mellow

eoxyod
01-28-2012, 10:06 PM
Still does not erase the fact I want to see that Mellow

Then stop listening to Pittsburgh

wolfkaosaun
01-28-2012, 10:08 PM
Then stop listening to Pittsburgh

Sounds like a good plan.

So what were your impressions on the Senior Bowl? If you watched it that is

Steeler Eater
01-28-2012, 10:48 PM
Yep. The voice I say it in (Brooklonian) and "Piped her in the ally way" are from something something that me and my friends say all the time. Then I made that story from it

Sounds like something outta a 1940s Gangster Flick.

Packerbacker09
01-28-2012, 11:10 PM
Anyone around?

eoxyod
01-28-2012, 11:11 PM
Sounds like a good plan.

So what were your impressions on the Senior Bowl? If you watched it that is
Guys I liked:
South CBs
Pead
Martin
Mike Adams
Sounds like something outta a 1940s Gangster Flick.

I dunno. Lol

Packerbacker09
01-28-2012, 11:50 PM
Watching NFL primetime on You tube right now from 1995. Man that takes me back.

eoxyod
01-28-2012, 11:51 PM
Watching NFL primetime on You tube right now from 1995. Man that takes me back.

I can imagine Chris Berman still being annoying

Packerbacker09
01-29-2012, 12:06 AM
I can imagine Chris Berman still being annoying
Tom Jackson looks young. Berman still looks almost identical.

eoxyod
01-29-2012, 12:13 AM
Tom Jackson looks young. Berman still looks almost identical.

That ageless *******. Lol

What you up to?

Packerbacker09
01-29-2012, 12:17 AM
That ageless *******. Lol

What you up to?
Not a whole lot how bout you? It stinks the season is almost over with.

Bengalzona
01-29-2012, 01:10 PM
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/425957_364250260271100_1188543071_n.jpg

Bengals in Toronto
01-29-2012, 04:43 PM
Not a whole lot how bout you? It stinks the season is almost over with.

my favorite part is going to start soon

eoxyod
01-29-2012, 04:55 PM
my favorite part is going to start soon

The pro bowl? Mellow

CloeHokie
01-29-2012, 05:39 PM
The pro bowl? Mellow

I am guessing offseason. I love the offseason. FA and the draft.

I am going to watch the PB though. Lol

eoxyod
01-29-2012, 05:42 PM
I am guessing offseason. I love the offseason. FA and the draft.

I am going to watch the PB though. Lol

I only like the first three days of FA, whenever teh Bengals sign a guy, and draft day itself

Bengal Dude
01-29-2012, 05:43 PM
I am guessing offseason. I love the offseason. FA and the draft.

I am going to watch the PB though. Lol

This may be the first PB I've watched since the 06 game.

eoxyod
01-29-2012, 06:08 PM
This may be the first PB I've watched since the 06 game.

Same, actually. Young guys always go tryhard, so our guys may play well

Bengal Dude
01-29-2012, 06:22 PM
Same, actually. Young guys always go tryhard, so our guys may play well

That and I actually like the players, of ours, that are in it.

Hell, I watched the 02 game when the only guy we sent was Lorenzo Neal.

eoxyod
01-29-2012, 06:29 PM
That and I actually like the players, of ours, that are in it.

Hell, I watched the 02 game when the only guy we sent was Lorenzo Neal.

I think the only play last year that anyone cared about was Alex Mack scoring a TD

Bengal Dude
01-29-2012, 06:37 PM
I think the only play last year that anyone cared about was Alex Mack scoring a TD

i'm surprised that defensive players even show up. It's a glorified Arena game.

Played on a longer field.

eoxyod
01-29-2012, 06:41 PM
i'm surprised that defensive players even show up. It's a glorified Arena game.

Played on a longer field.

They should at least allow random defensive schemes for poops and giggles

Oh, and the need to bring the skills competitions back

Bengals in Toronto
01-29-2012, 06:41 PM
The pro bowl? Mellow

not that soon the Combine FA and draft most exciting time of the season for me


but I will be watching the ProBowl

so is Jenkins worth the 17 if Decastro is gone

Packerbacker09
01-29-2012, 06:43 PM
Anyone going to watch the Pro Bowl?

Bengal Dude
01-29-2012, 06:48 PM
They should at least allow random defensive schemes for poops and giggles

Oh, and the need to bring the skills competitions back

I'd love to see a DC just call an all out blitz.

I miss the skills competition. Guys actually put forth effort. I caught some of the practices and even the practices are a joke.

eoxyod
01-29-2012, 06:57 PM
I'd love to see a DC just call an all out blitz.

I miss the skills competition. Guys actually put forth effort. I caught some of the practices and even the practices are a joke.

I never saw the practices. Lol

Bengal Dude
01-29-2012, 07:01 PM
I never saw the practices. Lol

The QBs walked their dropbacks, while the WRs and DBs jogged side by side. Occasionally the WR would look up for the ball.

Packerbacker09
01-29-2012, 07:05 PM
Rodgers coming out first, should be interesting.

eoxyod
01-29-2012, 07:06 PM
The fuq with that song?

Packerbacker09
01-29-2012, 07:07 PM
The fuq with that song?
Horrible song.

wolfkaosaun
01-29-2012, 07:10 PM
TONIGHT!!!!
Oh oh ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Oh oh ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

eoxyod
01-29-2012, 07:14 PM
Twitter just exploded to that *******

wolfkaosaun
01-29-2012, 07:15 PM
Twitter just exploded to that *******

Ya know, I still have yet to use Twitter

eoxyod
01-29-2012, 07:19 PM
Ya know, I still have yet to use Twitter

@.@

wolfkaosaun
01-29-2012, 07:22 PM
@.@

Yeahhhhhhhhhhh, I find it very annoying

CloeHokie
01-30-2012, 05:23 PM
So guys. Are we over reacting to CB this draft?

Leon Hall will be back and I thought Clements played well.

Do we really need a first round pick with all the talent at CB?

I mean is Jenkins really that much better than Hosely or someone we could get in round 2 or 3? I do not think so.

eoxyod
01-30-2012, 05:40 PM
So guys. Are we over reacting to CB this draft?

Leon Hall will be back and I thought Clements played well.

Do we really need a first round pick with all the talent at CB?

I mean is Jenkins really that much better than Hosely or someone we could get in round 2 or 3? I do not think so.

Jenkns is a lot better than Hosley. But it's hard to guess how Hall will come back, and Clements is old and slow. We really need a gamebreaker at CB, and I really want Stephon Gilmore to fill that gap

CloeHokie
01-30-2012, 05:43 PM
Jenkns is a lot better than Hosley. But it's hard to guess how Hall will come back, and Clements is old and slow. We really need a gamebreaker at CB, and I really want Stephon Gilmore to fill that gap

Really? I watched him and was not too impressed. Hosley looked back to form big time in our Bowl game.

Gilmore is a solid later pick is he not?

eoxyod
01-30-2012, 05:46 PM
Really? I watched him and was not too impressed. Hosley looked back to form big time in our Bowl game.

Gilmore is a solid later pick is he not?

Jenkins only real on the field problem I saw was he sits on routes and will look in on the QB, which will get him beat by vet WRs and QBs. But it's a very coachable deal

Gilmore is a first round pick

CloeHokie
01-30-2012, 05:56 PM
Jenkins only real on the field problem I saw was he sits on routes and will look in on the QB, which will get him beat by vet WRs and QBs. But it's a very coachable deal

Gilmore is a first round pick

His stock must have gone up lately. I thought a few months ago he was a 3rd? But could be thinking of someone else. I like Gilmore.

eoxyod
01-30-2012, 06:18 PM
His stock must have gone up lately. I thought a few months ago he was a 3rd? But could be thinking of someone else. I like Gilmore.

Gilmore reminds me of JJo, with more length. He needs some technical devlopment, but he'll be golden with it

CloeHokie
01-30-2012, 06:40 PM
Gilmore reminds me of JJo, with more length. He needs some technical devlopment, but he'll be golden with it

Was just reading up on him some more. I like him. I don't like Jenkins. One of those things I can't explain. Also I want no part of Minnefield from UVA. He is not as good as advertised. He gets burnt a lot and gets a lot of PI calls. My brother went there and pointed it out to me then I watched him get burnt over and over in the VT game.

CloeHokie
01-30-2012, 07:02 PM
Here is a first rounder done 1/26. Got a little sloppy towards end as we were boozing and wanted to wrap up. Lol. Still too early for a mock but it was fun. We did not do any trades though I think there will be some. Also I think someone will take Richardson that may not "need: him just as value but we went with needs mostly. Honestly I wanted the Jets to take Richardson and think they may after doing this. LT is old and Green is awful. They need to get back to running if they want to win. But I lost that argument and we moved on.

IND Andrew Luck - QB Stanford
STL Justin Blackmon - WR OSU
MIN Matt Kalil - OT USC
CLE Robert Griffin III - QB Baylor
TB Morris Claiborne - CB LSU
WAS Ryan Tannehill - QB Texas A&M
JAC Alshon Jeffrey - WR South Carolina
CAR Devon Still - DT PSU
MIA Quinton Coples - DE UNC
BUF Riley Reiff - OT Iowa
KC Jonathan Martin - OT Stanford
SEA Courtney Upshaw - OLB Alabama
ARI David DeCastro - G Stanford
DAL Dre Kirkpatrick - Alabama Alabama
PHI Luke Kuechly - ILB BC
NYJ Mark Barron - S Alabama
CIN Trent Richardson - RB Alabama
SD Nick Perry - DE USC
CHI Michael Brockers - DT LSU
TEN Peter Kontz - C Wisconsin
CIN Cordy Glenn - OG Georgia
CLE Kendall Wright - WR Baylor
DET Alfonzo Dennard - CB Nebraska
PIT Dontari Poe - DT Memphis
DEN Jerel Worthy - DT Michigan St.
HOU Michael Floyd - WR ND
NE Melvin Ingram - OLB South Carolina
GB Janoris Jenkins - CB N. Alabama
BAL Dont'a Hightower - ILB Alabama
SF Mohamed Sanu - WR Rutgers
NE Fletcher Cox - DT Mississippi St.
NYG Zebrie Sanders - OT Florida St.

CloeHokie
01-30-2012, 07:13 PM
Now lets say the draft goes this way but the Jets take Richardson right in front of us. What do we do at 17?

eoxyod
01-30-2012, 07:57 PM
I just don't like Dennard or Minnifield. Minnifield is strictly a zone corner and Dennard is slow and overly physical, which will get penalties called on him. Plus, he has no ball skills. Otherwise, I love this CB class. Deep as hell

I hate that mock. Lol. Disagree with where Blackmon, Jeffery, Tannenhill, and Brockers for sure

If he was available, I think we'd take Brockers though.

CloeHokie
01-30-2012, 08:15 PM
I just don't like Dennard or Minnifield. Minnifield is strictly a zone corner and Dennard is slow and overly physical, which will get penalties called on him. Plus, he has no ball skills. Otherwise, I love this CB class. Deep as hell

I hate that mock. Lol. Disagree with where Blackmon, Jeffery, Tannenhill, and Brockers for sure

If he was available, I think we'd take Brockers though.

Well I think someone trades up for the STL pick. Otherwise I do not know what the heck they do. They just drafted Jason Smith and their other OT. Smith has been a bust but its going to be hard to take another early OT. And my friend is a Redskins fan that I did it with. He really thinks they like him. But its early. As for Jeffery, eh he just looks like a Jax player and they need a WR desperately.

I could see us taking a WR if it went something like that. Though I would be irate if we did.

wolfkaosaun
01-30-2012, 08:21 PM
Now lets say the draft goes this way but the Jets take Richardson right in front of us. What do we do at 17?

I think the Bengals should take Jenkins if Richardson is gone. They can get Glenn with their 2nd pick and would upgrade their line pretty well.

I think Jenkins is the 2nd biggest need behind OG

CloeHokie
01-30-2012, 08:25 PM
Our Safties are not good. Nelson is a FA so we better sign him. Otherwise I am not a Crocker fan.

eoxyod
01-30-2012, 08:35 PM
Well I think someone trades up for the STL pick. Otherwise I do not know what the heck they do. They just drafted Jason Smith and their other OT. Smith has been a bust but its going to be hard to take another early OT. And my friend is a Redskins fan that I did it with. He really thinks they like him. But its early. As for Jeffery, eh he just looks like a Jax player and they need a WR desperately.

I could see us taking a WR if it went something like that. Though I would be irate if we did.
I just think Tannenhill is just all potential right now. He needs to develop for a little while. And Jeffery is too fat. Lol. That'll drop him

The only WR I'd want to take in the first is Kendall Wright. And that's if no one else is available
Our Safties are not good. Nelson is a FA so we better sign him. Otherwise I am not a Crocker fan.
too bad there are no safeties in this draft really worth anything. Bleh

CloeHokie
01-30-2012, 08:42 PM
I just think Tannenhill is just all potential right now. He needs to develop for a little while. And Jeffery is too fat. Lol. That'll drop him

The only WR I'd want to take in the first is Kendall Wright. And that's if no one else is available

too bad there are no safeties in this draft really worth anything. Bleh

Jeffery has looked chuncky but he is still a top guy as of now. I think he still goes in the first. Maybe swap Flloyd and Jeffery.

I agree but you never know. I mean 2 QBs went way higher than I thought last year.

Reminds me of the year that S from Miami was the only one with a 1st round grade. And that was only because he was the only decent one. Cant remember his name right now dammit.

Are there no guys later at S worth looking at?

eoxyod
01-30-2012, 09:42 PM
Jeffery has looked chuncky but he is still a top guy as of now. I think he still goes in the first. Maybe swap Flloyd and Jeffery.

I agree but you never know. I mean 2 QBs went way higher than I thought last year.

Reminds me of the year that S from Miami was the only one with a 1st round grade. And that was only because he was the only decent one. Cant remember his name right now dammit.

Are there no guys later at S worth looking at?
I think teams will look at Sea Mike Williams and shy away from him. He won't be able to be separation like he should

I still think Weeden goes in the first. I know it's crazy, but his age is his only big problem

The only safety who looks useful is Martin from OK State. And do you meam Meriweather from a while ago? He is so terrible. Lol

Bengal Dude
01-30-2012, 10:34 PM
We definitely need to take a CB with one of our first three picks, if we don't address it in free agency. You never know what a player will be like after an Achilles injury, Clements played okay, but he wasn't good at the end with San Fran. I think he got lucky this year, but we need a new Joseph.

savagehenry54
01-30-2012, 11:04 PM
We definitely need to take a CB with one of our first three picks, if we don't address it in free agency. You never know what a player will be like after an Achilles injury, Clements played okay, but he wasn't good at the end with San Fran. I think he got lucky this year, but we need a new Joseph.

Yea, I agree, seems like they def need to get a CB for the exact reasons you said, that's exactly how I see it.

Reading the reports on the guys who should still be there when we pick I liked Minnifield but after watching tape idk. I love him against the run but he worries me against the pass. I watched a little tape on Kirkpatrick too and wasn't blown away but with both guys it was pretty limited what I was able to find so they could both well be better than I was able to ascertain in what I did see.

I gotta stop watching tape cuz I'm gonna end up not liking anyone lol. Just watched some of Barron and Martin and now I dont' think I like either one of them either, even though I want a safety. Barron I like against the pass but not so much against the run, Martin didn't impress me in either phase but again, same as the other guys, what I was able to find was fairly limited.

Bengal Dude
01-30-2012, 11:19 PM
Yea, I agree, seems like they def need to get a CB for the exact reasons you said, that's exactly how I see it.

Reading the reports on the guys who should still be there when we pick I liked Minnifield but after watching tape idk. I love him against the run but he worries me against the pass. I watched a little tape on Kirkpatrick too and wasn't blown away but with both guys it was pretty limited what I was able to find so they could both well be better than I was able to ascertain in what I did see.

I gotta stop watching tape cuz I'm gonna end up not liking anyone lol. Just watched some of Barron and Martin and now I dont' think I like either one of them either, even though I want a safety. Barron I like against the pass but not so much against the run, Martin didn't impress me in either phase but again, same as the other guys, what I was able to find was fairly limited.

I've been like that when watching videos of prospects. I'll like absolutely nothing about them.

cinc4ever1
01-30-2012, 11:37 PM
I've been like that when watching videos of prospects. I'll like absolutely nothing about them.



Seems everone is starting to talk about the draft, and me..well i have not really caught up on all the prospects, and missed the senior bowl as well.

But I do beleive we would be nuts not to draft a CB high.

henrizzle
01-31-2012, 01:13 AM
A shutdown corner (or one close) is a necessity in Zim's defense. If Richardson isn't there, then I say we go CB/OG if DeCastro is already off the board or vice versa if he isn't.

henrizzle
01-31-2012, 01:37 AM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/517hI2iCrhL._AA300_.jpg

CloeHokie
01-31-2012, 11:17 AM
I think teams will look at Sea Mike Williams and shy away from him. He won't be able to be separation like he should

I still think Weeden goes in the first. I know it's crazy, but his age is his only big problem

The only safety who looks useful is Martin from OK State. And do you meam Meriweather from a while ago? He is so terrible. Lol

But his age is HUGE. He is 7-8 years older than other QBs.

Would you expect a 20-21 year old QB to be better than he is now after 7 years of learning in the NFL? That is how I look at a first round QB or pick in general. You expect them to be on your team for a long time. He has 5-6 years of service. And as I said any other guy with first round potential has WAY more value. Weeden should do good in interviews. He is OLD. Like I said. I would look at Tannehill who is 5-6 years younger and expect him to be far greater when he is 28 than Weeden is now. I am not buying a first round pick for him at all.

No it was not Meriweather. I know the Giants took him. Hmmmmm.

eoxyod
01-31-2012, 11:28 AM
A shutdown corner (or one close) is a necessity in Zim's defense. If Richardson isn't there, then I say we go CB/OG if DeCastro is already off the board or vice versa if he isn't.
Heavily disagree. CB is the most important position on the team
But his age is HUGE. He is 7-8 years older than other QBs.

Would you expect a 20-21 year old QB to be better than he is now after 7 years of learning in the NFL? That is how I look at a first round QB or pick in general. You expect them to be on your team for a long time. He has 5-6 years of service. And as I said any other guy with first round potential has WAY more value. Weeden should do good in interviews. He is OLD. Like I said. I would look at Tannehill who is 5-6 years younger and expect him to be far greater when he is 28 than Weeden is now. I am not buying a first round pick for him at all.

No it was not Meriweather. I know the Giants took him. Hmmmmm.
If I think he can lead my team to a SB, I'll take him even with 7-8 years of service. Better than a bust who gives you a poor 2.

And Kenny Phillips

CloeHokie
01-31-2012, 11:39 AM
Heavily disagree. CB is the most important position on the team

If I think he can lead my team to a SB, I'll take him even with 7-8 years of service. Better than a bust who gives you a poor 2.

And Kenny Phillips

Well I just mean all the things you hear about how great he is in interviews etc. Being the best at the SB. I would hope that he would be given his age. And I would also think that I could get a younger guy that would be better than he is and in his prime at 28. Weeden is still a rookie in the NFL and in no way would be in his prime as a player for a few years at least. I think he could step in earlier as a result of his maturity and patience but I would just want to train and develop a QB with getting to his peak at an earlier age. I hear you, but I am not buying a team investing a 1st rounder on a 28 year old.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!

Kenny Phillips! Good call. That was an awful S class as well.

So what do we do about S then? I heard Coyle may go after Nelson. <_<

Leave us ALONE MIAMI! Lol.

Here are the FA. There are a few in there that could help and may not be re signed. Ugh.

Safeties

Tyvon Branch
LaRon Landry
Dashon Goldson
Michael Griffin
Dwight Lowery
Thomas DeCoud
Jim Leonhard
Brandon Meriweather
Reggie Smith
Sean Jones
Mike Adams
Chris Harris
Reggie Nelson
Brodney Pool
Husain Abdullah
Tom Zbikowski
Jordan Babineaux
Madieu Williams
James Sanders
Steve Gregory
Abram Elam
Deon Grant
Tyrell Johnson
Dominique Barber
Jarrad Page
Craig Steltz
Erik Coleman
Bob Sanders
Haruki Nakamura
Anthony Smith
Jarrett Bush
Derrick Martin
Chris Hope
Craig Dahl
Atari Bigby
Corey Lynch
Gibril Wilson
Bryan Scott
Quintin Demps
Paul Oliver
Matt Giordano
Nathan Jones
James Ihedigbo
Courtney Greene
Hamza Abdullah
Antwaun Molden
Jon McGraw
Sean Considine
Sabby Piscitelli
Lito Sheppard
Randy Phillips
C.C. Brown
Myron Rolle

eoxyod
01-31-2012, 11:51 AM
I'd take the top 3 on that list without hesitation. I'm pretty meh on Griffen, but he's better than what we have. Of course I'd want Nelson back too. Safeties typically don't cost much either, so we should be able to get one of the top ones

CloeHokie
01-31-2012, 11:56 AM
I'd take the top 3 on that list without hesitation. I'm pretty meh on Griffen, but he's better than what we have. Of course I'd want Nelson back too. Safeties typically don't cost much either, so we should be able to get one of the top ones

Agree. I would def take Griffen over Croker and Co. I thought Huff was going to be a FA? Did he get re signed?

Just noticed Madeu Williams on the list. Lol

eoxyod
01-31-2012, 11:56 AM
Agree. I would def take Griffen over Croker and Co. I thought Huff was going to be a FA? Did he get re signed?

Just noticed Madeu Williams on the list. Lol

Huff was re-signed for a few years, I believe

henrizzle
01-31-2012, 11:58 AM
Heavily disagree. CB is the most important position on the team
Eh? i agree with you

eoxyod
01-31-2012, 12:01 PM
Eh? i agree with you

I read isn't :X

CloeHokie
01-31-2012, 12:17 PM
Huff was re-signed for a few years, I believe

Yeah, he was dammit. Just found it on Roto archives.

And after looking at this draft class if we do not take the 1st rounder who I think is over valued then we have to do something in FA.

I think S and getting a #2 WR should be our main goals in FA. As well as getting some help at OG. However we should be able to get solid OG in rounds 1 as well as 2.

eoxyod
01-31-2012, 12:26 PM
Yeah, he was dammit. Just found it on Roto archives.

And after looking at this draft class if we do not take the 1st rounder who I think is over valued then we have to do something in FA.

I think S and getting a #2 WR should be our main goals in FA. As well as getting some help at OG. However we should be able to get solid OG in rounds 1 as well as 2.

I'd rather get a G ir S in FA because WR is so deep. There are guys who will be available in the 2nd who I'd want.

CloeHokie
01-31-2012, 12:32 PM
I'd rather get a G ir S in FA because WR is so deep. There are guys who will be available in the 2nd who I'd want.

Yeah, I think we have to get a FA S though.

Steeler Eater
01-31-2012, 12:33 PM
Yeah, I think we have to get a FA S though.

If this was JN, your post would be followed by 8-10 posts drooling over Laron Landrys junk.

CloeHokie
01-31-2012, 12:36 PM
If this was JN, your post would be followed by 8-10 posts drooling over Laron Landrys junk.

Hahahahaha. I would take him though. There are really no S in this draft that could step in and play. Maybe the first round S whose name eludes me but it seems early to take him.

eoxyod
01-31-2012, 01:38 PM
Hahahahaha. I would take him though. There are really no S in this draft that could step in and play. Maybe the first round S whose name eludes me but it seems early to take him.

I don't like Barron. We need someone who is good in coverage. Barron is part of a dying breed of safeties better in the box

CloeHokie
01-31-2012, 01:39 PM
I don't like Barron. We need someone who is good in coverage. Barron is part of a dying breed of safeties better in the box

Ah yes Barron. Agreed. Man I wish we had Earl Thomas somehow. :lol:

I do not think Mays or Sands are the answer either.

eoxyod
01-31-2012, 01:42 PM
Ah yes Barron. Agreed. Man I wish we had Earl Thomas somehow. :lol:

I do not think Mays or Sands are the answer either.

mmmm Earl Thomas......

CloeHokie
01-31-2012, 01:44 PM
mmmm Earl Thomas......

I tried to trade for him in Madden but they want soooooo much. Had to give up.

eoxyod
01-31-2012, 01:50 PM
I tried to trade for him in Madden but they want soooooo much. Had to give up.

Dude's a boss. I remember being so depressed when the Seahawks got him

Megalicious23
01-31-2012, 01:50 PM
I tried to trade for him in Madden but they want soooooo much. Had to give up.
every. time. I come in here. Madden.

CloeHokie
01-31-2012, 01:54 PM
every. time. I come in here. Madden.

At least we are not pervs. :lol:

eoxyod
01-31-2012, 01:55 PM
At least we are not pervs. :lol:

*fap*

CloeHokie
01-31-2012, 01:59 PM
*fap*

There goes that theory. Hahahaha

Bengal Dude
01-31-2012, 03:13 PM
Dude's a boss. I remember being so depressed when the Seahawks got him

Seattle idolizes him.

CloeHokie
01-31-2012, 03:30 PM
Seattle idolizes him.

I wish he would have fallen. We have so many problems at S. Lol

eoxyod
01-31-2012, 04:25 PM
Klotsch is so f'd up right now. What the hell is goin on out there? Lol

Orange and Black Attack
01-31-2012, 05:31 PM
Klotsch is so f'd up right now. What the hell is goin on out there? Lol

It's the end of the world as we know it...

CloeHokie
01-31-2012, 05:34 PM
Klotsch is so f'd up right now. What the hell is goin on out there? Lol

What happened now? Lol. Eh, as long as we have the Lounge to talk about football and our other dumb things I don't care.

henrizzle
01-31-2012, 07:54 PM
What happened now? Lol. Eh, as long as we have the Lounge to talk about football and our other dumb things I don't care.
Mikey went kamakazie on the boards in the name of Joefromflo

DennyG2
01-31-2012, 07:56 PM
Klotsch is so f'd up right now. What the hell is goin on out there? Lol

What happened now? Lol. Eh, as long as we have the Lounge to talk about football and our other dumb things I don't care.

Why do you think that about Klotsch?

eoxyod
01-31-2012, 09:54 PM
Why do you think that about Klotsch?

Everyone's gone crazy. Mikey brought up the whatever and people are confusing with how they're addressing it, when they really shouldn't care. Lol

CloeHokie
01-31-2012, 09:56 PM
Why do you think that about Klotsch?

Everyone's gone crazy. Mikey brought up the whatever and people are confusing with how they're addressing it, when they really shouldn't care. Lol

That. Then a bunch of people starting threads about it and spreading stuff they should have just PMd a mod about in the first place.

Bengal Dude
01-31-2012, 10:13 PM
The Lounge is our bomb shelter.

CloeHokie
01-31-2012, 10:16 PM
The Lounge is our bomb shelter.

Hahahahaahaha.

So BD what do you think we do in FA?

After looking at draft info it is going to be hard to get a starting S anywhere but FA

Bengal Dude
01-31-2012, 10:19 PM
Hahahahaahaha.

So BD what do you think we do in FA?

After looking at draft info it is going to be hard to get a starting S anywhere but FA

I think we'll make a decent signing. A good player, but some will hype him as a savior. I would like to land Tyvon Branch from Oakland.

CloeHokie
01-31-2012, 10:26 PM
I think we'll make a decent signing. A good player, but some will hype him as a savior. I would like to land Tyvon Branch from Oakland.

Branch would be solid. We have to get a good S. Crocker is garbage and there is no one to draft.

Bengal Dude
01-31-2012, 10:29 PM
Branch would be solid. We have to get a good S. Crocker is garbage and there is no one to draft.

I like Branch because he was a CB in college. He has coverage abilities and plays well against the run. I like Mays and Sands, but I don't see them as an answer for us. It doesn't help that Coyle may want Reggie in Miami with him.

henrizzle
01-31-2012, 10:34 PM
I think we'll make a decent signing. A good player, but some will hype him as a savior. I would like to land Tyvon Branch from Oakland.
They'll be seen as a savior because anything is better than what we have now :lol:

Bengal Dude
01-31-2012, 10:37 PM
They'll be seen as a savior because anything is better than what we have now :lol:

I just dislike our knack for signing role players and hoping they turn into stud playmakers.

CloeHokie
01-31-2012, 10:38 PM
I like Branch because he was a CB in college. He has coverage abilities and plays well against the run. I like Mays and Sands, but I don't see them as an answer for us. It doesn't help that Coyle may want Reggie in Miami with him.

I heard that as well but we should be able to give him the same offer and we have the better team for once.

And I agree about Mays and Sands. Good ST guys at least.

Bengal Dude
01-31-2012, 10:43 PM
I heard that as well but we should be able to give him the same offer and we have the better team for once.

And I agree about Mays and Sands. Good ST guys at least.

We just need Mike Brown to actually spend money. I could see him just re-signing players to big deals and leaving us dumbfounded, again.

CloeHokie
01-31-2012, 10:45 PM
We just need Mike Brown to actually spend money. I could see him just re-signing players to big deals and leaving us dumbfounded, again.

Well the floor rule is coming up soon so we have to start spending some money soon. We have been trying lately in FA.

Bengal Dude
01-31-2012, 10:48 PM
Well the floor rule is coming up soon so we have to start spending some money soon. We have been trying lately in FA.

I'm hoping the "sitting back and letting the dust settle" comment was just a smokescreen. That is such a stupid method. You don't need to go Daniel Snyder in free agency, but a playmaker or two would help so much.

CloeHokie
01-31-2012, 10:57 PM
I'm hoping the "sitting back and letting the dust settle" comment was just a smokescreen. That is such a stupid method. You don't need to go Daniel Snyder in free agency, but a playmaker or two would help so much.

I can't wait for the kicking the tires Hobson fluff article. Hhahahahahaah

We are not that far away but we do need a few good FAs that can improve our O line and secondary.

eoxyod
01-31-2012, 10:59 PM
It's too bad there aren't really any true playmakers set to hit FA, because that's what the D needs more than anything. However, I still severely want Stephon Gilmore and Tyvon Branch

Steeler Eater
01-31-2012, 10:59 PM
I can't wait for the kicking the tires Hobson fluff article. Hhahahahahaah

We are not that far away but we do need a few good FAs that can improve our O line and secondary.

Well be kicking the tires on teams 5th CBs and 3rd string Guards that can also play Tackle.

Steeler Eater
01-31-2012, 11:00 PM
It's too bad there aren't really any true playmakers set to hit FA, because that's what the D needs more than anything. However, I still severely want Stephon Gilmore and Tyvon Branch

Hasn't Gilmore worked his way into the middle to late 1st here lately?

Bengal Dude
01-31-2012, 11:01 PM
I can't wait for the kicking the tires Hobson fluff article. Hhahahahahaah

We are not that far away but we do need a few good FAs that can improve our O line and secondary.

They can't do that to us again. We tore that junk apart when we first read it.

It's too bad there aren't really any true playmakers set to hit FA, because that's what the D needs more than anything. However, I still severely want Stephon Gilmore and Tyvon Branch

Isn't Gilmore the SC corner?

eoxyod
01-31-2012, 11:05 PM
Hasn't Gilmore worked his way into the middle to late 1st here lately?
Late first, yea

Isn't Gilmore the SC corner?

Yeah. And beginning a week ago he is my draft man crush

Bengal Dude
01-31-2012, 11:09 PM
Late first, yea


Yeah. And beginning a week ago he is my draft man crush

I thought so. I'd be happy with him.

Steeler Eater
01-31-2012, 11:17 PM
I was pleased when we took another CB from South Carolina a few years ago, one can only hope if we snag him he can be at that level.

Bengal Dude
01-31-2012, 11:25 PM
I was pleased when we took another CB from South Carolina a few years ago, one can only hope if we snag him he can be at that level.

I remember so many people here were just like, "huh," when we took Joseph.

cinc4ever1
02-01-2012, 01:04 AM
LOL!

As always i miss all the discussions.

Just been so freaking busy as of late.


But to put in my input I would love to get Branch. Landry I like as well, but still feel ify about his health. And keeping Nelson is a must. We let him go and we are opening the door for yet another major hole to fill. That is why I feel like we will find a way to keep him. We just can't go into the offseason searching for a starting FS and SS.

savagehenry54
02-01-2012, 01:41 AM
I don't like Barron. We need someone who is good in coverage. Barron is part of a dying breed of safeties better in the box

How much of tape/live game action of him have you watched?

What I've seen of him, I def prefer his ability vs. the pass to his run defense. Not saying he can't lay a good hit but I've seen him miss several tackles he should have made. To me, a safety worth taking in the first should consistently make tackles they are in position to make. Especially if they're going to get that "in the box" tag on them. I was much more impressed by his ability to make plays on the ball when it's in the air than his run defense for sho.

savagehenry54
02-01-2012, 01:46 AM
I like Branch because he was a CB in college. He has coverage abilities and plays well against the run. I like Mays and Sands, but I don't see them as an answer for us. It doesn't help that Coyle may want Reggie in Miami with him.

Sounds like a winner I'll take him. I've preferred him to Landry ever since I realized Landry ended the last two years on IR. And I want him even more now, sight unseen (really haven't seen him play much) after watching tape of Barron and finding Barron's run defense to be suspect, from what I saw anyway. At any rate, even if Branch is being over hyped right now, I'll take an overhyped NFL vet over an overhyped potential draft bust any day. Not saying Barron may not end up being a player, but he definitely doesn't make me drool or anything so give me the guy who's already proven at this level.

henrizzle
02-01-2012, 03:20 PM
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0404/nfl_u_flacco_bl_200.jpg
derp

eoxyod
02-01-2012, 03:38 PM
How much of tape/live game action of him have you watched?

What I've seen of him, I def prefer his ability vs. the pass to his run defense. Not saying he can't lay a good hit but I've seen him miss several tackles he should have made. To me, a safety worth taking in the first should consistently make tackles they are in position to make. Especially if they're going to get that "in the box" tag on them. I was much more impressed by his ability to make plays on the ball when it's in the air than his run defense for sho.

Watched 4 specific games. His cover skills are going to be meh, and he isn't the best tackler, but he's better against the run. I think a safety in this day's NFL needs to either be an excellent center fielder like Earl Thomas or an all around goodness like Eric Berry

CloeHokie
02-01-2012, 03:56 PM
Watched 4 specific games. His cover skills are going to be meh, and he isn't the best tackler, but he's better against the run. I think a safety in this day's NFL needs to either be an excellent center fielder like Earl Thomas or an all around goodness like Eric Berry

Forgot about Berry. Stinks he got hurt. He had such an amazing rookie season.

savagehenry54
02-02-2012, 01:30 AM
Watched 4 specific games. His cover skills are going to be meh, and he isn't the best tackler, but he's better against the run. I think a safety in this day's NFL needs to either be an excellent center fielder like Earl Thomas or an all around goodness like Eric Berry

Hmm, so basically if he's the best this year, it sounds like slim pickins at safety. I would take a true "in the box" guy, especially in Zimmer's system cuz he knows how to use them effectively. Like when Roy Williams first got here and was healthy for like 5 games. He was whackin' fools in the run game.

A versatile guy is nice and certainly preferable but also are more difficult to find. I think there's still a place in the league for a SS who can be an effective hammer in the run game. Especially on a team with mediocre LBs like ours.

cinc4ever1
02-03-2012, 12:00 AM
I see everyone talking about the draft, offseason, etc... but I have just yet to get into the hype.

I truly don't know what is wrong with me. Maybe once it gets a bit closer I will talk about it more. Just so many subjects have been beaten to death.:lol:

Cortland Fin, Carl Nicks, or Grubbs , and a decent WR and I'm a very happy camper heading into the draft.

eoxyod
02-03-2012, 12:51 AM
I see everyone talking about the draft, offseason, etc... but I have just yet to get into the hype.

I truly don't know what is wrong with me. Maybe once it gets a bit closer I will talk about it more. Just so many subjects have been beaten to death.:lol:

Cortland Fin, Carl Nicks, or Grubbs , and a decent WR and I'm a very happy camper heading into the draft.

It's the only thing we have left, so we have to be hyped

I just can't wait for Rod Woodson to be our secondary coach (Hopefully)

eoxyod
02-03-2012, 12:52 AM
Hmm, so basically if he's the best this year, it sounds like slim pickins at safety. I would take a true "in the box" guy, especially in Zimmer's system cuz he knows how to use them effectively. Like when Roy Williams first got here and was healthy for like 5 games. He was whackin' fools in the run game.

A versatile guy is nice and certainly preferable but also are more difficult to find. I think there's still a place in the league for a SS who can be an effective hammer in the run game. Especially on a team with mediocre LBs like ours.

The only safety I kind of like s Martin, but only in maybe the 3rd. Meh

And I disagree with the last part. The lack of a cover safety has killed us forever. Every other one of our safeties can play the run well, but only Nelson could cover competently. Hell, Mays can be effective in the box. But a center fielder is much more important

savagehenry54
02-03-2012, 05:52 AM
The only safety I kind of like s Martin, but only in maybe the 3rd. Meh

And I disagree with the last part. The lack of a cover safety has killed us forever. Every other one of our safeties can play the run well, but only Nelson could cover competently. Hell, Mays can be effective in the box. But a center fielder is much more important

The way teams sling the ball around these days I understand where you're coming from.

Thing is, if all our safeties were playing the run well, I can't tell. When Williams first got here in 09.... that's a safety playing the run well. I ain't seen it before or since in stripes.(except for Fulcher)

In fact, it's rare to begin with. But it's beautiful when it happens. A SS that annihilates ball carriers in the middle of the field, be it a rushing attempt or a dump off reception.

Situation defense will account for a lot of what the offense is trying to do. When three receivers or less are on the field....Gimmee a SS who will smack your Ray Rice or LeSean McCoy in the face in short order.

Bengal Dude
02-03-2012, 09:09 AM
I see everyone talking about the draft, offseason, etc... but I have just yet to get into the hype.

I truly don't know what is wrong with me. Maybe once it gets a bit closer I will talk about it more. Just so many subjects have been beaten to death.:lol:

Cortland Fin, Carl Nicks, or Grubbs , and a decent WR and I'm a very happy camper heading into the draft.

I think the offseason will be key to get hyped for the draft. If we sit on our hands and sign no one exciting, then the draft won't be as exciting since we'll know that we're heading into the season with some unfilled holes.

cinc4ever1
02-03-2012, 06:39 PM
I think the offseason will be key to get hyped for the draft. If we sit on our hands and sign no one exciting, then the draft won't be as exciting since we'll know that we're heading into the season with some unfilled holes.

Your right that is the key to a more exciting draft. But I do think we will sign a few players, just don't know if it will be anything out the ordinary. Last year we went after a few decent named players, and were more active then most offseasons. But you have to wonder if it had more to do with the shortened offseason.

So I think we plug a hole with a vet call him a starter, and draft for the future and maybe a few starters for the upcpming season. I still question if we have our stater at SS or not, we never did figure that out. Also I will have my eye on Simpson.

savagehenry54
02-04-2012, 09:18 AM
Your right that is the key to a more exciting draft. But I do think we will sign a few players, just don't know if it will be anything out the ordinary. Last year we went after a few decent named players, and were more active then most offseasons. But you have to wonder if it had more to do with the shortened offseason.

So I think we plug a hole with a vet call him a starter, and draft for the future and maybe a few starters for the upcpming season. I still question if we have our stater at SS or not, we never did figure that out. Also I will have my eye on Simpson.

I think we'll go after Branch and maybe Nicks. We've got the salary floor coming into play and even when that wasn't a factor last year we tried to get Whitner and Lutui. We upgrade our starters at SS and LG, that frees us up to go corner and running back in the first and we could still get a really good guard prospect in the second to be the heir apparent for Bobbie Williams at RG. In my dreams we sign Micheal Bush along with the aforementioned players and get a corner 17 and then go best front seven defender available at 21.

If I'm Mike Brown, that's exactly what I'd do. I'd sign Branch, Bush and Nicks, then go corner at 17, best front seven defender available at 21, best interior offensive lineman available at 53 in the second......Boom, Super Bowl LOL.

Scarlet&Orange
02-04-2012, 10:44 AM
I remember so many people here were just like, "huh," when we took Joseph.

I actually really liked Joseph then, he had good coverage corner written all over him. I just wondered if we could coach him up because IIRC he was still a bit raw.

Scarlet&Orange
02-04-2012, 11:42 AM
It seems most of us in here are pretty much on the same page, at least in the same neighborhood anyway. I'd like to have Griffin or Landry but Branch is a guy who I think is capable at SS and an upgrade. Plays very well in the box though hasn't shown his ability to cover as well as maybe he should have to this point. Don't get me wrong he's not been a big problem in Oakland in that regard but he hasn't been as good as I think his talent says he should be. Barron isn't really a target for me in the 1st but in a worse case scenario he's IMO still an upgrade. Yes he likes to hit instead of tackle (something I'd hope Zimmer could get him to stop) and his coverage ability at the NFL level isn't much more than like Eoxy said "meh" but considering what we have had lately he has enough instinct to become a similar player to Branch (well the Branch we have seen to this point anyway).

At OG Nicks is clearly the cream of the crop but Grubbs I think has gotten a bad rap over a couple of poor performances lately. After those 2 I actually think Chilo Rachal has some game in him he really reminds me alot of Bobbie Williams when he came to Cincy. I'd be content with Rachal at RG if we could get another starter at LG. I'm afraid we are gonna have to live with a guy like Rachal being the only major addition to the O-line. The Bengals hate investing 1st round or FA money on interior OL (and not surprisingly Safety as well).

I don't see the need for a FA WR unless the Bengals are gonna give up on Simpson which is I guess a possibility. I mean the guy has come this far, why shouldn't we expect him to improve further (especially if Gruden has anything to do with it) and I think he will be cheaper than most FA WR's. But if they want to part ways with him I see Mario Manningham as the proper guy to go after. The Giants now have Nicks and Cruz at WR and most likely won't want to pay Manningham a big salary to boot. Plus he fits into this style of offense almost perfectly.

RB is a big problem and I think a place where the Bengals are ready to invest heavily now. I doubt they are capable of getting one of those Elite FA's who will no doubt be retained. Though ya gotta wonder if Forte isn't a possibility with the way the Bears have flinched at giving him a LTC and then he got injured which kind of further strengthened their position. But if they don't they are gonna have to get a good one in the draft and I haven't seen enough of the RB's to get a clear read on anyone just yet. Beyond Richardson that is, but I think he goes to the Jets right before at worst. I'd trade up a couple spots to secure his services if I haven't gotten one in FA, but again I haven't seen enough of the other RB's (except Polk and Rainey) to feel confident or not in them.

CB I need to take a look at this Gilmore a bit more apparently because after Claibourne and Jenkins I'm not enthralled with the others so far (Kirkpatrick mainly). And I doubt they go out and get a FA because they have Clements and Hall under contract for another season. They know they need someone who can run down the field with some of these guys like Wallace but I think they believe they can get by without spending big there one more year. But they will likely take a corner in the 1st I think.

LB I think we need a talent infusion at. I really like Hightower in the draft, so far I have yet to find anything about him that I don't like. I'm waiting for combine numbers to backup what I think about him, he's got it all. This isn't a serious area of need because I think we can get by without a major addition but sooner or later something has to give here. And the fact the Bengals shy away form OG's and Safeties in the 1st and if Richardson is gone I can see a CB and something other than obvious in the 1st.

(In addition to re-signing our key FA's)
IMO Ideal - Nicks, Griffin, Forte, DeCastro, Jenkins (perhaps Gilmore)
IMO Content - 2 orh 3 of the above and some combination of below
IMO Acceptable though not sure it will make us better enough - Rachal, Branch, (RB?), possibly Gilmore, Hightower (amongst some others)
IMO Not acceptable- Livings, Williams, Bush/Lynch etc., Kirkpatrick/Dennard, Crocker or someone Similar

cinc4ever1
02-04-2012, 09:32 PM
I think we'll go after Branch and maybe Nicks. We've got the salary floor coming into play and even when that wasn't a factor last year we tried to get Whitner and Lutui. We upgrade our starters at SS and LG, that frees us up to go corner and running back in the first and we could still get a really good guard prospect in the second to be the heir apparent for Bobbie Williams at RG. In my dreams we sign Micheal Bush along with the aforementioned players and get a corner 17 and then go best front seven defender available at 21.

If I'm Mike Brown, that's exactly what I'd do. I'd sign Branch, Bush and Nicks, then go corner at 17, best front seven defender available at 21, best interior offensive lineman available at 53 in the second......Boom, Super Bowl LOL.


You have the same ideas as I do. But it will be derby for Nicks who will comand alot of money.

CloeHokie
02-04-2012, 09:45 PM
It seems most of us in here are pretty much on the same page, at least in the same neighborhood anyway. I'd like to have Griffin or Landry but Branch is a guy who I think is capable at SS and an upgrade. Plays very well in the box though hasn't shown his ability to cover as well as maybe he should have to this point. Don't get me wrong he's not been a big problem in Oakland in that regard but he hasn't been as good as I think his talent says he should be. Barron isn't really a target for me in the 1st but in a worse case scenario he's IMO still an upgrade. Yes he likes to hit instead of tackle (something I'd hope Zimmer could get him to stop) and his coverage ability at the NFL level isn't much more than like Eoxy said "meh" but considering what we have had lately he has enough instinct to become a similar player to Branch (well the Branch we have seen to this point anyway).

At OG Nicks is clearly the cream of the crop but Grubbs I think has gotten a bad rap over a couple of poor performances lately. After those 2 I actually think Chilo Rachal has some game in him he really reminds me alot of Bobbie Williams when he came to Cincy. I'd be content with Rachal at RG if we could get another starter at LG. I'm afraid we are gonna have to live with a guy like Rachal being the only major addition to the O-line. The Bengals hate investing 1st round or FA money on interior OL (and not surprisingly Safety as well).

I don't see the need for a FA WR unless the Bengals are gonna give up on Simpson which is I guess a possibility. I mean the guy has come this far, why shouldn't we expect him to improve further (especially if Gruden has anything to do with it) and I think he will be cheaper than most FA WR's. But if they want to part ways with him I see Mario Manningham as the proper guy to go after. The Giants now have Nicks and Cruz at WR and most likely won't want to pay Manningham a big salary to boot. Plus he fits into this style of offense almost perfectly.

RB is a big problem and I think a place where the Bengals are ready to invest heavily now. I doubt they are capable of getting one of those Elite FA's who will no doubt be retained. Though ya gotta wonder if Forte isn't a possibility with the way the Bears have flinched at giving him a LTC and then he got injured which kind of further strengthened their position. But if they don't they are gonna have to get a good one in the draft and I haven't seen enough of the RB's to get a clear read on anyone just yet. Beyond Richardson that is, but I think he goes to the Jets right before at worst. I'd trade up a couple spots to secure his services if I haven't gotten one in FA, but again I haven't seen enough of the other RB's (except Polk and Rainey) to feel confident or not in them.

CB I need to take a look at this Gilmore a bit more apparently because after Claibourne and Jenkins I'm not enthralled with the others so far (Kirkpatrick mainly). And I doubt they go out and get a FA because they have Clements and Hall under contract for another season. They know they need someone who can run down the field with some of these guys like Wallace but I think they believe they can get by without spending big there one more year. But they will likely take a corner in the 1st I think.

LB I think we need a talent infusion at. I really like Hightower in the draft, so far I have yet to find anything about him that I don't like. I'm waiting for combine numbers to backup what I think about him, he's got it all. This isn't a serious area of need because I think we can get by without a major addition but sooner or later something has to give here. And the fact the Bengals shy away form OG's and Safeties in the 1st and if Richardson is gone I can see a CB and something other than obvious in the 1st.

(In addition to re-signing our key FA's)
IMO Ideal - Nicks, Griffin, Forte, DeCastro, Jenkins (perhaps Gilmore)
IMO Content - 2 orh 3 of the above and some combination of below
IMO Acceptable though not sure it will make us better enough - Rachal, Branch, (RB?), possibly Gilmore, Hightower (amongst some others)
IMO Not acceptable- Livings, Williams, Bush/Lynch etc., Kirkpatrick/Dennard, Crocker or someone Similar

Great post! I agree with all of it. Well almost all. Lol

eoxyod
02-04-2012, 10:05 PM
It seems most of us in here are pretty much on the same page, at least in the same neighborhood anyway. I'd like to have Griffin or Landry but Branch is a guy who I think is capable at SS and an upgrade. Plays very well in the box though hasn't shown his ability to cover as well as maybe he should have to this point. Don't get me wrong he's not been a big problem in Oakland in that regard but he hasn't been as good as I think his talent says he should be. Barron isn't really a target for me in the 1st but in a worse case scenario he's IMO still an upgrade. Yes he likes to hit instead of tackle (something I'd hope Zimmer could get him to stop) and his coverage ability at the NFL level isn't much more than like Eoxy said "meh" but considering what we have had lately he has enough instinct to become a similar player to Branch (well the Branch we have seen to this point anyway).

At OG Nicks is clearly the cream of the crop but Grubbs I think has gotten a bad rap over a couple of poor performances lately. After those 2 I actually think Chilo Rachal has some game in him he really reminds me alot of Bobbie Williams when he came to Cincy. I'd be content with Rachal at RG if we could get another starter at LG. I'm afraid we are gonna have to live with a guy like Rachal being the only major addition to the O-line. The Bengals hate investing 1st round or FA money on interior OL (and not surprisingly Safety as well).

I don't see the need for a FA WR unless the Bengals are gonna give up on Simpson which is I guess a possibility. I mean the guy has come this far, why shouldn't we expect him to improve further (especially if Gruden has anything to do with it) and I think he will be cheaper than most FA WR's. But if they want to part ways with him I see Mario Manningham as the proper guy to go after. The Giants now have Nicks and Cruz at WR and most likely won't want to pay Manningham a big salary to boot. Plus he fits into this style of offense almost perfectly.

RB is a big problem and I think a place where the Bengals are ready to invest heavily now. I doubt they are capable of getting one of those Elite FA's who will no doubt be retained. Though ya gotta wonder if Forte isn't a possibility with the way the Bears have flinched at giving him a LTC and then he got injured which kind of further strengthened their position. But if they don't they are gonna have to get a good one in the draft and I haven't seen enough of the RB's to get a clear read on anyone just yet. Beyond Richardson that is, but I think he goes to the Jets right before at worst. I'd trade up a couple spots to secure his services if I haven't gotten one in FA, but again I haven't seen enough of the other RB's (except Polk and Rainey) to feel confident or not in them.

CB I need to take a look at this Gilmore a bit more apparently because after Claibourne and Jenkins I'm not enthralled with the others so far (Kirkpatrick mainly). And I doubt they go out and get a FA because they have Clements and Hall under contract for another season. They know they need someone who can run down the field with some of these guys like Wallace but I think they believe they can get by without spending big there one more year. But they will likely take a corner in the 1st I think.

LB I think we need a talent infusion at. I really like Hightower in the draft, so far I have yet to find anything about him that I don't like. I'm waiting for combine numbers to backup what I think about him, he's got it all. This isn't a serious area of need because I think we can get by without a major addition but sooner or later something has to give here. And the fact the Bengals shy away form OG's and Safeties in the 1st and if Richardson is gone I can see a CB and something other than obvious in the 1st.

(In addition to re-signing our key FA's)
IMO Ideal - Nicks, Griffin, Forte, DeCastro, Jenkins (perhaps Gilmore)
IMO Content - 2 orh 3 of the above and some combination of below
IMO Acceptable though not sure it will make us better enough - Rachal, Branch, (RB?), possibly Gilmore, Hightower (amongst some others)
IMO Not acceptable- Livings, Williams, Bush/Lynch etc., Kirkpatrick/Dennard, Crocker or someone Similar

I'm not really a fan of Rachal from what I've heard from 49er fans. That and he's had some really dreadful performances, including getting pulled for a while.

Like I've said with Gilmore, he needs some technical help but you can see the physical attributes and college production

This LB class is kind of underwhelming. The MLB class is dreadful, and others are just kinda meh. I think Upshaw would be picked by Marvin if he's there because of his tweener obsession, though

savagehenry54
02-04-2012, 10:49 PM
I'm not really a fan of Rachal from what I've heard from 49er fans. That and he's had some really dreadful performances, including getting pulled for a while.

Like I've said with Gilmore, he needs some technical help but you can see the physical attributes and college production

This LB class is kind of underwhelming. The MLB class is dreadful, and others are just kinda meh. I think Upshaw would be picked by Marvin if he's there because of his tweener obsession, though

How much have you watched of Kuechly? I watched some and was not impressed. I don't care if he's not the best athlete ever if he can get it done in the game. But for all the top 15 to 20 talk he's getting I'm just like "Where's the awesome?" when I watched him. Again, as with any of these guys the tape I've watched is limited but geez, he scouting reports are glowing and I just didn't see it. He looks like a good ballplayer but I think he may be a bit over hyped.

savagehenry54
02-04-2012, 10:52 PM
You have the same ideas as I do. But it will be derby for Nicks who will comand alot of money.

Can probably count us out then LOL. Which may not be so terrible if we can at least get SS and RB addressed in FA, then you've got reportedly great prospects like DeCastro and Glenn in the draft.

cinc4ever1
02-04-2012, 11:22 PM
Can probably count us out then LOL. Which may not be so terrible if we can at least get SS and RB addressed in FA, then you've got reportedly great prospects like DeCastro and Glenn in the draft.

I would be pleased with Castro, but I get the feeling we will be out of reach. Glenn I would be fine with. Plus we have a track record of drafting Bulldogs, so it almost seems like he could be our man. Aside from the draft I still truly think we still need to sign a vet.

CloeHokie
02-04-2012, 11:25 PM
I would be pleased with Castro, but I get the feeling we will be out of reach. Glenn I would be fine with. Plus we have a track record of drafting Bulldogs, so it almost seems like he could be our man. Aside from the draft I still truly think we still need to sign a vet.

I really think Glenn seems like a Benals pick. He is huge and we love SEC guys

cinc4ever1
02-04-2012, 11:26 PM
Whats up Cloe?

cinc4ever1
02-04-2012, 11:27 PM
I really think Glenn seems like a Benals pick. He is huge and we love SEC guys


No doubt about it.

So what is that in the rep box about?

CloeHokie
02-04-2012, 11:30 PM
Its just a new forum started by Tiger Blood. Like Klotsch used to be with P+R

eoxyod
02-05-2012, 12:08 AM
How much have you watched of Kuechly? I watched some and was not impressed. I don't care if he's not the best athlete ever if he can get it done in the game. But for all the top 15 to 20 talk he's getting I'm just like "Where's the awesome?" when I watched him. Again, as with any of these guys the tape I've watched is limited but geez, he scouting reports are glowing and I just didn't see it. He looks like a good ballplayer but I think he may be a bit over hyped.

I see the same thing. He gets eaten by blocks too much and never really makes tackles at or behind the LoS

henrizzle
02-05-2012, 01:29 AM
I really think Glenn seems like a Benals pick. He is huge and we love SEC guys
Plus he versatile and can play tackle which we love. definitely a bengals pick.

savagehenry54
02-05-2012, 04:56 AM
I would be pleased with Castro, but I get the feeling we will be out of reach. Glenn I would be fine with. Plus we have a track record of drafting Bulldogs, so it almost seems like he could be our man. Aside from the draft I still truly think we still need to sign a vet.

I don't think there's any doubt that either one of the best guards coming out this year would be a tremendous upgrade over Livings. And hopefully, if we get one of them, they live up to the hype and prove to be not just an upgrade from terrible but certifiably bad a**.

Orange and Black Attack
02-05-2012, 10:15 PM
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/935818/facepalm.gif

henrizzle
02-06-2012, 02:07 AM
I go to bleacherreport sometimes for luls and get exactly that - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/690035-2011-rookie-qb-campaign-nfl-draft-booms-and-busts/page/3
This guy couldn't have been more wrong.

Orange and Black Attack
02-06-2012, 02:18 AM
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyyj8zSh2h1rnn5z6o1_500.gif

Bengal Dude
02-06-2012, 09:06 AM
Good game yesterday. Glad to see New England lose.

CloeHokie
02-06-2012, 11:40 AM
It was a good game. Crazy finish

Stewy
02-06-2012, 02:49 PM
I go to bleacherreport sometimes for luls and get exactly that - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/690035-2011-rookie-qb-campaign-nfl-draft-booms-and-busts/page/3
This guy couldn't have been more wrong.

Wow I read through that and you could have made a mint betting exactly the opposite of his BOOM/BUST predictions. I hope he doesn't get paid to do his job.

Bengal Dude
02-06-2012, 03:14 PM
It was a good game. Crazy finish

I thought Gronk came up with the ball on that Hail Mary.

henrizzle
02-07-2012, 01:12 AM
The blazers make me so sad.

P.S. Klotsch is disintegrating

Scarlet&Orange
02-07-2012, 02:28 AM
I'm not really a fan of Rachal from what I've heard from 49er fans. That and he's had some really dreadful performances, including getting pulled for a while.

Like I've said with Gilmore, he needs some technical help but you can see the physical attributes and college production

This LB class is kind of underwhelming. The MLB class is dreadful, and others are just kinda meh. I think Upshaw would be picked by Marvin if he's there because of his tweener obsession, though

Well I don't know what you have heard from 9ers fans but if it's an on the field thing perhaps it's fixable. I mean it was stated when Bobbie was a FA that he couldn't pass block but apparently the Bengals (I know bit of a shocker) was able to coach him up and fix the issue he was having, turned him into a Pro Bowl level player there for a few years. Of course we are talking about the Eagles who certainly aren't renowned for being adept at coaching up OLman. The only reason I even suggest picking up Rachal is because pickings are slim in FA and he has some solid talent to work with, he's young, may be pretty reasonably priced (i.e. in the Bengals wheelhouse), fits their mold and doesn't cost a draft pick, allowing us more room to maneuver in the draft. If I could count on the Bengals being aggressive in FA or the draft and going after a finished product then I wouldn't even bring this guy up except maybe as a backup who could surprise. But Livings is subpar and Bobbie is pretty well toast, things need done.

This scouting report sounds like a guy who has the talent to be very good but needs to improve his skills. Has things you can't teach good quickness, body control, power & decent range.

Chilo Rachal Scouting Report - Scouts, Inc.

Comment: Since being drafted by the 49rs in the second round of the 2008 draft Rachal has moved into a starting role at the right guard position in San Francisco. In 2010 he played in 15 games with 14 starts and made some nice strides as he developed his blocking skills and techniques. He is a massive, powerful drive blocker that can bend at the knees to keep his pad level down and leverage blocks. He has improved on his hand use but still needs to do a better job of keeping his hands up and ready to strike when in pass protection. He has adequate lateral range but will overextend a bit when reacting to counter moves when out in space. He shows above average initial quickness and body control when coming out on the pull but is a bit inconsistent when it comes to zeroing in on his target as he turns upfield to seal off the corner. He has big, powerful hands that can control and steer opponents on by the pocket once he gets a good fit.

Scarlet&Orange
02-07-2012, 02:36 AM
Wow I read through that and you could have made a mint betting exactly the opposite of his BOOM/BUST predictions. I hope he doesn't get paid to do his job.

My favorite part is one of his reasons Gabbert would be successful "He feels pressure", yeah unfortunately (for Jax) he feels it even when there is none. I though Gabbert (after watching some footage) had bust written all over him for just that reason, guy is scared to death.

CloeHokie
02-07-2012, 02:37 AM
Well I don't know what you have heard from 9ers fans but if it's an on the field thing perhaps it's fixable. I mean it was stated when Bobbie was a FA that he couldn't pass block but apparently the Bengals (I know bit of a shocker) was able to coach him up and fix the issue he was having, turned him into a Pro Bowl level player there for a few years. Of course we are talking about the Eagles who certainly aren't renowned for being adept at coaching up OLman. The only reason I even suggest picking up Rachal is because pickings are slim in FA and he has some solid talent to work with, he's young, may be pretty reasonably priced (i.e. in the Bengals wheelhouse), fits their mold and doesn't cost a draft pick, allowing us more room to maneuver in the draft. If I could count on the Bengals being aggressive in FA or the draft and going after a finished product then I wouldn't even bring this guy up except maybe as a backup who could surprise. But Livings is subpar and Bobbie is pretty well toast, things need done.

This scouting report sounds like a guy who has the talent to be very good but needs to improve his skills. Has things you can't teach good quickness, body control, power & decent range.

Honestly it sounds like a PA type of guy so I would not be shocked if we did go after him.

We have to get some OG in here via FA and the draft for sure.

Scarlet&Orange
02-07-2012, 02:49 AM
Ok more on Rachal. Looks like he does have some issues in pass protection still that need worked out. Ironically enough he got benched due to the pressure he was allowing against the Bengals, (Atkins?) nothing to be ashamed of there. But Pro Football Focus rated him as the best run blocking guard in football at one point. Jeez the poor guy got benched one time for missing practice time to be with his newborn son (believe that was in '10).

Here's a link with some info on him. Looks like the Skins could be in the mix for his services as his OL coach from before '11 is now with them.

Rotoworld Link (http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/4851/chilo-rachal)

Orange and Black Attack
02-07-2012, 07:39 PM
http://www.miscupload.com/upload/482210517657332074775679.gif

philhos
02-08-2012, 12:03 PM
Is this thread/subforum actively moderated?

I mean, could we get away with talking politics and religion without any mods noticing?

CloeHokie
02-08-2012, 12:04 PM
Is this thread/subforum actively moderated?

I mean, could we get away with talking politics and religion without any mods noticing?

Yeah sometimes the Mods post in here. Used to more often. But we probably could but I wouldnt because then it could be removed. nooooooo. :lol:

philhos
02-08-2012, 12:25 PM
Yeah sometimes the Mods post in here. Used to more often. But we probably could but I wouldnt because then it could be removed. nooooooo. :lol:

Hey, it's not my fault that Obama has yet to show his birth certificate. Mellow

CloeHokie
02-08-2012, 12:30 PM
Hey, it's not my fault that Obama has yet to show his birth certificate. Mellow

:rotf:

philhos
02-08-2012, 01:03 PM
:rotf:

I don't think it's funny that a Kenyan-born Muslim with the middle name of Hussein and whose first name rhymes with Osama and who does terrorist fist bumps with his wife is our president. :angry:


Mellow

eoxyod
02-08-2012, 01:50 PM
I don't think it's funny that a Kenyan-born Muslim with the middle name of Hussein and whose first name rhymes with Osama and who does terrorist fist bumps with his wife is our president. :angry:


Mellow

Only pedophile beards prevent terrorism

CloeHokie
02-09-2012, 10:37 AM
So when shall we do the Lounge Mock Draft? After the Combine or wait until After FA

Jabberwocky
02-09-2012, 02:13 PM
So when shall we do the Lounge Mock Draft? After the Combine or wait until After FA

Why not wait til after FA? Wouldn't that be prudent? It would still be a Mock Draft but with better guesses.

Just a thunk.

B)

Bengal Dude
02-09-2012, 03:17 PM
So when shall we do the Lounge Mock Draft? After the Combine or wait until After FA

I'd say the beginning of April. We'll have a great idea of where teams will go in the draft.

eoxyod
02-09-2012, 03:32 PM
I'd say the beginning of April. We'll have a great idea of where teams will go in the draft.

Yeah, around the normal time, I think

Bengal Dude
02-09-2012, 03:35 PM
Yeah, around the normal time, I think

I'm wondering if we'll do a board mock.

XenoMorph
02-09-2012, 03:43 PM
Hey, it's not my fault that Obama has yet to show his birth certificate. Mellow

they are still trying to locate it over seas.

eoxyod
02-09-2012, 03:58 PM
I'm wondering if we'll do a board mock.

Every year something bad happens, but we do it anyways

Bengalzona
02-10-2012, 04:17 AM
Trying out my new sig.

CloeHokie
02-10-2012, 09:50 AM
Omg Zona is that your real sig? That is HUGE

Jabberwocky
02-10-2012, 10:41 AM
That is HUGE That's what she said, right?

:ninja:

Bengal Dude
02-10-2012, 03:15 PM
Omg Zona is that your real sig? That is HUGE

It's too big to fit....

eoxyod
02-10-2012, 03:41 PM
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq301/eoxyod/427395_10101875130460341_2055355_85417364_68541476 3_n.jpg?t=1328906506

Please do that instead

cinc4ever1
02-10-2012, 05:20 PM
I'm wondering if we'll do a board mock.

Don't see any reason why we shouldn't, plus it is always something I look forward to doing. I think I did a great job last year running it.

Every year something bad happens, but we do it anyways

I thought it went smooth last year. Probally the fastest board mock ever. Just have to do exactly what I did last year and it should run well again.

How many members have changes there names since that last draft. I was just going through the old draft, and I see different names involved. Anyhow that draft was smooth as ever from what I seen. Almost everyone showed up, besides maybe a few late arrivals.

eoxyod
02-10-2012, 06:01 PM
Don't see any reason why we shouldn't, plus it is always something I look forward to doing. I think I did a great job last year running it.



I thought it went smooth last year. Probally the fastest board mock ever. Just have to do exactly what I did last year and it should run well again.

How many members have changes there names since that last draft. I was just going through the old draft, and I see different names involved. Anyhow that draft was smooth as ever from what I seen. Almost everyone showed up, besides maybe a few late arrivals.
The problem isjust people not coming in. Then again, you ran it so well that anyone who wasn't in didn't get too much time to make for it (Mean that well, because screw the slow people when they have a lot of time to prepare for it)

CloeHokie
02-10-2012, 06:20 PM
Who had the Bengals last year? I want them again! :lol:

savagehenry54
02-11-2012, 01:50 AM
I wish to participate in this mock draft that you dudes speak of. The lounge one and the board one, because I am a multi-tasker.

Shake n Blake
02-11-2012, 04:30 AM
I wish to participate in this mock draft that you dudes speak of. The lounge one and the board one, because I am a multi-tasker.

I want in too.

eoxyod
02-11-2012, 09:30 AM
I wish to participate in this mock draft that you dudes speak of. The lounge one and the board one, because I am a multi-tasker.

I want in too.

WELL WE HATE YOU GUYS SO NO

Also, sure, why not?

CloeHokie
02-11-2012, 02:11 PM
Agree . We will do it after FA

cinc4ever1
02-11-2012, 06:53 PM
The problem isjust people not coming in. Then again, you ran it so well that anyone who wasn't in didn't get too much time to make for it (Mean that well, because screw the slow people when they have a lot of time to prepare for it)

I agree we really can't and don't have the time to wait on slow people. And I can understand something coming up that you can't make it, but at least send in big boards. The ones that didn't show did send me big boards and that helped speed things up.

I remember the board mock I ran 2 years ago, and practiaclly no one showed, but sent big boards. That wasn't much fun for me. I felt as if I was running the board mock alone. So I hope that never happens again

Who had the Bengals last year? I want them again! :lol:

bfine32 had them last time. Hopefully this will be the year I get the Bengals.:thumbsup:

I wish to participate in this mock draft that you dudes speak of. The lounge one and the board one, because I am a multi-tasker.

I want in too.

Most of the regualrs who participate will get invites, but if you guys are serious then i'm sure you could get a team.

savagehenry54
02-12-2012, 02:45 AM
I agree we really can't and don't have the time to wait on slow people. And I can understand something coming up that you can't make it, but at least send in big boards. The ones that didn't show did send me big boards and that helped speed things up.

I remember the board mock I ran 2 years ago, and practiaclly no one showed, but sent big boards. That wasn't much fun for me. I felt as if I was running the board mock alone. So I hope that never happens again



bfine32 had them last time. Hopefully this will be the year I get the Bengals.:thumbsup:





Most of the regualrs who participate will get invites, but if you guys are serious then i'm sure you could get a team.


Just let me know if you need another person.B)

cinc4ever1
02-12-2012, 01:29 PM
Just let me know if you need another person.B)


We can always use another good member to run a team.

We don't start the board mock until April, maybe a week or 2 before the draft itself.

savagehenry54
02-12-2012, 07:58 PM
We can always use another good member to run a team.

We don't start the board mock until April, maybe a week or 2 before the draft itself.

Sweet, how far in advance will I know the team I'm picking for?

dr1441
02-12-2012, 08:06 PM
As always you can give me as many teams as you want. I can and will do the homework for most teams. So if you need the help let me know.

eoxyod
02-12-2012, 08:21 PM
Speaking of all this, the Lounge mock should be complete first round and normal 7 round Bengal draft like usual

cinc4ever1
02-12-2012, 09:32 PM
Sweet, how far in advance will I know the team I'm picking for?

You will know a week in advance or longer before we start the draft, so you can study up and even do a few trades.

As always you can give me as many teams as you want. I can and will do the homework for most teams. So if you need the help let me know.

Will do. Not sure if it will be BengalDude or I who will be running the draft. We kinda take turns running it.

Speaking of all this, the Lounge mock should be complete first round and normal 7 round Bengal draft like usual

Yeah when did we talk about doing the first mock...after free agency?

eoxyod
02-12-2012, 10:04 PM
Yeah when did we talk about doing the first mock...after free agency?

Yeah, after a big brunt of FA is done. Late March/Early April

henrizzle
02-12-2012, 11:25 PM
If you guys have a spot open I'd be down :thumbsup:

Bengals in Toronto
02-12-2012, 11:40 PM
I want in too.

I would like to join again

eoxyod
02-12-2012, 11:41 PM
Dammit ya'll, we'll figure this out in 2 months. Lol

Bengals in Toronto
02-13-2012, 12:05 AM
Dammit ya'll, we'll figure this out in 2 months. Lol

has it been 2 months yet

savagehenry54
02-13-2012, 01:13 AM
You will know a week in advance or longer before we start the draft, so you can study up and even do a few trades.

Nicey nice, can't wait!

cinc4ever1
02-13-2012, 05:03 PM
If you guys have a spot open I'd be down :thumbsup:

I would like to join again



We will have to wait and see, but if you have been invited and have been active and showing up in the board mock, then you will always get your invite.

Bengals in Toronto. You will get a invite since you are 1 of the members who is always productive.

Hen. We will have to wait and see what happens.

wolfkaosaun
02-13-2012, 07:21 PM
We will have to wait and see, but if you have been invited and have been active and showing up in the board mock, then you will always get your invite.

Bengals in Toronto. You will get a invite since you are 1 of the members who is always productive.

Hen. We will have to wait and see what happens.

So does this include me even though I've only done it once? Mellow

Yeah I like to ask questions

eoxyod
02-13-2012, 07:23 PM
So does this include me even though I've only done it once? Mellow

Yeah I like to ask questions

With a mock as bad as yours, no way. Because we hate you and stuff

You can join too

Also, look at my mock

wolfkaosaun
02-13-2012, 07:24 PM
With a mock as bad as yours, no way. Because we hate you and stuff

You can join too

Also, look at my mock

I'm quite horrendous at mocks, I know :cry:

Sweetness. You made a mock? I don't believe I have seen one of yours, so definitely will check it out