The Lounge 2.0

[AlaskanHero]

If I could see the future, I would win the lottery and considering I'm not a millionaire, I'm just going to sit and see how this all plays out. I was one of the many who thought this should have been Marvin's last year, but since they saw fit to bring the man back, I'm going to support him and hope for the best. Whining about him being back isn't going to make me feel better and I doubt it's going to make MB suddenly change his mind on.... well, everything. I will admit though that I am a little disappointed, but hey, it is what it is.

[MulishaNick]

It is pure insanity in JN.And the leader is Joe who starts up a new Marvin/Brown thread every minute.But I assume he has given the Mods a break by going out drinking.:lol:Haha. From what I've been hearing, Marvin got most of what he wanted. He got more scouts, and more power over what coaches HE wants in Cincy. I don't see why people are freaking out over this. I have an odd feeling that Marvin is gonna cut the rope on Bratkowski. Hopefully he does it soon so everyone will put the gun away and calm down.

[clevelandbengalsfan]

i wish we could have gotten Haurbaugh as our HC and David Shaw as our OC

oh well same old bengals...hopefully we get rid of brat

[CINwillWIN]

i wish we could have gotten Haurbaugh as our HC and David Shaw as our OC

oh well same old bengals...hopefully we get rid of brat

If we gotten them, total re-build state.
(screw that)

[34inXXIII]

This. Changes. EVERYTHING! (http://www.jamesvandermemes.com/)

[clevelandbengalsfan]

If we gotten them, total re-build state.
(screw that)

well if that meant rebuilding we would build around good young players

Scott Simpson Caldwell Shipley Gresham Dunlap Atkins Sims Rey Rivers Leon J Jo. yeah i am fine with that. we would probably keep Carson for now and maybe get Luck, But Carson would play better cause he would be playing for his career.

i would be fine with it, and i don't think he would blow up our team,

[Packerbacker09]

Anyone around?

[eoxyod]

Anyone around?

WAXZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZUPPPPPP?!?!?!l?

[Packerbacker09]

WAXZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZUPPPPPP?!?!?!l?
Hey bud whats up?

[eoxyod]

Hey bud whats up?

Watching this only mildly exciting bowl game, and that's just because OSU is doing pretty well. And although I'm not a fan, I hate unnecessary hate

[Packerbacker09]

Watching this only mildly exciting bowl game, and that's just because OSU is doing pretty well. And although I'm not a fan, I hate unnecessary hate
Im not much of a college fan. I only watch Pro's.

[eoxyod]

Im not much of a college fan. I only watch Pro's.

Same, kinda. I only consistently watch the NFL, but any really interesting college games, I'll watch

[Packerbacker09]

Same, kinda. I only consistently watch the NFL, but any really interesting college games, I'll watch
Sorry about your Bengals this year man.

[eoxyod]

Sorry about your Bengals this year man.

Well at least no changes were made to a poor HC and practice facility,

[Packerbacker09]

Well at least no changes were made to a poor HC and practice facility,
I think you guys problem is coaching. Your team has so much talent.

[eoxyod]

I think you guys problem is coaching. Your team has so much talent.

Yep. If Marvin isn't gone, the OC, WR coach, DL coach, QB coach, and TE coach all need to be gone

[Packerbacker09]

Yep. If Marvin isn't gone, the OC, WR coach, DL coach, QB coach, and TE coach all need to be gone
Agreed. You guys have a solid defense and your offense has alot of talent, not sure what is wrong with Palmer.

[cinc4ever1]

Jn is still going crazy.

[Bryan]

Anyone else rather depressed Marvin is still here? :frown:

[J24]

Anyone else rather depressed Marvin is still here? :frown:

everyone is

[henrizzle]

not mine, but a lot of bengals fans' reactions when they learned that marvin lewis is back - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHh0rf0ojEc

[Bengal Dude]

This. Changes. EVERYTHING! (http://www.jamesvandermemes.com/)

That is an awesome site. I will be using those.

[cinc4ever1]

Sure would like to know who the coaching canidate are for OC?

[Bengal Dude]

Sure would like to know who the coaching canidate are for OC?

I wouldn't be surprised to see Marvin get his way and watch Brat get canned, but Mike Brown still gets his way and promotes from within.

[cinc4ever1]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Marvin get his way and watch Brat get canned, but Mike Brown still gets his way and promotes from within.

There is no one I would want promoted to OC.

So we have to look elsewhere.

[Bengal Dude]

There is no one I would want promoted to OC.

So we have to look elsewhere.

It's just what I see Mike doing.

[cinc4ever1]

What's this crap about moving MJ back to LB?

Why on earth would they do this,it didn't work last time.

[Packerbacker09]

Anyone around?

[cinc4ever1]

The Lounge has been dead lately.

[34inXXIII]

The Lounge has been dead lately.
The 5 days of offseason have been more fatiguing that the 17 week regular season.

[Luigi]

The Lounge has been dead lately.

http://www.britsattheirbest.com/images/ii_defibrillator.gif

CLEAR!

[eoxyod]

The 5 days of offseason have been more fatiguing that the 17 week regular season.

Truth. Between getting in a load of school and waiting for updates/shifting through crap, I'm mentally pooped

[cinc4ever1]

The 5 days of offseason have been more fatiguing that the 17 week regular season.


It sure has.And it wont help if Bob is back.

[Bengal Dude]

It sure has.And it wont help if Bob is back.

It sounds like only FitzGerald has been let go. This team still doesn't get it.

[cinc4ever1]

It sounds like only FitzGerald has been let go. This team still doesn't get it.

It's still early.So we still have hope.

[eoxyod]

I'm going to stand outside Mike Mayock's window with a stereo over my head playing, All I Want For Christmas Is You

[Bengal Dude]

I'm going to stand outside Mike Mayock's window with a stereo over my head playing, All I Want For Christmas Is You

We need to make the Mike Mayock channel.

[Bengalzona]

How 'bout Seattle?

Everybody said this was a sleeper game. Not worth watching.

I think I'm gonna cheer for Seattle for the rest of their time in the playoffs (unless they play Green Bay).

[Bengal Dude]

How 'bout Seattle?

Everybody said this was a sleeper game. Not worth watching.

I think I'm gonna cheer for Seattle for the rest of their time in the playoffs (unless they play Green Bay).

My wife is in disbelief.

[cinc4ever1]

How 'bout Seattle?

Everybody said this was a sleeper game. Not worth watching.

I think I'm gonna cheer for Seattle for the rest of their time in the playoffs (unless they play Green Bay).

Same here.

My wife is in disbelief.

I could only imagine.:lol:

[cinc4ever1]

I guess im pulling for the Colts in this game.I hate the Jets.

How about you guys?

[Bengal Dude]

I guess im pulling for the Colts in this game.I hate the Jets.

How about you guys?

I want the Colts to win as well.

[cinc4ever1]

I want the Colts to win as well.


Kinda boring game thus far.


I wonder when were going to here some news about who will be our OC.It has to happen soon since were coaching the senior bowl.

[Bengal Dude]

Kinda boring game thus far.


I wonder when were going to here some news about who will be our OC.It has to happen soon since were coaching the senior bowl.

We wound up watching the A-Team because of how boring it is. It's been one hell of a week.<_<


I'm not getting my hopes up at all for any changes right now. I would love to see some major changes, but I think Mike Brown is ready to give us another middle finger.

[cinc4ever1]

We wound up watching the A-Team because of how boring it is. It's been one hell of a week.<_<


I'm not getting my hopes up at all for any changes right now. I would love to see some major changes, but I think Mike Brown is ready to give us another middle finger.

Hell of a week huh,what do you mean?


God I sure hope not.Im not sure how much more I can take from this franchise.I just feel like everytime I try to get up this team knocks me down again.

[Bengal Dude]

Hell of a week huh,what do you mean?


God I sure hope not.Im not sure how much more I can take from this franchise.I just feel like everytime I try to get up this team knocks me down again.

Well my wife came home Tuesday from work with stomach pains. We had a doctor's appointment at noon. She couldn't make it. We went to urgent care. The doctor there told us to go to the ER because they didn't have the proper equipment to test her. So we rushed up there.

We were in the hospital until Friday afternoon.<_<

[cinc4ever1]

Well my wife came home Tuesday from work with stomach pains. We had a doctor's appointment at noon. She couldn't make it. We went to urgent care. The doctor there told us to go to the ER because they didn't have the proper equipment to test her. So we rushed up there.

We were in the hospital until Friday afternoon.<_<


Wow,that is a hell of a week.What was wrong if you mind me asking?

[Bengal Dude]

Wow,that is a hell of a week.What was wrong if you mind me asking?

She had a bacterial bug.

[cinc4ever1]

She had a bacterial bug.



Sounds painful.


Man im pretty much ready for the whole season to end already,so we can move on to the rest of the offseason.Uasually I wouldn't say that.

[Bengal Dude]

Sounds painful.


Man I'm pretty much ready for the whole season to end already,so we can move on to the rest of the offseason.Usually I wouldn't say that.

It was miserable for her. They took her blood so much that her arms look like a heroin addict's arms.


I don't know what to think about this. It seems like Marvin got nothing that he wanted. I am worried that we're going to wait until later than we should to fill some coaching holes.

[cinc4ever1]

It was miserable for her. They took her blood so much that her arms look like a heroin addict's arms.


I don't know what to think about this. It seems like Marvin got nothing that he wanted. I am worried that we're going to wait until later than we should to fill some coaching holes.


Im really starting to think that the CBA is scraing the crap out of Mike.And here is what bothers me so much.We had a losing season,yet Mike thinks he will have a advantage because we are intact.But that is just an exscuse in my opinion.

[Bengal Dude]

Im really starting to think that the CBA is scraing the crap out of Mike.And here is what bothers me so much.We had a losing season,yet Mike thinks he will have a advantage because we are intact.But that is just an exscuse in my opinion.

Seems like we're going to have another down year, at this point. I won't be surprised to see how 1st round pick be a long holdout.

[cinc4ever1]

Seems like we're going to have another down year, at this point. I won't be surprised to see how 1st round pick be a long holdout.


Nothing this team does should surprise anyone anymore.But damn it gets old.


Close game,but it looks like the Jets could pull this one out.

[Bengalzona]

The Colts D has looked pretty ragged during much of the 2nd half.

[cinc4ever1]

The Colts D has looked pretty ragged during much of the 2nd half.


No penetration at all right now.Looks like it will come down to another FG.

[cinc4ever1]

Goodbye Colts.<_<

[Bengalzona]

That last catch was awesome.

[cinc4ever1]

That last catch was awesome.


It was a good catch,I just hate the Jets.

[Bengal Dude]

Stupid Jets.

[Bengalzona]

It was a good catch,I just hate the Jets.

Stupid Jets.

Agreed.

While I loved the individual's athleticism, I still haven't forgiven them for beating us last year.

And I'd like to see Santchez throw 5 Ints in his next game.... second rate hack that he is.

[Bengal Dude]

Agreed.

While I loved the individual's athleticism, I still haven't forgiven them for beating us last year.

And I'd like to see Santchez throw 5 Ints in his next game.... second rate hack that he is.

He's such a.............Dirty Sanchez.:ninja:

[cinc4ever1]

Agreed.

While I loved the individual's athleticism, I still haven't forgiven them for beating us last year.

And I'd like to see Santchez throw 5 Ints in his next game.... second rate hack that he is.


I hate Sanchez,but I hate Rex Ryan even more.

[cinc4ever1]

Hey BD have you got a draft done that looks good on Madden?

I will finally get to mine tonight.Took a while controling 4 teams.But Im sure Bowers and S McDaniels will go high from Clemson.Fairley should go as well.Had 13 sacks with him.And Luck has to go in the 1st round,if he declares.

[Bengal Dude]

Hey BD have you got a draft done that looks good on Madden?

I will finally get to mine tonight.Took a while controling 4 teams.But Im sure Bowers and S McDaniels will go high from Clemson.Fairley should go as well.Had 13 sacks with him.And Luck has to go in the 1st round,if he declares.

I've only done 2 drafts and they were garbage. Fairley won DPOY and didn't enter the draft. Luck wound up in the 5th after a Heisman win. Prince Amukamara went 1st overall both times.

[cinc4ever1]

I've only done 2 drafts and they were garbage. Fairley won DPOY and didn't enter the draft. Luck wound up in the 5th after a Heisman win. Prince Amukamara went 1st overall both times.


Pretty bogus that Fairley didn't enter.Did he call it quits,or is still in college?

I don't even notice Patrick Peterson.Does he go in any of your drafts?

[Bengal Dude]

Pretty bogus that Fairley didn't enter.Did he call it quits,or is still in college?

I don't even notice Patrick Peterson.Does he go in any of your drafts?

Fairley always returns.

Peterson went in one draft, but he didn't go until the 5th.

[cinc4ever1]

Fairley always returns.

Peterson went in one draft, but he didn't go until the 5th.


Im not sure why but in older NCAA games it seemed like all the good players were always in the draft.And now there not.

[Bengal Dude]

Im not sure why but in older NCAA games it seemed like all the good players were always in the draft.And now there not.

Seems like everyone of them return for their Senior years.

[cinc4ever1]

Seems like everyone of them return for their Senior years.


Well that is crap considering how many are juniors.

[Bengal Dude]

Well that is crap considering how many are juniors.

Exactly. Then the good Seniors go late and are terrible players.

[cinc4ever1]

Exactly. Then the good Seniors go late and are terrible players.


Those are the things that need to be worked out in later games.The draft his half of the reason I by the game.

[Bengal Dude]

Those are the things that need to be worked out in later games.The draft his half of the reason I by the game.

Well Madden is going to make major changes to the Franchise mode next year so I am looking forward to that.

[cinc4ever1]

Well Madden is going to make major changes to the Franchise mode next year so I am looking forward to that.


That is about time as well.I hope for a practice sqaud team.

[Bengal Dude]

That is about time as well.I hope for a practice sqaud team.

I want them to bring back restricted free agency.

[cinc4ever1]

I want them to bring back restricted free agency.


Yeah I miss that part as well.


Do you have a tough time making coaching changes.I can't sing anyone that is any good?

[Bengal Dude]

Yeah I miss that part as well.


Do you have a tough time making coaching changes.I can't sing anyone that is any good?

It's only hard to sign guys who are in the NFL already and you try a lateral move. You also need to make sure to offer them at least $1 million/year. I really have no major issues.

[cinc4ever1]

It's only hard to sign guys who are in the NFL already and you try a lateral move. You also need to make sure to offer them at least $1 million/year. I really have no major issues.

That is my problem I try to lateral.


Sack #24 for Bowers.:lol:

[Bengal Dude]

That is my problem I try to lateral.


Sack #24 for Bowers.:lol:

Yeah, you can't really lateral. I think the only possibility is if you target a coordinator on a terrible team and try to bring him in to a good team.

[cinc4ever1]

Yeah, you can't really lateral. I think the only possibility is if you target a coordinator on a terrible team and try to bring him in to a good team.


So basically I shouldn't even play the first season on NCAA cause it doesn't much matter?

[Bengal Dude]

So basically I shouldn't even play the first season on NCAA cause it doesn't much matter?

You can try. Drafts are usually randomized. I just happened to have 2 similar drafts. There's usually some similar things. Whenever I did the 2009 draft, Alex Boone was always the top rated OT. Players would move all over the place, but he was always the #1 OT.

[cinc4ever1]

You can try. Drafts are usually randomized. I just happened to have 2 similar drafts. There's usually some similar things. Whenever I did the 2009 draft, Alex Boone was always the top rated OT. Players would move all over the place, but he was always the #1 OT.


About to do mine here real soon.

Im in Bowl season,and simulated my last few games guessing that Clemson had it locked with a few easy wins.But lost.So Boise St vs Oklahoma in the big game.

[Bengal Dude]

About to do mine here real soon.

Im in Bowl season,and simulated my last few games guessing that Clemson had it locked with a few easy wins.But lost.So Boise St vs Oklahoma in the big game.

In one Dynasty, I manipulated it so the NC game was Boise vs. TCU. Take that BcS system!!!

[cinc4ever1]

In one Dynasty, I manipulated it so the NC game was Boise vs. TCU. Take that BcS system!!!


Really how did you pull that off?

[Bengal Dude]

Really how did you pull that off?

I just simmed games and made sure that TCU and Boise were the only undefeated teams. I would sim games of teams that may leapfrog them and make them lose. I did that with Oregon, Auburn, Alabama, and Ohio State. That way, both of them were way ahead on the BcS rankings.

[cinc4ever1]

I just simmed games and made sure that TCU and Boise were the only undefeated teams. I would sim games of teams that may leapfrog them and make them lose. I did that with Oregon, Auburn, Alabama, and Ohio State. That way, both of them were way ahead on the BcS rankings.


LOL.Im going to have to try that.

[cinc4ever1]

Well Luck is declaring on my game.Owen Marecic just graduated and didn't go.I had him in the Heisman running.<_<

Bowers is entering as well.But D McDaniel isn't.I had 10 picks with him.Mellow


So all the players that graduate don't enter the draft,if that is so that is crazy,alot of great players wont enter for me.Locker is one of them?

[Bengal Dude]

Well Luck is declaring on my game.Owen Marecic just graduated and didn't go.I had him in the Heisman running.<_<

Bowers is entering as well.But D McDaniel isn't.I had 10 picks with him.Mellow


So all the players that graduate don't enter the draft,if that is so that is crazy,alot of great players wont enter for me.Locker is one of them?

That's a bug they need to fix. If a player says he's leaving early to go pro, then he needs to be in the draft. I remember having Sam Bradford declare for the draft and then he wouldn't even be in the game.

[cinc4ever1]

That's a bug they need to fix. If a player says he's leaving early to go pro, then he needs to be in the draft. I remember having Sam Bradford declare for the draft and then he wouldn't even be in the game.


Yeah it really needs fixed.The amount of players that don't go to the draft is nuts.

[Bengal Dude]

Yeah it really needs fixed.The amount of players that don't go to the draft is nuts.

I would like them to improve the draft. Include more players, find a way to get compensatory picks, and allow teams to have more than 10 picks.

[cinc4ever1]

I would like them to improve the draft. Include more players, find a way to get compensatory picks, and allow teams to have more than 10 picks.

All that would would be great.

Well im out.Later BD.

[Bengal Dude]

I wish it was Monday, then maybe we have a shot at seeing something done.

[CloeHokie]

Man this is a beat down

[Bengal Dude]

Man this is a beat down

Now KC knows how we feel.

[CloeHokie]

Now KC knows how we feel.

Lol. That Lynch run yesterday was freakin nasty.

[Bengal Dude]

Lol. That Lynch run yesterday was freakin nasty.

One of the best runs ever. I'm sure Seattle is happy that he saved his one good play for the playoffs.

[CloeHokie]

One of the best runs ever. I'm sure Seattle is happy that he saved his one good play for the playoffs.

Well he has been running hard all year. But the blocking has been bad and lineman have been changing every week. Some games he would start off great then Sea would get worked and be down so many they didnt run anymore. I only know as I was forced to start him as my 2nd back in one league because of injuries to other guys. :lol:

[Bengal Dude]

Well he has been running hard all year. But the blocking has been bad and lineman have been changing every week. Some games he would start off great then Sea would get worked and be down so many they didnt run anymore. I only know as I was forced to start him as my 2nd back in one league because of injuries to other guys. :lol:

The Seahawks definitely had OL problems, but there were plenty of times that he went down on first contact.

[CloeHokie]

The Seahawks definitely had OL problems, but there were plenty of times that he went down on first contact.

Yeah,he would often get hit in the backfield as soon as he got the ball. I think they got a good player in that trade and bet he will tear it up next year. Could be a good late pick in the FF draft.

[Bengal Dude]

Yeah,he would often get hit in the backfield as soon as he got the ball. I think they got a good player in that trade and bet he will tear it up next year. Could be a good late pick in the FF draft.

They need to add a bunch of OL help. They need at least 2-3 players on the OL.


Hmmm, that sounds familiar.

[CloeHokie]

They need to add a bunch of OL help. They need at least 2-3 players on the OL.


Hmmm, that sounds familiar.

Hahahaha. Cant wait to watch the Eagles vs Packers game.

[Bengal Dude]

Hahahaha. Cant wait to watch the Eagles vs Packers game.

I'll probably watch part of the game. Trying to catch up on the DVR after staying in the hospital for the past few days.

[CloeHokie]

I'll probably watch part of the game. Trying to catch up on the DVR after staying in the hospital for the past few days.

What were you there for? You ok?

[Bengal Dude]

What were you there for? You ok?

I'm fine. My wife was really ill on Tuesday. Had to take her into the ER. Wound up staying 3 nights. She had some kind of bacterial infection that really hurt her stomach. She is feeling better now. It was just a rough time.

[CloeHokie]

I'm fine. My wife was really ill on Tuesday. Had to take her into the ER. Wound up staying 3 nights. She had some kind of bacterial infection that really hurt her stomach. She is feeling better now. It was just a rough time.

Sorry to hear that but at least shes doing better now. Those kind of things can be scary. And being at the hospital *****. It smells. Lol

[eoxyod]

Joe Buck announcing this Packers-Eagles game
I wonder if the excitement vs. his boringness can at least cancel out

[Bengal Dude]

Sorry to hear that but at least shes doing better now. Those kind of things can be scary. And being at the hospital *****. It smells. Lol

It wasn't as bad as it used to be. The cafe had a heck of food selection. Not the best food, but I had a ton of options.

Joe Buck announcing this Packers-Eagles game
I wonder if the excitement vs. his boringness can at least cancel out

He'd make the Immaculate Deflection sound like a 3 yard run off tackle.

[CloeHokie]

Lol Joe Buck forgot his kids middle name during a Thanksgiving day game a few years ago. Priceless

[eoxyod]

Lol Joe Buck forgot his kids middle name during a Thanksgiving day game a few years ago. Priceless

He forgot to announce when he started

[Bengal Dude]

Anyone else excited to watch North squad practices now?

[Bryan]

Man the Eagles defense *****. Haven't been the same since Jimmy Johnson passed.

[34inXXIII]

The Marshawn Lynch Wild Card TD run set to Mario Bros music. (http://guyism.com/sports/marshawn-lynchs-awesome-run-set-to-mario-bros-music.html)

[Bengal Dude]

The Marshawn Lynch Wild Card TD run set to Mario Bros music. (http://guyism.com/sports/marshawn-lynchs-awesome-run-set-to-mario-bros-music.html)

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_left48gCkY1qf8yek.gif

[CloeHokie]

Ryan Williams declares! That Lynch run with Mario wins

[eoxyod]

Ryan Williams declares! That Lynch run with Mario wins

I think he should have waited another year :l

[CloeHokie]

I think he should have waited another year :l

So do I esp with Evans coming out. But that just means he will go a little later in the draft. Could be a steal for someone.

[eoxyod]

So do I esp with Evans coming out. But that just means he will go a little later in the draft. Could be a steal for someone.

Williams and Scott with a new OC. Dynamic RB duo

*getting hopes up only to be crushed*

[CloeHokie]

Williams and Scott with a new OC. Dynamic RB duo

*getting hopes up only to be crushed*

If Benson leaves we could use him for sure. He is nasty. And can carry the load. With Scott it would be a great pair of RBs. But yeah, I never get the guys I want. But in my mock draft? Oh yeah! :lol:

[eoxyod]

If Benson leaves we could use him for sure. He is nasty. And can carry the load. With Scott it would be a great pair of RBs. But yeah, I never get the guys I want. But in my mock draft? Oh yeah! :lol:

And after watching the bowl game, I would love to have Taylor Asa backup QB. Of course we'd convert him to WR though..or make him a pocket QB

[CloeHokie]

And after watching the bowl game, I would love to have Taylor Asa backup QB. Of course we'd convert him to WR though..or make him a pocket QB

Ugh, we got out coached so bad in the 2nd 1/2. 13-12 at half then we got blow tf out. Sadly we have the same OC as the Bengals. They are blitzing up the middle. Lets call a run up the middle. Maybe a draw play up the middle. That will fool them! Dont throw it to any of our awesome RBs. Errrrrr.

I look forward to seeing Tyrod play in the Senior Bowl. Maybe we will coach his side and Marvin can see whats up.

[eoxyod]

Ugh, we got out coached so bad in the 2nd 1/2. 13-12 at half then we got blow tf out. Sadly we have the same OC as the Bengals. They are blitzing up the middle. Lets call a run up the middle. Maybe a draw play up the middle. That will fool them! Dont throw it to any of our awesome RBs. Errrrrr.

I look forward to seeing Tyrod play in the Senior Bowl. Maybe we will coach his side and Marvin can see whats up.

I think V-Tech would be North, so yes (It actually goes geographically, right?)

[CloeHokie]

I think V-Tech would be North, so yes (It actually goes geographically, right?)

I cant remember but that sounds right because I always think we should be a south team but I guess VA is kinda in the middle. Are we coaching the North or South? I would assume North but Buf is also North.

[eoxyod]

I cant remember but that sounds right because I always think we should be a south team but I guess VA is kinda in the middle. Are we coaching the North or South? I would assume North but Buf is also North.

We're the north.

[CloeHokie]

We're the north.

Sweet. Maybe Tyrod can talk up Ryan Williams for us. :lol:

[HearUsRoar]

Hey fellas, what's up?

Getting a new (to us) car today. Black 2010 Chevy Equinox, pretty stoked.

[CloeHokie]

Hey fellas, what's up?

Getting a new (to us) car today. Black 2010 Chevy Equinox, pretty stoked.

Oh yeah? Saw that on FB. I take it they gave you a better deal? Or did you fold!!!?? :lol:

[HearUsRoar]

Oh yeah? Saw that on FB. I take it they gave you a better deal? Or did you fold!!!?? :lol:

A little of both. :lol: Here's how it went:


The list price for it was $23,000.

We offered $20,000. To which they basically said, "okay, thanks for stopping by."

We then got a little ticked but offered $21,000.

They countered at $22,500.

We left.

That's where you saw my FB post.

So I called today and asked for the manager. I said we'll put $1,000 down, so can you come down to $22,000?

He said give me 15 minutes to run the numbers and I'll call you back. He called back and said okay, we'll do it. We wanted to finance $21,000 but we were hoping to do so with no money down. At the end of the day we were $1,000 off our goal price but truthfully the truck is AWD and worth every dime of $22,000. We're happy overall.

Here's some pictures of it:

http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2010/5/12/279/556/15971879113.279556874.IM1.MAIN.565x421_A.562x421.j pg

http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2010/5/12/279/556/15971879115.279556874.IM1.03.565x421_A.562x421.jpg

[CloeHokie]

A little of both. :lol: Here's how it went:


The list price for it was $23,000.

We offered $20,000. To which they basically said, "okay, thanks for stopping by."

We then got a little ticked but offered $21,000.

They countered at $22,500.

We left.

That's where you saw my FB post.

So I called today and asked for the manager. I said we'll put $1,000 down, so can you come down to $22,000?

He said give me 15 minutes to run the numbers and I'll call you back. He called back and said okay, we'll do it. We wanted to finance $21,000 but we were hoping to do so with no money down. At the end of the day we were $1,000 off our goal price but truthfully the truck is AWD and worth every dime of $22,000. We're happy overall.

Here's some pictures of it:

http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2010/5/12/279/556/15971879113.279556874.IM1.MAIN.565x421_A.562x421.j pg

http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2010/5/12/279/556/15971879115.279556874.IM1.03.565x421_A.562x421.jpg

Nice! Hahahaha. Looks like a cool fam car. You better not be driving a mini van!

[HearUsRoar]

Nice! Hahahaha. Looks like a cool fam car. You better not be driving a mini van!

Hopefully that doesn't look like a minivan.

[CloeHokie]

Hopefully that doesn't look like a minivan.

Ah hell no. It looks sweet. I meant before the upgrade. Lmao.

[HearUsRoar]

Ah hell no. It looks sweet. I meant before the upgrade. Lmao.

Okay, whew, thanks! That was a fear of mine was to get something that looks too minivan-ish.

[SunsetBengal]

Hopefully that doesn't look like a minivan.


Naw, my parents bought one this past summer, the thing is sweet. It has soooo much room, I'm comfy when riding in the back, and I'm 6'2" 255. I've driven it and it drives/rides great.

Nice buy.

[CloeHokie]

Okay, whew, thanks! That was a fear of mine was to get something that looks too minivan-ish.

So were you driving one prior? :lol:

Man the Iphone crap has hit the limit. Verizon has a PC tomorrow at 11AM. Everyone has said its about the Iphone. I am so sick of it they just need to announce it one way or the other so people stop asking me about it.

[SunsetBengal]

So were you driving one prior? :lol:

Man the Iphone crap has hit the limit. Verizon has a PC tomorrow at 11AM. Everyone has said its about the Iphone. I am so sick of it they just need to announce it one way or the other so people stop asking me about it.


You work for Verizon?

[CloeHokie]

You work for Verizon?

Si.

I cant stand the Iphone anyway. Verizon has programmed us all to hate on it and love Android. Dont know how they are going to want us to flop that one. Open source vs proprietary. I will take open source. Droid pwns but Apple has its loyal drones.

[SunsetBengal]

Si.

I cant stand the Iphone anyway. Verizon has programmed us all to hate on it and love Android. Dont know how they are going to want us to flop that one. Open source vs proprietary. I will take open source. Droid pwns but Apple has its loyal drones.


My sister works at a Verizon call center in Ft. Wayne, IN.

[CloeHokie]

My sister works at a Verizon call center in Ft. Wayne, IN.

Ask her if she is ready to put a bullet in the next persons head that calls and asks about the Iphone. :lol:

[Bengal Dude]

A little of both. :lol: Here's how it went:


The list price for it was $23,000.

We offered $20,000. To which they basically said, "okay, thanks for stopping by."

We then got a little ticked but offered $21,000.

They countered at $22,500.

We left.

That's where you saw my FB post.

So I called today and asked for the manager. I said we'll put $1,000 down, so can you come down to $22,000?

He said give me 15 minutes to run the numbers and I'll call you back. He called back and said okay, we'll do it. We wanted to finance $21,000 but we were hoping to do so with no money down. At the end of the day we were $1,000 off our goal price but truthfully the truck is AWD and worth every dime of $22,000. We're happy overall.

Here's some pictures of it:

http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2010/5/12/279/556/15971879113.279556874.IM1.MAIN.565x421_A.562x421.j pg

http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2010/5/12/279/556/15971879115.279556874.IM1.03.565x421_A.562x421.jpg

An appropriate family car.

[Brick]

Fairley. I want him. Now.

[Bengal Dude]

Fairley. I want him. Now.

Agreed. He's been my favorite for a while, but we must take him.

[Brick]

Agreed. He's been my favorite for a while, but we must take him.

In all honesty I think he'll be gone. Bills definitely need to address their line. Fairley can fit well in the 3-4 and 4-3 and the bills utlize both.

[Bengal Dude]

In all honesty I think he'll be gone. Bills definitely need to address their line. Fairley can fit well in the 3-4 and 4-3 and the bills utlize both.

He very well could be the first pick of the draft.

[Brick]

He very well could be the first pick of the draft.

I could see it happening. Some sites project Green to go first, which I can't see happening. Do the panthers stick with Clausen or reach for Blaine or whatever his name is or Mallet.

[Bengal Dude]

I could see it happening. Some sites project Green to go first, which I can't see happening. Do the panthers stick with Clausen or reach for Blaine or whatever his name is or Mallet.

At this point, they stick with Clausen. Mallet and Blaine are too big of reaches. I wouldn't be surprised to see them go AJ Green and try to get Clausen a weapon that will work.

[Brick]

At this point, they stick with Clausen. Mallet and Blaine are too big of reaches. I wouldn't be surprised to see them go AJ Green and try to get Clausen a weapon that will work.

Keyshawn was the last receiver picked first overall. In like what, 96?

[Bengal Dude]

Keyshawn was the last receiver picked first overall. In like what, 96?

Yeah. Green is being touted as the next Randy Moss and I'm sure Carolina would have no problem taking that 1st overall. The crazy thing about Carolina is that they clearly need offensive help, but they're about to hire a defensive minded coach.

[Brick]

Yeah. Green is being touted as the next Randy Moss and I'm sure Carolina would have no problem taking that 1st overall. The crazy thing about Carolina is that they clearly need offensive help, but they're about to hire a defensive minded coach.

Yea Rivera. Supposedly it'll be announced tom but the panthers are saying it could be longer. This whole crap about Fitzy is mind numbing to me. First it's his fault, then its Hayes fault, then it's the players fault. Whats your take.

[Bengal Dude]

Yea Rivera. Supposedly it'll be announced tom but the panthers are saying it could be longer. This whole crap about Fitzy is mind numbing to me. First it's his fault, then its Hayes fault, then it's the players fault. Whats your take.

I don't think we've fired Fitz. I believe we've granted him permission to seek a promotion. I believe his name is being floated as a candidate for the DC position at UCLA.

As for position coaches that need to go. WR, OL, TE, and DL need to be replaced. Obviously Brat needs to go, but we're not that lucky.

[eoxyod]

Think Panthers would be the only team to take Fairley. Bills have Kyle Williams, and the Broncos have a 3-4 that they may not like Fairley playing

[Bengal Dude]

Think Panthers would be the only team to take Fairley. Bills have Kyle Williams, and the Broncos have a 3-4 that they may not like Fairley playing

The Bills also have a 3-4 and Fairley has been pegged as a potential 3-4 end. I just don't think Denver would take him with Petersen available. Buffalo is going to be the tough call with how stupid they draft.

[eoxyod]

The Bills also have a 3-4 and Fairley has been pegged as a potential 3-4 end. I just don't think Denver would take him with Petersen available. Buffalo is going to be the tough call with how stupid they draft.

The Bills are more insane with the Raiders, really.

[Bengal Dude]

The Bills are more insane with the Raiders, really.

They really are. Gailey said that Maybin's job is in jeopardy for next season. Then they have a stupid draft this past year.

[eoxyod]

They really are. Gailey said that Maybin's job is in jeopardy for next season. Then they have a stupid draft this past year.

Maybe they'll draft Newton :ninja:

If you haven't yet, check out the #allthetostitos thing on twitter. It's hilarious

[CloeHokie]

Lets play a game. Done or Not? (Not done as in out of the NFL, but not a player of importance anymore)

Name a player. Someone name if they are done or not done. Then another player

Clinton Portis

I am trying to distract my brain from all the iphone questions. Lol

[cinc4ever1]

What a let down by Oregon lastnight.Ended up getting hammerd because they lossed.

On the other hand Fairley played like a man possesed.Im sold on him being our pick.But I don't know if he makes it to us.

[CloeHokie]

What a let down by Oregon lastnight.Ended up getting hammerd because they lossed.

On the other hand Fairley played like a man possesed.Im sold on him being our pick.But I don't know if he makes it to us.

He could be a great pick but we dont take DTs early very often. Didnt we re sign Peko recently to a large deal?

[cinc4ever1]

He could be a great pick but we dont take DTs early very often. Didnt we re sign Peko recently to a large deal?

We did sign Peko back,but we also will be parting ways with tank.Fairley is already mentioned up there with a player like Suh.The guy is a game changer.Peko is nothing more then a run stuffer.Fairley can do it all.

[Bengal Dude]

Lets play a game. Done or Not? (Not done as in out of the NFL, but not a player of importance anymore)

Name a player. Someone name if they are done or not done. Then another player

Clinton Portis

I am trying to distract my brain from all the iphone questions. Lol

Done as a starter. I think he'd be better off in a Willis McGahee role.

Done or Not?

Matt Hasselbeck

He could be a great pick but we dont take DTs early very often. Didnt we re sign Peko recently to a large deal?

We extended his deal to seven years. He's a free agent after 2014.

[CloeHokie]

We did sign Peko back,but we also will be parting ways with tank.Fairley is already mentioned up there with a player like Suh.The guy is a game changer.Peko is nothing more then a run stuffer.Fairley can do it all.

Yeah, who knows what we will do at this point. Gotta see who else declares then what if anything we do in FA. Who are the best FS/SS in the draft? I wouldnt take one til the 2nd round but I have not been able to find an updated list of who will be in the draft.

Done as a starter. I think he'd be better off in a Willis McGahee role.

Done or Not?

Matt Hasselbeck



We extended his deal to seven years. He's a free agent after 2014.

Agreed.

I would have said done but he had a great game. I think he is most likely done as a starter unless someone like Ari grabs him. Be a great back up and teacher though.

Donovan Mcnabb

[Bengal Dude]

Agreed.

I would have said done but he had a great game. I think he is most likely done as a starter unless someone like Ari grabs him. Be a great back up and teacher though.

Donovan Mcnabb

Done. Hey may get a shot at being a band aid for Arizona if they take a new QB this year, but McNabb needs to hang them up.

Kyle Orton

[CloeHokie]

Done. Hey may get a shot at being a band aid for Arizona if they take a new QB this year, but McNabb needs to hang them up.

Kyle Orton

I dont think Orton is done. He had a great season up until he got hurt. He may be done in Denver but I think he gets a starting shot somewhere. I heard Elway doesnt like Tebow. Lol.

How about T.O.?

[eoxyod]

He could be a great pick but we dont take DTs early very often. Didnt we re sign Peko recently to a large deal?

We re-signed him to a 5 year 31million deal in 08, I think. Most likely top heavy like all deals, so he should cost tooooo much right now. With Tank most likely also gone, and Geno and Sims not requiring much, Fairley could very well be the pick. Jizztastic DL with JJo and Hall

[Bengal Dude]

I dont think Orton is done. He had a great season up until he got hurt. He may be done in Denver but I think he gets a starting shot somewhere. I heard Elway doesnt like Tebow. Lol.

How about T.O.?

Wow, this one is tough. I will say not done because I think he's going to get another shot next year. He probably won't be picked up until near TC again by someone, but he'll be their #1 or #2 and make their QB look like bad Palmer.


Alan Faneca

[eoxyod]

I dont think Orton is done. He had a great season up until he got hurt. He may be done in Denver but I think he gets a starting shot somewhere. I heard Elway doesnt like Tebow. Lol.

How about T.O.?

Done. He won't be getting any deals any time soon, and his decline will hit when he's not getting the targets

[eoxyod]

Wow, this one is tough. I will say not done because I think he's going to get another shot next year. He probably won't be picked up until near TC again by someone, but he'll be their #1 or #2 and make their QB look like bad Palmer.


Alan Faneca

Faneca has been done for years

[Bengal Dude]

We re-signed him to a 5 year 31million deal in 08, I think. Most likely top heavy like all deals, so he should cost tooooo much right now. With Tank most likely also gone, and Geno and Sims not requiring much, Fairley could very well be the pick. Jizztastic DL with JJo and Hall

With the love of a rotating line between Marvin and Zim, Fairley would make sense. You've got Peko and Sims as our run stuffers. Then Fairley and Geno would be our pass rushers. Our 3rd down line would be:

Dunlap-Fairley-Geno-MJ.

[cinc4ever1]

Yeah, who knows what we will do at this point. Gotta see who else declares then what if anything we do in FA. Who are the best FS/SS in the draft? I wouldnt take one til the 2nd round but I have not been able to find an updated list of who will be in the draft.


I can only think of a few,but not sure there SS.

Rahim Moore
DeAndre McDaneil
Dude from North Carolina
Tyler Sasha

This isn't a great class for S.

[cinc4ever1]

With the love of a rotating line between Marvin and Zim, Fairley would make sense. You've got Peko and Sims as our run stuffers. Then Fairley and Geno would be our pass rushers. Our 3rd down line would be:

Dunlap-Fairley-Geno-MJ.


That would be a nasty DL.That right there is a nightmare for QB's:lol:


Did any of you read the article about how much sense it would make to sign,howerver you spell his name...the CB from Oakland,and to realese JoJo?

[Bengal Dude]

That would be a nasty DL.That right there is a nightmare for QB's:lol:


Did any of you read the article about how much sense it would make to sign,howerver you spell his name...the CB from Oakland,and to realese JoJo?

No, where is it?

[cinc4ever1]

No, where is it?


Cincinnati Bengals: 5 Reasons Why the Bengals Should Sign Nnamdi Asomugha (http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7hzetSxNOFUBaZNXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB2Y3FvOHJ wBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA01TWTAxMF8xNzg-/SIG=15f2jgce5/EXP=1294862174/**http%3a//bleacherreport.com/articles/568362-cincinnati-bengals-five-reasons-why-the-bengals-should-sign-nnamdi-asomugha%3fsource=rss_teams_Cincinnati_Bengals)

[CloeHokie]

Wow, this one is tough. I will say not done because I think he's going to get another shot next year. He probably won't be picked up until near TC again by someone, but he'll be their #1 or #2 and make their QB look like bad Palmer.


Alan Faneca

Agreed.

I think he is done this time. Bet no one signs him.

How about Chad? Not as a starter but a #1

[Bengal Dude]

Cincinnati Bengals: 5 Reasons Why the Bengals Should Sign Nnamdi Asomugha (http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7hzetSxNOFUBaZNXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB2Y3FvOHJ wBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA01TWTAxMF8xNzg-/SIG=15f2jgce5/EXP=1294862174/**http%3a//bleacherreport.com/articles/568362-cincinnati-bengals-five-reasons-why-the-bengals-should-sign-nnamdi-asomugha%3fsource=rss_teams_Cincinnati_Bengals)

I'd rather us re-sign Joseph and then try to use the extra money in negotiating a new deal for Hall.

[CloeHokie]

I can only think of a few,but not sure there SS.

Rahim Moore
DeAndre McDaneil
Dude from North Carolina
Tyler Sasha

This isn't a great class for S.

Yeah, I keep check DS but they have not updated the ranking with the guys that have declared.

Anyone know of a site that has?

[cinc4ever1]

Agreed.

I think he is done this time. Bet no one signs him.

How about Chad? Not as a starter but a #1

Chad is still a #1,but probaly not for us.

[Bengal Dude]

Agreed.

I think he is done this time. Bet no one signs him.

How about Chad? Not as a starter but a #1

I'd say he is done. The guy is not focused on football like he used to.

[Bengal Dude]

Yeah, I keep check DS but they have not updated the ranking with the guys that have declared.

Anyone know of a site that has?

Well Saturday is the declaration day. I'm sure DS and other websites will be updated by then.

[eoxyod]

I would be unbelievably happy if we signed Nnamdi, butit's also not going to happen

[cinc4ever1]

I'd rather us re-sign Joseph and then try to use the extra money in negotiating a new deal for Hall.

Same here,but I wont be upset if we get Asom.

[CloeHokie]

I'd say he is done. The guy is not focused on football like he used to.

It would be sad. I hope he comes back and has a good year. But all things have to end.

What about Tony Gonzalez? He has looked really slow all year when I watch the Falcons.

[CloeHokie]

I would be unbelievably happy if we signed Nnamdi, butit's also not going to happen

Jizz in my pants. Hahahahaha

[Bengal Dude]

It would be sad. I hope he comes back and has a good year. But all things have to end.

What about Tony Gonzalez? He has looked really slow all year when I watch the Falcons.

Which is funny because when I watched the Falcons, TG looked good as ever. I do agree that his time is winding down. If Atlanta wins the Super Bowl this year, then I think he calls it a career.

[CloeHokie]

Unrelated I have it on VH1 all 80s and they just played I'm too sexy, followed by Baby got Back. I cant stop laughing.

[CloeHokie]

Which is funny because when I watched the Falcons, TG looked good as ever. I do agree that his time is winding down. If Atlanta wins the Super Bowl this year, then I think he calls it a career.

He was getting open but only on short routes. And wasnt running away from anyone.

Thats what I was thinking. If he wins, I think he may be done.

Andre Smith as an OT?

[Bengal Dude]

He was getting open but only on short routes. And wasnt running away from anyone.

Thats what I was thinking. If he wins, I think he may be done.

Andre Smith as an OT?

It sure sounds like Disappointment is done at OT. All we keep hearing is how he'll most likely move to guard in the offseason. Great job on the pick there Mike.<_<

[CloeHokie]

It sure sounds like Disappointment is done at OT. All we keep hearing is how he'll most likely move to guard in the offseason. Great job on the pick there Mike.<_<

Yeah, I saw something saying he may move to guard and thought about Oher or Monroe. Alas.

Randy Moss?

[Bengal Dude]

Yeah, I saw something saying he may move to guard and thought about Oher or Monroe. Alas.

Randy Moss?

Just don't mention that around Truck, he hates Oher and Monroe.:lol:


DONE!!! Who would've ever thought that Randy Moss would play for 3 separate teams in 1 year?

[CloeHokie]

Just don't mention that around Truck, he hates Oher and Monroe.:lol:


DONE!!! Who would've ever thought that Randy Moss would play for 3 separate teams in 1 year?

Its crazy. He went from making that nasty one handed TD over Revis to done in like a week.

I think he may stick around for a year but who knows. He could just be done done.

Why does he hate Oher? He has been a great pick. Heck even Monroe has at least stayed healthy and been in there. Lets see if Andre even shows up in shape this season.

[Bengal Dude]

Its crazy. He went from making that nasty one handed TD over Revis to done in like a week.

I think he may stick around for a year but who knows. He could just be done done.

Why does he hate Oher? He has been a great pick. Heck even Monroe has at least stayed healthy and been in there. Lets see if Andre even shows up in shape this season.

I think Moss will wind up like TO in Buffalo. He'll be one of the top WRs on the team, but he'll be forgettable.


I think he hates them because he thinks they're overrated. I guess he's remembered their stats from PFF in 2009. He has said that the Andre was/is the best OT from that draft.

[Bengal Dude]

Well I asked Reedy about Andre's option and he said that we don't have to make a decision until March.

[CloeHokie]

I think Moss will wind up like TO in Buffalo. He'll be one of the top WRs on the team, but he'll be forgettable.


I think he hates them because he thinks they're overrated. I guess he's remembered their stats from PFF in 2009. He has said that the Andre was/is the best OT from that draft.

I could still see him just calling it quits after a year like this.

Thats a crazy argument. Does he still think that? Hard to back up after Oher has started at Both OT spots and played well.

[eoxyod]

hoer has actually been pretty average, although Monroe has improved, as has Jason Smith

[Bengal Dude]

I could still see him just calling it quits after a year like this.

Thats a crazy argument. Does he still think that? Hard to back up after Oher has started at Both OT spots and played well.

Moss' attitude is clearly bad right now. I won't be surprised if teams pass over him completely.


Yeah, just mention Oher's name in JN and Truck will find that thread and tell you how terrible he is and why we should be thankful that we passed over him.

[CloeHokie]

hoer has actually been pretty average, although Monroe has improved, as has Jason Smith

They have all been better than Tubs mc tub a lot.

Lol, a good SP ref.

http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=77065

[Bengal Dude]

hoer has actually been pretty average, although Monroe has improved, as has Jason Smith

Oher would improve if he went back to RT. Monroe definitely took time to develop. He was bad his rookie year. Smith will always be viewed as a disappointment since he couldn't get the LT spot.

[Bengal Dude]

They have all been better than Tubs mc tub a lot.

Lol, a good SP ref.

http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=77065

Wow, that's back in the days where Kenny died in every episode.

[CloeHokie]

Moss' attitude is clearly bad right now. I won't be surprised if teams pass over him completely.


Yeah, just mention Oher's name in JN and Truck will find that thread and tell you how terrible he is and why we should be thankful that we passed over him.

I may find a Andre Smith thread and bring up Oher now. Hahahahaha.

Man, I need to go home and take a nap.

[Bengal Dude]

I may find a Andre Smith thread and bring up Oher now. Hahahahaha.

Man, I need to go home and take a nap.

Hang on there Cloe, I have a question about the iPhone.:lol:

[eoxyod]

They have all been better than Tubs mc tub a lot.

Lol, a good SP ref.

http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=77065
Nicely done
Oher would improve if he went back to RT. Monroe definitely took time to develop. He was bad his rookie year. Smith will always be viewed as a disappointment since he couldn't get the LT spot.

Indeed. Too bad Monrow got hurt so his development couldn't further itself. Andre just isn't very good AND can't stay on the field

[CloeHokie]

Wow, that's back in the days where Kenny died in every episode.

Indeed. A classic episode though. Whatever happened to Pip? Remember him?

Hang on there Cloe, I have a question about the iPhone.:lol:

:eek:

Thats what I have seriously been doing since ohhh 11:06 AM.

[CloeHokie]

There is a 6 or 7 year old kid in my store asking about the Iphone. :rotf:

Also

http://www.lolpix.com/_pics/Funny_Pictures_956/Funny_Pictures_95614.jpg

[Bengal Dude]

Indeed. Too bad Monrow got hurt so his development couldn't further itself. Andre just isn't very good AND can't stay on the field

He's only shown signs in one game.<_<

Indeed. A classic episode though. Whatever happened to Pip? Remember him?


Pip cracked me up. He was Butters before Butters. I know they don't use him as a character anymore, but I have seen him backgrounds once in a while.

[eoxyod]

Indeed. A classic episode though. Whatever happened to Pip? Remember him?



:eek:

Thats what I have seriously been doing since ohhh 11:06 AM.

I think they couldn't find any more use for him, and then they killed him in the cancelled episode

[Bengal Dude]

This is what Wikipedia says about Pip:

Voiced by Matt Stone, Pip Pirrup was featured mostly during the first few seasons of the series, having later been relegated to being a background character after his role in the show was replaced by Butters. Pip's real name is actually Phillip. Pip is originally from Britain, and shares his name with the main protagonist of the Charles Dickens novel Great Expectations. Wearing a bow tie and flat cap, he was often teased by his fellow classmates. While largely passive, the only thing that would drive him to anger is when fellow students mistake him for being French. The show's official website has noted that this is in reference to the animosity shared between some natives of Britain and France. A similar gag is seen in South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut, in which The Mole, a young French boy, is called "British" by Cartman. Pip is the central figure of an eponymous episode during the show's fourth season. The episode, which does not feature any of the show's other characters, was a comedic retelling of Great Expectations, with Pip assuming the role of his character's namesake. After this titular episode, Pip became a background character with only two further speaking appearances - as a candidate for the new fourth boy in "Professor Chaos" and then being absent for eight years until he reappeared briefly in "201" to beg Mecha-Streisand to spare South Park, who responded by stepping on him, appearing to kill him.

[eoxyod]

There is a 6 or 7 year old kid in my store asking about the Iphone. :rotf:



Why would a 7 year old need a phone? Especially an iPhone?

[CloeHokie]

This is what Wikipedia says about Pip:

Well Butters is way better. I love Butters. Lol

Why would a 7 year old need a phone? Especially an iPhone?

He already had one with ATT but didnt like his coverage. WTF!? You are 7! His mom came in shortly after and talked to one of my employees. LOL

[CloeHokie]

How do you rank our needs right now?

I think we will bring back either Benson or JJ but not both for some reason.

We really need a Safety. If we cant get one in FA we need to draft one early in the top 3 rounds. Maybe even a 2nd one later.

O line could use some help and WR as well as whatever spot we dont re sign. IE - RB/CB

[Bengal Dude]

How do you rank our needs right now?

I think we will bring back either Benson or JJ but not both for some reason.

We really need a Safety. If we cant get one in FA we need to draft one early in the top 3 rounds. Maybe even a 2nd one later.

O line could use some help and WR as well as whatever spot we dont re sign. IE - RB/CB

Our #1 need is definitely OL, but not worth our 1st pick.

I'm just hoping that we bring Joseph back. Scott and another back could take care of the running duties.

[CloeHokie]

Our #1 need is definitely OL, but not worth our 1st pick.

I'm just hoping that we bring Joseph back. Scott and another back could take care of the running duties.

Cant wait til FA is done and I can make a mock draft! Lol

[Bengal Dude]

Cant wait til FA is done and I can make a mock draft! Lol

We need to make a splash in free agency since we only have 6 draft picks.

[eoxyod]

He already had one with ATT but didnt like his coverage. WTF!? You are 7! His mom came in shortly after and talked to one of my employees. LOL
@.@
How do you rank our needs right now?

I think we will bring back either Benson or JJ but not both for some reason.

We really need a Safety. If we cant get one in FA we need to draft one early in the top 3 rounds. Maybe even a 2nd one later.

O line could use some help and WR as well as whatever spot we dont re sign. IE - RB/CB

I think RB will be fine with Scott and a later guy
DT is the top need right now, since Peko is crap and Geno is better off as a nickel rusher for at least another year.
Safety comes second since I think JJo is back
Then start from LG and move to the right and find replacements for those guys
And of course WR

[CloeHokie]

We need to make a splash in free agency since we only have 6 draft picks.

I want to get some key guys but not huge name FA if that makes sense.

@.@


I think RB will be fine with Scott and a later guy
DT is the top need right now, since Peko is crap and Geno is better off as a nickel rusher for at least another year.
Safety comes second since I think JJo is back
Then start from LG and move to the right and find replacements for those guys
And of course WR


I really like the Fairley pick but he may be gone at 4 and we wont move up. Car,Den,and Buf pick in front of us. Have to see if they need a DT.

[eoxyod]

I really like the Fairley pick but he may be gone at 4 and we wont move up. Car,Den,and Buf pick in front of us. Have to see if they need a DT.

I think fairley will be gone as well. I think we'll be going Green.
Fairley
Bowers
Peterson
Green

[Bengal Dude]

I really like the Fairley pick but he may be gone at 4 and we wont move up. Car,Den,and Buf pick in front of us. Have to see if they need a DT.

Carolina is the tough one. Rivera has run the 4-3 and 3-4. I know he coached the 3-4 in San Diego, but I think he favors the 4-3. Petersen seems like a lock for Denver. Buffalo is the tough one to gauge. KC showed that taking a 3-4 DE with the 3rd pick is incredibly stupid, but Buffalo is stupid. Like us.

[CloeHokie]

I think fairley will be gone as well. I think we'll be going Green.
Fairley
Bowers
Peterson
Green

Carolina is the tough one. Rivera has run the 4-3 and 3-4. I know he coached the 3-4 in San Diego, but I think he favors the 4-3. Petersen seems like a lock for Denver. Buffalo is the tough one to gauge. KC showed that taking a 3-4 DE with the 3rd pick is incredibly stupid, but Buffalo is stupid. Like us.

Seems like even if he is gone we can grab Green and get WR out of the way. Getting a nasty DT would be nice but its not crucial.

And I guess we still have a ways to go as well.

How high is Julio Jones ranked right now? He cold also be a nasty WR at the next level.

[Bengal Dude]

Seems like even if he is gone we can grab Green and get WR out of the way. Getting a nasty DT would be nice but its not crucial.

And I guess we still have a ways to go as well.

How high is Julio Jones ranked right now? He cold also be a nasty WR at the next level.

I've Jones from late top 10 to almost the 20th pick.

[eoxyod]

I've Jones from late top 10 to almost the 20th pick.

I think he'll be in the 8-12 range

[Bengal Dude]

I think he'll be in the 8-12 range

I wouldn't be surprised to see him go #6 to Cleveland.

[CINwillWIN]

I think he'll be in the 8-12 range

Do we need to pick a 4th overall WR? We desperately needed a TE, we got a great one at 29th... Is Green worth 4th if we still have Chad?

[Bengal Dude]

Do we need to pick a 4th overall WR? We desperately needed a TE, we got a great one at 29th... Is Green worth 4th if we still have Chad?

We got Gresham at 21.


Yes, Green is worth the #4 pick. If we hang onto Chad it'll be for only one more year. Green is being advertised as the best WR prospect since Randy Moss. I'd definitely take him.

[eoxyod]

Do we need to pick a 4th overall WR? We desperately needed a TE, we got a great one at 29th... Is Green worth 4th if we still have Chad?

If we draft BPA (Which we should), then yes

[CINwillWIN]

We got Gresham at 21.


Yes, Green is worth the #4 pick. If we hang onto Chad it'll be for only one more year. Green is being advertised as the best WR prospect since Randy Moss. I'd definitely take him.

If we draft BPA (Which we should), then yes

I just did't know this was our biggest need on this team...
Chad
Jerome
Andre
Jordan
(overall 4th pick)
Quan

Than picking up a FA:
(available in off season)

2011 NFL Free Agent Receivers

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Vincent Jackson (SD) – The Chargers still have a lot of progress to be made in retaining their own players. Philip Rivers found great success even without his big name receivers earlier in the year, which seems to make Vincent Jackson more expendable. Coach Norv Turner has paid complements to his star receiver, saying he’s a better player this year than he was last, which sends a message to the front office that they shouldn’t hesitate to bring him back in 2011 and onward.
Sidney Rice (MIN) – Coming back from a pretty serious hip injury, Rice continued to impress with his athletic ability and added to his highlight reel. His per game numbers didn’t mimic his dominant 2009 season, but that’s expected with lesser quarterback and offensive line play. Rice figures to play a large role in the organization’s future, making his re-signing every bit the priority of finding a playoff-caliber quarterback.
Santonio Holmes (NYJ) – Aside from the “character concerns,” the Steelers were quick to send Holmes packing to the highest bidder because of the expected cost in retaining Holmes this offseason. Now that decision will fall squarely on the shoulder of the Jets. Holmes is the best receiver in a very talented corps. He’s a good route runner and is known to come up big late in games. If the Jets have to choose only one of their two big name receivers, you’d have to think it would Holmes, who has the most targets and receptions on the team since week 5.
Braylon Edwards (NYJ) – Edwards has been the big play threat on an offense that is most explosive when the running game opens up the playaction to him down the field. Of the Jets’ star free agents this offseason, Edwards is the most likely to be let go though.



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Malcom Floyd (SD) – Floyd was given the highest tender last offseason and proved worthy of the contract in the games he played. After Philip Rivers’ performance in the absence of both Floyd and Jackson, the Chargers may decide to only keep one of the two and trade the other to make improvements elsewhere (maybe a new special teams coach). Floyd is a tall, athletic downfield threat with the body control to become a number one receiver in the league.
Steve Smith (NYG) – Smith was the perfect slot receiver for the Giants’ terrific threesome and was on his way to his second consecutive 1000-yard season before an injury derailed him in the middle of the year and leaves the start of his 2011 season in jeopardy. The Giants will know his situation best and are therefore the frontrunners for Steve Smith.
Terrell Owens (CIN) – It looks like the mouth on this man is directly correlated with his performance. The minute he starts putting up some decent numbers, he begins sharing his nonsense again. Production for the 37 year old TO surprised many this season, but by late season, he began blaming the coaching staff for its’ offensive struggles which many have reported will keep the Bengals from bringing him back. If he can find a new home next year, it would be his 6th different team in 9 seasons. He’s burned plenty of bridges and already had plenty of difficulty finding a team last offseason and no team has proven to be more kind to players looking for another chance than the Bengals. Given the talented receiver free agent class, I have a feeling this could have been the last season from TO in the NFL.
Randy Moss (TEN) – No one predicted this 2010 season for Moss. Just as loudly as he entered the league over a decade ago, he seems to be going away just as quietly. The Titans placed the only waiver claim on Moss who was released after a catering incident in Minnesota. Like TO, has he burned too many bridges too? If there’s any team that can light a fuse in Moss, it’s his old Patriots, but do they want the headache? Brady certainly doesn’t seem to need the help anyway.
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Mike Williams (SEA) – Is there anyone out there—Lions fans excluded—that didn’t love to see Mike Williams playing some good football for his old college coach? Let’s keep it simple, he’s staying in Seattle.
James Jones (GB) – Will the Packers be willing to pay Jones like a starting receiver? If not, he may be one of the first ones out of Green Bay if he becomes an unrestricted free agent. He’s as talented as any number of starting wideouts and has shown flashes that he could be just that. He has a knack of dropping passes here and there, but aside from that, James Jones is a complete receiver who can run the entire tree.
Steve Breaston (ARI) – The Cardinals know the health of Breaston’s knee better than any other teams. If it checks out clean, they also know his abilities better than anyone else. He’s a breakout star in the making and would form a formidable duo with Larry Fitzgerald if the team could get their quarterback situation untangled. Other Notable Free Agents:
Early Doucet (ARZ)
Brian Finneran (ATL)
Donte' Stallworth (BAL)
TJ Houshmandzadeh (BAL)
Rashied Davis (CHI)
Devin Aromashadu (CHI)
Chansi Stuckey (CLE)
Sam Hurd (DAL)
Jacoby Jones (HOU)
Mike Sims-Walker (JAC)
Kevin Curtis (MIA)
Hank Baskett (MIN)
Greg Lewis (MIN)
Lance Moore (NO)
Courtney Roby (NO)
Derek Hagan (NYG)
Darius Reynaud (NYG)
Brad Smith (NYJ)
Johnnie Lee Higgins (OAK)
Legedu Naanee (SD)
Ben Obomanu (SEA)
Laurent Robinson (STL)
Danny Amendola (STL)
Mark Clayton (STL)
Maurice Stovall (TB)
Santana Moss (WAS)


I would almost say our biggest need is still the O-line...Andre was a crap pick so far...

[Bengal Dude]

After Coles and Bryant I don't expect Mike Brown to get a big FA receiver.

[CloeHokie]

I wouldnt mind taking a nasty WR because even if Chad stays this year its his last and he is getting older.

[CINwillWIN]

2011 NFL Free Agent Offensive Linemen

By: Roshan Bhagat




Tyson Clabo (ATL) – Clabo has formed one half of Atlanta’s dominant run-blocking right side. He’s a nasty, physical run blocking tackle who has developed into a steady pass blocker as well. Though the Falcons have several key components of their offensive line set to hit free agency this offseason, none will be more important than ensuring that Ryan stays upright than Clabo. Entering the league as an undrafted free agent, Clabo will be set to strike a lucrative deal.
Doug Free (DAL) – After parting ways with lifelong Cowboy, Flozell Adams, the Cowboys may have found their left tackle for the next decade in Doug Free. He isn’t quite the same run blocker, but he’s proven to be a significant upgrade in pass protection over what Adams has been the last several years. Free has 7 false starts this year, but has also only allowed 5 sacks. If he can clean up the mental problems, he should be a great blindside pass protector for many years in Dallas.
Jared Gaither (BAL) – Though rumors last offseason had Jared Gaither on the trade block, Gaither has proclaimed his desire to return to the Ravens next season. A back injury sidelined him for the entirety of this season and allowed Michael Oher to move into left tackle, where he’ll likely settle in. The injury may potentially allow the Ravens to pay Gaither as a right tackle, increasing the likelihood the organization brings him back.
Jammal Brown (WAS) – With rookie Trent Williams playing the left side, Jammal Brown has started on the right side for the first time in his pro career. He struggled early in the season as he recovered from injury, but has since turned around his play. He’s a far cry from where he was in his prime, but the Redskins have had success running the ball behind him. The organization hasn’t shied away from spending money on players, but they could get a bargain in Brown, if he continues his upward ascension from injury.

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Matt Light (NE) – Light will be 33 next season and coming off his worst season in several years giving up double digit sacks on the left side. 2nd year right tackle Sebastian Vollmer is coming off an All-Pro caliber season at right tackle and has proven capable of stonewalling pass rushers from the left side as well. The aging Matt Light finally seems expendable after giving Tom Brady nearly a decade of great protection.
Jermon Bushrod (NO) – Bushrod hasn’t been nearly as effective at left tackle this season as he was as a fill-in for Jammal Brown a season ago. He’s been average in both pass protection and run-blocking and has 6 false start penalties as well. With offensive guard Carl Nicks set to hit free agency as well, the Saints will likely worry more about their Pro Bowl caliber left guard before getting to Bushrod, especially if they believe Charles Brown is the eventual left tackle for the offense.
Willie Colon (PIT) – Colon had started 50 consecutive games for the Steelers at right tackle with improvement each year before missing all of 2010 with a torn Achilles. He was the team’s best blocker in 2009 and has surprisingly traveled with the organization for each of their games. With an offensive line that has been decimated by injury, the reunion of Colon and Pittsburgh in 2011 seems likely.
Other Notable Free Agents:
Alex Barron (DAL)
Ryan Harris (DEN)
Corey Hilliard (DET)
Rashad Butler (HOU)
Charlie Johnson (IND)
Ryan O'Callaghan (KC)
Pat McQuistan (MIA)
Ryan Cook (MIN)
Zach Strief (NO)
Wayne Hunter (NYJ)
Khalif Barnes (OAK)
Langston Walker (OAK)
Mario Henderson (OAK)
Trai Essex (PIT)
Jonathan Scott (PIT)
Jeromey Clary (SD)
Barry Sims (SF)
Sean Locklear (SEA)
Adam Goldberg (STL)
John Greco (STL)
Jeremy Trueblood (TB)
Stephon Heyer (WAS)

INTERIOR LINEMEN:
Carl Nicks (NO) – Both Jahri Evans and Nicks made it to the Pro Bowl this year, but it was Nicks who had the better season. The Saints run game was best when backs ran it up the middle and over left tackle, both partially attributed to Nicks’ success. The organization also just recently made Jahri Evans the league’s highest paid guard so it’ll be interesting to see if New Orleans also has the highest offer on the table for Nicks if he becomes an unrestricted free agent. They also have Bushrod and Jonathan Goodwin becoming free agents, so if they re-sign Nicks, it almost definitely will mean letting go of Bushrod at left tackle.
Logan Mankins (NE) – The return of Logan Mankins has reinstalled some more nasty into the offensive line and bolstered protection for Tom Brady who has been able to sit back in the pocket and not force throws. With his return, the Patriots have sustained success in the run game with Green-Ellis and Danny Woodhead, an unlikely tandem. Though he isn’t playing at quite the same level he was the past three seasons, Mankins continues to be one of the top guards in the league and will be handsomely rewarded this offseason.
Davin Joseph (TB) – Davin Joseph was playing terrific football for the Buccaneers before he fractured his foot in November, sending him to the IR. He’s an excellent run blocker and a good pass blocker, who will one of the top guards if the Buccaneers allow him to reach free agency. Don’t expect them to just let their best offensive linemen go without a fight though.
Harvey Dahl (ATL) – Ask opposing players who have faced Harvey Dahl and they’ll tell you that the right guard brings some extra nasty with him every week. He and Clabo combine to form a physical, dominant right side for the Atlanta Falcons, which allows the offense to control the line of scrimmage. Expect both to re-sign in Atlanta.
Ryan Kalil (CAR) – The Panthers have an uphill battle to return to the playoffs and seemingly have holes at nearly every position. However, center is not one of them, with Ryan Kalil playing consistently good football for them for the entirety of his rookie contract. Re-signing Kalil is the biggest no-brainer the Panthers have this year outside of drafting Andrew Luck if he decides to come out. Just don’t expect the team to use the franchise tag on him as offensive linemen are grouped together for the tag values, which means he’d be making the money of an offensive tackle.
Daryn Colledge (GB) – Colledge has been a bit up and down this season. The Packers have struggled to run the ball with any semblance of consistency and some of that can be attributed to the offensive line. Colledge isn’t able to move defenders off the ball with regularity, but is pretty good in pass protection. With TJ Lang and several other potential prospects vying for left guard, the Packers may not have the money to commit to Colledge after they negotiate with more pivotal free agents. Other Notable Free Agents:
Alan Faneca (ARZ)
Deuce Lutui (ARZ)
Lyle Sendlein (ARZ)
Justin Blalock (ATL)
Chris Chester (BAL)
Marshal Yanda (BAL)
Olin Kreutz (CHI)
Evan Mathis (CIN)
Kyle Cook (CIN)
Nate Livings (CIN)
Kyle Kosier (DAL)
Jason Spitz (GB)
Kasey Studdard (HOU)
Mike Brisiel (HOU)
Kyle DeVan (IND)
Mike Pollak (IND)
Rudy Niswanger (KC)
Casey Wiegmann (KC)
Richie Incognito (MIA)
Nate Garner (MIA)
Jonathan Goodwin (NO)
Kevin Boothe (NYG)
Samson Satele (OAK)
Reggie Wells (PHI)
Scott Mruczkowski (SD)
David Baas (SF)
Chris Spencer (SEA)
Leroy Harris (TEN)
Will Montgomery (WAS)

Maybe Mikey should look at getting a big jump on linemen... some good ones on the list this season!!

[Bengal Dude]

I wouldnt mind taking a nasty WR because even if Chad stays this year its his last and he is getting older.

Plus he's showing more devotion to his off field career.

[CINwillWIN]

2011 NFL Free Agent Running Backs

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DeAngelo Williams (CAR) – Jonathan Stewart and the emergence of Mike Goodson could make DeAngelo Williams expendable to the Panthers. After a short-lived, ineffective 2010 season, a tag and trade seems less likely. If he’s an unrestricted free agent after this year, Williams could leave Carolina for a team willing to offer him a starting position and the money that comes along with it.
Arian Foster (HOU) – With little else to play for, the Texans remain committed in helping Arian Foster win the rushing title. After spending time on the team’s practice squad last year, he was promoted late in the season and rolled his success into this year. He’s quickly become of the league’s most talented and polished running backs. He’ll likely be an exclusive rights free agent, giving the Texans all the leverage in the world to re-sign him below market value.
Ahmad Bradshaw (NYG) – While sharing the run game with Brandon Jacobs, Bradshaw put together his most impressive season yet with over 1500 yards from scrimmage. Still, there seems to be some sort of hex on Giants’ running backs who just can’t protect the ball. First it was Barber and now Jacobs and Bradshaw, who lost 6 of 7 fumbles this year. Turnovers were a big part of Giants’ losses, including a crucial one to Green Bay on the road, but it would be surprising to see New York part ways with a good runner and receiver because of fumble problems after watching Tiki Barber get over the same issues later in his career.
Cedric Benson (CIN) – The former first-round bust ran for over 1000 yards in his 2nd consecutive season, though far less efficiently this year. The Bengals are also high on Bernard Scott who ran effectively late in the season, but Cincinnati seems like a good home for Benson where he can run between the tackles.
Mike Tolbert (SD) – The 2010 season ushered in the return of the bruisers at running back and few were more effective than the former fullback, Mike Tolbert. With first round pick, Ryan Mathews, banged up for much of the year, Tolbert took control of the Chargers backfield and plowed over defenders for nearly 1000 yards from scrimmage. The organization is very high on Tolbert and will make all efforts to re-sign him this offseason, where he’ll probably be a restricted free agent, regardless of how the CBA plays out.
Darren Sproles (SD) – With Tolbert seizing the hype out of San Diego, the need for Sproles may have diminished enough where the Chargers may allow him to leave in free agency for a more lucrative offer elsewhere. They heavily utilized him as a receiving back where he eclipsed the 500 yard mark on around 60 receptions. Including returns, he averaged about 10 touches per game, which is probably his ideal number.
BenJarvus Green-Ellis (NE) – Heading into the final week, BenJarvus Green-Ellis has a shot at eclipsing the 1000-yard mark for the first time in his career. He’s been effective bouncing between the tackles and is a perfect fit in New England. He’ll most likely be a restricted free agent in any CBA scenario, giving the Patriots the edge to re-sign Ellis, a tough back who lacks long speed.
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Ronnie Brown (MIA) – In a contract year, Brown accomplished something he’s never done in his entire six-year career: start all 16 games. He also posted another first and that is finishing the season with a YPC below 4. At 29 with an injury history and a lone 1000 yard season in his career, Brown hasn’t earned his second big contract, despite the talent that would warrant it. He may look for a short deal—either in Miami or elsewhere—hoping to recapture some of his youth and cash in on one larger one in the very near future.
Ricky Williams (MIA) – Williams continues to defy the odds as he turned in another successful rushing season over the age of 30. The Dolphins would be wise to offer him an incentive-laden contract and continue to use him in a timeshare role in the offense, whether or not it’s with Ronnie Brown.
Michael Bush (OAK) – Even with McFadden’s breakout season, his lingering injuries may concern the Raiders enough to keep Michael Bush as an insurance policy. Bush hasn’t been explosive enough to warrant consideration as a starter around the league, improving the odds he stays Oakland.
Pierre Thomas (NO) – Thomas hasn’t been very effective this season even when healthy. However, a good postseason could go a long way into earning himself some coin this offseason. If he can shine in the spotlight, the Saints may feel obligated to re-sign Thomas.
Leon Washington (SEA) – The dynamic returner will surely receive a long-term offer from the Seahawks after his sensational year. After getting his legs back, he should expect an expanded workload on offense in addition to his special teams duties where he’s single-handedly kept them in several games.
Vonta Leach (HOU) (FB) – The Pro Bowl fullback loves smashing heads with linebackers and has paved the way for what may be the league’s leading rusher. Houston will look to keep its ground success going, which very much includes Leach.
Le’Ron McClain (BAL) (FB) – McClain will probably ask for more carries and given the success of Peyton Hillis, a similarly proportioned back, maybe he’ll find it elsewhere. The Ravens will still have strong interest in retaining his services though. John Kuhn (GB) (FB) – Kuhn has become a fan favorite and a locker room leader in Green Bay. He’s a lunch pail guy who provides versatility on offense and consistency on special teams. The Packers tend to take care of their own. Other Notable Free Agents:
Tim Hightower (ARZ)
Jerious Norwood (ATL)
Mike Bell (CLE)
Laurence Maroney (DEN)
Kevin Smith (DET)
Brandon Jackson (GB )
Derrick Ward (HOU)
Joseph Addai (IND)
Mike Hart (IND)
Patrick Cobbs (MIA)
Sammy Morris (NE)
Kevin Faulk (NE)
Fred Taylor (NE)
Danny Ware (NYG)
Jerome Harrison (PHI)
Mewelde Moore (PIT)
Brian Westbrook (SF)
Kenneth Darby (STL)
Michael Spurlock (TB )
Cadillac Williams (TB )
Jason Snelling (ATL) (FB )
Brian Leonard (CIN) (FB )
Lawrence Vickers (CLE) (FB )
Jerome Felton (DET) (FB )
Korey Hall (GB) (FB )
Lex Hilliard (MIA) (FB )
Naufahu Tahi (MIN) (FB )
Tony Richardson (NYJ) (FB )
Heath Evans (NO) (FB )
Marcel Reece (OAK) (FB )
Ahmard Hall (TEN) (FB )

There are some stud FA RB also... CED? (2.7 yards a carry isn't too premier)

[CloeHokie]

Thats a lot of good lineman. I think we should go that route in FA. Nice List.

[Bengal Dude]

Well kiss Fairley goodbye.

[CINwillWIN]

Well kiss Fairley goodbye.

Why?

[Bengal Dude]

Why?

Rivera is doing his intro PC with Carolina right now. He said they're going to run the 4-3 D. That most likely means that Fairley will be their pick.

[CINwillWIN]

Rivera is doing his intro PC with Carolina right now. He said they're going to run the 4-3 D. That most likely means that Fairley will be their pick.

There are some good FAs' on that side of the ball also!!


2011 NFL Free Agent Defensive Linemen

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Defensive Ends:
Cullen Jenkins (GB) – Jenkins is a scheme-diverse linemen who consistently plays with outstanding leverage. He’s a terrific pass rusher who can get penetration on tackles and guards en route to the quarterback. The Packers have a strong rotation and while they will still pursue him, they may not be willing to pay him what it takes to keep him in Green Bay. If he hits the market, his only concern is that he’s somewhat injury-prone, but should otherwise be a disruptive lineman on any team.
Mathias Kiwanuka (NYG) – Kiwanuka is an explosive pass rusher who over the years has gotten lost amidst the talented Giants front 7. He’s an explosive pass rusher who was having a productive year before a herniated disc in his neck sidelined him for much of the season. The Giants have expressed interest in bringing him back, but with playing time in question, it will be interesting to see what Kiwanuka decides.

Charles Johnson (CAR) – Julius who? The Panthers replaced Peppers with 2007 3rd round pick, who quietly reached double digit sacks and surpassed Peppers’ sack total this year. The Panthers hope they can get most of the production with half the cost in Charles Johnson. Re-signing Johnson is right up there with Ryan Kalil in the team’s no-brainer moves this offseason.
Ray Edwards (MIN) – Edwards came very quietly out of the gates recording only 1.5 sacks in his first 7 games. He’s since picked up the slack, but the Vikings have a lot of faith in their team’s ability to groom defensive line prospects, such as Brian Robison, who is also a free agent. Re-signing Edwards probably won’t be at the top of the team’s priority list and his return to Minnesota will depend upon Edwards’ contract expectations.
Jason Babin (TEN) – Babin has finally put together a season worthy of his 1st round draft status many years ago. He’s a hard-working end with a strong motor and has only 1 game this season without a sack or stuff. Given the long list of teams where he hasn’t succeeded, the Titans should be the heavy favorites to re-sign Babin.
Shaun Ellis (NYJ) – Ellis has been a key component of the Jets’ defense for many years now, but this may be his final season there. The team has plenty of free agents, or soon-to-be free agents that will need to be addressed to keep the core components of the team intact. Ellis is still an adequate 5-technique and may have moderate interest this offseason.
Other Notable Free Agents:

http://ad.doubleclick.net/ad/N5767.fantansysportsveOX3141/B4681001.11;sz=1x1;ord=564087? Kenny Iwebema (ARZ)
Bryan Robinson (ARZ)
Jayme Mitchell (CLE)
Robaire Smith (CLE)
Stephen Bowen (DAL)
Jason Hatcher (DAL)
Marcus Spears (DAL)
Cliff Avril (DET)
Turk McBride (DET)
Mark Anderson (HOU)
Wallace Gilberry (KC)
Shaun Smith (KC)
Tony McDaniel (MIA)
Brian Robison (MIN)
Anthony Hargrove (NO)
Jimmy Wilkerson (NO)
Dave Tollefson (NYG)
Victor Abiamiri (PHI)
Nick Eason (PIT)
Chris Hoke (PIT)
Jacques Cesaire (SD)
Travis Johnson (SD)
Ray McDonald (SF)
CJ Ah You (STL)
Tim Crowder (TB)
Greg White (TB)
Dave Ball (TEN)
Kedric Golston (WAS)

Defensive Tackles:
Haloti Ngata (BAL) - The contract Ngata will get from the Ravens this year probably still won’t be large enough to accommodate him as the league’s best defensive linemen who has been playing several years for far below his actual value. His impact on the Ravens defense is immeasurable and he’s made great strides as a pass rusher over the years as well. Ngata is a truly dominant football player.
Richard Seymour (OAK) – Seymour’s presence, production, and incalculable veteran leadership has helped spark a resurgence in Oakland. While initially displeased with the trade that brought him to the Raiders last year, Seymour has opened up to donning the silver and black long term. Al Davis has no problem spending money, so it would be a surprise if he didn’t have the highest offer on the table for Seymour, who has earned every penny he’ll see through his play this year.
Brandon Mebane (SEA) – At only 6’1, Mebane has the natural leverage and quickness to give interior linemen fits. He’s as underrated as they come and when you look at his numbers, it’s easy to see why he’s often snubbed when the discussion of the best defensive tackles comes up. Mebane has the work ethic and the tools to be a dominant defensive tackle for next decade and has been instrumental to the Seahawks’ run defense over the last 2 seasons.
Aubrayo Franklin (SF) – Though not as terrific as last year, Franklin had another strong season as the nose tackle for the 49ers. He was late to report to the Niners after they slapped him with the franchise tag. Franklin will be looking for his long-term extension this season and if the organization doesn’t reward him again this year, he’ll won’t hesitate to look elsewhere, as long as they don’t place the franchise tag on him yet again.
Pat Williams (MIN) – So much for the retirement talks of last offseason. Through recent comments, he already seems ready for next year and he’s already the league’s oldest defensive player. While the Vikings have had a disappointing season, Pat Williams has continued to play at a productive level. With a lot of upcoming free agents, it’ll be interesting to see how the front office approaches this offseason. Williams has predicted a “rough” transition for the team. Though he’s ready to return if the Vikings want him, he’s also open to going to another Super Bowl contender. Other Notable Free Agents:
Alan Branch (ARZ)
Gabe Watson (ARZ)
John McCargo (BUF)
Nick Hayden (CAR)
Anthony Adams (CHI)
Matt Toeaina (CHI)
Andre Fluellen (DET)
Shaun Cody (HOU)
Antonio Johnson (IND)
Daniel Muir (IND)
Eric Foster (IND)
Ron Edwards (KC)
Paul Soliai (MIA)
Fred Evans (MIN)
Gerard Warren (NE)
Remi Ayodele (NO)
Barry Coefield (NYG)
John Henderson (OAK)
Chris Hovan (STL)
Clifton Ryan (STL)

[eoxyod]

Rivera is doing his intro PC with Carolina right now. He said they're going to run the 4-3 D. That most likely means that Fairley will be their pick.

It'd either be him or Bowers to bookend Charlese Johnson at RE

[Bengal Dude]

It'd either be him or Bowers to bookend Charlese Johnson at RE

I'd imagine them going with Fairley and then Mike Brown falls in love with Bowers or Quinn.

[CINwillWIN]

Might as well put the last two up:

I think Thornton on the bottom of this list would be a steal if we lose Johnson to FA.


2011 NFL Free Agent Linebackers

By: Roshan Bhagat






Chad Greenway (MIN) – For three years, Greenway has been a consistent linebacker for the Vikings. While the Vikings took a step back, the Iowa product took a step forward and has become an elite 4-3 outside linebacker. He’s an instinctive, well-rounded player who excels at stopping the run at the line of scrimmage. The Vikings can’t afford to lose a player of his caliber.
LaMarr Woodley (PIT) – Woodley was somewhat of a disappointment this year, but that’s only because he expected to take the next step and join the elites this year. Still, he remains one of the best left outside linebackers in the game with the ability to play all facets of the game effectively. The Steelers draft and develop linebackers better than any other franchise, but they have little reason to part ways with a player who has helped form the backbone of one of the league’s best defenses.
Tamba Hali (KC) – Hali has become an outstanding pass rusher the last two seasons while spending more time on his feet. He’s a consistent and relentless rush linebacker with a good burst off the edge. Though he’s more one-dimensional than Woodley, he’s probably had a bigger impact for the Chiefs defense. Without him, their pass rush would significantly diminish and the entire defense would suffer a big setback.
David Harris (NYJ) – Harris has flirted with becoming a great linebacker the last two seasons, but still hasn’t reached that level. Given his experience, I question whether he’ll ever get there, but his presence in the middle is still crucial to the success of the Jets defense. While he’s not great in coverage, he’s a great downhill linebacker that controls the pulse of the front 7. Without him, the Jets linebacking corps takes a big step back as does their run defense which very rarely allows 100 yard runners.
Stephen Tulloch (TEN) – Tulloch has had a better season in the middle of the Titans defense than most would have expected coming into the year. He trails only Jerod Mayo in tackles and has been just as good as his numbers indicate. He does a good job in the hole and cleans up plays.
Paul Posluszny (BUF) – Posluszny has difficulties playing the entire season, but when he’s healthy, he’s a very smart, instinctual linebacker in the middle of the defense. The Bills don’t have a particularly strong defensive line, which asks Posluszny to play through blockers a lot. The Bills have many holes in their run defense, but Posluszny isn’t one of them.
James Anderson (CAR) – The breakout of strongside linebacker James Anderson has been one of the bright spot for the Panthers. Anderson has done a nice job of filling the stat sheet and has been every bit as productive for the Panthers defense as it looks on paper. If Thomas Davis could return to form, the Panthers linebacking corps could be one of the strongest in the league after they lock of James Anderson in what seems like an obvious move.
Rocky McIntosh (WAS) – The Redskins have a number of free agents this offseason and Rocky McIntosh appears to be one of those that won’t be re-signed. He struggled to adapt to the Redskins schematic switch to the 3-4 defense, which is in Washington to stay. If he becomes a restricted free agent (depending on the CBA), the Redskins could tender him and see what comes of what.
Thomas Davis (CAR) – Before suffering a torn ACL, Thomas Davis was having his best season as the Panthers’ outside linebacker. Shortly after recovering, Davis suffered a 2nd torn ACL, which has kept him off the field for all of 2010. Who knows how effective he’ll be when he returns to the field, but the Panthers have expressed interest in returning him to Carolina.
Barrett Ruud (TB) – Into training camp, Ruud was pretty angry about not getting a long-term extension, especially when he was passed over for left tackle Donald Penn. After this season, it looks like the Buccaneers won in their decision to not re-sign him. Ruud has been somewhat disappointing this season, especially when asked to do more in coverage. He also has the tendency to get engulfed by guards, which puts him in limbo as far as middle linebackers are concerned. As the Buccaneers go back to more Tampa 2, the middle linebacker’s coverage ability will continue to be accentuated. It’ll be interesting to see the initial ballpark Ruud’s agent throws out to the Buccaneers and how far apart they are to begin with.
Takeo Spikes (SF) – Takeo Spikes has played well at 34 years of age and no one knows this better than Patrick Willis, who has “urged” his team to bring Spikes back next season. With the combination of Spikes and Willis in the middle playing behind Aubrayo Franklin, the 49ers have had one of the best run defenses between the guards. Other Notable Free Agents:
Stephen Nicholas (ATL)
Mike Peterson (ATL)
Tavares Gooden (BAL)
Keith Ellison (BUF)
Jamar Williams (CAR)
Pisa Tinoisamoa (CHI)
Nick Roach (CHI)
Dhani Jones (CIN)
Brandon Johnson (CIN)
D’Qwell Jackson (CLE)
Chris Gocong (CLE)
Matt Roth (CLE)
Jason Trusnik (CLE)
Landon Johnson (DET)
Zach Diles (HOU)
Kevin Bentley (HOU)
Clint Session (IND)
Justin Durant (JAC)
Kirk Morrison (JAC)
Mike Vrabel (KC)
Quentin Moses (MIA)
Ben Leber (MIN)
Erin Henderson (MIN)
Tracy White (NE)
Danny Clark (NO)
Scott Shanle (NO)
Chase Blackburn (NYG)
Keith Bulluck (NYG)
Thomas Howard (OAK)
Kamerion Wimbley (OAK)
Stewart Bradley (PHI)
Ernie Sims (PHI)
Omar Gaither (PHI)
Antwan Barnes (SD)
Kevin Burnett (SD)
Stephen Cooper (SD)
Brandon Siler (SD)
Travis LaBoy (SF)
Manny Lawson (SF)
Will Herring (SEA)
Leroy Hill (SEA)
Matt McCoy (SEA)
David Vobora (STL)
Quincy Black (TB)
David Thornton (TEN)

2011 NFL Free Agent Defensive Backs
By: Roshan Bhagat
Top Cornerbacks:

Champ Bailey (DEN) – With the Broncos in a period of transition, this may very well be Champ Bailey’s final season in Denver. While injuries have lessened his effectiveness the last couple years, he returned to form this season to stay among the league’s 5 best corners. There have been no talks of a contract extension so far, but Champ remains committed to returning to the Broncos if the interest is mutual.

Nnamdi Asomugha (OAK) – It should say something about the importance of statistics when a player can have an All-Pro season, yet not achieve minimal performance marks, which renders the rest of his contract null and void. The Raiders are unable to place the franchise tag on Asomugha, making the league’s best corner the prize of free agency. There’s some buzz that he wants to go to a Super Bowl contender such as the Jets or Packers (where he has ties with Woodson). The Packers seem like an unlikely destination given their strong, highly paid secondary and the Jets may want to pursue him, but that would leave holes in their roster elsewhere. This will be the most exciting story to follow this offseason.

Brent Grimes (ATL) – Grimes had a fantastic season for an improved Falcons defense. Going into the final week, he’s one back of the leader in deflected passes. As an undrafted player, he’s worked his way and improved each season to become one of the league’s better corners now. With the secondary struggles in Atlanta over the past few years, they’ll show their appreciation for Grimes in the offseason.

Carlos Rogers (WAS) – Rogers has been a solid cover corner for years now and one of the leaders in Washington’s secondary. Still, I’ve never seen anyone in the league with worse hands than Rogers. An average set of hands would have allowed him at least a couple more picks per season and that’s why he doesn’t generally get the credit he deserves. Some Redskins fans will cringe if the Redskins bring him back, but in reality, they could do much worse from a starting corner.

Johnathan Joseph (CIN) – The Bengals’ corners awakened in 2009 to help lead a good pass defense, but 2010 turned out to be a different story. Both Joseph and Hall regressed and the results in the Bengals secondary showed. Joseph is physical and aggressive and good in any scheme. If the Bengals do hit him with the franchise tag, Joseph has said he’ll sign it on the first day, though he’s holding out hope that the two sides can reach a deal before that point.



Ronde Barber (TB) – Though Barber and the Buccaneers haven’t discussed a new contract, he’s returned to playing at a high level and Coach Raheem Morris has given Barber plenty of praise asking him to return to the team in 2011. It should just be a matter of getting the business side sorted out if Barber decides he wants to continue playing.

Antonio Cromartie (NYJ) – Cromartie is one of several big names hitting the market this year for the Jets. He hasn’t panned out as the elite playmaker many media outlets expected he would opposite Darrelle Revis, but he has given the Jets some flexibility at cornerback. Cromartie’s stiffness and long strides makes him an ideal candidate to be victimized by smaller, elite route running receivers, but he’s effective defending down the field. Because Kyle Wilson hasn’t lived up to expectations, the Jets may look to re-sign him with more urgency.

Ike Taylor (PIT) – Ike Taylor has been the lone, consistent cornerback for the Steelers over the past 5+ years. His ability to shadow receivers effectively and come up in run support has allowed the Steelers to do a little more creatively up front. With a lack of depth behind him, it would be surprising to see the Steelers let Ike Taylor to leave, even though he has lost a step.

Richard Marshall (CAR) – Marshall has been okay in coverage over the years, but good in run support. He won’t be at the top of the Panthers priority list, but if they do offer him a fair long-term deal, Marshall is ready to sign immediately.

Other Notable Free Agents:




Brian Williams (ATL)
Chris Carr (BAL)
Fabian Washington (BAL)
Josh Wilson (BAL)
Drayton Florence (BUF)
Richard Marshall (CAR)
Corey Graham (CHI)
Eric Wright (CLE)
CC Brown (DET)
Brandon McDonald (DET)
Chris Houston (DET)
Josh Bell (GB)
Jason Allen (HOU)
Travis Daniels (KC)
Brandon Carr (KC)
Al Harris (MIA)
Lito Sheppard (MIN)
Frank Walker (MIN)
Kyle Arrington (NE)
Usama Young (NO)
Drew Coleman (NYJ)
Stanford Routt (OAK)
William Gay (PIT)
Paul Oliver (SD)
Dashon Goldson (SF)
Kelly Jennings (SEA)
Roy Lewis (SEA)
Justin King (STL)
Roderick Hood (TEN)
Phillip Buchanon (WAS)


Safeties:

Quintin Mikell (PHI) – It looks like the Eagles will be set at safety if they can re-sign Quintin Mikell at strong safety next to rookie Nate Allen at free safety. Mikell hasn’t been as impressive this season as last, but is still one of the league’s better starting strong safeties. The Eagles secondary has struggled this year and will look to bring back one of their most consistent pieces in the back end.

Roman Harper (NO) – The Saints feel they have something going in the secondary and their top 10 defense reflects just that. The entire defense was snubbed from the Pro Bowl, but the tandem of Malcolm Jenkins and Roman Harper at safety is about as good as it gets. Jenkins, a converted corner, has developed into a fine coverage safety, while Roman Harper is a great hitter and tough in run support. Aside from reinvesting in their offensive line, Harper will be one of the team’s highest priorities this season.

Eric Weddle (SD) – Though Weddle hasn’t made too many impact plays this season, he’s been a great emerging player for them in the secondary. He’s a well-rounded player—which stems back from his days at Utah—who can play both the run and pass effectively. The Chargers have several expiring contracts, primarily on offense, but re-signing Weddle defensively seems like a solid logical bet.

Dawan Landry (BAL) – Dawan Landry is having a bounce back season after a pair of disappointing ones in coverage. The Ravens had high expectations following a superb rookie season, but had been beaten over the top too often the next two years. Though he hasn’t made as many impact plays as his rookie year, or even last season, Landry has been far more consistent and is building off of his career high in tackles.

Tanard Jackson (TB) – Jackson is an impressive young safety on the football field and figured to be a difference maker for the Buccaneers early this season. However, after the 2nd game, he was suspended indefinitely for his 3rd violation of the league’s substance abuse policy. The Buccaneers are standing behind him, but it comes as a big disappointment. He won’t be eligible to be reinstated until September 22, 2011, making him a big gamble for whoever looks to retain his services.

Bernard Pollard (HOU) – The Texans had reason to be ecstatic over their free agent signing of 2009, who immensely improved the team’s run defense. This year has brought a different tune and shown why Pollard was cut from the Chiefs last year to begin with. While he’s still strong in run support, he’s been victimized more than any other Texan for touchdowns this season. His lousy pass defense is further accentuated by poor cornerback play. Pollard is a marginal safety, but can be a decent fill-in for a team with an already strong secondary, something the Texans cannot claim to have.

Atari Bigby (GB) – Bigby has plenty of potential as a safety, but also embodies the definition of injury-prone. Rookie Morgan Burnett was playing well before his season-ending injury and Charlie Peprah has been more than adequate as his replacement. Peprah’s also a free agent, but should be a cheaper alternative to the hard-hitting Bigby.

Other Notable Free Agents:
Matt Ware (ARZ)
Haruki Nakamura (BAL)
Tom Zbikowski (BAL)
George Wilson (BUF)
Gerald Alexander (CAR)
Chinedum Ndukwe (CIN)
Gibril Wilson (CIN)
Danieal Manning (CHI)
Abram Elam (CLE)
Sabby Piscitelli (CLE)
Alan Ball (DAL)
Gerald Sensabaugh (DAL)
Charlie Peprah (GB)
Anthony Smith (GB)
Melvin Bullitt (IND)
Sean Considine (JAC)
Tyrell Johnson (MIN)
Husain Abdullah (MIN)
Brandon McGowan (NE)
Jarrad Page (NE)
Darren Sharper (NO)
Michael Johnson (NYG)
Deon Grant (NYG)
Brodney Pool (NYJ)
Eric Smith (NYJ)
Lawyer Milloy (SEA)
Reed Doughty (WAS)

[eoxyod]

I'd imagine them going with Fairley and then Mike Brown falls in love with Bowers or Quinn.

Michael Johnson back to SLB :(

[Bengal Dude]

Michael Johnson back to SLB :(

Then a DE will get injured and MJ will replace them after spending the whole offseason at LB.

[browns town bengal]

I havent been paying attention for awhile but have the killers put out anything good lately? I remember a few years ago there was always a decent tune out. But I havent heard a good tune from them in awhile.

[CloeHokie]

I havent been paying attention for awhile but have the killers put out anything good lately? I remember a few years ago there was always a decent tune out. But I havent heard a good tune from them in awhile.

I havent heard anything from them in a while either.

[Bengal Dude]

I havent heard anything from them in a while either.

They've been on hiatus for a while. I believe they're going to work on some new stuff later this year.

[CloeHokie]

They've been on hiatus for a while. I believe they're going to work on some new stuff later this year.

Sounds about right. Playing some Madden. Julio Jones is so nasty in this game its making me want to draft him. :lol:

[eoxyod]

Brandon Flowers was busy playing in the playoffs

[Bengal Dude]

Sounds about right. Playing some Madden. Julio Jones is so nasty in this game its making me want to draft him. :lol:

He is crazy. I just got him in my draft (not the updated one) and he is a gem in the red zone.

[Bengal Dude]

http://chzupnextinsports.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/enhanced-logos-3.jpg

[ishouldbegm]

how come there is no nfl team from hawaii?

[cinc4ever1]

He is crazy. I just got him in my draft (not the updated one) and he is a gem in the red zone.



I just finshed my draft and played my first game with new players.I was shocked at how many good players went in the draft.Even players that didn't declare went.

[Bengal Dude]

I just finshed my draft and played my first game with new players.I was shocked at how many good players went in the draft.Even players that didn't declare went.

I just finished another dynasty. Fairley declared so I'm hoping he'll be in the draft.

[cinc4ever1]

I just finished another dynasty. Fairley declared so I'm hoping he'll be in the draft.

I ended up with a really good draft.Traded T,O,and Odom for first rounders from the Bills,and Rams.So I had 2 very high picks.Then I just kept trading out and picking up extra 3rds.Here is who I drafted.

Andrew Luck.Won the freking Heisman and went in the 6th
Mark Ingram got him in the 2nd
Owen Marecic had to get him in the 3rd round
A.J Green was my first pick
Mike Pouncey in the 1st
Marcus Cannon in the 4th
Adrian Clayborn in the 3rd
Cory Liguet in the 4th
LB Greg Jones in the 3rd and for some reason he is already the man
DeAndre McDaniel and here is what is funny.He didn't even declare and was a 1st rounder for me.

Fairley would be in my next draft,but he didn't declare.But hope he is still in it.

[Bengal Dude]

I ended up with a really good draft.Traded T,O,and Odom for first rounders from the Bills,and Rams.So I had 2 very high picks.Then I just kept trading out and picking up extra 3rds.Here is who I drafted.

Andrew Luck.Won the freking Heisman and went in the 6th
Mark Ingram got him in the 2nd
Owen Marecic had to get him in the 3rd round
A.J Green was my first pick
Mike Pouncey in the 1st
Marcus Cannon in the 4th
Adrian Clayborn in the 3rd
Cory Liguet in the 4th
LB Greg Jones in the 3rd and for some reason he is already the man
DeAndre McDaniel and here is what is funny.He didn't even declare and was a 1st rounder for me.

Fairley would be in my next draft,but he didn't declare.But hope he is still in it.

That is one heck of a draft.


Luck went in the 5th round of my draft and came in at an 89.

[cinc4ever1]

That is one heck of a draft.


Luck went in the 5th round of my draft and came in at an 89.


That is strange.But I have something similar in Greg Jones. His speed and strenght are in the 80s.And he came to me 86 overall,and the best out of my draft.I don't understand that.But I guess I got a steal.Anyways he is now my starting MLB,with Rey still on SLB.

Luck for me is in the 60s.That is why I wish they would bring back training camp so I could work with him.

[Bengal Dude]

That is strange.But I have something similar in Greg Jones. His speed and strenght are in the 80s.And he came to me 86 overall,and the best out of my draft.I don't understand that.But I guess I got a steal.Anyways he is now my starting MLB,with Rey still on SLB.

Luck for me is in the 60s.That is why I wish they would bring back training camp so I could work with him.

Agreed. I am tired of preseason games being the only way to improve on players. Even then it's a minimal improvement.

[cinc4ever1]

Agreed. I am tired of preseason games being the only way to improve on players. Even then it's a minimal improvement.

Sometimes I can have a heck of a preseason with certain players,and only see the rating point go up by 1.

Is it just me or do you have players who don't even declare also that end up becoming 1st rounders?

I was kind of mad when I seen that no FS or SS I knew declared.But then the ones that were good were all 1st rounders.Deunta Williams,McDaniels,Mark Barron.Sasha,and some others.I almost took back to back S in the first round.