NFL Live says M.Jones opens door for TO

[Wesley]

John Clayton said this deal with M. Jones opens up the door more for TO. He continued by saying that we've needed speed down the field and we filled that role with Jones. This gives more of a reason for TO to come in being that TO will replace Coles. He ended up saying we've had good success with guys with "issues" over the last several years. I think he has a pretty good point and I am starting to see that our WR's could realistically be Ocho, TO, Jones, Caldwell, Cosby, & draft pick. Holy crap, if this doesn't motivate Palmer than nothing will. Who Dey

[Treymsj91]

It is the truth

[NDfanatic]

I don't have a problem with Owens coming. I think he's had an attitude check in Buffalo. Not too much came out of him this year (or perhaps I just wasn't paying attention to the Bills).

[nkets]

I think if we sign TO it will definitely show me that they want to win it all this year.

[Benton]

We have had luck with guys with issues from other teams. They seem to work out here as long as the issues don't happen here.

I'd be surprised if they go for TO now though. Unless they're already planning on cutting Coles.

[berserkerone88]

I will take TO if he signs a written agreement that if he becomes a locker room issue he forfeits bonus money. When a guy is money hungry, hit em where it hurts, the check book.
You put his money on par with his behavior and he will be a model citizen

[Millz]

Yeah, I just saw that too. If we do bring in T.O., and if Matt Jones doesn't snort this opportunity away, our receiving threat will get a big boost. Coles will be gone if T.O. comes, Cosby hopefully will be the slot, and Jones and Caldwell will fight it out for 4th spot. I still prefer Marshall any-day over anyone out there, but I doubt we will shell out the money for him, if we even can that is.

[justanothername]

I think if they pick up T.O. they should use him at tight end with Foschi(sp?)

[Millz]

We have had luck with guys with issues from other teams. They seem to work out here as long as the issues don't happen here.

I'd be surprised if they go for TO now though. Unless they're already planning on cutting Coles.

I think Coles would be gone if we bring in T.O., or any receiver that is a one or two caliber like a Boldin or Marshall. I would like to see Matt Jones be able to replace Coles, but that is a definite wait and see on him, since he hasn't played in over a year, and it isn't worth it to me to cut Coles for Jones yet.

[Jay Dolla]

Yeah, I just saw that too. If we do bring in T.O., and if Matt Jones doesn't snort this opportunity away, our receiving threat will get a big boost. Coles will be gone if T.O. comes, Cosby hopefully will be the slot, and Jones and Caldwell will fight it out for 4th spot. I still prefer Marshall any-day over anyone out there, but I doubt we will shell out the money for him, if we even can that is.

Its not the money thats a huge problem... TO isn't going to be cheap... its the fact that Marshall might be a 2 Draft pick thing... I'm thinking someone is going to be willing to part with 2 picks, so we will have to do the same... as much as I like Marshall I'm less inclined if we got to give up 2 picks...

[Wesley]

I think if they pick up T.O. they should use him at tight end with Foschi(sp?)

Use TO as a TE?

[Millz]

I think if they pick up T.O. they should use him at tight end with Foschi(sp?)

:what:

[darthdeal]

I think if they pick up T.O. they should use him at tight end with Foschi(sp?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEhDZN0RFjw

[Bengal Dude]

Use TO as a TE?

Never, that's why we have Brian Leonard. If we need to add depth, I say go get Chris Harrington from Arizona and Mario Urrutia from Tampa.

[Wesley]

Never, that's why we have Brian Leonard. If we need to add depth, I say go get Chris Harrington from Arizona and Mario Urrutia from Tampa.

did you see I was responding to someone else with that? Wasn't my idea. I was trying to clarify that cause it's a terrible idea to be honest.

[Bengal Dude]

did you see I was responding to someone else with that? Wasn't my idea. I was trying to clarify that cause it's a terrible idea to be honest.

I know, I was going along with you.

[djam]

I dont think TO would cost us a lot of money. I mean the dude is making millions outside of footbal at this point. He's 36 and wants a ring. We have a solid core of a team, and the building blocks in place. We have a shot at a SB run if a few pieces come together. The impact of TO and Jones could be just what the doctor ordered to fix our passing game, and it would open up our draft. We have Caldwell, Cosby and we might even draft another WR or a TE. But we could continue to build this defense through the draft if we address some WR needs in FA. TO and Jones combined would be a huge upgrade over last year and we would still have money to sign some of our own FA's like Tank, Roy, Brandon and Cook.

[34inXXIII]

I will take TO if he signs a written agreement that if he becomes a locker room issue he forfeits bonus money. When a guy is money hungry, hit em where it hurts, the check book.
You put his money on par with his behavior and he will be a model citizen
The Pickens Clause.

[Cincinnati09]

Now grab TO an gilyard cut Coles n draft a te an this might rival 05 talent wise.
.neonr agree

[spinksjinx]

Matt Jones is not a deep field threat, his 40 times is a crap comparison and I hate bringing up 40 times. Regardless, Jones was viewed as a big deep threat WR. In reality, what you got was a big slot guy.

I'm happy with the signing, if anything this closes the door on TO. Anyways we need a guy who can run a straight line down the field at blazing speed and understand an audible or two.

Where is that guy?

[baronzeus]

If we can get TO for the same price we were gonna pay Coles (4.5M i think), they might as well both start packing their bags.

[MakeShift]

Some may think it's a bold statement but in my opinion this is what will happen. Matt Jones will be the Slot Receiver - he will not line up opposite of Chad..... Chad has also Openly said he would take a paycut ( Mike Brown you listening?) to help bring T.O here. T.O would Line up as #2 not #1.. That is 85

*on a side note* Think about this.... L. Coles cost Bengals 7.5 million last year ... T. Owens cost the Bills 6.5 million. Owens not only had a worse QB throwing to him (Fitz) but Produced better than Chad did with Fitz in '08

With that said.... T.O would be Cheaper than L. Coles at this point.. I dont' know what Coles gets this year, but he already took 7.5 mill....

Think about it... I don't want Jones or Coles lining up opposite of Chad... I don't want Caldwell doing it either...... I can honestly seeing this T.O signing happening and then the Bills filing "Tampering" charges.....

(never once did I say my opinion about signing T.O or if I wanted T.O for that matter, I'm just saying what I think will happen)

my opinion... stay reserved until it actually happens, but if T.O can catch 65 balls, 800 yds and 8 TD's along with Chad I'm happy... shoot, I'd be happy with anybody doing that opposite of Chad.

[djam]

Matt Jones is not a deep field threat, his 40 times is a crap comparison and I hate bringing up 40 times. Regardless, Jones was viewed as a big deep threat WR. In reality, what you got was a big slot guy.

I'm happy with the signing, if anything this closes the door on TO. Anyways we need a guy who can run a straight line down the field at blazing speed and understand an audible or two.

Where is that guy?

Definitely not in FA--other than Marshall, but we all know we cant afford him. We'll have to draft our speed guy, but then WR's take a couple years to develop, so having a Jones and TO on 1 year contracts is not such a bad thing.

[spinksjinx]

Definitely not in FA--other than Marshall, but we all know we cant afford him. We'll have to draft our speed guy, but then WR's take a couple years to develop, so having a Jones and TO on 1 year contracts is not such a bad thing.

Marshall isn't really a deep threat ace either. He plays more like Chad. He can get down field on a post. But you won't see him run any flood routes in a straight line.

Nobody in FA matches that, I'd hate to bring up Gilyard but the dude plays similar to Henry and thats the type of guy we need.

But Dez Bryant is where it's at.

[scottdean24]

Marshall isn't really a deep threat ace either. He plays more like Chad. He can get down field on a post. But you won't see him run any flood routes in a straight line.

Nobody in FA matches that, I'd hate to bring up Gilyard but the dude plays similar to Henry and thats the type of guy we need.

But Dez Bryant is where it's at.

gilyard isn't really a speed guy though. and aurellius ben (sp) is where its at.

[Bech72]

At this point I would much rather have T.O. then Coles. I hate to say it (because LC is a helluva nice guy) but T.O. would have a much bigger impact and we'd have effectively fixed the WR spot with Jones as the deep threat and T.O. as arguably one of the best #2 receivers in football, even at 36. We'd still need to look toward the future and find a guy in the draft; unless Simpson proves he is ready, doubtful, but you never know.

[baronzeus]

I think if they pick up T.O. they should use him at tight end with Foschi(sp?)

agreed. he's definitely got the size and blocking capabilities, he'll be a perfect fit. my only worry is that he's a bit like daniel coats in that he drops a lot of passes.

[Ian Demagi]

Wesley said " I am starting to see that our WR's could realistically be Ocho, TO, Jones, Caldwell, COSBY, & draft pick. "

Wesley one of these does not fit-can you guess which one it is?


seriously, Cosby is PR and 5th WR-NOTHING MORE!

Ian

[Bech72]

Wesley said " I am starting to see that our WR's could realistically be Ocho, TO, Jones, Caldwell, COSBY, & draft pick. "

Wesley one of these does not fit-can you guess which one it is?


seriously, Cosby is PR and 5th WR-NOTHING MORE!

Ian

Cosby kinda still counts as a WR.....

[WhoDeyLeisure]

Am I the only one that hasn't given up on Simpson? He really hasn't been giving a fair amount of playtime in order to say he's a dud. You never know.

[BengalRugby]

If the Bengals netted TO as well, and are happy with Cosby returning kicks, why draft a WR at all?

Ocho, Uno, Jones, Caldwell..........Cosby.

[nepa]

I dont think TO would cost us a lot of money. I mean the dude is making millions outside of footbal at this point. He's 36 and wants a ring.

That last sentence, about TO wanting to come here because he wants a ring, has to sound funny anywhere else but on a Bengals board.

[bengalbadger]

I will take TO if he signs a written agreement that if he becomes a locker room issue he forfeits bonus money. When a guy is money hungry, hit em where it hurts, the check book.
You put his money on par with his behavior and he will be a model citizen

Didn't we try this with Pickens when he started mouthing off? Mike Brown tried to institute a Pickens Rule linking signing bonus to making defamatory statements against the club, didn't he? Whatever became of that?

[bengalbadger]

If the Bengals netted TO as well, and are happy with Cosby returning kicks, why draft a WR at all?

Ocho, Uno, Jones, Caldwell..........Cosby.

Because Simpson stinks and Chad is old and Caldwell hasn't proven himself and neither have the TEs and Jones is one more arrest away from a yearlong suspension and the way you win in this league is with 5-receiver sets. Besides, you never know who'll surface in camp. Sometimes you put them all out there and some guy drafted late shines. Look at TJ. He was a 7th round pick.

[scottdean24]

Because Simpson stinks and Chad is old and Caldwell hasn't proven himself and neither have the TEs and Jones is one more arrest away from a yearlong suspension and the way you win in this league is with 5-receiver sets. Besides, you never know who'll surface in camp. Sometimes you put them all out there and some guy drafted late shines. Look at TJ. He was a 7th round pick.

don't forget about all the fumbles and injuries that plagued tj his first years. we stuck w/ him and it worked out well for us.

[berserkerone88]

Didn't we try this with Pickens when he started mouthing off? Mike Brown tried to institute a Pickens Rule linking signing bonus to making defamatory statements against the club, didn't he? Whatever became of that?

That was kinda my point. But yeah, if he is willing to keep his mouth shut, he can come in and play here if not, look to the draft for a WR.

[SunsetBengal]

Opens door for TO? Doubtfully. Even Schlereth said that would be an "unsmart" move, and everyone knows that Olinemen have the most levelheaded view points.

[McC]

That last sentence, about TO wanting to come here because he wants a ring, has to sound funny anywhere else but on a Bengals board.

Why? Are you saying we're a joke? Do you work for ESPN?

[bengalbadger]

Am I the only one that hasn't given up on Simpson? He really hasn't been giving a fair amount of playtime in order to say he's a dud. You never know.

Believe me, one catch in two years is bad enough, but he was only ACTIVE for one game this year. The worst sign was when they skipped over him to grab Maurice Purify off the practice squad late in the year. Who cares where he was drafted. He simply is not good enough to make this team. Can't pick up the routes mentally, can't make the cuts on the field. Sometimes the small-school guys are just too overwhelmed. Cut him loose.

[berserkerone88]

Opens door for TO? Doubtfully. Even Schlereth said that would be an "unsmart" move, and everyone knows that Olinemen have the most levelheaded view points.

This is true. They also average the highest on the Wonderlic almost every year. Shows they usually have the best reasoning, logic and general overall better people :thumbsup:
Not too mention I was an OLineman back in the day so my opinion might be biased

[bengalbadger]

That was kinda my point. But yeah, if he is willing to keep his mouth shut, he can come in and play here if not, look to the draft for a WR.

TO put up decent numbers on a 6-10 team with bad QBs (we know what Fitzpatrick can do) for a small market team with bad weather and a family owner. Sound familiar? Through all this, he didn't say a word. This is so tempting, but it would be a circus when either he or Chad feels slighted during a game. If he catches 2 and Chad catches 10, he would sulk. If Chad catches 2 and TO catches 8, Chad would sulk. If we demolish Cleveland on the ground and Benson goes for 156 yards, but both combine for 8 catches, they both sulk. This is a very dangerous time bomb. Does it go off in our hand or the hand of the other 31 NFL teams?

[bengalbadger]

At this point I would much rather have T.O. then Coles. I hate to say it (because LC is a helluva nice guy) but T.O. would have a much bigger impact and we'd have effectively fixed the WR spot with Jones as the deep threat and T.O. as arguably one of the best #2 receivers in football, even at 36. We'd still need to look toward the future and find a guy in the draft; unless Simpson proves he is ready, doubtful, but you never know.

We don't need nice guys, we need Super Bowls. A WR corp next year of Chad, TO, Jones, Caldwell, Cosby, Draft Pick (3rd Round), plus TEs Kelly, Gresham & Coffman is a suitable one-year jump. Dump Coles. Dump Simpson.

[Magikod]

I can't wait til training camp let alone the draft!

[bengalbadger]

Marshall isn't really a deep threat ace either. He plays more like Chad. He can get down field on a post. But you won't see him run any flood routes in a straight line.

Nobody in FA matches that, I'd hate to bring up Gilyard but the dude plays similar to Henry and thats the type of guy we need.

But Dez Bryant is where it's at.

Forget Dez Bryant. He will be gone.

[bengalbadger]

I can't wait til training camp let alone the draft!

Finally, somebody with a logo that honors Anthony Munoz. Thanks for showing proper respect.

[Bengal Dude]

Finally, somebody with a logo that honors Anthony Munoz. Thanks for showing proper respect.

What?

Anyone with 15,000-24,999 posts is sporting a Munoz image.

[bengalbadger]

Some may think it's a bold statement but in my opinion this is what will happen. Matt Jones will be the Slot Receiver - he will not line up opposite of Chad..... Chad has also Openly said he would take a paycut ( Mike Brown you listening?) to help bring T.O here. T.O would Line up as #2 not #1.. That is 85

*on a side note* Think about this.... L. Coles cost Bengals 7.5 million last year ... T. Owens cost the Bills 6.5 million. Owens not only had a worse QB throwing to him (Fitz) but Produced better than Chad did with Fitz in '08

With that said.... T.O would be Cheaper than L. Coles at this point.. I dont' know what Coles gets this year, but he already took 7.5 mill....

Think about it... I don't want Jones or Coles lining up opposite of Chad... I don't want Caldwell doing it either...... I can honestly seeing this T.O signing happening and then the Bills filing "Tampering" charges.....

(never once did I say my opinion about signing T.O or if I wanted T.O for that matter, I'm just saying what I think will happen)

my opinion... stay reserved until it actually happens, but if T.O can catch 65 balls, 800 yds and 8 TD's along with Chad I'm happy... shoot, I'd be happy with anybody doing that opposite of Chad.

This is a fantastic post. Almost my point of view exactly. Coles cost Bengals more than TO cost Bills. TO produced better with Fitz than Chad did, on another bad team, and didn't make a peep. Bad team, small market, bad weather, family owner. Young receivers take time to mature, and with this defense a Top 5 unit now, our window is now. Free agency is the route.

[bengalbadger]

I dont think TO would cost us a lot of money. I mean the dude is making millions outside of footbal at this point. He's 36 and wants a ring. We have a solid core of a team, and the building blocks in place. We have a shot at a SB run if a few pieces come together. The impact of TO and Jones could be just what the doctor ordered to fix our passing game, and it would open up our draft. We have Caldwell, Cosby and we might even draft another WR or a TE. But we could continue to build this defense through the draft if we address some WR needs in FA. TO and Jones combined would be a huge upgrade over last year and we would still have money to sign some of our own FA's like Tank, Roy, Brandon and Cook.

What is this nonsense about MIGHT draft another WR or TE? Are you serious? Regardless of who comes here in free agency, you restock in the draft. We need at least one WR and one TE each in this upcoming draft. Considering how deeply our talent pool was drained last year @ TE, and how lousy Coats is, our first priority is TE, esp considering the dynamic talent of Jermaine Grisham. But, the Bengals have done a lot of taking the best player available in recent years, so watch out. Anyway, in the first three rounds they will also take a WR. They must. Chad is older, Simpson should be cut, Caldwell is still in the balance, Matt Jones is one gram of coke away from being out of the league. 'Nuff said.

[bengalbadger]

Its not the money thats a huge problem... TO isn't going to be cheap... its the fact that Marshall might be a 2 Draft pick thing... I'm thinking someone is going to be willing to part with 2 picks, so we will have to do the same... as much as I like Marshall I'm less inclined if we got to give up 2 picks...


Forget Marshall. No way we give up the combination of picks/money plus the potential headaches he would cause. No way he's coming here.

[Clark W Griswold]

Matt Jones is not a deep field threat, his 40 times is a crap comparison and I hate bringing up 40 times. Regardless, Jones was viewed as a big deep threat WR. In reality, what you got was a big slot guy.

I'm happy with the signing, if anything this closes the door on TO. Anyways we need a guy who can run a straight line down the field at blazing speed and understand an audible or two.

Where is that guy?

Found him...


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[BengalzHacker]

Forget Dez Bryant. He will be gone.

I've been thinking trade down (or out) of the first round but I also wouldn't be opposed to trading up to get Bryant IF we could figure out a way to do it. That would be killer...Chad, TO, Jones, Bryant Caldwell, Cosby...WOW!

[Wesley]

I've been thinking trade down (or out) of the first round but I also wouldn't be opposed to trading up to get Bryant IF we could figure out a way to do it. That would be killer...Chad, TO, Jones, Bryant Caldwell, Cosby...WOW!

I've been thinking about that recently too though I am not sure how we would do it though it would probably involve our second round pick. I would love to have Chad, TO, Jones, Bryant, Caldwell, Cosby.

[BengalzHacker]

I've been thinking about that recently too though I am not sure how we would do it. I would love to have Chad, TO, Jones, Bryant, Caldwell, Cosby.

I'd almost think it would have to be having somebody on our team somebody would want, but that we could part ways with without hurting us too much. Plus picks without delving into next years picks as well.

That being said, if we had to give our 1st, 3rd and say next year's 2ns to get him, it might be a good trade. I wouldn't want to give up this years 2nd because I think we could get and need some upper level D talent (thinking at S) and I don't want to totally mess us over in that regard to get Bryant.

[XenoMorph]

But the interesting thing about matt jones is it not only gives us a tall slot and red zone receiver... But he also played QB in College and could possible be another option out of the wild cat

he could direct snap and run/ throw or recieve a pitch from benson (or which ever RB is in) then throw/Run...

now whether or not our offensive coordinator will think about that i cannot say. But if he works out and makes the team then i would at least look into it. (i am not a huge fan of the wildcat but its good to do something different every now and then)

And i am happy the bengals have already started looking to fix the problems... its a good sign for things to come.

[seanman05]

Say we do get T.O. and we now have Chad, T.O. and Jones as our 1, 2, 3.

Are we still a run first team? Do we go back to 2005 and start being pass happy? What happens here?

[BengalRugby]

Now the Bengals just need an o-line that can pass block for more than 3 seconds.


Yet strangely, no one calls any of them out...


Whit is poor is pass protection as a LT. 6 sacks allowed and double digit penalties on a run first team?!?

Cook is below average, but light years ahead of Ghiaciuc so people give him a pass?

Bobbie is either fading into the sunset, or had an off year. Insurance would be wise.

[Klloyd12]

Say we do get T.O. and we now have Chad, T.O. and Jones as our 1, 2, 3.

Are we still a run first team? Do we go back to 2005 and start being pass happy? What happens here?

Really good question...I never thought about that. :hmm:

[battey60]

Now the Bengals just need an o-line that can pass block for more than 3 seconds.


Yet strangely, no one calls any of them out...


Whit is poor is pass protection as a LT. 6 sacks allowed and double digit penalties on a run first team?!?

Cook is below average, but light years ahead of Ghiaciuc so people give him a pass?

Bobbie is either fading into the sunset, or had an off year. Insurance would be wise.


I agree with the Bobbie Statement and I would like to see more talent added to the line. However most of the players you are knocking where in their first full year of playing together.

I am intrigued by Andre, I think he will be pro bowler at RT. Whit needs to slim down and work on his feet more, I think he will be fine at LT with another year.

Signing WRs that can get open with help things as well.

[battey60]

Really good question...I never thought about that. :hmm:

Balance, Balance, balance.

No matter who we sign at WR Benson is still the player that this offense revolves around. He is our best offensive player.

[fulcherfan34]

John Clayton said this deal with M. Jones opens up the door more for TO. He continued by saying that we've needed speed down the field and we filled that role with Jones. This gives more of a reason for TO to come in being that TO will replace Coles. He ended up saying we've had good success with guys with "issues" over the last several years. I think he has a pretty good point and I am starting to see that our WR's could realistically be Ocho, TO, Jones, Caldwell, Cosby, & draft pick. Holy crap, if this doesn't motivate Palmer than nothing will. Who Dey


How is Palmer not motivated? That doesnt even make sense.

[fulcherfan34]

Now the Bengals just need an o-line that can pass block for more than 3 seconds.


Yet strangely, no one calls any of them out...


Whit is poor is pass protection as a LT. 6 sacks allowed and double digit penalties on a run first team?!?

Cook is below average, but light years ahead of Ghiaciuc so people give him a pass?

Bobbie is either fading into the sunset, or had an off year. Insurance would be wise.

He allowed 5 sacks and none to the top pass rushers in the league, except maybe 1 to James Harrison and how many of those sacks were because he got beat vs. How long Palmer held on to the ball? He gave up 3 in the first 4 games but then had a 4 game stretch with no sacks and then a 7 game stretch with no sacks.

I am not sure about Cook. From what i saw, he was pretty damn good especially since he was a practice squad player for like 3 years.

[eakephas]

We've had success with guys with issues?! Who?

[battey60]

We've had success with guys with issues?! Who?

Cedric Benson. or were you asleep last year?

[eakephas]

Cedric Benson. or were you asleep last year?

Some of it, yeah!

But you're right -- I forgot all about Ced and his boat. Guess we did fix someone... Alright, I'm on board. Let's work our magic on th cokehead now.

[battey60]

Some of it, yeah!

But you're right -- I forgot all about Ced and his boat. Guess we did fix someone... Alright, I'm on board. Let's work our magic on th cokehead now.

I trust a troubled FA more than a young troubled kid out of college. that is where we always get burned.

LJ, and Tank were decent contributers as well.

B.Scott and Shirley are the only college kids that have stayed clean. We know how Rey has turned out so far. its still early.

Least a guy that is a Free Agent and has had the opportunity slip away knows how quickly he can fade into nonexistence. I think Jones will seize the day. He never really had a throwing QB before.

Sure there are alot of people that are going to say the same about Carson. Lets stack the odds in his favor and really see what he can do with a full deck of cards before calling Carson a bum.

[Wesley]

How is Palmer not motivated? That doesnt even make sense.

Palmer didn't have a great year and had some accuracy issues. You don't think a couple new WR's will motivate him to be the QB he has been in the past? So yes, it does make sense. He should be even more motivated for next season with some new talent to work with.

[Slappy from New Haven]

The Pickens Clause.

Beat me to it 34.

[Jkrauss]

Because Simpson stinks and Chad is old and Caldwell hasn't proven himself and neither have the TEs and Jones is one more arrest away from a yearlong suspension and the way you win in this league is with 5-receiver sets. Besides, you never know who'll surface in camp. Sometimes you put them all out there and some guy drafted late shines. Look at TJ. He was a 7th round pick.


Yea TJ was a 7th round pick, however he didnt start to really shine until his 4th or 5th year and we don't have 4 or 5 years for a receiver to come around. Caldwell has more up side than TJ had coming out and Caldwell will be in his 3rd year this year. I believe this is the year that Caldwell really starts to step up and start showing what he can do. Simpson *****, i still have no idea why they used a 2nd rounder on him when he was a projected 5th or 6th rounder, makes no sense what so ever. Should of drafted Desean Jackson or hell could have drafted Eddie Royal. Both of them are better than Simpson and if Simpson don't start learning the play book i guarantee he gets cut this training camp, that is the reason he has not seen the field is because he is too slow to learn the offense. No sense in putting someone on the field that does not know the offense. I say now that we signed Jones, we need to go out and sign TO to a one or two year deal, he will be cheaper than Coles, then we can cut Coles and Simpson. Receivers would be Ocho Cinco, TO, Caldwell, Jones and Cosby then i think we need to draft someone in the 3rd or 4th round such as Taylor Price or Carlton Mitchell both bigger guys with blazing speed, Price is 6' 2" and runs a low 4.3 and Mitchell is 6' 5" if i am not mistaken and runs a low 4.4 or high 4.3. Mitchell reminds me a lot of Chris Henry, with his height and speed. Then we use our First on Gresham provided he is there and use the 2nd rounder on Nate Allen provided he is there and use the rest of the picks to fill depth and i think we would be pretty solid. The additions of TO, Matt Jones, Jermaine Gresham and a receiver such as Price or Mitchell on offense would be a solid number of weapons added not to mention would create lots of head aches for opposing D coordinators and i think would really put our passing game among the top ten again where we should be. All i can say is if we can get our offense back to where it was in 05 and pair that with the way our D was last year and i think we will definitely be super bowl bound. If we add TO, Gresham and Price or Mitchell i think that would put us back near where we were in 05 and the addition of a good ball hawking FS would do wonders for our 4th ranked defense. With how good our running game was last year if we can carry that over to next year there is no reason why we should not be able to throw on teams. We need to really beef up the offense, especially with all the high power offenses we will be playing this next year. We need to be able to keep our defense fresh and rested to cut down on the number of injuries and have an offense that can score 30 or 40 points if need be.

[1whodeybrew]

John Clayton said this deal with M. Jones opens up the door more for TO. He continued by saying that we've needed speed down the field and we filled that role with Jones. This gives more of a reason for TO to come in being that TO will replace Coles. He ended up saying we've had good success with guys with "issues" over the last several years. I think he has a pretty good point and I am starting to see that our WR's could realistically be Ocho, TO, Jones, Caldwell, Cosby, & draft pick. Holy crap, if this doesn't motivate Palmer than nothing will. Who Dey

It's all good if they all make it to camp on time with no late surprises. They all have to get on the same page. It takes Carson a long time to warm up to new players.

[Magikod]

This WR core could be scary next year. I'm kinda pulling for TO at this point.

[WhoDeyLeisure]

Believe me, one catch in two years is bad enough, but he was only ACTIVE for one game this year. The worst sign was when they skipped over him to grab Maurice Purify off the practice squad late in the year. Who cares where he was drafted. He simply is not good enough to make this team. Can't pick up the routes mentally, can't make the cuts on the field. Sometimes the small-school guys are just too overwhelmed. Cut him loose.


Eh, fair enough.

[Samhain]

I like the Jones signing. I wouldn't be too upset if we got TO. There's a problem, though. There's only so much room on the roster for wrs. Chad and TO aren't getting any younger or faster. We HAVE to have room for a young kid to get drafted onto this team. A rookie may not provide an immediate boost to the offense like TO. Problem is that if we keep playing games and flying by the seat of our pants with veterans over 30 we will eventually have a huge void at that spot.

I guess if we do sign TO, it will show that ownership is doing everything it can to win right now. Maybe they don't think CP has the time left in his career to wait on a bunch of rookie wrs develop.

[yellowxdiscipline]

This team will go after TO, and they will probably get a good deal for him. He wants out of Buffalo, and wants a decent QB to throw to him. Sorry Coles, it was fun while it lasted..

[Dutch70]

Some may think it's a bold statement but in my opinion this is what will happen. Matt Jones will be the Slot Receiver - he will not line up opposite of Chad..... Chad has also Openly said he would take a paycut ( Mike Brown you listening?) to help bring T.O here. T.O would Line up as #2 not #1.. That is 85

*on a side note* Think about this.... L. Coles cost Bengals 7.5 million last year ... T. Owens cost the Bills 6.5 million. Owens not only had a worse QB throwing to him (Fitz) but Produced better than Chad did with Fitz in '08

With that said.... T.O would be Cheaper than L. Coles at this point.. I dont' know what Coles gets this year, but he already took 7.5 mill....

Think about it... I don't want Jones or Coles lining up opposite of Chad... I don't want Caldwell doing it either...... I can honestly seeing this T.O signing happening and then the Bills filing "Tampering" charges.....

(never once did I say my opinion about signing T.O or if I wanted T.O for that matter, I'm just saying what I think will happen)

my opinion... stay reserved until it actually happens, but if T.O can catch 65 balls, 800 yds and 8 TD's along with Chad I'm happy... shoot, I'd be happy with anybody doing that opposite of Chad.

Then you should be very happy with Matt Jones. That's very similar to
his stats in Jacksonville the year he was suspended for the last 3 games.

[fulcherfan34]

Palmer didn't have a great year and had some accuracy issues. You don't think a couple new WR's will motivate him to be the QB he has been in the past? So yes, it does make sense. He should be even more motivated for next season with some new talent to work with.


Accuracy and having a down year doesnt mean he wasnt motivated to do well. You are saying that if this doesnt motivate him to do well then nothing will, but where did you get the idea that he wasnt motivated? He played hurt, didnt complain about the scaling back of the offense, didnt complain about losing TJ. If he wasnt working hard, then yea i would question the motivation.

[djam]

I trust a troubled FA more than a young troubled kid out of college. that is where we always get burned.

LJ, and Tank were decent contributers as well.

B.Scott and Shirley are the only college kids that have stayed clean. We know how Rey has turned out so far. its still early.

Least a guy that is a Free Agent and has had the opportunity slip away knows how quickly he can fade into nonexistence. I think Jones will seize the day. He never really had a throwing QB before.

Sure there are alot of people that are going to say the same about Carson. Lets stack the odds in his favor and really see what he can do with a full deck of cards before calling Carson a bum.

Agreed. Really if you think about it, we've seen what he can do with a full deck of cards. He showed us in '05 and '06. Since then we havent been the same and neither has he. Our offense has been picked apart since then--especially the OL. We're still fixing the OL but its getting closer. We should see major improvement if we add maybe either another good WR or a legit TE. Major improvement can go a long way.

[phil413]

I don't doubt the potential Matt Jones has, but you want to build a roster that doesn't depend on him being anything more than the #5 receiver, in competition for catches with Cosby and Simpson. I also agree with the comments that he is more of a big frame slot receiver than a #2 that can stretch the field. Carson and Jones need A LOT of reps together as his speed could work against him if that big frame is out of position.

As for Owens, not sure how the Jones signing impacts Terrell's future in Cincy. If you were planning on having Jones compete for a job and possibly then battle Caldwell for the #3, it doesn't have much to do with TO vs Coles. I think what will happen is they will add TO (dropping Coles), and look to add a receiver at some point. I'm not in favor of this line of thinking, but if they were going to go WR by the 2nd-3rd, maybe now its by the 4th-5th, and they're more likely to get a raw burner than rout runner that can play now.

[fredtoast]

I don't doubt the potential Matt Jones has, but you want to build a roster that doesn't depend on him being anything more than the #5 receiver, in competition for catches with Cosby and Simpson..

Jones had 65 catches in only 12 games in '08. That is a pace for a 90 catch season. he would be our #2 if he can play that well without cocaine.

[Trained2Survive]

John Clayton said this deal with M. Jones opens up the door more for TO. He continued by saying that we've needed speed down the field and we filled that role with Jones. This gives more of a reason for TO to come in being that TO will replace Coles. He ended up saying we've had good success with guys with "issues" over the last several years. I think he has a pretty good point and I am starting to see that our WR's could realistically be Ocho, TO, Jones, Caldwell, Cosby, & draft pick. Holy crap, if this doesn't motivate Palmer than nothing will. Who Dey

No to TO, we don't need another ego in the locker room, we just got Ocho to chill out but you bring in TO and they will argue over who should get the ball more. But bringing in Jones would be a smart move, as we could use him as our nickleback over Trent

[Wesley]

Accuracy and having a down year doesnt mean he wasnt motivated to do well. You are saying that if this doesnt motivate him to do well then nothing will, but where did you get the idea that he wasnt motivated? He played hurt, didnt complain about the scaling back of the offense, didnt complain about losing TJ. If he wasnt working hard, then yea i would question the motivation.

You've probably never done something poorly, hurt or not, and then got something new that motivated you to be better even more than before. You should try it out sometime...or just post on the thread and not dissect my verbiage.

[Poncho]

If nothing else... MB might go for TO just to re-work Chad's contract and wrap him up for another 6 years.

Not that I think that's the best way to go... but knowing MB... that might be a factor for him.

[mrcrockj]

I can't imagine the coaches are inking Matt Jones into any more than the #5 WR position.

OchoCinco is still #1

I don't see us letting Caldwell go because he has gotten better and could be a TJ in another season.

I don't see Cosby going anywhere because of the way he's improved our ST's. Also because of his play in the slot the last game, he may be competing with Coles for that spot.

T.O. would be a sign we are ready to win now, I'd like to see it happen. It would allow us to take D with our second pick and improve the whole team.

[fulcherfan34]

You've probably never done something poorly, hurt or not, and then got something new that motivated you to be better even more than before. You should try it out sometime...or just post on the thread and not dissect my verbiage.


i did post to the thread. it was your quote and i wanted better understanding or evidence of how he wasnt motivated. Done something poor, sure but didnt mean i wasnt motivated to do well all along. Dont get offended, just bring the evidence of what you were stating.

[Carson2Chad]

Matt Jones can be a good signing because we know he has the potential. or at least had the potential. He can be a solid deep threat like Slim was.

And if this can help us get T.O., I'm all for it. Carson will have a good amount of weapons and there is no reason why we can't get back to the playoffs.

[bengals4life84]

the idea of having
Ocho
T.O.
Jones
and a draft pick
gives me chills

[phil413]

Jones had 65 catches in only 12 games in '08. That is a pace for a 90 catch season. he would be our #2 if he can play that well without cocaine.

If you read my post, I don't doubt his potential, but the Bengals can't afford to build on "IF". They're trying to win the super bowl and I hope he gets the 2 or 3 job. I'd love to see him play well enough to be a #2 as this would be a spectacular move. Thing is, Mikey should still improve the current wideouts with Matt now in place like I said.

[Chop Block]

No to TO, we don't need another ego in the locker room, we just got Ocho to chill out but you bring in TO and they will argue over who should get the ball more. But bringing in Jones would be a smart move, as we could use him as our nickleback over Trent Make TO a return guy..:thumbsup:

[FletcherSmith]

John Clayton said this deal with M. Jones opens up the door more for TO. He continued by saying that we've needed speed down the field and we filled that role with Jones. This gives more of a reason for TO to come in being that TO will replace Coles. He ended up saying we've had good success with guys with "issues" over the last several years. I think he has a pretty good point and I am starting to see that our WR's could realistically be Ocho, TO, Jones, Caldwell, Cosby, & draft pick. Holy crap, if this doesn't motivate Palmer than nothing will. Who Dey

I think that the people that want to see TO come here are unstable.

[momadance02]

No to TO, we don't need another ego in the locker room, we just got Ocho to chill out but you bring in TO and they will argue over who should get the ball more. But bringing in Jones would be a smart move, as we could use him as our nickleback over Trent

Chad and TO are best friends, I doubt they'd be arguing about who gets the ball more.

[Trained2Survive]

Chad and TO are best friends, I doubt they'd be arguing about who gets the ball more.

just never really liked T.O. i think he is a hot-head big ego type that the Bengals don't need

[Ron Mexico]

I think if they pick up T.O. they should use him at tight end with Foschi(sp?)

Maybe we can also throw him in at QB sometimes....I also heard that he is pretty decent as a Defensive End.

Am I the only one that hasn't given up on Simpson?

Yes.

[Bengals.pro]

Yeah TO needs Matt Jones to sign to attract him to the Bengals. I hope TO stays in Buffalo

[LEATHER FACE]

Getting T.O. after getting Matt Jones, would be like getting Michael Johnson and Rey Rey in the same draft, ... an unthinkable dream transforming into a reality.

... It's what life's all about baby. I'm all for it. Why not?

T.O. and Matt Jones would be GREAT insurance policies for each other.

[Mariokart7]

I'm for signing OWENS.......the dude WANTS to come here to play, that itself is a recipe for sucess, not to mention him and Ocho are friends.............gotta believe if we sign TO, that gives us the chance to draft TE, O-line, or safety in the 1st........then draft a WR in 2 or 3..........signing TO would open the door up for us a lot rather than having our hands tied up in the 1st round and HAVING to draft a WR in round 1.......I don't like WR in 1.........

[bodeezy]

I'm for signing OWENS.......the dude WANTS to come here to play, that itself is a recipe for sucess, not to mention him and Ocho are friends.............gotta believe if we sign TO, that gives us the chance to draft TE, O-line, or safety in the 1st........then draft a WR in 2 or 3..........signing TO would open the door up for us a lot rather than having our hands tied up in the 1st round and HAVING to draft a WR in round 1.......I don't like WR in 1.........

motivation is one of the biggest factor among athletes especially ones who are great.

Having someone like a T.O in the locker room would really motivate the WR corps.

[w8ing 4 '08]

I actually think last season for us was comparable to the Vikings 2 seasons ago or the steelers in '07. Finishing 10-6 with clear weaknesses and ending up one and done in the playoffs. In order for us to make a push to end up like those teams the following season (12-4, one wins SB, one very easily could of [Farve INT]), we must make moves like signing big names and talents to a roster on the brisk of greatness.

The Vikings signed Favre and the difference was apparent. If we make moves that bolster our receiving core and pass protection, like signing TO and drafting a talented blocking/receiving tight end, than I believe the playoffs and maybe a deep run will be in reach. This team is not good enough to sit back and play with what they have. You could clearly see teams start to figure us out at the end of the year and our shine wore off, hence the anemic passing game. If we make no significant moves this offseason, I think a 6-10/8-8 season is enevitable.

[Ron Mexico]

I actually think last season for us was comparable to the Vikings 2 seasons ago or the steelers in '07. Finishing 10-6 with clear weaknesses and ending up one and done in the playoffs. In order for us to make a push to end up like those teams the following season (12-4, one wins SB, one very easily could of [Farve INT]), we must make moves like signing big names and talents to a roster on the brisk of greatness.

The Vikings signed Favre and the difference was apparent. If we make moves that bolster our receiving core and pass protection, like signing TO and drafting a talented blocking/receiving tight end, than I believe the playoffs and maybe a deep run will be in reach. This team is not good enough to sit back and play with what they have. You could clearly see teams start to figure us out at the end of the year and our shine wore off, hence the anemic passing game. If we make no significant moves this offseason, I think a 6-10/8-8 season is enevitable.

I couldn't agree more with this post....If the Bengals do the right things for the next few months, we could be looking toward one of the best Bengals seasons ever. We STILL NEED to go after a big play reciever in some way. Free agency, a trade, or the draft will all do, cause Matt Jones wont be enough to fix the Passing game. If we can get decent play from the O-Line and hopefully upgrade it just a little bit, and Palmer can have the weapons that he needs, then our Offense could be really explosive again. But if we dont make enough moves to step it up even more this season, then I dont think we can repeat as division champs.

So far it looks like they are wanting to make moves, but will they be able to make enough? I really wont be happy with just a playoff berth this year.

[Wesley]

I couldn't agree more with this post....If the Bengals do the right things for the next few months, we could be looking toward one of the best Bengals seasons ever. We STILL NEED to go after a big play reciever in some way. Free agency, a trade, or the draft will all do, cause Matt Jones wont be enough to fix the Passing game. If we can get decent play from the O-Line and hopefully upgrade it just a little bit, and Palmer can have the weapons that he needs, then our Offense could be really explosive again. But if we dont make enough moves to step it up even more this season, then I dont think we can repeat as division champs.

So far it looks like they are wanting to make moves, but will they be able to make enough? I really wont be happy with just a playoff berth this year.

What I am thinking is picking up an OT so that palmer has time to in the pocket. Without a B.A. offensive tackle, it could be another long year because Palmer can't find protection. We make all the moves we've talked about with TO, then draft an OT in the 1st, Guillard (sp) in the second, and then start taking care of our S, another o line player, and then draft defense. With all of the comp picks, we should be able to really put together a great draft and be VERY powerful next season.

[Bigcitytourney]

God- TO,JONES,CHAD,PALMER,BENSON????AND OUR DEFENSE!!! can you say wow

[viper684]

God- TO,JONES,CHAD,PALMER,BENSON????AND OUR DEFENSE!!! can you say wow

WR's-Ocho, T.O, Coles, Jones, and Caldwell
I can live with that:thumbsup:

[stolenrays]

Yes, sign T.O. or somebody who can get open.

[Poncho]

somebody who can get open.

Out of the mouths of babes... comes this nugget of wisdom. EXACTLY!

[Brunz]

God- TO,JONES,CHAD,PALMER,BENSON????AND OUR DEFENSE!!! can you say wow

You can't really put Jones up there in the "wow" category..... what has he proved? That he's got the 8 ball for every after party? lol really?

[fredtoast]

You can't really put Jones up there in the "wow" category..... what has he proved?

He cauaght 65 passes in just 12 games in '08. That is a pace for a 90 catch season. That may not seem amazing until you look at the rest of our receiving corps.