I Disagree With Todays Home Page Story

[kevin]

Trading our 2nd round pick to move from 21st up to 19th ?????

That would indeed be stupid considering we got Rey in round 2 last year.

After you get past the top 5 or 10 guys in the draft, it's a crap shoot. Even the top guys end up complete busts. 19th is no different than 21st, why then trade a 2nd round pick. We give up a round 2 and our round 1 and we better move into the top 10, not 2 spaces up to 19.

So I disagree with todays Bengals Home Page story because it would just be stupid to give up round 2 just to move from 21st to 19th. That would be dumb. ....In rounds 1 AND 2 we will fill two big needs, and thats the way it must be.

[Gdale Bengal]

Depends on if the Patriots or Ravens are gunning for the same player we're after, which could be Gresham.

Houston's in a really good position right now, because they really have no need for a tight end, but teams behind them are probably fighting to get ahead of each other, so they may get good deals from them and may still be able to get there guy in that spot, it's a win-win for them.

Bengals could jump them to 19 and get Gresham before Houston gets to the podium. That seems like a decent strategy.

[WestCoast Bengal]

You are right it really doesn't make much sense. The only scenario where that would even be a possibility is if we have already targeted a player we must have and know that Texans are going to take that same player with #20.

Any other scenario we still take the best S, WR, DT, or TE (Gresham only) on the board and keep the 2nd round pick.

But then why would it say the Falcons are dangling the #19 pick to us, then they select Gresham.

Just not much logic here.

[JoePong]

What part of the story do you disagree with???

Why wouldn't the falcons try to "dangle" pick #19 to try to pick up am extra 2nd round pick?

Nobody ever suggested the bengals do it, or even suggested that the bengals would ever make that move. All the story says is that the falcons may try to do that.

[kevin]

I wouldn't do it. You need a couple of players you want at 21, and some players you would love to have in round 2. Gresham is NOT worth a round 1 and a round 2, no way. We give up our round 1 and round 2 and we better be moving into the top 10 picks in the draft, not 19th. ...We are already at 21, so 19 is not worth our round 2 and then having no pick until round 3. ...We need a round 2, we got Rey in round 2......We need too many positions to give up round 2. I wish we had more picks, not fewer.

We don't even know if we are drafting Gresham. It might be Mays, it might be Bryant, it might be Iupati, it might be a DE or a DT......There is going to be a good player for us on the board at 21.....but there is also going to be a good player on the board in round 2, unless we give it away to only move from 21 to 19.

If the Bengals do this, they don't understand the draft. 49ers use to by trading for more picks, not trading for less picks.

The good news is, the teams are playing Poker now, and it's probably a bluff. Not happening.

[Gustov]

Trading our 2nd round pick to move from 21st up to 19th ?????

That would indeed be stupid considering we got Rey in round 2 last year.

After you get past the top 5 or 10 guys in the draft, it's a crap shoot. Even the top guys end up complete busts. 19th is no different than 21st, why then trade a 2nd round pick. We give up a round 2 and our round 1 and we better move into the top 10, not 2 spaces up to 19.

So I disagree with todays Bengals Home Page story because it would just be stupid to give up round 2 just to move from 21st to 19th. That would be dumb. ....In rounds 1 AND 2 we will fill two big needs, and thats the way it must be.

hobson doesn't say he thinks they should do it, he's just throwing out the possibility that atlanta could try to make it happen.

[Bengals in Toronto]

we would be stupid to draft a TE in the first

[Orange and Black Attack]

we would be stupid to draft a TE in the first

This considering we dont use a TE in the pass game much.


(Now someone becomes a know it all asks how many times we threw to our TE this past season)

[mrcrockj]

There's no way a TE is worth a 1st and 2nd round pick. If it did happen, I'd cry.

[berserkerone88]

A 2nd rounder is far too much to give up for a 2 spot jump.

Pick 19 - 875
Pick 21 - 800

Pick 54 - 360

Theoretically that should get us to 13. (1,150)

[eoxyod]

I would be POd if we traded a 2nd to get Greshem, but if we traded our first and 3rd to trade up to the early teens (Which would make sense), we should get Ealr Thomas. I'd like to trade down more than trade up though

[Bengalrocker]

I would be POd if we traded a 2nd to get Greshem, but if we traded our first and 3rd to trade up to the early teens (Which would make sense), we should get Ealr Thomas. I'd like to trade down more than trade up though

I agree, if we trade up, it better be for Earl Thomas, nobody else.

[berserkerone88]

I would be POd if we traded a 2nd to get Greshem, but if we traded our first and 3rd to trade up to the early teens (Which would make sense), we should get Ealr Thomas. I'd like to trade down more than trade up though

1st and 3rd roughly gets you to 15.
Not the early teens but close enough to maybe get Earl.

[kevin]

A 2nd rounder is far too much to give up for a 2 spot jump.

Pick 19 - 875
Pick 21 - 800

Pick 54 - 360

Theoretically that should get us to 13. (1,150)
13 would be better, but he would have to be somebody thats going to come in and start and dominate in game 1. Frankly, I don't see too many players like that in this years draft.....Also remember Mike Brown has a hard time getting top picks signed and in camp on time ( Rivers, Smith ).

I agree with you though, for a 1 and 2 we should move up around the top 10, no way just 2 spots to 19

The good thing about pick 21 is we should be able to get him into camp on time, unless Mike B is just way out there.

Would rather have pick 21 than pick 1, because as we know, that means you have the worst team in the NFL. Sorry Rams fans, take it from a long suffering Bengal Fan, one player isn't going to change things much.

[berserkerone88]

13 would be better, but he would have to be somebody thats going to come in and start and dominate in game 1. Frankly, I don't see too many players like that in this years draft.....Also remember Mike Brown has a hard time getting top picks signed and in camp on time ( Rivers, Smith ).

I agree with you though, for a 1 and 2 we should move up around the top 10, no way just 2 spots to 19

The good thing about pick 21 is we should be able to get him into camp on time, unless Mike B is just way out there.

We will do what we always do. Wait it out. Get the best available contract out of that player. Which I am ok with rather than signing fast and possibly getting screwed out of money that could be used in following years. With a small market team that is a big factor.

If we trade up to 13, we might as well chip in the 3rd as well and send the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and Anthony Collins to KC for #5 and snag Eric Berry :ninja:

[eoxyod]

1st and 3rd roughly gets you to 15.
Not the early teens but close enough to maybe get Earl.

Ok...same thing. Mid teens should get Earl Thomas

However, there's about a 0 chance we trade up because we're the Bengals

[Davisj471]

How insane would it be if ol mikey traded our first 3 picks to get Berry...

[kevin]

We will do what we always do. Wait it out. Get the best available contract out of that player. Which I am ok with rather than signing fast and possibly getting screwed out of money that could be used in following years. With a small market team that is a big factor.

If we trade up to 13, we might as well chip in the 3rd as well and send the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and Anthony Collins to KC for #5 and snag Eric Berry :ninja: Interesting, but the other NFL teams usually get their pick on time into camp. The Bengals are the only team I see that consistently fails to get the # 1 pick into camp on time and his first year is then pretty much more of a waste of money do to lack of coaching. .....Certainly they should sign pick 21, shouldn't they, I hope ???

[berserkerone88]

Interesting, but the other NFL teams usually get their pick on time into camp. The Bengals are the only team I see that consistently fails to get the # 1 pick into camp on time and his first year is then pretty much more of a waste of money do to lack of coaching. .....Certainly they should sign pick 21, shouldn't they, I hope ???

Not before #20 and #22

[BlackSunshyne]

Would be a awful move giving that up to move up 2 slots for Gresham. Stay put and take the BPA @ 21.

[Who_dey_hooligan]

there's so much talent allover the board that dealing a 2nd rounder is just ridiculous. The field is pretty deep all the way into the 4th round. Considering as how we havent moved nearly at all in FA we need all the early draft picks we can get. Early picks are far to valuable for us. I just hope this year we actually sign our first rounder before the season starts.:nervous:

[Buckeyehitman]

If someone wants Gresham that bad, they can have him as far as I'm concerned. I do not want to give up a 1st and 2nd rounder for a TE that I'm not even convinced is going to be what we need him to be...particularly when we could've had a good one for a 5th round pick.

Now if somehow we could get Eric Berry for a 1st and 2nd, then you MIGHT have me interested.

[hacker]

Thomas is the guy that most mocks have going just before we pick so I gotta believe that if we made a move like that, it would be for him.

[jaydaman]

use both our 1st and 2nd round picks on one offensive player in what is said to be the deepest defensive draft in memory? :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

[goalpost]

I say we trade our whole draft for the 1st pick in the draft and draft Gresham. Sarc..

[clevelandbengalsfan]

why would you believe anything that is said today?

[p_dub17]

Any smart man knows that 2nd round draft picks are GOLD!!! The second round produces just as many starters and pro bowlers as the first and you pay considerably less for them. I'd rather trade down and pick up another 2nd.

[Hammerstripes]

Ok...same thing. Mid teens should get Earl Thomas

However, there's about a 0 chance we trade up because we're the Bengals

No, there's a 0% chance we do it because Earl Thomas isn't worth it.

[Bengals in Toronto]

No, there's a 0% chance we do it because Earl Thomas isn't worth it.

Thomas isnt worth it


I think your very wrong on that statement

[p_dub17]

Earl Thomas is way worth it, he's a ball hawk (8 INT last year), he cause fumbles, he's REALLY smart, and he's durable. Buuutt, it'll never happen.

[downtown273]

you should know we're not going to do that

[Bengals in Toronto]

Trade for berry

[Hammerstripes]

Earl Thomas is way worth it, he's a ball hawk (8 INT last year), he cause fumbles, he's REALLY smart, and he's durable. Buuutt, it'll never happen.

And he basically plays CB in Texas' defense. I just don't think he will be very good as an NFL safety.

I do think he will be a pretty good CB.

Cleveland is going to take him at #7.

[p_dub17]

If we trade up for anybody we might as well go big and trade up to #2 and take Suh.

Good players come out every year. You can't get attatched to a player and trade up to get him. You draft for need, hopefully proactive instead of reactive.

[kacymcbryant18]

This considering we dont use a TE in the pass game much.


(Now someone becomes a know it all asks how many times we threw to our TE this past season)

You could say the same thing about a S seeing as the Bengals don't usually place much value on it and have only drafted one in the first round in franchise history.

[McC]

Earl Thomas is way worth it, he's a ball hawk (8 INT last year), he cause fumbles, he's REALLY smart, and he's durable. Buuutt, it'll never happen.

Have you seen how small he looks? I just can't get past that.

[Bengals in Toronto]

Have you seen how small he looks? I just can't get past that.

ya about the same size as Ed Reed and he is pretty good

[Hammerstripes]

He may have the same height and weight, but something isn't right. He looked TINY against Alabama at the BCS Title Game. He just looks frail and skinny.

[berserkerone88]

He may have the same height and weight, but something isn't right. He looked TINY against Alabama at the BCS Title Game. He just looks frail and skinny.

Frail doesnt get you 21 reps of 225 at only 208.

[Bengals in Toronto]

He may have the same height and weight, but something isn't right. He looked TINY against Alabama at the BCS Title Game. He just looks frail and skinny.

he still need to put on his NFL weight he will be a great player

[Hammerstripes]

Frail doesnt get you 21 reps of 225 at only 208.

Too bad bench pressing has nothing to do with playing safety.

That may be why he looks so small - all of his muscle is in his chest.

I don't even know why he comes up on this board so much. He will be long gone before #15. Hopefully he goes to Cleveland. I can't wait to see him get run over vs. the running backs in the North.

[Bengals in Toronto]

Too bad bench pressing has nothing to do with playing safety.

That may be why he looks so small - all of his muscle is in his chest.

I don't even know why he comes up on this board so much. He will be long gone before #15. Hopefully he goes to Cleveland. I can't wait to see him get run over vs. the running backs in the North.

its cool you dont like Thomas. He would be the best player for us for what we have in team needs

[Hammerstripes]

I honestly don't think he would be a good fit in Cincy.

I've watched nearly every Texas game for the last 2 years. I don't think they play an NFL system for their safeties. Which is why a lot of their safeties end up moving to corner either their senior years or in the NFL.

If we needed a CB, I would draft him, but he will struggle in the NFL as a pure safety.

[busamboy]

Depends on if the Patriots or Ravens are gunning for the same player we're after, which could be Gresham.

Houston's in a really good position right now, because they really have no need for a tight end, but teams behind them are probably fighting to get ahead of each other, so they may get good deals from them and may still be able to get there guy in that spot, it's a win-win for them.

Bengals could jump them to 19 and get Gresham before Houston gets to the podium. That seems like a decent strategy.

There is absolutely no way we draft Gresham, we have not even brought him in for so much as a workout.

[Gdale Bengal]

There is absolutely no way we draft Gresham, we have not even brought him in for so much as a workout.

I'm not going to argue anything over Gresham at this point. His skills are on the board and you can hate him or like him. I can't say that I would be happy for Mays, which is someone you love. I do think that it would be kind of silly to not think that we could draft Gresham given the current TE situation.

[busamboy]

I'm not going to argue anything over Gresham at this point. His skills are on the board and you can hate him or like him. I can't say that I would be happy for Mays, which is someone you love. I do think that it would be kind of silly to not think that we could draft Gresham given the current TE situation.

It has nothing to do with liking him or not liking him. We did not bring him in, therefore we will not draft him. Here is a list of the verifiable names that have visited and no where on here do you see Gresham. I find it highly unlikely that we just draft a guy in the first round without even taking him through vigorous testing. (insert your scouting dept joke here). Now all these obviously are not first rounders, but they should be names that you look for throughout the draft. At least that is one man's opinion.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/21/pre-draft-visits-recap-afc/

Cincinnati Bengals


Danny Batten, defensive end, South Dakota State.
**Zane Beadles (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5833), offensive lineman, Utah.
Arrelious Benn (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5597), wide receiver, Illinois.
**Jarrett Brown (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5792), quarterback, West Virginia.
Dez Bryant (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5558), wide receiver, Oklahoma State.
Duke Calhoun, wide receiver Memphis.
*Craig Carey, linebacker/tight end, Cincinnati.
*John Conner, fullback, Kentucky.
*Alex Daniels, defensive end, Cincinnati.
Marcus Easley (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5843), wide receiver, Connecticut.
*Mardy Gilyard (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5751), wide receiver, Cincinnati.
Joe Haden (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5631), cornerback, Florida.
Mike Iupati (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5763), offensive guard, Idaho.
Micah Johnson, linebacker, Kentucky.
*Brad Jones (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5428), defensive back, Cincinnati.
Mike Kafka, quarterback, Northwestern.
**Dan LeFevour (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5809), quarterback, Central Michigan.
Taylor Mays (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5760), safety, USC.
Sam Maxwell, linebacker, Kentucky.
Carlton Mitchell (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5711), wide receiver, South Florida.
*Edward Morton-Green, wide receiver, Morgan State.
Jason Pierre-Paul (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5681), defensive end, South Florida.
*Tony Pike (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5806), quarterback, Cincinnati.
Dennis Pitta (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5837), tight end, BYU.
*Dominic Randolph, quarterback, Holy Cross.
*Tyler Sheehan, quarterback, Bowling Green.
Mickey Shuler, tight end, Penn State.
*Matt Tennant, center, Boston College.
Earl Thomas (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5703), safety, Texas.
*Dustin Woods, wide receiver, Miami (OH).
Major Wright (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5723), safety, Florida.




And truth be told. I like many of the guys listed here. Not just Mays.

[Gdale Bengal]

The only 1st round talent listed there that I am completely against is Iupati. The other players named there I can deal with. I think I'm in the minority when I say that I really liked what I saw in JPP. Pretty raw, needs to develop some instincts and learn to break down in space, but he'll be totally worth it as another guy to add to the pass rush.

Earl Thomas would be a steal for the Bengals if he makes it past Houston.

Still, with those 4 players mentioned, all can easily be off the board by 21. If the Bengals choose the BPA idea, Gresham shouldn't be that pick, but if they decide Gresham has the potential to be "that guy" as a position of need, it's not a terrible thought.

So yeah, I think having 4 guys who can easily go early, I think I'll keep my eyes open to other possibilities which doesn't include Gresham, but still possible.

[Bob Huggins = God]

Trading our 2nd round pick to move from 21st up to 19th ?????

That would indeed be stupid considering we got Rey in round 2 last year.

After you get past the top 5 or 10 guys in the draft, it's a crap shoot. Even the top guys end up complete busts. 19th is no different than 21st, why then trade a 2nd round pick. We give up a round 2 and our round 1 and we better move into the top 10, not 2 spaces up to 19.

So I disagree with todays Bengals Home Page story because it would just be stupid to give up round 2 just to move from 21st to 19th. That would be dumb. ....In rounds 1 AND 2 we will fill two big needs, and thats the way it must be.

Just to let you know that was coming from a Falcons writer. No one in Cincinnati suggested that. That is obviously something Atlanta would want to do, not the Bengals.

[goalpost]

There is absolutely no way we draft Gresham, we have not even brought him in for so much as a workout.

I still remember Leigh Steinberg sitting with David Klinger when we drafted him and saying
we never talked to him once. In that case, it was a franchise qb..albeit he flopped...and to
be honest this wasn't Marvin's tenure. Just saying, the Bengals have done this though.

[BengalHawk62]

Would be a awful move giving that up to move up 2 slots for Gresham. Stay put and take the BPA @ 21.

This ^^^^^

[LebanonFan]

I think that if teams (including us) are going to try to move up to the mid-to-late teens, it won't be for Gresham. It will be to nab Dez Bryant if he falls that far.

[kpetrin]

If anything the Bengals would trade out of the first round or move down a few spots for extra draft picks. As many of the experts have stated this draft is loaded with first round talent; it is hard to determine who is best after the top 3 or 4 players all the way down to pick 40 or so. If anything the Bengals would be smart to offer up their pick for a later 1st round and a 3rd rounder. Or trade away this year 1st rounder for another team first rounder next year and an early 3rd round pick.

[CinCi Kid 00]

if dez bryant is there at 21, we are taking him, unless by some miracle earl thomas is still on the board. bryant is top 10 talent who has a chance to fall to us. its a toss up if hes gone though. but if hes there we will grab him.

[ericbo]

It says that there's a rumor Atlanta is trying to dangle the 19th pick to the Bengals or Ravens to move up. Stating the Bengals want Gresham and the Ravens want Demaryius Thomas. Appearantly they think they can get a 2nd round pick out of the trade, yeah right!

I know it's a BS rumor, but it doesn't even make sense. Atlanta isn't gonna take Gresham and if they think the Ravens wanna jump us to take Thomas the Bengals would still land Gresham at 21 if that's who they want. And to add to it they think they could get a 2nd round pick to trade down 2 spots,wow!

[RedBengal9]

Let the Ravens move up and take Thomas while we stay put and take either Dez Gresham or E. Thomas. Any way you look at it we win.

You know NE isn't going to trade up, all they do is use their bargain bin late 1st for a bunch of 2nd rounders

[NatiDub]

I would be POd if we traded a 2nd to get Greshem, but if we traded our first and 3rd to trade up to the early teens (Which would make sense), we should get Ealr Thomas. I'd like to trade down more than trade up though

I would be happy with this (1st and 3rd) to trade up to get Thomas. He's the only guy I would be willing to trade up for...

[CincyGus]

With the extra 3rd and 4th round pick we have, I wouldn't trade up in the first round. First, because there will be plenty of talent at 21 that should provide a strong player that can start or be a starter within a year. If anything, I would dangle our 3rd or 4th round pick packaged with our second round pick to move to the first 5 picks of the second round. And the only reason I would consider doing that even is that I doubt more than half the players we draft are going to make the 53 man roster.

Moving up costs you money in salary so if you do, the guy better be MUCH better than the next guy at his position on the board. By MUCH, I mean good enough to give up having the player on your team you have penciled in as your choice for the pick you give up.

Example: Would moving up from our spot last year in the first round been worth giving Rey Rey and Smith? Depends who we would have gotten but I think in th elong term, it's a dangerous game to play to trade solid players at multiple positions for one player you think is going to be a star.

Don't fall in love with anyone. Just take the best fit for your team balanced with the Best player available.