Bandwagon fans??

[Shockwave]

Apparently, Steelers fans are either liars or just completely wrong about how great of fans they are... 21st in the league in fan support and 4th in the division.hahahahttp://www.bizjournals.com/specials/slideshow/13.html?page=21Granted... we are only one spot above them, but these numbers include the tail end of the '90s and we are still higher than them.

[Pro Joey 1427]

Cleveland ranks #1. Apparantly their fans just live in the stadium.

[Steely_J]

I don't understand how they get the numbers. Aparently it's by "seats filled" - if we have so many open seats, then why the heck can't I get any tickets???

I know companies buy box lots of seats... maybe 2 rows of 10 or something, and not everyone shows up to sit in them... but still. Doesn't mean they're not at home watching the game.

[CatKiller]

"but they're only 16th in the percentage of seats filled since 1996."

And yet every home game has been sold out for what, over 30 years? Not saying the Steelers should be #1, but 16th is way low.

These articles and the people who write them are getting better** all the time.





** when I say better, I mean dumber.

[oasiswr]

I don't understand how they get the numbers. Aparently it's by "seats filled" - if we have so many open seats, then why the heck can't I get any tickets???

I know companies buy box lots of seats... maybe 2 rows of 10 or something, and not everyone shows up to sit in them... but still. Doesn't mean they're not at home watching the game.

http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/020409/040209_scoop_gibson_vmed1p.widec.jpg
I see all kinds of Steelers tickets available from ticket brokers. For one site alone I see 1597 tickets available for Cincy versus the Steelers.Heck 30 tickets is practically on the 50 yard line for 273 bones.

http://www.stubhub.com/pittsburgh-steelers-tickets/?event_id=380075 (http://www.stubhub.com/pittsburgh-steelers-tickets/?event_id=380075)

Just because you can't get general admission at the gate doesn't mean that they aren't out there somewhere.

[Dr.Johnny Fever]

All day long!

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n135/charris1010/MB/bandwagon.jpg

[Joe from Florence]

I don't understand how they get the numbers. Aparently it's by "seats filled" - if we have so many open seats, then why the heck can't I get any tickets???

I know companies buy box lots of seats... maybe 2 rows of 10 or something, and not everyone shows up to sit in them... but still. Doesn't mean they're not at home watching the game.

Ouch...yea i feel your pain steely...another article proving that the "Great Steeler Nation" isn't all that great as we've been trying to tell you all for years now......I can help you out....just close this thread and act like you never saw it [;)]

[Jom112]

I don't understand how they get the numbers. Aparently it's by "seats filled" - if we have so many open seats, then why the heck can't I get any tickets???

I know companies buy box lots of seats... maybe 2 rows of 10 or something, and not everyone shows up to sit in them... but still. Doesn't mean they're not at home watching the game.

Do Steeler fans think that they are the only fans that have a tough time getting tickets for a home game?

[Steely_J]

I don't understand how they get the numbers. Aparently it's by "seats filled" - if we have so many open seats, then why the heck can't I get any tickets???

I know companies buy box lots of seats... maybe 2 rows of 10 or something, and not everyone shows up to sit in them... but still. Doesn't mean they're not at home watching the game.

Do Steeler fans think that they are the only fans that have a tough time getting tickets for a home game?


Did I say that? It sure doesn't look like I said that.


I want to know what this guy is basing his stats off of. Like CatKiller said, every home game has been sold out for the last 30 years. Even if someone's scalping, the ticket has been purchased.

It just doesn't add up. How's he getting his numbers?

[philhos]

Did I say that? It sure doesn't look like I said that.

I want to know what this guy is basing his stats off of. Like CatKiller said, every home game has been sold out for the last 30 years. Even if someone's scalping, the ticket has been purchased.

It just doesn't add up. How's he getting his numbers?
Well, according to the guy who wrote the article's main story (found here: http://www.bizjournals.com/edit_special/43.html):
The study set out to identify the NFL's best fans. Not the ones who turn out in strong numbers for a winning team, but the ones who stay loyal even if their team is losing, the weather is frightful or their local market is small. Cleveland fans earned first place by routinely packing their 73,000-seat stadium despite the dismal play of the Browns -- who have won only 36 of 112 games since 1999 -- and a climate that is among the coldest in the league.

Each NFL team's performance was analyzed in seven categories for the period of 1996-2005, including average attendance, percentage of seats filled, fluctuation in attendance between good and bad seasons, on-field record, market population, local income levels and weather. The study analyzed each team in two ways -- first for its level of fan support and then for the difficulty it poses to long-term supporters. Cleveland is No. 1 on both lists, clinching first place in the overall rankings of fan loyalty.

Sixty percent of each team's final score is based on the quality of its support, while 40 percent depends on the difficulties its fans face. The tougher the conditions become -- a losing record, a small market or harsh weather -- the higher a team's difficulty score will be.
Here's a link to the study's methodology: http://www.bizjournals.com/specials/pages/31.html
I don't want to make this post too long, so I won't quote the entire article, but here's their "formula":
Formula: Each team has been compared against the leaguewide averages for all seven factors.[Average attendance, percent capacity, attendance fluctuation, winning percentage, market population, per capita income, and december temperature. Check the article out for more info on each factor. - philhos]Teams less than seven years old have had their scores cut according to a sliding scale, reducing the statistical impact of the honeymoon period enjoyed by all new sports franchises. (Houston is the only franchise affected this year.) Factor scores have been totaled according to the 60-40 ratio noted above, with final results expressed on a 32-point scale. The higher its score, the greater a team’s level of fan loyalty.

[kywcat]

I don't understand how they get the numbers. Aparently it's by "seats filled" - if we have so many open seats, then why the heck can't I get any tickets???

I know companies buy box lots of seats... maybe 2 rows of 10 or something, and not everyone shows up to sit in them... but still. Doesn't mean they're not at home watching the game.

Do Steeler fans think that they are the only fans that have a tough time getting tickets for a home game?


Did I say that? It sure doesn't look like I said that.


I want to know what this guy is basing his stats off of. Like CatKiller said, every home game has been sold out for the last 30 years. Even if someone's scalping, the ticket has been purchased.

It just doesn't add up. How's he getting his numbers?

Well he says seats filled so I would guess they are counting tickets redeemed or turnstile clicks. But it was not on tickets sold.

[JS-Steelerfan]

This is an awful way to measure fan loyalty. It's more a measure of how much the demand for tickets pushes the price outside of the range of fans of popular teams. The Browns are number one because the resale value of their tickets is relatively cheap. I suspect that's because the demand for tickets from Corporate Cleveland is relatively low.
Consider this evidence: On ebay, I found lower level tickets to the Cleveland-Buffalo game for a "Buy-It-Now" price of $74 per ticket.
Now you might say, "Well, it's the Bills." And there would be some validity to that argument because better opponents certainly attract higher prices for Browns tickets. Yet, I found two lower level tickets to a Steelers-Bills game that came in at a whopping "Buy-It-Now" price of $239 per ticket. How many games would the average fan of any team be able to afford at that price?
I think that one of the things this study should take into consideration is price of the average re-sold ticket. I suspect that if that were a criteria, you'd see a much different picture.

[Jom112]

I don't understand how they get the numbers. Aparently it's by "seats filled" - if we have so many open seats, then why the heck can't I get any tickets???

I know companies buy box lots of seats... maybe 2 rows of 10 or something, and not everyone shows up to sit in them... but still. Doesn't mean they're not at home watching the game.

Do Steeler fans think that they are the only fans that have a tough time getting tickets for a home game?


Did I say that? It sure doesn't look like I said that.


I want to know what this guy is basing his stats off of. Like CatKiller said, every home game has been sold out for the last 30 years. Even if someone's scalping, the ticket has been purchased.

It just doesn't add up. How's he getting his numbers?

Did I say that you said that?
It was just a question based on the comments I hear out of Steeler fans. And since you are a Steeler fan I figured you might be able to answer it.
I'm wondering if you guys know that a lot of other teams sell our their stadiums consistently...

[Steely_J]

Did I say that? It sure doesn't look like I said that.

I want to know what this guy is basing his stats off of. Like CatKiller said, every home game has been sold out for the last 30 years. Even if someone's scalping, the ticket has been purchased.

It just doesn't add up. How's he getting his numbers?
Well, according to the guy who wrote the article's main story (found here: http://www.bizjournals.com/edit_special/43.html):
The study set out to identify the NFL's best fans. Not the ones who turn out in strong numbers for a winning team, but the ones who stay loyal even if their team is losing, the weather is frightful or their local market is small. Cleveland fans earned first place by routinely packing their 73,000-seat stadium despite the dismal play of the Browns -- who have won only 36 of 112 games since 1999 -- and a climate that is among the coldest in the league.

Each NFL team's performance was analyzed in seven categories for the period of 1996-2005, including average attendance, percentage of seats filled, fluctuation in attendance between good and bad seasons, on-field record, market population, local income levels and weather. The study analyzed each team in two ways -- first for its level of fan support and then for the difficulty it poses to long-term supporters. Cleveland is No. 1 on both lists, clinching first place in the overall rankings of fan loyalty.

Sixty percent of each team's final score is based on the quality of its support, while 40 percent depends on the difficulties its fans face. The tougher the conditions become -- a losing record, a small market or harsh weather -- the higher a team's difficulty score will be.
Here's a link to the study's methodology: http://www.bizjournals.com/specials/pages/31.html
I don't want to make this post too long, so I won't quote the entire article, but here's their "formula":
Formula: Each team has been compared against the leaguewide averages for all seven factors.[Average attendance, percent capacity, attendance fluctuation, winning percentage, market population, per capita income, and december temperature. Check the article out for more info on each factor. - philhos]Teams less than seven years old have had their scores cut according to a sliding scale, reducing the statistical impact of the honeymoon period enjoyed by all new sports franchises. (Houston is the only franchise affected this year.) Factor scores have been totaled according to the 60-40 ratio noted above, with final results expressed on a 32-point scale. The higher its score, the greater a team’s level of fan loyalty.


Yeah I read the article. It still seems goofey. How can you factor in attendance fluctuation when your team is always sold out? And how does temperature effect fan loyalty??? What about dome teams?

"It was a cold December... therefore some fans are no longer loyal to their team!"

I understand what the writer is trying to do, and I'm saying his method is stupid. These stats can't capture who's a die hard and who's a bandwagon fan. According to them, I'm not a die hard fan because I have only been to a handful of games in my life. (Most recently was Dec 24th 2006 when the Ravens stomped us in subfreezing temps - hows that for your stats?)

How do these stats take into consideration my Uncle who lives in Atlanta and goes to a Steeler Bar every weekend. Or the huge group of Steeler fans at several bars in Columbus every weekend? None of them have tickets or are at the game or are being effected by the temperature.

My father in law is a Bio Statustician. I'm gonna shoot him this link and ask him if the study makes sense to him.

[philhos]

Yeah I read the article. It still seems goofey. How can you factor in attendance fluctuation when your team is always sold out? And how does temperature effect fan loyalty??? What about dome teams?

"It was a cold December... therefore some fans are no longer loyal to their team!"

I understand what the writer is trying to do, and I'm saying his method is stupid. These stats can't capture who's a die hard and who's a bandwagon fan. According to them, I'm not a die hard fan because I have only been to a handful of games in my life. (Most recently was Dec 24th 2006 when the Ravens stomped us in subfreezing temps - hows that for your stats?)

How do these stats take into consideration my Uncle who lives in Atlanta and goes to a Steeler Bar every weekend. Or the huge group of Steeler fans at several bars in Columbus every weekend? None of them have tickets or are at the game or are being effected by the temperature.

My father in law is a Bio Statustician. I'm gonna shoot him this link and ask him if the study makes sense to him.

It's obvious Steely. You and your family and all those other Steeler fans are bandwagon fans.[H]

[kywcat]

This is an awful way to measure fan loyalty. It's more a measure of how much the demand for tickets pushes the price outside of the range of fans of popular teams. The Browns are number one because the resale value of their tickets is relatively cheap. I suspect that's because the demand for tickets from Corporate Cleveland is relatively low.
Consider this evidence: On ebay, I found lower level tickets to the Cleveland-Buffalo game for a "Buy-It-Now" price of $74 per ticket.
Now you might say, "Well, it's the Bills." And there would be some validity to that argument because better opponents certainly attract higher prices for Browns tickets. Yet, I found two lower level tickets to a Steelers-Bills game that came in at a whopping "Buy-It-Now" price of $239 per ticket. How many games would the average fan of any team be able to afford at that price?
I think that one of the things this study should take into consideration is price of the average re-sold ticket. I suspect that if that were a criteria, you'd see a much different picture.

Playing devils advocate.
As a loyal fan are you more interested in how much you can get for your ticket or making sure another fan gets into the seat.

[Steely_J]

Yeah I read the article. It still seems goofey. How can you factor in attendance fluctuation when your team is always sold out? And how does temperature effect fan loyalty??? What about dome teams?

"It was a cold December... therefore some fans are no longer loyal to their team!"

I understand what the writer is trying to do, and I'm saying his method is stupid. These stats can't capture who's a die hard and who's a bandwagon fan. According to them, I'm not a die hard fan because I have only been to a handful of games in my life. (Most recently was Dec 24th 2006 when the Ravens stomped us in subfreezing temps - hows that for your stats?)

How do these stats take into consideration my Uncle who lives in Atlanta and goes to a Steeler Bar every weekend. Or the huge group of Steeler fans at several bars in Columbus every weekend? None of them have tickets or are at the game or are being effected by the temperature.

My father in law is a Bio Statustician. I'm gonna shoot him this link and ask him if the study makes sense to him.

It's obvious Steely. You and your family and all those other Steeler fans are bandwagon fans.[H]


OBVIOUSLY!

Ha! Why didn't I see this before?? [H]

[jbird]

I curious, what does a Bio Statustician do, the same thing as a Bio Statitician?

[jbird]

Typo on me too, that would be statistician, loses the edge when you can type yourself.

[JS-Steelerfan]

Playing devils advocate.As a loyal fan are you more interested in how much you can get for your ticket or making sure another fan gets into the seat.

But that's exactly the problem: the tickets don't always start out in the hands of loyal fans.
I believe that when a team is immensely popular, a large number of available tickets end up with two groups that care nothing about fan loyalty: corporations and ticket brokers/scalpers. Corporations get tickets for business purposes - taking a client to the game, for example. But when they decide to scrap those plans when the thermometer drops, they will either sell to the highest bidder or discard the tickets entirely. And I think we all know what the motivation of the brokers/scalpers is.
The point is that a team's success can sometimes work against them when it comes to attendance at the games. For this and other reasons that have been pointed out elsewhere (thanks Steely J), this is a horrible way to determine "fan loyalty".

[philhos]

Yeah I read the article. It still seems goofey. How can you factor in attendance fluctuation when your team is always sold out? And how does temperature effect fan loyalty??? What about dome teams?

"It was a cold December... therefore some fans are no longer loyal to their team!"

I understand what the writer is trying to do, and I'm saying his method is stupid. These stats can't capture who's a die hard and who's a bandwagon fan. According to them, I'm not a die hard fan because I have only been to a handful of games in my life. (Most recently was Dec 24th 2006 when the Ravens stomped us in subfreezing temps - hows that for your stats?)

How do these stats take into consideration my Uncle who lives in Atlanta and goes to a Steeler Bar every weekend. Or the huge group of Steeler fans at several bars in Columbus every weekend? None of them have tickets or are at the game or are being effected by the temperature.

My father in law is a Bio Statustician. I'm gonna shoot him this link and ask him if the study makes sense to him.

It's obvious Steely. You and your family and all those other Steeler fans are bandwagon fans.[H]


OBVIOUSLY!

Ha! Why didn't I see this before?? [H]

Bandwagon fans never notice their bandwagonness until it's pointed out to them, though, most deny it even after it's revealed. Kudos to you for accepting what we've all known all along.[;)]

[kywcat]

Playing devils advocate. As a loyal fan are you more interested in how much you can get for your ticket or making sure another fan gets into the seat.

But that's exactly the problem: the tickets don't always start out in the hands of loyal fans.
I believe that when a team is immensely popular, a large number of available tickets end up with two groups that care nothing about fan loyalty: corporations and ticket brokers/scalpers. Corporations get tickets for business purposes - taking a client to the game, for example. But when they decide to scrap those plans when the thermometer drops, they will either sell to the highest bidder or discard the tickets entirely. And I think we all know what the motivation of the brokers/scalpers is.
The point is that a team's success can sometimes work against them when it comes to attendance at the games. For this and other reasons that have been pointed out elsewhere (thanks Steely J), this is a horrible way to determine "fan loyalty".

But don't you think the same problem is for teams higher on the list like Washington, KC, and Philly? Yet their attendance has been higher.

[JS-Steelerfan]

Playing devils advocate. As a loyal fan are you more interested in how much you can get for your ticket or making sure another fan gets into the seat.

But that's exactly the problem: the tickets don't always start out in the hands of loyal fans.
I believe that when a team is immensely popular, a large number of available tickets end up with two groups that care nothing about fan loyalty: corporations and ticket brokers/scalpers. Corporations get tickets for business purposes - taking a client to the game, for example. But when they decide to scrap those plans when the thermometer drops, they will either sell to the highest bidder or discard the tickets entirely. And I think we all know what the motivation of the brokers/scalpers is.
The point is that a team's success can sometimes work against them when it comes to attendance at the games. For this and other reasons that have been pointed out elsewhere (thanks Steely J), this is a horrible way to determine "fan loyalty".

But don't you think the same problem is for teams higher on the list like Washington, KC, and Philly? Yet their attendance has been higher.

True, but how many championships have those teams won lately? Look at SB winners of the last five years. Every one of them ranks 15th or lower on this list.

[philhos]

Playing devils advocate. As a loyal fan are you more interested in how much you can get for your ticket or making sure another fan gets into the seat.

But that's exactly the problem: the tickets don't always start out in the hands of loyal fans.
I believe that when a team is immensely popular, a large number of available tickets end up with two groups that care nothing about fan loyalty: corporations and ticket brokers/scalpers. Corporations get tickets for business purposes - taking a client to the game, for example. But when they decide to scrap those plans when the thermometer drops, they will either sell to the highest bidder or discard the tickets entirely. And I think we all know what the motivation of the brokers/scalpers is.
The point is that a team's success can sometimes work against them when it comes to attendance at the games. For this and other reasons that have been pointed out elsewhere (thanks Steely J), this is a horrible way to determine "fan loyalty".

But don't you think the same problem is for teams higher on the list like Washington, KC, and Philly? Yet their attendance has been higher.

True, but how many championships have those teams won lately? Look at SB winners of the last five years. Every one of them ranks 15th or lower on this list.

Gee, who woulda thunk it that Super Bowl winners would have more bandwagon fans than crappy teams. [:|]

[Steely_J]

Typo on me too, that would be statistician, loses the edge when you can type yourself.

Well given the fact that spelling smack is one of the weakest forms of smack out there, it really has no edge to begin with.... yet you still found a way to sting yourself with it. That takes a special kind of nubsauce!

You wear your http://boards.bengals.com/utility/rankicons/newbie.jpg well.

[jbird]

Nice, so I should look to your witticisms as the end all be all on this board. From what I've been reading your slightly full of yourself, but then again, consider the source.

[kywcat]

Playing devils advocate. As a loyal fan are you more interested in how much you can get for your ticket or making sure another fan gets into the seat.

But that's exactly the problem: the tickets don't always start out in the hands of loyal fans.
I believe that when a team is immensely popular, a large number of available tickets end up with two groups that care nothing about fan loyalty: corporations and ticket brokers/scalpers. Corporations get tickets for business purposes - taking a client to the game, for example. But when they decide to scrap those plans when the thermometer drops, they will either sell to the highest bidder or discard the tickets entirely. And I think we all know what the motivation of the brokers/scalpers is.
The point is that a team's success can sometimes work against them when it comes to attendance at the games. For this and other reasons that have been pointed out elsewhere (thanks Steely J), this is a horrible way to determine "fan loyalty".

But don't you think the same problem is for teams higher on the list like Washington, KC, and Philly? Yet their attendance has been higher.

True, but how many championships have those teams won lately? Look at SB winners of the last five years. Every one of them ranks 15th or lower on this list.

Gee, who woulda thunk it that Super Bowl winners would have more bandwagon fans than crappy teams. [:|]

So as I understand your argument against this report:
Pittsburgh fans are more loyal than this report states and does not have that many bandwagon fans because they are successful SB winners which resulted in Bandwagon fans buying up season tickets but wimp out in cold weather so they sell the tickets to people that still don't go.

[Steely_J]

Nice, so I should look to your witticisms as the end all be all on this board. From what I've been reading your slightly full of yourself, but then again, consider the source.

Slightly? I have been pumping as much "I'm the Awesome and You're not the Awesome!" into my posts as I can. If I've only received a "slightly full of yourself" ranking from a fresh-out-da-oven nubcake, then I better kick it up a notch!

[H]

[jbird]

I can pass gas with more hot air than you have in your posts.

[Steely_J]

I can pass gas with more hot air than you have in your posts.

Sooo... you fart alot? [:|]

Wow... showed me buddy. zzzZing...[|-)]

[jbird]

not bad, you came up with that in like, 20 minutes or so. Your good....

[Steely_J]

not bad, you came up with that in like, 20 minutes or so. Your good....

Oh right.. just like it took you 11 minutes to come up with this brain nugget... because after all, you must be sitting there constantly hitting refresh waiting for a response eh?

[Long Time Bengal Fan]

Say What?
It's obvious this was written by a brown stain. How else would you expect Cleveland to finish first in anything?
The telling tale is that the logic is not logical!
If a stadium is sold out, it's sold out!
The only thing is, if people aren't going to show they should donate their tickets to a fellow fan. Any Bengals fans want to donate their tickets to me for this years home games? [;)]



Well, you can't blame a guy for trying! [:D]

[philhos]

Playing devils advocate. As a loyal fan are you more interested in how much you can get for your ticket or making sure another fan gets into the seat.

But that's exactly the problem: the tickets don't always start out in the hands of loyal fans.
I believe that when a team is immensely popular, a large number of available tickets end up with two groups that care nothing about fan loyalty: corporations and ticket brokers/scalpers. Corporations get tickets for business purposes - taking a client to the game, for example. But when they decide to scrap those plans when the thermometer drops, they will either sell to the highest bidder or discard the tickets entirely. And I think we all know what the motivation of the brokers/scalpers is.
The point is that a team's success can sometimes work against them when it comes to attendance at the games. For this and other reasons that have been pointed out elsewhere (thanks Steely J), this is a horrible way to determine "fan loyalty".

But don't you think the same problem is for teams higher on the list like Washington, KC, and Philly? Yet their attendance has been higher.

True, but how many championships have those teams won lately? Look at SB winners of the last five years. Every one of them ranks 15th or lower on this list.

Gee, who woulda thunk it that Super Bowl winners would have more bandwagon fans than crappy teams. [:|]

So as I understand your argument against this report:
Pittsburgh fans are more loyal than this report states and does not have that many bandwagon fans because they are successful SB winners which resulted in Bandwagon fans buying up season tickets but wimp out in cold weather so they sell the tickets to people that still don't go.

I'm not arguing for or against anything. I'm just pointing out to JS-Steelerfan that it's commonly accepted that world champions always gain "new" fans each year from those jumping on the bandwagon.
That's all. Not saying anything about therest of the topic.

[CalSteeler]

Dear god this again?!?! I'm sure you didn't see it Shockwave but this was done to death about two months ago. The metrics they use to determine their rankings are utterly flawed. I'm sure the original thread has been deleted but I just don't feel like rehashing this.

[BamBamRubble]

Dear god this again?!?! I'm sure you didn't see it Shockwave but this was done to death about two months ago. The metrics they use to determine their rankings are utterly flawed. I'm sure the original thread has been deleted but I just don't feel like rehashing this.


So why comment at all? Or do you just think that any thread without your 5 rings worth is simply a waste? I mean like.....who cares WTF you think any way Stooler's fan? You're in the Jungle baby!

[CalSteeler]

Dear god this again?!?! I'm sure you didn't see it Shockwave but this was done to death about two months ago. The metrics they use to determine their rankings are utterly flawed. I'm sure the original thread has been deleted but I just don't feel like rehashing this.


So why comment at all? Or do you just think that any thread without your 5 rings worth is simply a waste? I mean like.....who cares WTF you think any way Stooler's fan? You're in the Jungle baby!


No, I'm in the smack talk forum. The Jungle is where you all hold hands and gaze wistfully at pictures of Carson Palmer.

[BamBamRubble]

Dear god this again?!?! I'm sure you didn't see it Shockwave but this was done to death about two months ago. The metrics they use to determine their rankings are utterly flawed. I'm sure the original thread has been deleted but I just don't feel like rehashing this.


So why comment at all? Or do you just think that any thread without your 5 rings worth is simply a waste? I mean like.....who cares WTF you think any way Stooler's fan? You're in the Jungle baby!


No, I'm in the smack talk forum. The Jungle is where you all hold hands and gaze wistfully at pictures of Carson Palmer.


Dude...you're just jealous.
I bet you have a Carson Palmer Big Head sticker on your bedroom ceiling. Right above your bed. Come on man....admit it. [:)]

[CalSteeler]

Dude...you're just jealous.
I bet you have a Carson Palmer Big Head sticker on your bedroom ceiling. Right above your bed. Come on man....admit it. [:)]


Two things, first of all it's called a Fat Head. Secondly, no I don't, but it is interesting that your mind went there, and by interesting I mean disturbing.

[sloppy lombardi slaps]

No, I'm in the smack talk forum. The Jungle is where you all hold hands and gaze wistfully at pictures of Carson Palmer.


i've been to the steelernation.com forum it's nothing but a big "cj" if you can use your imagination.

[CalSteeler]

No, I'm in the smack talk forum. The Jungle is where you all hold hands and gaze wistfully at pictures of Carson Palmer.


i've been to the steelernation.com forum it's nothing but a big "cj" if you can use your imagination.


Can't argue with that, which is why I don't post there at all.

[IRON CITY MAN]

does it hurt that bad? really...be honest with yourself.

ya know, these types of threads make me sick. don't you guys have any dignity about yourselves? do you not feel any shame? i'm being honest and sincere here. it's gotten to the point that i'm almost embarassed for ya'll.

your jealousy for our storied franchise is truly remarkable. i'm not pretending to know how ya feel or even claim to understand but come on already! you look rediculous trying to question our loyalty. your driving me nuts here! are you not adults? do you not know how stupid ya'll look? i'm getting tired of feeling my face turn red for somebody else's actions. i care how ya'll look.....why don't you????

i'm not going to sit here and say i wish i could know what it's like to root for a loser because i don't. i really don't want to know but please....please help me understand. help me know what makes grown men act like children. help me know what it's like to hurt so bad that throwing every ounce of your dignity into the toilet is your only salvation.

how do ya'll even show your face?

[Shockwave]

Dear god this again?!?!* I'm sure you didn't see it Shockwave but this was done to death about two months ago.* The metrics they use to determine their rankings are utterly flawed.* I'm sure the original thread has been deleted but I just don't feel like rehashing this.
No I didn't see it as I have not spent much time on here until recently. However, I also didn't even realize that these had come out that long ago... I saw the rankings on a board I am on and thought I would post it here.I am also not exactly calling you all bandwagon fans, which is why I made it into a question rather than a statement. Bandwagon fan.:P

[philhos]

does it hurt that bad? really...be honest with yourself.

ya know, these types of threads make me sick. don't you guys have any dignity about yourselves? do you not feel any shame? i'm being honest and sincere here. it's gotten to the point that i'm almost embarassed for ya'll.

your jealousy for our storied franchise is truly remarkable. i'm not pretending to know how ya feel or even claim to understand but come on already! you look rediculous trying to question our loyalty. your driving me nuts here! are you not adults? do you not know how stupid ya'll look? i'm getting tired of feeling my face turn red for somebody else's actions. i care how ya'll look.....why don't you????

i'm not going to sit here and say i wish i could know what it's like to root for a loser because i don't. i really don't want to know but please....please help me understand. help me know what makes grown men act like children. help me know what it's like to hurt so bad that throwing every ounce of your dignity into the toilet is your only salvation.

how do ya'll even show your face?

Yeah, we're jealous. [8-)]
If anything, us Bengal fans should be truly admired. To go through the streak of futility that we went through in the 90's and early part of the 00's and to STILL be a Bengal fan is something that all fans should aspire to. We didn't jump on any other team's bandwagon (not saying you did), but we stuck by our team when others would have left long ago.
Do we wish we had 5 Lombardi's? Sure. Do YOU wish your team's fans would stick by the team through thick AND thin? Yes.

[IRON CITY MAN]

does it hurt that bad? really...be honest with yourself.

ya know, these types of threads make me sick. don't you guys have any dignity about yourselves? do you not feel any shame? i'm being honest and sincere here. it's gotten to the point that i'm almost embarassed for ya'll.

your jealousy for our storied franchise is truly remarkable. i'm not pretending to know how ya feel or even claim to understand but come on already! you look rediculous trying to question our loyalty. your driving me nuts here! are you not adults? do you not know how stupid ya'll look? i'm getting tired of feeling my face turn red for somebody else's actions. i care how ya'll look.....why don't you????

i'm not going to sit here and say i wish i could know what it's like to root for a loser because i don't. i really don't want to know but please....please help me understand. help me know what makes grown men act like children. help me know what it's like to hurt so bad that throwing every ounce of your dignity into the toilet is your only salvation.

how do ya'll even show your face?

Yeah, we're jealous. [8-)]
If anything, us Bengal fans should be truly admired. To go through the streak of futility that we went through in the 90's and early part of the 00's and to STILL be a Bengal fan is something that all fans should aspire to. We didn't jump on any other team's bandwagon (not saying you did), but we stuck by our team when others would have left long ago.
Do we wish we had 5 Lombardi's? Sure. Do YOU wish your team's fans would stick by the team through thick AND thin? Yes.
....and for anyone else who feels they need to respond, just keep one thing in mind. as rediculous as you look now, it can get worse.

philhos, just stop while your ahead. for the love of god just stop all this nonsense.

[philhos]

does it hurt that bad? really...be honest with yourself.

ya know, these types of threads make me sick. don't you guys have any dignity about yourselves? do you not feel any shame? i'm being honest and sincere here. it's gotten to the point that i'm almost embarassed for ya'll.

your jealousy for our storied franchise is truly remarkable. i'm not pretending to know how ya feel or even claim to understand but come on already! you look rediculous trying to question our loyalty. your driving me nuts here! are you not adults? do you not know how stupid ya'll look? i'm getting tired of feeling my face turn red for somebody else's actions. i care how ya'll look.....why don't you????

i'm not going to sit here and say i wish i could know what it's like to root for a loser because i don't. i really don't want to know but please....please help me understand. help me know what makes grown men act like children. help me know what it's like to hurt so bad that throwing every ounce of your dignity into the toilet is your only salvation.

how do ya'll even show your face?

Yeah, we're jealous. [8-)]
If anything, us Bengal fans should be truly admired. To go through the streak of futility that we went through in the 90's and early part of the 00's and to STILL be a Bengal fan is something that all fans should aspire to. We didn't jump on any other team's bandwagon (not saying you did), but we stuck by our team when others would have left long ago.
Do we wish we had 5 Lombardi's? Sure. Do YOU wish your team's fans would stick by the team through thick AND thin? Yes.
....and for anyone else who feels they need to respond, just keep one thing in mind. as rediculous as you look now, it can get worse.

philhos, just stop while your ahead. for the love of god just stop all this nonsense.

Awwwwwwwwwww, I'm sorry. Did the truth hurt that much?
Poor baby. Let mommy kiss it and make it all better.
http://www.idocelebrations.com/images/pics/PuckerUpBaby!.jpg

[Ill Will]

Awwwwwwwwwww, I'm sorry. Did the truth hurt that much?Poor baby. Let mommy kiss it and make it all better.
http://www.idocelebrations.com/images/pics/PuckerUpBaby!.jpg

Phil!
Is that really you!? Why are you calling yourself "mommy"?!

[philhos]

Awwwwwwwwwww, I'm sorry. Did the truth hurt that much? Poor baby. Let mommy kiss it and make it all better.
http://www.idocelebrations.com/images/pics/PuckerUpBaby!.jpg

Phil!
Is that really you!? Why are you calling yourself "mommy"?!

That's a picture of a guy named "mommy." He has infantilism disease - he'll always look and have the body of a 2-year-old. "Mommy" is currently 49 years old and loves to give kisses.

[philhos]

Okay, just for fun, I googled "infantilism" and found out that there is a disease called "infantilism" (also known as paraphilic infantilism), but it's a desire to wear diapers, drink from bottles, etc.
Soooooooooooo, IRON CITY has paraphilic infantilism!!! Na na na na na naaaaaaaaaaaa! [:p]

[Ill Will]

Awwwwwwwwwww, I'm sorry. Did the truth hurt that much? Poor baby. Let mommy kiss it and make it all better.
http://www.idocelebrations.com/images/pics/PuckerUpBaby!.jpg

Phil!
Is that really you!? Why are you calling yourself "mommy"?!

That's a picture of a guy named "mommy." He has infantilism disease - he'll always look and have the body of a 2-year-old. "Mommy" is currently 49 years old and loves to give kisses.

If your serious I feel bad.
If your joking than I never believed you to begin with.[;)]

[Rayne]

does it hurt that bad? really...be honest with yourself.

ya know, these types of threads make me sick. don't you guys have any dignity about yourselves? do you not feel any shame? i'm being honest and sincere here. it's gotten to the point that i'm almost embarassed for ya'll.

your jealousy for our storied franchise is truly remarkable. i'm not pretending to know how ya feel or even claim to understand but come on already! you look rediculous trying to question our loyalty. your driving me nuts here! are you not adults? do you not know how stupid ya'll look? i'm getting tired of feeling my face turn red for somebody else's actions. i care how ya'll look.....why don't you????

i'm not going to sit here and say i wish i could know what it's like to root for a loser because i don't. i really don't want to know but please....please help me understand. help me know what makes grown men act like children. help me know what it's like to hurt so bad that throwing every ounce of your dignity into the toilet is your only salvation.

how do ya'll even show your face?

Yeah, we're jealous. [8-)]
If anything, us Bengal fans should be truly admired. To go through the streak of futility that we went through in the 90's and early part of the 00's and to STILL be a Bengal fan is something that all fans should aspire to. We didn't jump on any other team's bandwagon (not saying you did), but we stuck by our team when others would have left long ago.
Do we wish we had 5 Lombardi's? Sure. Do YOU wish your team's fans would stick by the team through thick AND thin? Yes.

It's not our fault that our team hasn't had much, "thin". [:P]
I'm not about to apoligize for being one of the best teams in the NFL for the past almost 40 years.
Really...wouldn't you rather that your team had our record over the last 35 years than your own?

[Beaker]

your jealousy for our storied franchise is truly remarkable.
We're not the ones on another team's MB, now are we? (Much less the team that finished just ahead of you in the standings). Kinda obvious that youre projecting your own inadequacies onto us.

[kywcat]

I'm not about to apoligize for being one of the best teams in the NFL for the past almost 40 years.

How many people do youhave in that head of yours? Can we talk to Sybil now?

[IRON CITY MAN]

your jealousy for our storied franchise is truly remarkable.
We're not the ones on another team's MB, now are we? (Much less the team that finished just ahead of you in the standings). Kinda obvious that youre projecting your own inadequacies onto us.
no matter how humble a person can be, it's only natural for said person to congregate, from time to time, in places where he feels superior. take beaker for instance, beaker hangs out quite regularly over at dawg talk. well, he used to anyway. now tell me, why do you think that is? could it be because it's a place where he can go and at least not feel like he's the laughingstock as far as fans of the nfl are concerned? let's be honest with ourselves here. the "stains" crew don't have much to brag about themselves unless you go back before many of you were born.

now beaker... if ya really...really want to know and understand why steeler fans come here,why don't you visit a board where you can truly feel like a king? yea..that's the way to go. head on over to the....the...umm...head on over to the...umm...

o.k. so there ain't really much you can do to get inside of our minds but can i make a suggestion? at least visit say the..uh...o i don't know, maybe a cards or lions board. at least there your on even ground and can get at least a smidgen of joy that we steeler fans experience every day we exsist.

[Cobra Commander]

your jealousy for our storied franchise is truly remarkable.
We're not the ones on another team's MB, now are we? (Much less the team that finished just ahead of you in the standings). Kinda obvious that youre projecting your own inadequacies onto us.
no matter how humble a person can be, it's only natural for said person to congregate, from time to time, in places where he feels superior. take beaker for instance, beaker hangs out quite regularly over at dawg talk. well, he used to anyway. now tell me, why do you think that is? could it be because it's a place where he can go and at least not feel like he's the laughingstock as far as fans of the nfl are concerned? let's be honest with ourselves here. the "stains" crew don't have much to brag about themselves unless you go back before many of you were born.

now beaker... if ya really...really want to know and understand why steeler fans come here,why don't you visit a board where you can truly feel like a king? yea..that's the way to go. head on over to the....the...umm...head on over to the...umm...

o.k. so there ain't really much you can do to get inside of our minds but can i make a suggestion? at least visit say the..uh...o i don't know, maybe a cards or lions board. at least there your on even ground and can get at least a smidgen of joy that we steeler fans experience every day since we jumped on the bandwagon.

Fixed it for you. And don't act like it isn't true. Steelers fans outside of Pitt are bandwagon as he11. They all got some lame story of how they became fans, and it always starts with "a couple years ago".

[CalSteeler]

Fixed it for you. And don't act like it isn't true. Steelers fans outside of Pitt are bandwagon as he11. They all got some lame story of how they became fans, and it always starts with "a couple years ago".


I hate broad generalizations. I've never even been to Pittsburgh, much less lived there, and I've been a Steeler fan for 30 of my 33 years. Haven't missed a game since I moved back from Europe in the mid 80's. I'd put myself against a Pitt native in team knowledge any day with confidence.

The point I'm trying to make isn't that I'm uberfan. It's that I loathe the notion that you can't be a real fan of a team unless you're from their city. The Steelers, like any successful team, has it's share of bandwagon fans, I run into them all the time. Being a Pitt native has absolutely no bearing on that however.

[Cobra Commander]

Fixed it for you. And don't act like it isn't true. Steelers fans outside of Pitt are bandwagon as he11. They all got some lame story of how they became fans, and it always starts with "a couple years ago".


I hate broad generalizations. I've never even been to Pittsburgh, much less lived there, and I've been a Steeler fan for 30 of my 33 years. Haven't missed a game since I moved back from Europe in the mid 80's. I'd put myself against a Pitt native in team knowledge any day with confidence.

The point I'm trying to make isn't that I'm uberfan. It's that I loathe the notion that you can't be a real fan of a team unless you're from their city. The Steelers, like any successful team, has it's share of bandwagon fans, I run into them all the time. Being a Pitt native has absolutely no bearing on that however.
I never said you had to be from the city where a team plays to be a good fan of them. Just gave an example of the Steelers fans I've met in person outside of Pitt, and their explanations of how they became a fan.

[IRON CITY MAN]

Fixed it for you. And don't act like it isn't true. Steelers fans outside of Pitt are bandwagon as he11. They all got some lame story of how they became fans, and it always starts with "a couple years ago".


I hate broad generalizations. I've never even been to Pittsburgh, much less lived there, and I've been a Steeler fan for 30 of my 33 years. Haven't missed a game since I moved back from Europe in the mid 80's. I'd put myself against a Pitt native in team knowledge any day with confidence.

The point I'm trying to make isn't that I'm uberfan. It's that I loathe the notion that you can't be a real fan of a team unless you're from their city. The Steelers, like any successful team, has it's share of bandwagon fans, I run into them all the time. Being a Pitt native has absolutely no bearing on that however.
your right. some of the most loyal, knowledgable steeler fans i've had the pleasure of meeting are not natives. does it really matter though?
as for myself, i've been a fan since birth. and yes, it's possible. ya see, in my house you either pulled for the steelers or you slept in the garage. i may be exagerating just a bit but for those who grew up in or around pittsburgh, you know exactly what i mean.
i feel lucky to remember a few of those teams of the 70's and no matter how much you guys cry that we live in the past, i'll always cherish those times. that's what following sports is all about. why would we want to forget anyway? and to set the record straight, i don't care when a steeler fan decided to jump on board. unless of course you jump ship during the lean years.

[Rayne]

your jealousy for our storied franchise is truly remarkable.
We're not the ones on another team's MB, now are we? (Much less the team that finished just ahead of you in the standings). Kinda obvious that youre projecting your own inadequacies onto us.
no matter how humble a person can be, it's only natural for said person to congregate, from time to time, in places where he feels superior. take beaker for instance, beaker hangs out quite regularly over at dawg talk. well, he used to anyway. now tell me, why do you think that is? could it be because it's a place where he can go and at least not feel like he's the laughingstock as far as fans of the nfl are concerned? let's be honest with ourselves here. the "stains" crew don't have much to brag about themselves unless you go back before many of you were born.

now beaker... if ya really...really want to know and understand why steeler fans come here,why don't you visit a board where you can truly feel like a king? yea..that's the way to go. head on over to the....the...umm...head on over to the...umm...

o.k. so there ain't really much you can do to get inside of our minds but can i make a suggestion? at least visit say the..uh...o i don't know, maybe a cards or lions board. at least there your on even ground and can get at least a smidgen of joy that we steeler fans experience every day since we jumped on the bandwagon.

Fixed it for you. And don't act like it isn't true. Steelers fans outside of Pitt are bandwagon as he11. They all got some lame story of how they became fans, and it always starts with "a couple years ago".

Not in my case, CC. Started cheering for us as soon as I could - which just happened to be in the early 70's as I wasn't born till the late 60's.
Went to school in the 70's with nothing but Cowboy and Oilers fans...and me wearing black and gold. Took many a beating for my club. How many have other fans taken for thiers?
And don't give me this "mental" stuff...seriously, how many fans have taken physical abuse for their loyalty.
You may have grounds to question the loyalty of some (and you'll find that's true of ALL clubs in ALL sports, worldwide) but you can't question mine.

[Whatever]

My problem with the whole article is that there is really no scientific way to judge fan loyalty. I mean,through that guy's research,the Browns are #1 in fan loyalty based on gate,tickets sold,cold weather,and the fact that the team has ****** forever,but those stands are half-empty after half-time of almost every game. That's not loyalty to me. A true fan would stick the game out and wouldn't be trying to beat traffic home to drown his sorrows at the local sports bar.
I also doesn't factor in how well a team's fans "travel." Steelers' fans do have a tendancy to travel well. Unfortuantely,it's impossible to determine whether these are die-hards from PA trekking it cross-country to away games,die-hard fans living in the area,or just bandwagon-jumpers in the home team's area.
To someone's point earlier about ticket prices,it's almost impossible to factor in ticket prices. That's because the cost of living in a place like New York City or San Diego is a lot higher than the cost of living in Cleveland or Green Bay. What seems like an exorbitant ticket price to somone in Ohio would just be a drop in the bucket for a New Yorker.

[Silver Surfer]

Funny thing is , you have alot of fans diguised as empty seats in your stadium.

[Steely_J]

Funny thing is , you have alot of fans diguised as empty seats in your stadium.

Wow... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony)