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warsteiner138

11-05-2007, 08:36 PM

Hey I just want to point out this not an official thread. I give my word. I do not work for the Bengals. I am not one those holier than though moderators. I just a diehard Bengals fan.

I hope the Bengals win every other game and win the Superbowl this year. But just in case that does not happen and going to I am going to start charting the Bengals current pick in draft order. This will of course get more interesting as the season goes on. I will try to post the updates on monday because that is my offday. If there is a team that impacts the Bengals pick on Monday Night Football; I will update after the game. I am human and probable will make a couple of mistakes; so feel free to correct me if I mess up. Let's begin.

As my understanding the Bengals are right now picking 6th.

The Rams 0-8 are 1th pick and play at the Saints.
The Dolphins 0-8 are 2nd pick and are at home against the Bills.
The Jets 1-8 are the 3rd pick and have a bye this week.
The Falcons 2-6 are the 4th pick and play at the Panthers.
The 49ers are 2-6 are the 5th pick and play the at Seahawks.
The Bengals are 2-6 are the 6th pick and play at the Ravens.
The Raiders are 2-6 are the 7th pick and play Bears in Oakland.

I am not going to comment on if I think the Bengals are going to win or lose their games.

I think the Raiders, 49ers, Falcons and Dolphins all could get wins this week. The Dolphins are at home and are not going to go winless. Falcons won last week and the Panthers have no QB(Carr). 49ers I believe beat the seahawks twice last year. Raiders at home with a good defense; The Bears can not run the ball and have questionable QB.

This thread should get a lot more exciting during the end of the year.

Right now NFL draft Blitz has got this Mock Draft

1.Rams - Glenn Dorsey DT LSU
2. Dolphins- Brian Brohm QB UL
3. Jets - Chris Long DE UV
4. Falcons- Darren McFadden RB Ark
5. New England(from 49ers) - Mike Jenkins CB S. Flor
6. Bengals - Sedrick Ellis DT USC

I do not think is very good mock draft but we all know it is long time till draft. Players will rise and fall but I will try to show a glimpse at most current mock drafts.

Later and WHO-DEY!

Foop

11-06-2007, 07:56 AM

didn't the dolphins just draft Jon Beck? I think they have plans for him at QB

true fan

11-06-2007, 09:02 AM

Miami Dolphins: Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
Out of all the winless teams, the Dolphins are ranked the worst on my NFL Power Rankings Page (http://walterfootball.com/analysis.php).

Tough decision between Jake Long and Glenn Dorsey. I know some other mock drafts have the former going to South Beach, but the Dolphins have only given up two sacks per game this year. They also run the ball extremely well, as Ronnie Brown and Jesse Chatman have both been ripping off more than five yards per carry. The main reason Miami is 0-8 is because it cannot stop anyone; while the offense is ranked 13th, the defense is dead last, surrendering 30.5 points per game.

Glenn Dorsey has dominated the line of scrimmage almost every game this year. The Dolphins' decrepit stop unit needs help everywhere, starting up front. Dorsey can instantly improve an 10-sack defense ranked 26th against the run.

St. Louis Rams: Jake Long, OT, Michigan
Orlando Pace is one of the top offensive tackles in the game, but he has missed significant time the past two seasons. Without Pace on the line, the Rams simply cannot score consistently. They need to do something about this, because as far as I'm concerned, Pace is unreliable at this stage of his career. St. Louis cannot allow Marc Bulger to be sacked six times per week. He's too good a quarterback for that to happen.

New York Jets: Chris Long, DE, Virginia
The Jets are 1-7 because Chad Pennington ***** and they have only eight sacks through eight contests this season. Kellen Clemens will fix the first problem (hopefully), meaning New York will need to draft someone who can get to the quarterback in their 3-4 defense. Chris Long, son of former Raider and current FOX analyst Howie Long, currently plays in the 3-4 at Virginia. He's a top-10 prospect, so this seems like a perfect fit.

Atlanta Falcons: Andre' Woodson, QB, Kentucky
I really feel sorry for Atlanta fans. They go from having their best quarterback traded to Houston, to watching their current signal caller get thrown in prison for slaughtering dogs. Then, they have to decide between the piano-playing Joey Harrington and the cheeseburger-eating Byron Leftwich. Is there any doubt the Falcons won't be drafting a quarterback?

Well, there is a chance the Falcons could pass up on the two signal callers if someone special like Darren McFadden is available. Warrick Dunn is close to retirement, and I'm not convinced that Jerious Norwood can carry the load on his own. Atlanta could maintain one of the league's most potent rushing attacks and still acquire a franchise quarterback at the top of Round 2.

Actually, now that I think about it... Nah. The Falcons need a major upgrade at the signal-caller position and a true leader in the locker room. Given the way Andre' Woodson has commanded his squad over the likes of LSU and Arkansas, GMs may become enthralled with his intangibles. It really hurts Brian Brohm that Louisville has underachieved this season. Plus, we've seen NFL coaches pass up on former collegiate players before, so this isn't a new phenomenon or anything.

New England Patriots: Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
I can't believe New England will go 19-0 and draft in the top five come next April. How ridiculous is that? Whom do the Patriots take up here? They don't really need anything, except for a cornerback if Asante Samuel leaves. But it's still too early to select any corner. The Patriots may decide to pick the best player available, which is easily Darren McFadden. If they're scoring 41 points per game right now, how sick are they going to be with McFadden and Laurence Maroney rotating at running back?

Oakland Raiders: DeSean Jackson, WR, California
Al Davis loves speed, and if DeSean Jackson runs a low 4.3 or even a 4.2, as expected, Davis won't be able to contain himself. If Jackson's available when the Raiders are on the clock, I could see Davis tossing his walker aside and running on stage to submit his selection as quickly as possible. How sick would the combination of JaMarcus Russell's arm strength and Jackson's speed be? That is, of course, if Russell ever gets on the field. I'm not sure why the Raiders are still sticking with Josh McCown and Daunte Culpepper. It's time to move on. How much preparation does Russell need exactly?

Minnesota Vikings: Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College
The Vikings have the worst offense in the NFL. They either forget to give the ball to Adrian Peterson or run him way too much. How about throwing him a screen pass, or something? Well, it doesn't help that their quarterbacks are horrible. Tarvaris Jackson has been a complete bust, Kelly Holcomb is nothing more than a career backup, while Brooks Bollinger probably wouldn't make any other roster at this point of his career. I'll go as far to say that Minnesota could really hurt itself by winning enough to place itself out of contention for Brian Brohm, Andre' Woodson or Matt Ryan, who is flying up draft boards.

Cincinnati Bengals: Calais Campbell, DE, Miami (who dey baby a pass rusher ):wub:
I considered James Laurinaitis here, but I don't think the Bengals could pass up someone of Calais Campbell's talent level. And it's not like they don't need a defensive end; as of Nov. 2, they have only one player who has more than one sack. Cincinnati's defense can't stop anyone, especially when it uses its 10-man formation. Drafting Campbell could be a start to repairing one of the league's worst stop units.

Houston Texans: Kenny Phillips, FS/SS, Miami
Jonathan Stewart is an option, but everything the Texans have done the past few years has been to beat the Colts. A safety of Kenny Phillips' caliber would help defend Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark.

Chicago Bears: Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville
Rex Grossman has finally been benched, and as I've predicted, Brian Griese isn't much better. The Bears will need to spend one of their first two picks in the 2008 Draft on a quarterback. I don't know if Chicago will be in position to select Brian Brohm by season's end, but things aren't looking too promising right now.

Arizona Cardinals: Derrick Harvey, DE/OLB, Florida
Someone to help the Cardinals transition into the 3-4. Well, Derrick Harvey is more than just a "someone;" Harvey collected 11 sacks in 2006, including two against Troy Smith in the BCS Championship. Harvey's regarded as a better prospect than Jarvis Moss, who went No. 17 in April's draft. And besides, both of Arizona's starting outside linebackers - Calvin Pace and Karlos Dansby - are unrestricted free agents after this season.

Buffalo Bills: Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma
I considered Sedrick Ellis here, but there are a bunch of cover-2 defensive tackles available in the second and third rounds of this draft. A wide receiver of Malcolm Kelly's talent will not be. Kelly, at 6-4, 217, is the perfect complement to the lightning-quick Lee Evans. Trent Edwards needs a better No. 2 receiver than Peerless Price and Josh Reed.

Philadelphia Eagles: Sam Baker, OT, USC
An image Eagles fans will always have in their minds is Winston Justice looking helpless as Osi Umenyiora beat him for a Giants' record six sacks. This is the future of Philadelphia's offensive line. With William Tra Thomas and Jon Runyan nearing retirement, the Eagles will need a new tackle to protect Kevin Kolb's blind side for the next decade.

Denver Broncos: James Laurinaitis, MLB, Ohio State
Pick a position, any position. The Broncos are ranked near the bottom in every defensive category, and need help everywhere. James Laurinaitis is easily the best defensive player available. By grabbing him, Denver will be able to move D.J. Williams back outside where he belongs.

Back to WalterFootball

Turk88

11-06-2007, 09:23 AM

OK, for those not familiar with OSU, James Laurinitis is a Junior and may come back to see if we can win baxk to back NC. If we do not win ths year than he will stay to try and win one.

warsteiner138

11-10-2007, 01:43 PM

I can not wait for these games to happen. I think after the Bengals win they probable be projected out at picking 11th.

WHO-DEY!

I can not root for my Bengals not to play well.

ThePekoSquad

11-10-2007, 06:00 PM

I agree that this is still too early to start calling the order of the NFL teams drafting much less the players drafted. And to top it off, as Warsteiner notes, some of the assigned picks don't fit the teams.

The Rams are more likely to win some games than the Fish. The Rams also have a Bengal-like situation with a lot of O Line injuries, cap strapping by offensive stars, and a young defense (that incidentally is now playing a 3-4, an untested and potentially bad fit for Dorsey).

Miami probably isn't going with a QB in a high pick again. They need so much help that they might be likely to trade down to get more picks. The kicker with them is that they are unpredictable on draft day, but they now need a lot of help on both sides of the ball with an aging D and an O that lacks punch.

Chris Long might be a good fit with the Jets. The bigger question, though, on this high of a pick at DE is how the All-Star game and testing process goes after the season. We remember last year when there were so many good DEs (none of which the Bengals drafted by the way). A lot of guys dropped as this process went on, and the process did show itself to be somewhat valid when looking at the production of players this year.

The Falcons, to whom everyone is already assigning Brian Brohm (due to his prior assocation with Bobby Petrino at Louisville), would take a lot of criticism if they were to take a second breakaway RB when they already have Jerious Norwood, who they are seriously underutilizing this season. McFadden is a superstud and reminds me a lot of Adrian Peterson, but it's still tougher to project a RB early for many reasons.

NE getting a top 5 pick is criminal. Will they take a DB? They look pretty good and young on O except for notable thinness in the backfield (maybe McFadden looks good in their O? -- that almost makes me sick already). On D they really need another LB as they are getting old with Bruschi and Seau leading the pack although they might not be able to afford Asante Samuel another season.

The Bengals being assigned a DT is a fashionable move every year. Unfortunately for us Cincy hasn't been inclined to draft a first round guy on the DL since their prior returns (Justin Smith, Big Daddy, Pete Koch, Glen Collins, Bill Kollar) have generally failed to yield the superstar one wants when paying these kind of $$.

Finally, the Draft Blitz people have Michigan OT Jake Long going to Oakland. While this may be a decent fit, the Raiders will take a long look for a speed WR to hook up with their #1 from last year JaMarcus Russell -- with Jerry Porter looking like a has-been and their other WRs lacking speed, Al Davis will be drooling to find the speedy receiver they have always coveted in their offensive schemes.

As a final part of my analysis, I want to look at where I think teams will finish the year instead of where they are now. Each team with 0, 1, 2, 3 or 4 wins so far this year is listed as such below:

0: Miami, St. Louis
1: NYJets
2: Atlanta, Cincinnati, Oakland, SF (NE has their first pick)
3: Chicago, Denver, Minnesota, Philadelphia
4: Baltimore, Buffalo, Carolina, Houston, KC, New Orleans, SD, Seattle

Looking at all of their schedules and projecting over/under numbers for each for the rest of the season, one roughly gets a list order as follows:

1. Miami
2. NY Jets
3. St. Louis
4. Oakland
5. San Francisco (to New England)
6. Atlanta
7. Cincinnati
8. Chicago
9. Houston
10. Philadelphia
11. Minnesota
12. Denver

I'll only comment that at #7 (along with regular picks from Rounds 1-6 as well as 3-4 Compensatory Picks), the Bengals might be in good shape next year if they package picks to find a few key guys to shore up holes and add depth. We lack stability (i.e., sure tackling) up the middle as well as speed off the edge. So I'd expect our first round pick to be a defensive player who can do one of the following:

1. Be a playmaking safety in the mold of Sean Taylor, Troy Polamalu or Bob Sanders
* although we currently are carrying six safeties on the roster, Madieu Williams will be a UFA after the season while Dexter Jackson has not lived up to the hype over his two seasons -- I wouldn't be surprised if one or both of these guys are gone next year. I believe Ndukwe is being groomed to take over at the SS spot while Busing will provide good backup at this same position. I don't think Marvin White has shown yet that he can fill in reliably for Madieu while Indiana Jones hasn't defined himself as more than a backup. With the dominant defenses in the league now all featuring a hard-tackling, free roaming playmaker at this position while the Bengals are lacking punch from the middle, I wouldn't be surprised to see us picking the #1 safety in the coming draft

2. Be an everpresent LB that is a bigger version of a guy like Landon Johnson
* our problem at LB is that we lack athleticism, luck and size. Over the past two seasons we've lost considerable or all time from players like Odell Thurman, David Pollack, Rashad Jeanty, Caleb Miller, Ahmad Brooks & Eric Henderson. We've brought in last second stop gaps in the form of Dhani Jones, Lemar Marshall and Anthony Schlegel -- all who were ignored by most of the rest of the league and all who started for us. We've played Landon Johnson and Caleb Miller each at every LB position when there was no hope for either guy to adequately fulfill assignments while giving away so much size to the men over whom they were lining up. The answers to these questions will determine how many LBs we select and when in the draft we pick them:

a. How will we respond to the UFA status of Caleb Miller and Landon Johnson?
b. What are the chances of Pollack and/or Thurman returning?
c. Can Jeanty, Brooks and/or Henderson stay healthy?
d. Which of the remaining guys (Lemar Marshall, Dhani Jones, Anthony Schlegel, Corey Mays, Kevis Coley) do we project to be keepers?
e. How much LB will Robert Geathers play next year and down the road?

There are so many unanswered questions here that it would be tough to pass on this year's version of Patrick Willis.

3. Be an overwhelming presence at DT
* Glenn Dorsey, Sedrick Ellis and Frank Okam all look good to a team that has no overwhelming presence at DT. However, the move from college to pro is so vast and varied that there always seems to be more disappointment than happiness when spending heavy currency on this position. And a big question for Marvin Lewis in looking at this position would be how well an early DT could play the 2 position for those times we are giving a 3-4 look. A big space eater who will play his role might also bring a lot of help to the LBs by keeping the OGs and OTs from chipping them on every other play.

4. Be a dominating DE against the pass
* This, of course, is the holy grail to most NFL defenses. Identifying a guy that has the athleticism to either run by a starting NFL LT or knock the same guy on his butt is a tough nut to crack. Mario Williams illustrates to us that even with these measureables in hand, it still takes time on the learning curve to translate potential to field output. If we're weighing DE against DT for the top pick, a lot of weight should (and hopefully would) be placed on the amount of 3-4 we hope to play. If we were to go to 3-4 as our base, we're already set at the DE spot (with a number of big DL who can handle the DE spot). If we're to stay with the 4-3 as our base, then we'll need a pass rusher to develop when Justin Smith leaves town after the season.

In the end I see us going with the "best player" playmaker at any defensive position other than CB.

Long time no see where have you been!

Once again, another phenominal post.

Bengal Dude

11-10-2007, 07:56 PM

I agree that this is still too early to start calling the order of the NFL teams drafting much less the players drafted. And to top it off, as Warsteiner notes, some of the assigned picks don't fit the teams.

The Rams are more likely to win some games than the Fish. The Rams also have a Bengal-like situation with a lot of O Line injuries, cap strapping by offensive stars, and a young defense (that incidentally is now playing a 3-4, an untested and potentially bad fit for Dorsey).

Miami probably isn't going with a QB in a high pick again. They need so much help that they might be likely to trade down to get more picks. The kicker with them is that they are unpredictable on draft day, but they now need a lot of help on both sides of the ball with an aging D and an O that lacks punch.

Chris Long might be a good fit with the Jets. The bigger question, though, on this high of a pick at DE is how the All-Star game and testing process goes after the season. We remember last year when there were so many good DEs (none of which the Bengals drafted by the way). A lot of guys dropped as this process went on, and the process did show itself to be somewhat valid when looking at the production of players this year.

The Falcons, to whom everyone is already assigning Brian Brohm (due to his prior assocation with Bobby Petrino at Louisville), would take a lot of criticism if they were to take a second breakaway RB when they already have Jerious Norwood, who they are seriously underutilizing this season. McFadden is a superstud and reminds me a lot of Adrian Peterson, but it's still tougher to project a RB early for many reasons.

NE getting a top 5 pick is criminal. Will they take a DB? They look pretty good and young on O except for notable thinness in the backfield (maybe McFadden looks good in their O? -- that almost makes me sick already). On D they really need another LB as they are getting old with Bruschi and Seau leading the pack although they might not be able to afford Asante Samuel another season.

The Bengals being assigned a DT is a fashionable move every year. Unfortunately for us Cincy hasn't been inclined to draft a first round guy on the DL since their prior returns (Justin Smith, Big Daddy, Pete Koch, Glen Collins, Bill Kollar) have generally failed to yield the superstar one wants when paying these kind of $$.

Finally, the Draft Blitz people have Michigan OT Jake Long going to Oakland. While this may be a decent fit, the Raiders will take a long look for a speed WR to hook up with their #1 from last year JaMarcus Russell -- with Jerry Porter looking like a has-been and their other WRs lacking speed, Al Davis will be drooling to find the speedy receiver they have always coveted in their offensive schemes.

As a final part of my analysis, I want to look at where I think teams will finish the year instead of where they are now. Each team with 0, 1, 2, 3 or 4 wins so far this year is listed as such below:

0: Miami, St. Louis
1: NYJets
2: Atlanta, Cincinnati, Oakland, SF (NE has their first pick)
3: Chicago, Denver, Minnesota, Philadelphia
4: Baltimore, Buffalo, Carolina, Houston, KC, New Orleans, SD, Seattle

Looking at all of their schedules and projecting over/under numbers for each for the rest of the season, one roughly gets a list order as follows:

1. Miami
2. NY Jets
3. St. Louis
4. Oakland
5. San Francisco (to New England)
6. Atlanta
7. Cincinnati
8. Chicago
9. Houston
10. Philadelphia
11. Minnesota
12. Denver

I'll only comment that at #7 (along with regular picks from Rounds 1-6 as well as 3-4 Compensatory Picks), the Bengals might be in good shape next year if they package picks to find a few key guys to shore up holes and add depth. We lack stability (i.e., sure tackling) up the middle as well as speed off the edge. So I'd expect our first round pick to be a defensive player who can do one of the following:

1. Be a playmaking safety in the mold of Sean Taylor, Troy Polamalu or Bob Sanders
* although we currently are carrying six safeties on the roster, Madieu Williams will be a UFA after the season while Dexter Jackson has not lived up to the hype over his two seasons -- I wouldn't be surprised if one or both of these guys are gone next year. I believe Ndukwe is being groomed to take over at the SS spot while Busing will provide good backup at this same position. I don't think Marvin White has shown yet that he can fill in reliably for Madieu while Indiana Jones hasn't defined himself as more than a backup. With the dominant defenses in the league now all featuring a hard-tackling, free roaming playmaker at this position while the Bengals are lacking punch from the middle, I wouldn't be surprised to see us picking the #1 safety in the coming draft

2. Be an everpresent LB that is a bigger version of a guy like Landon Johnson
* our problem at LB is that we lack athleticism, luck and size. Over the past two seasons we've lost considerable or all time from players like Odell Thurman, David Pollack, Rashad Jeanty, Caleb Miller, Ahmad Brooks & Eric Henderson. We've brought in last second stop gaps in the form of Dhani Jones, Lemar Marshall and Anthony Schlegel -- all who were ignored by most of the rest of the league and all who started for us. We've played Landon Johnson and Caleb Miller each at every LB position when there was no hope for either guy to adequately fulfill assignments while giving away so much size to the men over whom they were lining up. The answers to these questions will determine how many LBs we select and when in the draft we pick them:

a. How will we respond to the UFA status of Caleb Miller and Landon Johnson?
b. What are the chances of Pollack and/or Thurman returning?
c. Can Jeanty, Brooks and/or Henderson stay healthy?
d. Which of the remaining guys (Lemar Marshall, Dhani Jones, Anthony Schlegel, Corey Mays, Kevis Coley) do we project to be keepers?
e. How much LB will Robert Geathers play next year and down the road?

There are so many unanswered questions here that it would be tough to pass on this year's version of Patrick Willis.

3. Be an overwhelming presence at DT
* Glenn Dorsey, Sedrick Ellis and Frank Okam all look good to a team that has no overwhelming presence at DT. However, the move from college to pro is so vast and varied that there always seems to be more disappointment than happiness when spending heavy currency on this position. And a big question for Marvin Lewis in looking at this position would be how well an early DT could play the 2 position for those times we are giving a 3-4 look. A big space eater who will play his role might also bring a lot of help to the LBs by keeping the OGs and OTs from chipping them on every other play.

4. Be a dominating DE against the pass
* This, of course, is the holy grail to most NFL defenses. Identifying a guy that has the athleticism to either run by a starting NFL LT or knock the same guy on his butt is a tough nut to crack. Mario Williams illustrates to us that even with these measureables in hand, it still takes time on the learning curve to translate potential to field output. If we're weighing DE against DT for the top pick, a lot of weight should (and hopefully would) be placed on the amount of 3-4 we hope to play. If we were to go to 3-4 as our base, we're already set at the DE spot (with a number of big DL who can handle the DE spot). If we're to stay with the 4-3 as our base, then we'll need a pass rusher to develop when Justin Smith leaves town after the season.

In the end I see us going with the "best player" playmaker at any defensive position other than CB.

Can we please get this man as our GM or at least into our scouting department?

warsteiner138

11-11-2007, 10:16 PM

warsteiner138

11-11-2007, 10:27 PM

Here are the bottom teams of the league(for now); next week games.

St. Louis at San Fran
Steelers at Jets
TB at Falcons
Oakland at Vikings
Mia at Eagles
Cards at BENGALS

warsteiner138

11-11-2007, 10:53 PM

The one position the Bengals have off there board in the first round is of course QB(K, P).

I think all Bengals fans agree; Carson is the man.

What teams are looking for QB in the first round of the draft? Teams drafting QBs can only help the Bengals get that quality player the Bengals need to win.

Miami; most likely to be drafting first will be looking to trade down but probable will not be able to and draft a QB.

Sure they will deny it. But I do see them drafting a QB if they have the first pick.

Atlanta; they are going to draft a new QB and a new face for their organization. Harrington and Leftwich will not be there future.

Those are the 2 biggest QB lacking teams with bad records.

Jets do want to see Kelly Clemens.
Oak just got Russell.
San Fran. bit one with Alex Smith.
Rams just sign Marc Bulger to too much money; they would really hurt their cap space if they pay 2 QBs starter money.
The Bengals got Carson.

There is a wildcard named Derek Anderson. If the Browns let him get away or trade him.

Other teams that might take a QB first round.

Vikings are they going to stick with T. Jackson; maybe, maybe not.
Packers unlikely but maybe Favre retires and they do not trust whats his name Rodgers?
Ravens they going to try Boller again or make a move for young gun.
Jaguars are they sold Garrard; I think so
Carolina, I think Steve Smith is being wasted.
Washington I think J. Campbell is safe as long as Gibbs is there.
Chicago, What you don't know? I think they will draft a RB first maybe?
Detroit, maybe groom a Kitna replacement I never undrstand M.M.

All for now; WHO-DEY!

Bishop

11-14-2007, 12:33 PM

2. Dolphins- Brian Brohm QB UL

Brian Brohm WILL NOT go in the top 10.