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1whodeybrew
09-03-2010, 04:20 PM
Surprised nobody talked about it but Sims was freaking bad to the bone at DE last night. He made a sick double move getting around his blocker for a sack last night...I couldn't believe it. You talk about a good DE in a 3-4 defense. He was bringing it.

Great job Pat !

PowerO
09-03-2010, 04:24 PM
Yeah he did great I was really surprised, but I couldn't stop laughing when he made that double move because the dude is so big it looked like he was moving in slow motion!

The Bengal Thing
09-03-2010, 04:26 PM
Surprised nobody talked about it but Sims was freaking bad to the bone at DE last night. He made a sick double move getting around his blocker for a sack last night...I couldn't believe it. You talk about a good DE in a 3-4 defense. He was bringing it.

Great job Pat !

DUDE!!!

That fake spin "stop and go" was OFF THE HOOK.

I def noticed him as well...

XenoMorph
09-03-2010, 04:27 PM
Pat sims and Clinton mcdonald are monsters to bad we cant keep them both hopefully we can hide mcdonald on the PS one more year

I have little doublt mcdonald would have made this squad if Atkins wasnt destroying everything in his way

cinc4ever1
09-03-2010, 04:53 PM
Surprised nobody talked about it but Sims was freaking bad to the bone at DE last night. He made a sick double move getting around his blocker for a sack last night...I couldn't believe it. You talk about a good DE in a 3-4 defense. He was bringing it.

Great job Pat !


I loved it.He is showing that he can play DE in our 3-4 sets.

Poncho
09-03-2010, 05:04 PM
He played his heart out last night. I don't think he could be as successful against real OL but he's improving all the time.

You can't go wrong when a decent player improves his game. It's not a bad thing!

BengalzHacker
09-03-2010, 05:15 PM
Sims was a guy who needed a big game and he delivered. We're going to make some hard bad cuts. Quality people are going to be on the street for a minute or two before getting snatched up by others, I'm afraid.

XenoMorph
09-03-2010, 05:18 PM
Sims was a guy who needed a big game and he delivered. We're going to make some hard bad cuts. Quality people are going to be on the street for a minute or two before getting snatched up by others, I'm afraid.

yeah its sad when your the team cutting talent i can remember a while ago (2008) when we had to wait for some of our players cause other teams hadnt cut them yet.. now the tables have turn... and sense they had that articale last year talking about how we were one of very few team to actually develope players on our PS we will be watched.

gardner30
09-03-2010, 05:18 PM
Pat was very impressive. Can he do it against starting NFL tackles instead of 3rd string slappies? I would like to see him get that opportunity.

fredtoast
09-03-2010, 05:23 PM
I watched Sims a good bit in college, and I thought he was a steal in the third round. However after last season I was a little disappointed in his development. I had him figured to certainly be a starter by his third season.

I didn't see him play last night, but it is good to here that he is stepping up his game. In college he looked extremely quick for a man his size. His play was somewhat inconsistent, but he dominated the bowl game against Clemson (?) his last year.

eliminate08
09-03-2010, 05:27 PM
Surprised nobody talked about it but Sims was freaking bad to the bone at DE last night. He made a sick double move getting around his blocker for a sack last night...I couldn't believe it. You talk about a good DE in a 3-4 defense. He was bringing it.

Great job Pat !

Yeah, he looked like a beast.:tiger:

OSUfan
09-03-2010, 05:31 PM
Surprised nobody talked about it but Sims was freaking bad to the bone at DE last night. He made a sick double move getting around his blocker for a sack last night...I couldn't believe it. You talk about a good DE in a 3-4 defense. He was bringing it.

Great job Pat !

In my opinion, Sims has shown himself very well in the entire preseason. It seems to be much more active and even alittle quicker.

BengalzHacker
09-03-2010, 05:37 PM
yeah its sad when your the team cutting talent i can remember a while ago (2008) when we had to wait for some of our players cause other teams hadnt cut them yet.. now the tables have turn... and sense they had that articale last year talking about how we were one of very few team to actually develope players on our PS we will be watched.

I think it's awesome that we're no longer really in need of waiting for other people's bread crumbs. We're the team producing the crumbs others want. NICE! :denny:

jdmac4
09-03-2010, 05:38 PM
On running downs a line of Sims, Peko, Tank and Odom with MJ, Rey and Rivers backing them up would be down right scary. I love it.

bfine32
09-03-2010, 05:41 PM
I'll admit, I have been down on Sims due to what I preceived as lack of versitility. I was wrong. Pat looked good bringing pressure from the ouside last night.

OKBuckeye
09-03-2010, 05:44 PM
Sims was a guy who needed a big game and he delivered. We're going to make some hard bad cuts. Quality people are going to be on the street for a minute or two before getting snatched up by others, I'm afraid.
Yep... and we may be looking at them across the scrimmage line from us in regular season games.

Slappy from New Haven
09-03-2010, 06:33 PM
DUDE!!!

That fake spin "stop and go" was OFF THE HOOK.

I def noticed him as well...

Yeah that move was pretty effing sick!

330to614
09-03-2010, 06:51 PM
Reminded me of some of the energy he had as a rookie. I would love to see a line with Sims and Fanene on the ends with Taz and Tank in the middle. I like Odom more inside as well.

OSUfan
09-03-2010, 11:07 PM
Reminded me of some of the energy he had as a rookie. I would love to see a line with Sims and Fanene on the ends with Taz and Tank in the middle. I like Odom more inside as well.

While Sims showed somethings I do not think I am ready to annoint him a DE. No way would he be better on either end then Odom and Fanene or Odom and Dunlap or Odom and MJ for that matter. He showed somethings in a brief stint there, but he is a DT all the way.

SHRacerX
09-04-2010, 12:10 AM
Surprised nobody talked about it but Sims was freaking bad to the bone at DE last night. He made a sick double move getting around his blocker for a sack last night...I couldn't believe it. You talk about a good DE in a 3-4 defense. He was bringing it.

Great job Pat !

Interesting you mention him as a 3-4 DE. He really fits that mold better than DT in a 4-3. If the Bengals run 3-4 variations in passing downs, it could looks something like this:


DUNLAP - PEKO - SIMS


RIVERS - D. JONES - MAUALUGA - M. JOHNSON



Sounds downright beastly. Think how strong Odom and Geathers would be not playing every down. Geathers got his 10 sack season as a 3rd down specialist.

Interesting. Without a doubt, all of these guys are going to contribute this year in a rotation. If they take turns making big plays, it could be a VERY long year for opposing offenses.

SHRacerX
09-04-2010, 12:15 AM
While Sims showed somethings I do not think I am ready to annoint him a DE. No way would he be better on either end then Odom and Fanene or Odom and Dunlap or Odom and MJ for that matter. He showed somethings in a brief stint there, but he is a DT all the way.

Actually, the Bengals had a pretty stout D line a few years ago when a very fat Sam Adams teamed at DT with Pedo and they slipped another DT out as DE for some short yardage and early run downs. From what I remember, it was pretty effective.

I wouldnt mind seeing a Dline in a 4-3 set with Dunlap, Peko, Tank, and Sims. That line goes 290, 330, 310, 310. Thats beefy.

Bryan
09-04-2010, 05:17 AM
Pat Sims as a 3-4 DE? That is interesting.. But I would have to think he would be a better Nose Tackle with Fanene and Tank as the DE's in our base 3-4 the line backers IMO would be Mike Johnson/Carlos Dunlap (Left Outside Line Backer) Rey Maualuga (Left Inside Linebacker) Keith Rivers (Right Inside Line Backer) and Robert Geathers/Antwan Odom(Right Outside Line Backer) I say Geathers because he has experience doing this. A couple of years ago before Zim was the defensive coordinator Robbie played all over the place.

yellowxdiscipline
09-04-2010, 07:16 AM
I like me some Pat Sims, solid against the run and proving he can be a factor against the pass. He is a great talent to have as a rotational player.

OSUfan
09-04-2010, 08:43 AM
Actually, the Bengals had a pretty stout D line a few years ago when a very fat Sam Adams teamed at DT with Pedo and they slipped another DT out as DE for some short yardage and early run downs. From what I remember, it was pretty effective.

I wouldnt mind seeing a Dline in a 4-3 set with Dunlap, Peko, Tank, and Sims. That line goes 290, 330, 310, 310. Thats beefy.

That DT playing in that line was Thornton and he was really an undersized DT.

hairdo
09-04-2010, 09:31 AM
On running downs a line of Sims, Peko, Tank and Odom with MJ, Rey and Rivers backing them up would be down right scary. I love it.

you guys are nuts ,, PEKO average at best . when he makes a tackle it's after a 3 yrd gain watch him he gets stood up with back arched and then can reach out with 1 arm to help stop runner if he runs close to him ,, sorry i just don't see him as a elete dt tackle , like to see thread on peko pro's and cons .. ++ hairs to damm long ,, butts to damm big..

Slappy from New Haven
09-04-2010, 10:09 AM
you guys are nuts ,, PEKO average at best . when he makes a tackle it's after a 3 yrd gain watch him he gets stood up with back arched and then can reach out with 1 arm to help stop runner if he runs close to him ,, sorry i just don't see him as a elete dt tackle , like to see thread on peko pro's and cons .. ++ hairs to damm long ,, butts to damm big..

I will politely disagree with your assesment

OSUfan
09-04-2010, 11:14 AM
you guys are nuts ,, PEKO average at best . when he makes a tackle it's after a 3 yrd gain watch him he gets stood up with back arched and then can reach out with 1 arm to help stop runner if he runs close to him ,, sorry i just don't see him as a elete dt tackle , like to see thread on peko pro's and cons .. ++ hairs to damm long ,, butts to damm big..

Sorry, but disagree as well. If this is your evaluation of Peko's abilities then I must add you to the list of those I am happy are not making the personel decisions for this franchise.

Shere Khan
09-04-2010, 12:05 PM
I watched Sims a good bit in college, and I thought he was a steal in the third round. However after last season I was a little disappointed in his development. I had him figured to certainly be a starter by his third season.

I didn't see him play last night, but it is good to here that he is stepping up his game. In college he looked extremely quick for a man his size. His play was somewhat inconsistent, but he dominated the bowl game against Clemson (?) his last year.

Am I the only one who thinks being a 'starter' is just semantics in this defense?

I mean, with Peko, Sims, Tank Johnson and Atkins, I'm sure there's gonna be a whole lot of rotation there.

StripedCrusader
09-04-2010, 12:23 PM
I don't mean to throw wet leaves on this raging fire, but what IF our O manages to control the LOS most of the season and we keep Ced busy chewing up clock time and our high fallutent receivers getting those precious 1st downs left and right then our D rotation will always be fresh and not all worn down like in years past.
There was a time when other teams coud run the ball almost at will against us (the bus anyone?) and now almost nobody can run against us, but our real weakness on D is the passing game and that is what very well might be our undoing this season.
We have the run wrapped up tight as a drum which is a good thing, but when we face guys like Manning and that unknown guy from New Orleans then the story changes DRASTICALLY. :eek:
So the question really needs to shift to pass rush and coverage doncha think?:nervous:

Truck_1_0_1_
09-04-2010, 12:25 PM
I don't mean to throw wet leaves on this raging fire, but what IF our O manages to control the LOS most of the season and we keep Ced busy chewing up clock time and our high fallutent receivers getting those precious 1st downs left and right then our D rotation will always be fresh and not all worn down like in years past.
There was a time when other teams coud run the ball almost at will against us (the bus anyone?) and now almost nobody can run against us, but our real weakness on D is the passing game and that is what very well might be our undoing this season.
We have the run wrapped up tight as a drum which is a good thing, but when we face guys like Manning and that unknown guy from New Orleans then the story changes DRASTICALLY. :eek:
So the question really needs to shift to pass rush and coverage doncha think?:nervous:
What?

Are you nuts?

Pass D a weakness? WITH HALL AND JOSEPH AS CORNERS?!?!??!

Wow...

M.W.
09-04-2010, 12:40 PM
What?

Are you nuts?

Pass D a weakness? WITH HALL AND JOSEPH AS CORNERS?!?!??!

Wow...

Those two and Adam Jones. The pass D is not weak.

shibbz
09-04-2010, 01:33 PM
Those two and Adam Jones. The pass D is not weak.

Well the pass D has been exploited all pre season. That said, it is pre season. I'll wait a few games for my judgement but it's hard to deny the pass D has been pretty weak thus far.

StripedCrusader
09-04-2010, 01:46 PM
I'm not saying pass coverage is weak, but in the D scheme it is the weak point. Why was everyoe begging for a good cover safety all off season? Why did Zimmer harp on them about coverage so much because they're great all around? hardly.. Take off the rose colored glasses and look at the real weak spots instead of what you only want it to be like.

lb3
09-04-2010, 02:07 PM
I don't mean to throw wet leaves on this raging fire, but what IF our O manages to control the LOS most of the season and we keep Ced busy chewing up clock time and our high fallutent receivers getting those precious 1st downs left and right then our D rotation will always be fresh and not all worn down like in years past.
There was a time when other teams coud run the ball almost at will against us (the bus anyone?) and now almost nobody can run against us, but our real weakness on D is the passing game and that is what very well might be our undoing this season.
We have the run wrapped up tight as a drum which is a good thing, but when we face guys like Manning and that unknown guy from New Orleans then the story changes DRASTICALLY. :eek:
So the question really needs to shift to pass rush and coverage doncha think?:nervous:

I hope that there will be several times this year where the D will be called upon heavily, like multiple big plays from our talented deep-threat-on-every-play offense. TO has been beating people deep every now and then. The coverage for Gresham's TD was broken. I think our offense is looking really good, and it's the quick strike kind of good. Our weakness at FB means that our best matchups occur in a 3-reciever, 1-TE set. Gresham, Shipley, TO, OC and any of Benson, Scott, Leonard or even Peerman (Preseason yadayada third string somethingsomething meaningless whatever, but we saw a routine running play turn into a 93-yard slap in the face to somebody that's not us.). You can swap Kelly for Shipley or Gresham and upgrade your run or pass blocking while still credibly maintaining a passing threat. That matchup can break a defense, even if you are trying to run out the clock... and we'll agree that a 15-second 1 play TD drive is not a bad thing; ToP advantage does not trump a scoring advantage.

That being said, our D-line (included) has to deliver on the passing defense. Best case scenario is that our offense is chewing up the clock milking a lead... which wears their defense out and exacerbates the matchup problems resulting in a quick strike after a handful of plays. Every down is suddenly 3rd and long and our depth at corner (especially nickleback and even dimeback) and deep D-line rotation really come into play.

I agree that our run d is solid. I'm really hoping that our pass rush can dial it up this year and disrupt the other teams' offenses. I think that an Adam Jones interception on a broken, ill-advised-under-pressure pass would look a lot like an Adam Jones punt or kick return, but with 2 second head start for Jones. I expect a high percentage of the picks he gets to result in big YAC and pick sixes.

Same goes if something goes wrong and we are behind big. Our ability to shut down a series and prevent big strikes is going to be key. I think we're going to see a lot more scoring this year from the offense. We'll see how it turns out, but so far the first team has looked better and better. We'll see how we hold up when the game-planning comes into play. Game 1 is against a very good, possibly the best, game planner with a gimped out secondary. I'm going way out on a limb and saying that our situational pass offense and defense will be the deciding factors in the game where some big points are going to be scored, with both teams swinging for the fences.

Everyone better work on their conditioning. It's gonna be a long, fast season.

fredtoast
08-05-2011, 02:54 PM
Bumped from last year to remind everyone how important Sims can be to our defense.

McC
08-05-2011, 03:07 PM
you guys are nuts ,, PEKO average at best . when he makes a tackle it's after a 3 yrd gain watch him he gets stood up with back arched and then can reach out with 1 arm to help stop runner if he runs close to him ,, sorry i just don't see him as a elete dt tackle , like to see thread on peko pro's and cons .. ++ hairs to damm long ,, butts to damm big..

Actually, I think a big butt is practically a necessity for a DT.

McC
08-05-2011, 03:10 PM
Am I the only one who thinks being a 'starter' is just semantics in this defense?

I mean, with Peko, Sims, Tank Johnson and Atkins, I'm sure there's gonna be a whole lot of rotation there.

You're not the only one. I agree 100%. Those guys get rotated like no other position.

OSUfan
08-05-2011, 03:11 PM
Pat sims and Clinton mcdonald are monsters to bad we cant keep them both hopefully we can hide mcdonald on the PS one more year

I have little doublt mcdonald would have made this squad if Atkins wasnt destroying everything in his way

? Why can't we keep them both? I would much rather see the team keep the young McDonald on the roster than I would Tank Johnson. Tank just has not shown me enough to have a roster spot since he has been here.

WhoDey90
08-05-2011, 03:14 PM
? Why can't we keep them both? I would much rather see the team keep the young McDonald on the roster than I would Tank Johnson. Tank just has not shown me enough to have a roster spot since he has been here.

Agreed.