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Marvin & Carson Is Gone Next Year & We draft Andrew Luck

[Buckeyehitman]

Marvin & Carson Is Gone Next Year & We draft Andrew Luck

Draft forum please.

I'm all for Marvin leaving, still not sure replacing Carson in the first round is the way to go.

[Bryan]

Draft forum please.

I'm all for Marvin leaving, still not sure replacing Carson in the first round is the way to go.
It's not. If he can't succeed with a decent coaching staff then it's time to replace him.

[Dabo614]

Draft forum please.

I'm all for Marvin leaving, still not sure replacing Carson in the first round is the way to go.


From what im hearing about Luck, we would be stupid to pass this up. And it doesnt mean replace,,,Luck needs to sit a year behind carson, and allow more time to shore up the line and the defense. People complained about carson not having weapons, and now he has 4-5 good ones, and still looks terrible, dude is washed up, he will never be better than average, time to get a rare one in the draft cause its obvious we will be picking in the top 3

[Mattro Bus]

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[JoePong]

Draft forum please.

I'm all for Marvin leaving, still not sure replacing Carson in the first round is the way to go.

Yeah, it would be a much better idea to replace him in the 6th or 7th round, right?

How well have all those late round QBs worked out for us? They never even amounted to decent backups.

[Buckeyehitman]

It's not. If he can't succeed with a decent coaching staff then it's time to replace him.

Absolutely agree. However I think we owe it to him to see if it's him or the scheme.

From what im hearing about Luck, we would be stupid to pass this up. And it doesnt mean replace,,,Luck needs to sit a year behind carson, and allow more time to shore up the line and the defense. People complained about carson not having weapons, and now he has 4-5 good ones, and still looks terrible, dude is washed up, he will never be better than average, time to get a rare one in the draft cause its obvious we will be picking in the top 3

I don't know, I just don't like the idea of putting that much money into one position when only one player from that position can be on the field.

This isn't the Redskins or Cowboys, this is Mike Brown we're talking about here. If you put that money in one position you are sacrificing it from another. We need all the help we can get and Luck doesn't help this team win in immediately.

Yeah, it would be a much better idea to replace him in the 6th or 7th round, right?

How well have all those late round QBs worked out for us? They never even amounted to decent backups.

Cute, but I never said that. I said I didn't want one first round. It's a deep class, we need to take advantage of it. Check around, I'm pushing for Mallett in the 2nd. I think it still gives us a heir apparent for Carson and a game changer to start immediately from the first round.

[Bengal Dude]

Marvin & Carson Is Gone Next Year & We draft Andrew Luck

What happens if Luck is gone?

[bfine32]

What happens if Luck is gone?

To who?

[Dabo614]

Absolutely agree. However I think we owe it to him to see if it's him or the scheme.



I don't know, I just don't like the idea of putting that much money into one position when only one player from that position can be on the field.

This isn't the Redskins or Cowboys, this is Mike Brown we're talking about here. If you put that money in one position you are sacrificing it from another. We need all the help we can get and Luck doesn't help this team win in immediately.



Cute, but I never said that. I said I didn't want one first round. It's a deep class, we need to take advantage of it. Check around, I'm pushing for Mallett in the 2nd. I think it still gives us a heir apparent for Carson and a game changer to start immediately from the first round.


Umm didnt mike brown already do that with carson?? (lots of money in one position) i dont mind it provided the position is ACTUALLY EARNING IT. He already has 15 picks this year, with 5 more games to go, so its safe to say hes going to wind up with at least 20 picks on the season. That is unacceptable for a QB making the money he does, especially after the team went out and made its 1st priority this year surrounding carson with these weapons he needed.

[Bengal Dude]

To who?

Carolina. Fox is most likely out after this year and the new coach may not see Clausen as his franchise QB.

[Jeffalo]

Umm didnt mike brown already do that with carson?? (lots of money in one position) i dont mind it provided the position is ACTUALLY EARNING IT. He already has 15 picks this year, with 5 more games to go, so its safe to say hes going to wind up with at least 20 picks on the season. That is unacceptable for a QB making the money he does, especially after the team went out and made its 1st priority this year surrounding carson with these weapons he needed.



he is having a brett favre like year

[Abspara]

, I just don't like the idea of putting that much money into one position when only one player from that position can be on the field.

Did you know Carson Palmer is getting $118 million dollars in his contract?

[Abspara]

What happens if Luck is gone?

Doubtful with the way we are playing. I'd not be surprised if this team finishes with the worst record in the NFL.

Carolina and Detroit still play teams they have a competitive chance of beating. We don't. You honestly think we have a chance of winning against the Saints, Steelers, Ravens, Chargers, or Browns? We couldn't even beat the Bills....

[Buckeyehitman]

Umm didnt mike brown already do that with carson?? (lots of money in one position) i dont mind it provided the position is ACTUALLY EARNING IT. He already has 15 picks this year, with 5 more games to go, so its safe to say hes going to wind up with at least 20 picks on the season. That is unacceptable for a QB making the money he does, especially after the team went out and made its 1st priority this year surrounding carson with these weapons he needed.

If the argument is that Carson is kept next year AND we draft Luck, then it's a dumb move. You're already paying Carson that big time money and you want to take on Lucks top 5 contract in addition to it?

Why do that? Why not draft a guy in the 2nd round (about a million a year, including bonuses) and let him learn behind Carson for a year or two. If Carson can't cut it with the new staff then you move on.

However what happens if Carson leaves this organization, we get NOTHING for him and then pulls a Drew Brees somewhere else (Minnesota perhaps).

You exhaust every opportunity to keep Carson. We have not changed the staff yet, he's played with one scheme his whole career and his offensive line has regressed. Fix those things, draft a possible replacement in round 2 or 3 and if he continues to struggle then you have your solution.

Did you know Carson Palmer is getting $118 million dollars in his contract?

Yeah. How does that decrease when you take on Andrew Luck's contract?

[beechball_45424]

Somehow people keep forgetting that Mike Brown owns the Bengals. WWMBD? What would Mike Brown do? Mike will not cut or trade Carson for the simple fact that Mike thinks he is always right. He is not going to cut/trade Palmer after giving him a huge sum of money just to do the same thing for a top 3 QB pick. Get real. Palmer is here until 2014 so deal with it.

[Bengal Dude]

Doubtful with the way we are playing. I'd not be surprised if this team finishes with the worst record in the NFL.

Carolina and Detroit still play teams they have a competitive chance of beating. We don't. You honestly think we have a chance of winning against the Saints, Steelers, Ravens, Chargers, or Browns? We couldn't even beat the Bills....

I don't think we really have a chance, but Carolina is worse. I don't really see them winning any more games.

[Dabo614]

If the argument is that Carson is kept next year AND we draft Luck, then it's a dumb move. You're already paying Carson that big time money and you want to take on Lucks top 5 contract in addition to it?

Why do that? Why not draft a guy in the 2nd round (about a million a year, including bonuses) and let him learn behind Carson for a year or two. If Carson can't cut it with the new staff then you move on.

However what happens if Carson leaves this organization, we get NOTHING for him and then pulls a Drew Brees somewhere else (Minnesota perhaps).

You exhaust every opportunity to keep Carson. We have not changed the staff yet, he's played with one scheme his whole career and his offensive line has regressed. Fix those things, draft a possible replacement in round 2 or 3 and if he continues to struggle then you have your solution.



Yeah. How does that decrease when you take on Andrew Luck's contract?


Like i said, from what i hear about luck, we would be stupid to pass on that, and try for a 2nd or 3rd round QB, its only for a year, maybe two, then dump palmer, but if they draft luck and dump palmer right away then they had damn sure better do something with that line, cause we all know what happens to rookie QBs who get thrown out there to quick and dont have a good line to protect them (it usually ruins their careers)

[bfine32]

If the argument is that Carson is kept next year AND we draft Luck, then it's a dumb move. You're already paying Carson that big time money and you want to take on Lucks top 5 contract in addition to it?



Anybody we draft with a top 5 pick is going to get paid a top 5 contract.

WTS I have reservations about going with Luck, but if we do I don't see how it hurts us financially. It could actually help in 2012 or 13 if he proves worthy and we can move CP9. Ofcourse being Captian Obvious our best move would be to trade out with a team like Oakland, Minnesota, or Washington, but the chances of that happening are very slim.

[Buckeyehitman]

Like i said, from what i hear about luck, we would be stupid to pass on that, and try for a 2nd or 3rd round QB, its only for a year, maybe two, then dump palmer, but if they draft luck and dump palmer right away then they had damn sure better do something with that line, cause we all know what happens to rookie QBs who get thrown out there to quick and dont have a good line to protect them (it usually ruins their careers)

Yeah, but if you're argument is that there is too much money tied up in Carson Palmer, how does that change by taking on Luck's contract?

Furthermore, as I said, if you take money for one position, you're taking it FROM another position. No way that Mike Brown pays 2 marquee QBs and still looks for a WR, OLine or DLine in FA.

You're mortgaging the present for the future. Granted that's better than the reverse, but with my plan, you are helping both.

[Buckeyehitman]

Anybody we draft with a top 5 pick is going to get paid a top 5 contract.

WTS I have reservations about going with Luck, but if we do I don't see how it hurts us financially. It could actually help in 2012 or 13 if he proves worthy and we can move CP9. Ofcourse being Captian Obvious our best move would be to trade out with a team like Oakland, Minnesota, or Washington, but the chances of that happening are very slim.

I understand what you're saying, but if we take someone besides a QB, they can play and earn their money right away.

If you draft a QB that high and keep Carson that is dead money that is of no use.

[StripedCrusader]

This has been by far Palmer's worse season as far as interceptions go, but he's also racked up a ton of passing yards so one season does NOT an entire career make. Ironically he has more passing yards this season than Brady so calling him washed up is plain silly and stupid. I still contend at LEAST 20 NFL teams would make Palmer their starter IMMEDIATELY if he were traded to them and on most of those he would likely succeed well beyond anything he's ever come close to in Cincinnati.
They've taken his brains out of the game for him along with every other player and they allow Brat and Marvin to call every single shot. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn he's told exactly who to throw to on every play during the plays by Brat although that may be a stretch, but not by much.
Already several Bengals have openly stated that coaches simply do not listen to anything players have to say meaning you could bring ANYONE in as QB and get almost the same exact results.
Andrew Luck would have no luck in stripes so why waste another promising young QB on this bunch of know-it-all coaches? They brought in one of the most experienced and competent WR's in the history of the game and do they listen to a word he says? No.. TO might be a loud mouth at times, but the guy knows how to play the game. Bengal coaches would only ruin Andrew Luck and make him into one of the unluckiest players to ever play in the NFL just the way they did to Carson Palmer. They might as well have brought in Jamarcus Russel, but the raiders beat us to that.

[Headless Horseman]

It's not. If he can't succeed with a decent coaching staff then it's time to replace him.

It IS. Look, you take your QB of the future when you can get him. If we have an opportunity at the best QB candidate in the last 3 years we need to jump on it, irregardless of ones nostalgia over 2005.