Brady Quinn holdout....i love it!!!

[Joe from Florence]

The more and more i read about Brady Quinn holding out, the more i laugh at this guy, he's a joke.
His claim to fame is being known to choke in big games all through college......I love how he as a pre season pick for many to be the heisman trophy winner the last 2 years....then come the time for the award to be awarded and he wasn't anyone's pick.
It got me thinking.....did anyone watch the mini camps televised on NFL Network? I watched several of the teams when they aired, one of them I watched was the Browns.....if anyone else watched the Browns mini camp they saw the same thing I saw, Brady Quinn was horrible....the worst of the 3 qb's. the only pass he could complete were passes to the RB in the flat. Anytime he had to go down field it was either picked off or not close to the reciever.
So this got me thinking today about his holdout......maybe he realizes he's the #3 qb on that team, the other two are better and this may be his one chance of a big pay day. Ala Ryan Leaf.
So maybe he's not as stupid as we think he is, maybe he realizes he isn't as good as people told him he was and if he settles for a #22 draft pick contract he will never see the big bucks he thinks he should of got.

[Jom112]

It's a good theory but I don't think that's the case. From what I've been reading recently the only holdup left in the Quinn signings are how much he's going to get in years 4 and 5. He has already conceded that since he was drafted #22 he won't get as much as he wants in the first three years of his rookie contract.
If he knows he's going to **** it up then he should be more worried about how much money he can get in the first three seasons rather than the last two...

[Steely_J]

The more and more i read about Brady Quinn holding out, the more i laugh at this guy, he's a joke.
His claim to fame is being known to choke in big games all through college......I love how he as a pre season pick for many to be the heisman trophy winner the last 2 years....then come the time for the award to be awarded and he wasn't anyone's pick.
It got me thinking.....did anyone watch the mini camps televised on NFL Network? I watched several of the teams when they aired, one of them I watched was the Browns.....if anyone else watched the Browns mini camp they saw the same thing I saw, Brady Quinn was horrible....the worst of the 3 qb's. the only pass he could complete were passes to the RB in the flat. Anytime he had to go down field it was either picked off or not close to the reciever.
So this got me thinking today about his holdout......maybe he realizes he's the #3 qb on that team, the other two are better and this may be his one chance of a big pay day. Ala Ryan Leaf.
So maybe he's not as stupid as we think he is, maybe he realizes he isn't as good as people told him he was and if he settles for a #22 draft pick contract he will never see the big bucks he thinks he should of got.


Hahaha...


Well you know Joe... he DID go from High School, to College,.. back to HighSchool again. So maybe he thinks he can demand more money.

[Bmoreblitz]

I can't wait for that bum to suit up against the Ravens D. If he doesn't get the big payday he's looking for, I doubt the Browns play him this year.
DPET of DEFENSE
AFCN Champs!!

[DaveBauer34]

He's getting some very bad advice from some very stupid people.

[calell83]

he is OVER RATED . . . ..

[Long Time Bengal Fan]

If I were him I would hold out too! I mean, wouldn't you want to wait and see if their line is going to be able to protect you BEFORE you stepped on the field?
If the past is any indication, whoever is under center will be spending more time on their back than a than a man with two broken legs. [:)]

[Buckeyehitman]

If I were him I would hold out too! I mean, wouldn't you want to wait and see if their line is going to be able to protect you BEFORE you stepped on the field?
If the past is any indication, whoever is under center will be spending more time on their back than a than a man with two broken legs. [:)]

Normally that sounds like common sense. However in the world of competitve sports, you never want to holdout because someone could take off and make your wait longer (see Phillip Rivers). If Derek Anderson or Charlie Frye prove to be at least competent behind a good offensive line, then what do you do with Brady Quinn? If I were Quinn I'd get in camp on time and prove that I was worth giving up the first pick next year.

[Long Time Bengal Fan]

If I were him I would hold out too! I mean, wouldn't you want to wait and see if their line is going to be able to protect you BEFORE you stepped on the field?
If the past is any indication, whoever is under center will be spending more time on their back than a than a man with two broken legs. [:)]

Normally that sounds like common sense. However in the world of competitve sports, you never want to holdout because someone could take off and make your wait longer (see Phillip Rivers). If Derek Anderson or Charlie Frye prove to be at least competent behind a good offensive line, then what do you do with Brady Quinn? If I were Quinn I'd get in camp on time and prove that I was worth giving up the first pick next year.

Ever heard of humor?
How about sarcasm?
[:D]

[calell83]

If I were him I would hold out too! I mean, wouldn't you want to wait and see if their line is going to be able to protect you BEFORE you stepped on the field?
If the past is any indication, whoever is under center will be spending more time on their back than a than a man with two broken legs. [:)]

Normally that sounds like common sense. However in the world of competitve sports, you never want to holdout because someone could take off and make your wait longer (see Phillip Rivers). If Derek Anderson or Charlie Frye prove to be at least competent behind a good offensive line, then what do you do with Brady Quinn? If I were Quinn I'd get in camp on time and prove that I was worth giving up the first pick next year.

Ever heard of humor?
How about sarcasm?
[:D]



No and No....

[Long Time Bengal Fan]

If I were him I would hold out too! I mean, wouldn't you want to wait and see if their line is going to be able to protect you BEFORE you stepped on the field?
If the past is any indication, whoever is under center will be spending more time on their back than a than a man with two broken legs. [:)]

Normally that sounds like common sense. However in the world of competitve sports, you never want to holdout because someone could take off and make your wait longer (see Phillip Rivers). If Derek Anderson or Charlie Frye prove to be at least competent behind a good offensive line, then what do you do with Brady Quinn? If I were Quinn I'd get in camp on time and prove that I was worth giving up the first pick next year.

Ever heard of humor?
How about sarcasm?
[:D]



No and No....

I'd expect that answer from a Steeler fan!
DOH!

[emfwhodey]

BUST....the next joey harrington

[BengalsOwnU]

I don't see him being an impact QB like he thinks he will be.. He wants the big money that a top 5 pick would want. He's just mad that he feel that far..

[Whatever]

If I was Quinn,and got drafted by the Browns,I'd hold out for every penny I could get. The way the Browns go through QB's,this will probably be his only NFL contract,or at least the only one in which he'll be earning 7 digits a year.

[calell83]

If I was Quinn,and got drafted by the Browns,I'd hold out for every penny I could get. The way the Browns go through QB's,this will probably be his only NFL contract,or at least the only one in which he'll be earning 7 digits a year.
Maybe, but Tim Couch just signed another contract so anythign is possible...which leads me to another question...How bad does Jax think Gerrard and Leftwich are

[doctorhook18]

Give the guy 3 years and I think he will be shreading that Bengal Defense. Especially if he can play with a chip on his shoulder. The question is whether or not that poor excuse for a head coach and organization can develop him???

I don't blame any of these guys holding out. Couple summers ago David Pollack took alot of heat from people here in Cincinnati holding out. Now look at him......turned out to be a wise decision. You just never know. (Yes I know he is playing QB and the league won't let anyone hit him!)

[SmallAxe]

BUST....the next joey harrington
Maybe the next Klingler...
Wait...
Did I just say type that out-loud?!
LOL!
Seriously though, they may have put together a better offensive line in CLE with Thomas and Steinbach, but Quinn will be the downfall. He has to be the most overrated QB I've even seen. It appeared to me in every game that I watched that it was his receivers that made him look decent... because I refuse to use the word good. He may be the #2 QB coming out of the college ranks this past draft, but it may have been the worst QB class ever IMO.

[34inXXIII]

I do blame these guys and their agents for holding out. No excuse at this point in time for a rookie who has proven nothing in this league and whose contract has essentially already been slotted by those who have been drafted around him and already signed.

[Joe from Florence]

Give the guy 3 years and I think he will be shreading that Bengal Defense. Especially if he can play with a chip on his shoulder. The question is whether or not that poor excuse for a head coach and organization can develop him???

I don't blame any of these guys holding out. Couple summers ago David Pollack took alot of heat from people here in Cincinnati holding out. Now look at him......turned out to be a wise decision. You just never know. (Yes I know he is playing QB and the league won't let anyone hit him!)



one of the lamest cliche's ever in the NFL....a guy who gets drafted has a chip on his shoulder.....why in the world would they be upset...because other teams that didn't need that position grabbed a player that plays another position? Is it because he wanted to go to the Browns who had the 3rd pick...which he stated before the draft he would love to play for his hometown browns....well he got his wish....would he want the team to take him 3rd instead of Thomas so he could play for a team with a horrible O-Line so he could get killed? or is he happy they got the best tackle to go with the best guard in steinbach so now he has a half decent line.
The entire chip on the shoulder is the lamest cliche ever. Brady is a moron, he's letting his agents handle all the negotiations and not telling his agent to get him in camp...he said "thats what they get paid for, I'm not getting involved" when he was asked if he told his agent that he wanted to get into camp on time. The idiot doesn't realize yet that his agent works for him, not the other way around.
I hope he sits out all year and goes back in the draft only to be selected in the 2nd round next year.....that would be hilarious

[Buckeyehitman]

Don't forget about Bentley, Joe. So, this year they have LeCharles Bentley returning from injury, Eric Steinbach from free agency and drafted the best LT in the draft. That OLine just got a MAJOR upgrade. That's why I say if Anderson or Frye are competent when not running for their lives, Quinn may never get the opportunity to showcase his talent. He better sign and get in quick.

[Murdock2420]

Don't forget about Bentley, Joe. So, this year they have LeCharles Bentley returning from injury, Eric Steinbach from free agency and drafted the best LT in the draft. That OLine just got a MAJOR upgrade. That's why I say if Anderson or Frye are competent when not running for their lives, Quinn may never get the opportunity to showcase his talent. He better sign and get in quick.
Wouldn't that require said talent to be there for him to showcase?? This is the Brady Quinn from Notre Dame right...not some other Brady Quinn from a division 2-A school that may have been good.

[Jom112]

I think Quinn took a look at the schedule and said, "Maybe I should hold out so I don't have to start right away".
Week 1: Steelers
Week 2: Cincy
Week 3: Oakland
Week 4: Baltimore
Week 5: New England
Week 6: Miami
Bye Week If Quinn is smart he will hold out just long enough so he can start after the bye week. Let either Frye or Anderson get killed by that schedule of tough defenses (And Cincy's great overall team [:P])...

[doctorhook18]

I agree the Browns are putting together one of the best O lines in the league. Give it time to mesh and it will be unbelievable.

I think he is going to be a good QB in this league. Here is a list of QB I think he will be better than:
Jon Kitna, Jake Delhome, David Carr, Chris Simms, Anyone who has played QB for the Redskins in the last 5 years, Rex Grossman, Tavaris Jackson, Eli Manning, Chad Pennington, Trent Green, Alex Smith, Byron Leftwich, JP Lossman, and Michael "Snoop Dog" Vick.
Quinn will be a solid "second tier" QB, but never an elite QB like Brady, Manning, or Favre. (Write it down!)

I still don't blame them for holding out. It's easy to give a list a reasons why he should have this done and why he should be in camp. However, if you were in his shoes and just got drafted with the Browns (who might lose their coach and go through another "rebuilding year") you try and get every dollar that you can and not a penny less! If you say "no" you can not comprehend that this is the biggest decision he can make in his life and there are no "do over's."

Many of you may say he is losing valuable time needed to become a good player because of this. I agree, BUT is Romeo Crennel and the Browns really going to groom this kid in to a great QB??? (I can't stop laughing just typing that!) NOPE!

On a side note, why can't teams start focusing on draft picks BEFORE training camp? Why not have it a rule they have to be signed for MINI CAMP??? Get it over with for crying out loud.....you drafted the kid in April!

[doctorhook18]

Dude....you NAILED it Jom!

[philhos]

Dude....you NAILED it!
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[Buckeyehitman]

Don't forget about Bentley, Joe. So, this year they have LeCharles Bentley returning from injury, Eric Steinbach from free agency and drafted the best LT in the draft. That OLine just got a MAJOR upgrade. That's why I say if Anderson or Frye are competent when not running for their lives, Quinn may never get the opportunity to showcase his talent. He better sign and get in quick.
Wouldn't that require said talent to be there for him to showcase?? This is the Brady Quinn from Notre Dame right...not some other Brady Quinn from a division 2-A school that may have been good.

My point was, he feels he's talented, and he won't ever be able to showcase that if someone else takes the job he's slated for. Besides, he might surprise you with the more coaching, he only had two years with Weiss.......or that is he WOULD'VE surprised you, he is with the browns after all.

[Murdock2420]

Don't forget about Bentley, Joe. So, this year they have LeCharles Bentley returning from injury, Eric Steinbach from free agency and drafted the best LT in the draft. That OLine just got a MAJOR upgrade. That's why I say if Anderson or Frye are competent when not running for their lives, Quinn may never get the opportunity to showcase his talent. He better sign and get in quick.
Wouldn't that require said talent to be there for him to showcase?? This is the Brady Quinn from Notre Dame right...not some other Brady Quinn from a division 2-A school that may have been good.

My point was, he feels he's talented, and he won't ever be able to showcase that if someone else takes the job he's slated for. Besides, he might surprise you with the more coaching, he only had two years with Weiss.......or that is he WOULD'VE surprised you, he is with the browns after all.

Even with an improved O-Line, he still has to deal with the amazingly large egos of Braylon Edwards and the Soulja, two guys who have done little and talk about how great they are, add to that an aging RB and the fact that it is Cleveland and it looks like Tim Couch version 2.0

[Joe from Florence]

I agree the Browns are putting together one of the best O lines in the league. Give it time to mesh and it will be unbelievable.

I think he is going to be a good QB in this league. Here is a list of QB I think he will be better than:
Jon Kitna, Jake Delhome, David Carr, Chris Simms, Anyone who has played QB for the Redskins in the last 5 years, Rex Grossman, Tavaris Jackson, Eli Manning, Chad Pennington, Trent Green, Alex Smith, Byron Leftwich, JP Lossman, and Michael "Snoop Dog" Vick.

I had to stop and laugh at that point in your post......saying Brady Quinn will be a good QB in this league because he'll be better than the ones you listed is just frickin hilarious.....except for Trent Green there isn't another qb on that list that is worth anything.....being better than them isn't a great accomplishment. If you think he's going to be a good qb, try and raise the bar a little bit.....try and make it at least a list of good qb's like Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Jay Cutler, Tony romo, Ben Roethlisburger....you know at least make it middle of the pack qb's.....I threw Brees in there to at least make it a little more difficult. The scrubs you listed won't be as good as J. Russell with the raiders...so at least and try to raise the bar a bit next time.
If your goal is to be better than the qb's you listed, just about every qb drafted this year has already surpassed half of them lol. Shoot Jeff Rowe is already better than half of them lol

[doctorhook18]

Jeff who?????? The guy who throws like David Spade in Benchwarmers??????

[deviant]

Señor Queen just signed... 20 mil guaranteed over 5 years...

That's too bad... for the Browns that is. Now their failure is complete, I have forseen it. Brady will join the dark side, and Darth Crenellious will complete his training. Together they will rule the basement of the divison, the league, and the galaxy! No record is to terrible for them, the will have negatives in the win column... if only we knew the power of the dark side.

My prediction for the Browns season... they will go (-5) and 16. They will lose some of their games by such a margin it will count as a negative win and a loss as well.

[Rayne]

Señor Queen just signed... 20 mil guaranteed over 5 years...

That's too bad... for the Browns that is. Now their failure is complete, I have forseen it. Brady will join the dark side, and Darth Crenellious will complete his training. Together they will rule the basement of the divison, the league, and the galaxy! No record is to terrible for them, the will have negatives in the win column... if only we knew the power of the dark side.

My prediction for the Browns season... they will go (-5) and 16. They will lose some of their games by such a margin it will count as a negative win and a loss as well.

I, like many others, wasn't impressed with Quinn when he played for Notre Dame. He was never much of anything there, then suddenly when Weis takes over, he's a Hiesmann candidate?
He's suppose to be the next Tom Brady?
I don't think the problems in Cleveland can be laid at Fry's feet - he doesn't have a good Oline in front of him. Until he does, he's not going to live up to that 20 million.

[Whatever]

Señor Queen just signed... 20 mil guaranteed over 5 years...

That's too bad... for the Browns that is. Now their failure is complete, I have forseen it. Brady will join the dark side, and Darth Crenellious will complete his training. Together they will rule the basement of the divison, the league, and the galaxy! No record is to terrible for them, the will have negatives in the win column... if only we knew the power of the dark side.

My prediction for the Browns season... they will go (-5) and 16. They will lose some of their games by such a margin it will count as a negative win and a loss as well.

I, like many others, wasn't impressed with Quinn when he played for Notre Dame. He was never much of anything there, then suddenly when Weis takes over, he's a Hiesmann candidate?
He's suppose to be the next Tom Brady?
I don't think the problems in Cleveland can be laid at Fry's feet - he doesn't have a good Oline in front of him. Until he does, he's not going to live up to that 20 million.

Part of this can also be a PR move on the Browns part,as well. The Lerner's have an obsession with the Columbus market,for whatever reason. That market has been slipping away steadily ever since the Bengals' resurgence. For those who don't know,Columbus is a ridiculous bandwagon town. The Browns were even considering moving training camp from their mulit-million dollar practice facility in Berea to the Columbus Crew's(MLS) training facility in Obetz,on the east side of Columbus a few years back,trying to drum up support. Quinn,of course,played his high school ball in Dublin,a rich 'burb of Columbus. Sounds farfetched,but there were also rumblings years ago that the main reason the Browns took Tim Couch over Donovan McNabb was that his Kentucky ties would drag fans from the state,(who are typically Bengal fans)over to the Browns side. It sounds seriously stupid,I know,but it's like the Lerner's care more about being the most popular team in Ohio more than they do about winning.

[Rayne]

Señor Queen just signed... 20 mil guaranteed over 5 years...

That's too bad... for the Browns that is. Now their failure is complete, I have forseen it. Brady will join the dark side, and Darth Crenellious will complete his training. Together they will rule the basement of the divison, the league, and the galaxy! No record is to terrible for them, the will have negatives in the win column... if only we knew the power of the dark side.

My prediction for the Browns season... they will go (-5) and 16. They will lose some of their games by such a margin it will count as a negative win and a loss as well.

I, like many others, wasn't impressed with Quinn when he played for Notre Dame. He was never much of anything there, then suddenly when Weis takes over, he's a Hiesmann candidate?
He's suppose to be the next Tom Brady?
I don't think the problems in Cleveland can be laid at Fry's feet - he doesn't have a good Oline in front of him. Until he does, he's not going to live up to that 20 million.

Part of this can also be a PR move on the Browns part,as well. The Lerner's have an obsession with the Columbus market,for whatever reason. That market has been slipping away steadily ever since the Bengals' resurgence. For those who don't know,Columbus is a ridiculous bandwagon town. The Browns were even considering moving training camp from their mulit-million dollar practice facility in Berea to the Columbus Crew's(MLS) training facility in Obetz,on the east side of Columbus a few years back,trying to drum up support. Quinn,of course,played his high school ball in Dublin,a rich 'burb of Columbus. Sounds farfetched,but there were also rumblings years ago that the main reason the Browns took Tim Couch over Donovan McNabb was that his Kentucky ties would drag fans from the state,(who are typically Bengal fans)over to the Browns side. It sounds seriously stupid,I know,but it's like the Lerner's care more about being the most popular team in Ohio more than they do about winning.

I didn't know any of that, thank you.
I know I don't have a college degree or anything, but if they won games wouldn't they be MORE popular than they would for just have a QB from Ohio?

[BamBamRubble]

Señor Queen just signed... 20 mil guaranteed over 5 years...

That's too bad... for the Browns that is. Now their failure is complete, I have forseen it. Brady will join the dark side, and Darth Crenellious will complete his training. Together they will rule the basement of the divison, the league, and the galaxy! No record is to terrible for them, the will have negatives in the win column... if only we knew the power of the dark side.

My prediction for the Browns season... they will go (-5) and 16. They will lose some of their games by such a margin it will count as a negative win and a loss as well.

I, like many others, wasn't impressed with Quinn when he played for Notre Dame. He was never much of anything there, then suddenly when Weis takes over, he's a Hiesmann candidate?
He's suppose to be the next Tom Brady?
I don't think the problems in Cleveland can be laid at Fry's feet - he doesn't have a good Oline in front of him. Until he does, he's not going to live up to that 20 million.

Part of this can also be a PR move on the Browns part,as well. The Lerner's have an obsession with the Columbus market,for whatever reason. That market has been slipping away steadily ever since the Bengals' resurgence. For those who don't know,Columbus is a ridiculous bandwagon town. The Browns were even considering moving training camp from their mulit-million dollar practice facility in Berea to the Columbus Crew's(MLS) training facility in Obetz,on the east side of Columbus a few years back,trying to drum up support. Quinn,of course,played his high school ball in Dublin,a rich 'burb of Columbus. Sounds farfetched,but there were also rumblings years ago that the main reason the Browns took Tim Couch over Donovan McNabb was that his Kentucky ties would drag fans from the state,(who are typically Bengal fans)over to the Browns side. It sounds seriously stupid,I know,but it's like the Lerner's care more about being the most popular team in Ohio more than they do about winning.

I didn't know any of that, thank you.
I know I don't have a college degree or anything, but if they won games wouldn't they be MORE popular than they would for just have a QB from Ohio?


Spoken like a true bandwagon fan. Win a few, and gain your support. As a matter of fact....wasn't you over on the Eagles boards earlier?

[Rayne]

Señor Queen just signed... 20 mil guaranteed over 5 years...

That's too bad... for the Browns that is. Now their failure is complete, I have forseen it. Brady will join the dark side, and Darth Crenellious will complete his training. Together they will rule the basement of the divison, the league, and the galaxy! No record is to terrible for them, the will have negatives in the win column... if only we knew the power of the dark side.

My prediction for the Browns season... they will go (-5) and 16. They will lose some of their games by such a margin it will count as a negative win and a loss as well.

I, like many others, wasn't impressed with Quinn when he played for Notre Dame. He was never much of anything there, then suddenly when Weis takes over, he's a Hiesmann candidate?
He's suppose to be the next Tom Brady?
I don't think the problems in Cleveland can be laid at Fry's feet - he doesn't have a good Oline in front of him. Until he does, he's not going to live up to that 20 million.

Part of this can also be a PR move on the Browns part,as well. The Lerner's have an obsession with the Columbus market,for whatever reason. That market has been slipping away steadily ever since the Bengals' resurgence. For those who don't know,Columbus is a ridiculous bandwagon town. The Browns were even considering moving training camp from their mulit-million dollar practice facility in Berea to the Columbus Crew's(MLS) training facility in Obetz,on the east side of Columbus a few years back,trying to drum up support. Quinn,of course,played his high school ball in Dublin,a rich 'burb of Columbus. Sounds farfetched,but there were also rumblings years ago that the main reason the Browns took Tim Couch over Donovan McNabb was that his Kentucky ties would drag fans from the state,(who are typically Bengal fans)over to the Browns side. It sounds seriously stupid,I know,but it's like the Lerner's care more about being the most popular team in Ohio more than they do about winning.

I didn't know any of that, thank you.
I know I don't have a college degree or anything, but if they won games wouldn't they be MORE popular than they would for just have a QB from Ohio?


Spoken like a true bandwagon fan. Win a few, and gain your support. As a matter of fact....wasn't you over on the Eagles boards earlier?

No, I wasn't. But since you disagree with me.....let me get this straight...you're saying that the team would be more popular for hiring a hometown boy than actually winning games?
Let me know if I misunderstood you.

[BamBamRubble]

Señor Queen just signed... 20 mil guaranteed over 5 years...

That's too bad... for the Browns that is. Now their failure is complete, I have forseen it. Brady will join the dark side, and Darth Crenellious will complete his training. Together they will rule the basement of the divison, the league, and the galaxy! No record is to terrible for them, the will have negatives in the win column... if only we knew the power of the dark side.

My prediction for the Browns season... they will go (-5) and 16. They will lose some of their games by such a margin it will count as a negative win and a loss as well.

I, like many others, wasn't impressed with Quinn when he played for Notre Dame. He was never much of anything there, then suddenly when Weis takes over, he's a Hiesmann candidate?
He's suppose to be the next Tom Brady?
I don't think the problems in Cleveland can be laid at Fry's feet - he doesn't have a good Oline in front of him. Until he does, he's not going to live up to that 20 million.

Part of this can also be a PR move on the Browns part,as well. The Lerner's have an obsession with the Columbus market,for whatever reason. That market has been slipping away steadily ever since the Bengals' resurgence. For those who don't know,Columbus is a ridiculous bandwagon town. The Browns were even considering moving training camp from their mulit-million dollar practice facility in Berea to the Columbus Crew's(MLS) training facility in Obetz,on the east side of Columbus a few years back,trying to drum up support. Quinn,of course,played his high school ball in Dublin,a rich 'burb of Columbus. Sounds farfetched,but there were also rumblings years ago that the main reason the Browns took Tim Couch over Donovan McNabb was that his Kentucky ties would drag fans from the state,(who are typically Bengal fans)over to the Browns side. It sounds seriously stupid,I know,but it's like the Lerner's care more about being the most popular team in Ohio more than they do about winning.

I didn't know any of that, thank you.
I know I don't have a college degree or anything, but if they won games wouldn't they be MORE popular than they would for just have a QB from Ohio?


Spoken like a true bandwagon fan. Win a few, and gain your support. As a matter of fact....wasn't you over on the Eagles boards earlier?

No, I wasn't. But since you disagree with me.....let me get this straight...you're saying that the team would be more popular for hiring a hometown boy than actually winning games?
Let me know if I misunderstood you.


No. That's not at all what I'm saying. The team would be more popular if it moved to Boise. We all know that Ohio is a Bengal state.

[Rayne]

Señor Queen just signed... 20 mil guaranteed over 5 years...

That's too bad... for the Browns that is. Now their failure is complete, I have forseen it. Brady will join the dark side, and Darth Crenellious will complete his training. Together they will rule the basement of the divison, the league, and the galaxy! No record is to terrible for them, the will have negatives in the win column... if only we knew the power of the dark side.

My prediction for the Browns season... they will go (-5) and 16. They will lose some of their games by such a margin it will count as a negative win and a loss as well.

I, like many others, wasn't impressed with Quinn when he played for Notre Dame. He was never much of anything there, then suddenly when Weis takes over, he's a Hiesmann candidate?
He's suppose to be the next Tom Brady?
I don't think the problems in Cleveland can be laid at Fry's feet - he doesn't have a good Oline in front of him. Until he does, he's not going to live up to that 20 million.

Part of this can also be a PR move on the Browns part,as well. The Lerner's have an obsession with the Columbus market,for whatever reason. That market has been slipping away steadily ever since the Bengals' resurgence. For those who don't know,Columbus is a ridiculous bandwagon town. The Browns were even considering moving training camp from their mulit-million dollar practice facility in Berea to the Columbus Crew's(MLS) training facility in Obetz,on the east side of Columbus a few years back,trying to drum up support. Quinn,of course,played his high school ball in Dublin,a rich 'burb of Columbus. Sounds farfetched,but there were also rumblings years ago that the main reason the Browns took Tim Couch over Donovan McNabb was that his Kentucky ties would drag fans from the state,(who are typically Bengal fans)over to the Browns side. It sounds seriously stupid,I know,but it's like the Lerner's care more about being the most popular team in Ohio more than they do about winning.

I didn't know any of that, thank you.
I know I don't have a college degree or anything, but if they won games wouldn't they be MORE popular than they would for just have a QB from Ohio?


Spoken like a true bandwagon fan. Win a few, and gain your support. As a matter of fact....wasn't you over on the Eagles boards earlier?

No, I wasn't. But since you disagree with me.....let me get this straight...you're saying that the team would be more popular for hiring a hometown boy than actually winning games?
Let me know if I misunderstood you.


No. That's not at all what I'm saying. The team would be more popular if it moved to Boise. We all know that Ohio is a Bengal state.

Thank you for the clarification.
I've always wondered why they put the Browns back in Cleveland anyway. The only reasons I can come up with are: Tradition and they way they left town. (Can't stand Art Modell for that reason)
The fan support just isn't there - and frankly, there are other cities where the fans would do a better job of supporting a team. (San Antonio and Las Vegas come to mind).

[Whatever]

Señor Queen just signed... 20 mil guaranteed over 5 years...

That's too bad... for the Browns that is. Now their failure is complete, I have forseen it. Brady will join the dark side, and Darth Crenellious will complete his training. Together they will rule the basement of the divison, the league, and the galaxy! No record is to terrible for them, the will have negatives in the win column... if only we knew the power of the dark side.

My prediction for the Browns season... they will go (-5) and 16. They will lose some of their games by such a margin it will count as a negative win and a loss as well.

I, like many others, wasn't impressed with Quinn when he played for Notre Dame. He was never much of anything there, then suddenly when Weis takes over, he's a Hiesmann candidate?
He's suppose to be the next Tom Brady?
I don't think the problems in Cleveland can be laid at Fry's feet - he doesn't have a good Oline in front of him. Until he does, he's not going to live up to that 20 million.

Part of this can also be a PR move on the Browns part,as well. The Lerner's have an obsession with the Columbus market,for whatever reason. That market has been slipping away steadily ever since the Bengals' resurgence. For those who don't know,Columbus is a ridiculous bandwagon town. The Browns were even considering moving training camp from their mulit-million dollar practice facility in Berea to the Columbus Crew's(MLS) training facility in Obetz,on the east side of Columbus a few years back,trying to drum up support. Quinn,of course,played his high school ball in Dublin,a rich 'burb of Columbus. Sounds farfetched,but there were also rumblings years ago that the main reason the Browns took Tim Couch over Donovan McNabb was that his Kentucky ties would drag fans from the state,(who are typically Bengal fans)over to the Browns side. It sounds seriously stupid,I know,but it's like the Lerner's care more about being the most popular team in Ohio more than they do about winning.

I didn't know any of that, thank you.
I know I don't have a college degree or anything, but if they won games wouldn't they be MORE popular than they would for just have a QB from Ohio?


Spoken like a true bandwagon fan. Win a few, and gain your support. As a matter of fact....wasn't you over on the Eagles boards earlier?

No, I wasn't. But since you disagree with me.....let me get this straight...you're saying that the team would be more popular for hiring a hometown boy than actually winning games?
Let me know if I misunderstood you.


No. That's not at all what I'm saying. The team would be more popular if it moved to Boise. We all know that Ohio is a Bengal state.

Thank you for the clarification.
I've always wondered why they put the Browns back in Cleveland anyway. The only reasons I can come up with are: Tradition and they way they left town. (Can't stand Art Modell for that reason)
The fan support just isn't there - and frankly, there are other cities where the fans would do a better job of supporting a team. (San Antonio and Las Vegas come to mind).

Ohio is a Bengal state...for now. During the dark years,it was a WHOLE lot different. Browns "fans" were everywhere and you got no end of crap if you were out with Bengals gear on. And,yes,Ghost,you hit the nail on the head. If the Browns started winning more than the Bengals,then the pendulum would swing the other way,except in the cities of Cleveland and Cinci. The Lerner's do seem to care about winning,but have no clue about how to go about it. They literally throw money around like Daniel Snyder,overpaying marginally talented FA's left and right. Then they do ******** stuff like the Quinn trade. However,ultimately,it's lot easier to make PR moves and manipulate the gullible fans than it is to actually build a winner.

[BengalBubbs81]

Señor Queen just signed... 20 mil guaranteed over 5 years...

That's too bad... for the Browns that is. Now their failure is complete, I have forseen it. Brady will join the dark side, and Darth Crenellious will complete his training. Together they will rule the basement of the divison, the league, and the galaxy! No record is to terrible for them, the will have negatives in the win column... if only we knew the power of the dark side.

My prediction for the Browns season... they will go (-5) and 16. They will lose some of their games by such a margin it will count as a negative win and a loss as well.

I, like many others, wasn't impressed with Quinn when he played for Notre Dame. He was never much of anything there, then suddenly when Weis takes over, he's a Hiesmann candidate?
He's suppose to be the next Tom Brady?
I don't think the problems in Cleveland can be laid at Fry's feet - he doesn't have a good Oline in front of him. Until he does, he's not going to live up to that 20 million.

Part of this can also be a PR move on the Browns part,as well. The Lerner's have an obsession with the Columbus market,for whatever reason. That market has been slipping away steadily ever since the Bengals' resurgence. For those who don't know,Columbus is a ridiculous bandwagon town. The Browns were even considering moving training camp from their mulit-million dollar practice facility in Berea to the Columbus Crew's(MLS) training facility in Obetz,on the east side of Columbus a few years back,trying to drum up support. Quinn,of course,played his high school ball in Dublin,a rich 'burb of Columbus. Sounds farfetched,but there were also rumblings years ago that the main reason the Browns took Tim Couch over Donovan McNabb was that his Kentucky ties would drag fans from the state,(who are typically Bengal fans)over to the Browns side. It sounds seriously stupid,I know,but it's like the Lerner's care more about being the most popular team in Ohio more than they do about winning.

I didn't know any of that, thank you.
I know I don't have a college degree or anything, but if they won games wouldn't they be MORE popular than they would for just have a QB from Ohio?


Spoken like a true bandwagon fan. Win a few, and gain your support. As a matter of fact....wasn't you over on the Eagles boards earlier?

No, I wasn't. But since you disagree with me.....let me get this straight...you're saying that the team would be more popular for hiring a hometown boy than actually winning games?
Let me know if I misunderstood you.


No. That's not at all what I'm saying. The team would be more popular if it moved to Boise. We all know that Ohio is a Bengal state.

Oh, I wish you were correct. The whole state of Ohio though is far from being a Bengal state. Shoot, since the Browns have been mired in losing, the steelers are #2 making a push for #1 in NE Ohio(outside the city of cleveland itself anyway).
As I think it was mentioned, the Bengals have gained a lot of momentum since they have turned things around & the Browns have continued to **** but I still dont think the Bengals have a true grasp over central & north central Ohio. The Browns still have plenty of fans, you just don't hear em as much cause really what have they had to cheer about? Once the Browns start to sniff .500, they will start coming out again. They still complain to the Dispatch in Columbus every so often about the CBS affiliate showing Bengals in favor of Browns games.
Youre right, Columbus can be very bandwagon (in the NFL) which is understandable. I mean Columbus is now the largest city in the state & is the fastest growing. People living in Columbus have come from all over the place. It's actually kinda strange to ask someone where they are from & they say Columbus. Thus there is no long time devotion to either the Bengals or browns by many. Historically though, Columbus has been a Browns town & a Reds town. Lately it has flipped a little.