TroySmith or Jeff Rowe

[Bengals#85Chad]

Who do you think the bengals should of gotten? I think they had a bad decision on not choosing Troy.

[booboo2280]

Naa i think they made a good decision on passing. I am a huge THE OSU fan but Troy is not gonna be a carrer back up just yet. He has something to prove and is gonna want an opportunityto start somewhere. Baltimore is actually probly a great fit for him. Boller *****, he has had his chance and failed. Troy will get to play a couple years behind Steve and during this time he will have to prove he can start in the NFL and if he does, he will be given that opportunity.

[NKURyan]

Aw gee, here we go again! [:D]

[bengal_fan_in_toronto]

Naa i think they made a good decision on passing. I am a huge THE OSU fan but Troy is not gonna be a carrer back up just yet. He has something to prove and is gonna want an opportunityto start somewhere. Baltimore is actually probly a great fit for him. Boller *****, he has had his chance and failed. Troy will get to play a couple years behind Steve and during this time he will have to prove he can start in the NFL and if he does, he will be given that opportunity.
Michigan fan here. I would rather have had Troy. However, I never saw the other guy play but what I did see of Troy (which was too much against Michigan this year [:P] ) I like his game. However, I think Baltimore is a better fit for him and a better opportunity for him career wise. I pretty much agree with the above.

[Joe from Florence]

I think Troy is a better qb, but i think there is a reason we didn't take him, it's the same reason we didn't take jordan Palmer.....both of those guys want and expect to be starters in the league, it wouldn't of been fair to any of them to sit behind Carson who we all hope has a long elustrious career here. Our pick reminds me of a Turk Schoenert pick when we got him. He knew he would be the backup to Anderson and had no problems doing that. He had the build to be a NFL QB and had the passing ability to do so also....I think thats why we got who we got.

[Buckeyehitman]

Who do you think the bengals should of gotten? I think they had a bad decision on not choosing Troy.
I think Troy is a better Quarterback, and I would've loved for him to have learned under Bratkowski, Zampese and Carson. However, he never would've saw playing time unless the game was 50-0 or God Forbid Carson got hurt.
Still, I subscribe to the "take the best player available" at the position theory. So I would've taken him. Then again, I would've taken anyone BUT Jeff Rowe in the 5th. There were still plenty of players in later rounds, so I just don't know about this pick, but hey, not my job, right?

[Buckeyehitman]

I think Troy is a better qb, but i think there is a reason we didn't take him, it's the same reason we didn't take jordan Palmer.....both of those guys want and expect to be starters in the league, it wouldn't of been fair to any of them to sit behind Carson who we all hope has a long elustrious career here. Our pick reminds me of a Turk Schoenert pick when we got him. He knew he would be the backup to Anderson and had no problems doing that. He had the build to be a NFL QB and had the passing ability to do so also....I think thats why we got who we got.
Jeff Rowe knows his place....good point.

[nflwiz]

I would rather have a QB from free agency.

[Buckeyehitman]

I would rather have a QB from free agency.
I think that's the consensus. There were a lot of good defensive players still on the board, and the message board was quite irritated when we took a QB that no one had heard of. I even saw a post form a guy that lived in Nevada and saw Rowe play and he said this was a horrible pick.
We could've worked Justin Zwick out. Yeah, I know, he didn't start at his own college, but after Drew Henson got there, neither did Tom Brady. Besides, if he's only going to be a backup, how stellar does he really need to be? It's not like he's backing up McNabb who is hurt every year.

[beechball_45424]

I think Troy is a better qb, but i think there is a reason we didn't take him, it's the same reason we didn't take jordan Palmer.....both of those guys want and expect to be starters in the league, it wouldn't of been fair to any of them to sit behind Carson who we all hope has a long elustrious career here. Our pick reminds me of a Turk Schoenert pick when we got him. He knew he would be the backup to Anderson and had no problems doing that. He had the build to be a NFL QB and had the passing ability to do so also....I think thats why we got who we got.
I understand that some players are better suited to be career backups but why would you not want a competitor/winner like Troy Smith. Isn't the draft and football all about competition. Why would anyone want a guy that is just going to sit around and not fight for the starting spot. Carson is way better than Smith is but why not have Smith compete for the starting spot instead of having a guy come in here and look to be the backup. This is just plane stupid. You can't tell me that competition isn't good and why would you not want the best players on your team. Wouldn't it be nice to have Smith as a backup incase Carson does go down. I mean he did it once and look who we had to throw in there, John Kitna. This was a horrible pick and Baltimore got a steal in round 5 none the less. Smith could have been a long term solution to our backup possition so that we don't have to draft a QB every year just to fill a third string.
I could care less if Troy Smith fits better on Baltimore's team. That only makes it better for him not for us. Smith will be the starter there in 08' write it in stone. Then we will have to face him twice a year. I just don't understand why you would want a guy with less talent on our team. For gods sake he won the Heisman and dont give me this, well White from Oklahoma won it also crap because he clearly was a product of the system he was in. Plus this stuff about his heigth is bogus. He didn't get his passes batted down more than any other QB in all of football. We are a long ball passing team and every scout says that Rowe doesn't have the arm strength to throw it long, Smith does. The Rowe pick *****!!!

[Buckeyehitman]

I think Troy is a better qb, but i think there is a reason we didn't take him, it's the same reason we didn't take jordan Palmer.....both of those guys want and expect to be starters in the league, it wouldn't of been fair to any of them to sit behind Carson who we all hope has a long elustrious career here. Our pick reminds me of a Turk Schoenert pick when we got him. He knew he would be the backup to Anderson and had no problems doing that. He had the build to be a NFL QB and had the passing ability to do so also....I think thats why we got who we got.
I understand that some players are better suited to be career backups but why would you not want a competitor/winner like Troy Smith. Isn't the draft and football all about competition. Why would anyone want a guy that is just going to sit around and not fight for the starting spot. Carson is way better than Smith is but why not have Smith compete for the starting spot instead of having a guy come in here and look to be the backup. This is just plane stupid. You can't tell me that competition isn't good and why would you not want the best players on your team. Wouldn't it be nice to have Smith as a backup incase Carson does go down. I mean he did it once and look who we had to throw in there, John Kitna. This was a horrible pick and Baltimore got a steal in round 5 none the less. Smith could have been a long term solution to our backup possition so that we don't have to draft a QB every year just to fill a third string.
I could care less if Troy Smith fits better on Baltimore's team. That only makes it better for him not for us. Smith will be the starter there in 08' write it in stone. Then we will have to face him twice a year. I just don't understand why you would want a guy with less talent on our team. For gods sake he won the Heisman and dont give me this, well White from Oklahoma won it also crap because he clearly was a product of the system he was in. Plus this stuff about his heigth is bogus. He didn't get his passes batted down more than any other QB in all of football. We are a long ball passing team adn every scout says that Rowe doesn't have the arm strength to throw it long, Smith does. The Rowe pick *****!!!

I think he just pwned you all.
Nice to see another buckeye with some passion on this board.

[beechball_45424]

OSU grad buddy.

[bengal_fan_in_toronto]

I think Troy is a better qb, but i think there is a reason we didn't take him, it's the same reason we didn't take jordan Palmer.....both of those guys want and expect to be starters in the league, it wouldn't of been fair to any of them to sit behind Carson who we all hope has a long elustrious career here. Our pick reminds me of a Turk Schoenert pick when we got him. He knew he would be the backup to Anderson and had no problems doing that. He had the build to be a NFL QB and had the passing ability to do so also....I think thats why we got who we got.
I understand that some players are better suited to be career backups but why would you not want a competitor/winner like Troy Smith. Isn't the draft and football all about competition. Why would anyone want a guy that is just going to sit around and not fight for the starting spot. Carson is way better than Smith is but why not have Smith compete for the starting spot instead of having a guy come in here and look to be the backup. This is just plane stupid. You can't tell me that competition isn't good and why would you not want the best players on your team. Wouldn't it be nice to have Smith as a backup incase Carson does go down. I mean he did it once and look who we had to throw in there, John Kitna. This was a horrible pick and Baltimore got a steal in round 5 none the less. Smith could have been a long term solution to our backup possition so that we don't have to draft a QB every year just to fill a third string.
I could care less if Troy Smith fits better on Baltimore's team. That only makes it better for him not for us. Smith will be the starter there in 08' write it in stone. Then we will have to face him twice a year. I just don't understand why you would want a guy with less talent on our team. For gods sake he won the Heisman and dont give me this, well White from Oklahoma won it also crap because he clearly was a product of the system he was in. Plus this stuff about his heigth is bogus. He didn't get his passes batted down more than any other QB in all of football. We are a long ball passing team adn every scout says that Rowe doesn't have the arm strength to throw it long, Smith does. The Rowe pick *****!!!

I think he just pwned you all.
Nice to see another buckeye with some passion on this board.

yes...yes he did [:S]

[Joe from Florence]

I think Troy is a better qb, but i think there is a reason we didn't take him, it's the same reason we didn't take jordan Palmer.....both of those guys want and expect to be starters in the league, it wouldn't of been fair to any of them to sit behind Carson who we all hope has a long elustrious career here. Our pick reminds me of a Turk Schoenert pick when we got him. He knew he would be the backup to Anderson and had no problems doing that. He had the build to be a NFL QB and had the passing ability to do so also....I think thats why we got who we got.
I understand that some players are better suited to be career backups but why would you not want a competitor/winner like Troy Smith. Isn't the draft and football all about competition. Why would anyone want a guy that is just going to sit around and not fight for the starting spot. Carson is way better than Smith is but why not have Smith compete for the starting spot instead of having a guy come in here and look to be the backup. This is just plane stupid. You can't tell me that competition isn't good and why would you not want the best players on your team. Wouldn't it be nice to have Smith as a backup incase Carson does go down. I mean he did it once and look who we had to throw in there, John Kitna. This was a horrible pick and Baltimore got a steal in round 5 none the less. Smith could have been a long term solution to our backup possition so that we don't have to draft a QB every year just to fill a third string.
I could care less if Troy Smith fits better on Baltimore's team. That only makes it better for him not for us. Smith will be the starter there in 08' write it in stone. Then we will have to face him twice a year. I just don't understand why you would want a guy with less talent on our team. For gods sake he won the Heisman and dont give me this, well White from Oklahoma won it also crap because he clearly was a product of the system he was in. Plus this stuff about his heigth is bogus. He didn't get his passes batted down more than any other QB in all of football. We are a long ball passing team adn every scout says that Rowe doesn't have the arm strength to throw it long, Smith does. The Rowe pick *****!!!

I think he just pwned you all.
Nice to see another buckeye with some passion on this board.

I think not......I think you buckeye homers can't see thru your scarlet and grey glasses to see why we passed on Troy smith.....I named a few reasons but never mentioned the main reason I think we passed on Smith. You have to look at the system we run....very same reason Mike vick wouldn't be succesful here......our offense is a pocket passing offense. We are not a play action, run and gun offense....Troy smith is not a pocket passer, he is more comfortable running out of the pocket and throwing or tucking the ball and running himself, but mostly very succesful when running out of the pocket. Why in the world would we bring in a QB who doesn't fit the system in place? If it was a franchise QB then a team can change it's scheme, but for a backup we will not change our scheme for Troy smith.
Players are better in certain schemes than others...same as defensive players, there are LB's better suited for a 3-4 and others better suited for a 4-3 same as lineman. Troy smith is not suited for our style of offense, and unless you and others realize that you will always be filled with sour grapes that the bengals didn't just draft the entire Buckeyes team

[beechball_45424]

I think Troy is a better qb, but i think there is a reason we didn't take him, it's the same reason we didn't take jordan Palmer.....both of those guys want and expect to be starters in the league, it wouldn't of been fair to any of them to sit behind Carson who we all hope has a long elustrious career here. Our pick reminds me of a Turk Schoenert pick when we got him. He knew he would be the backup to Anderson and had no problems doing that. He had the build to be a NFL QB and had the passing ability to do so also....I think thats why we got who we got.
I understand that some players are better suited to be career backups but why would you not want a competitor/winner like Troy Smith. Isn't the draft and football all about competition. Why would anyone want a guy that is just going to sit around and not fight for the starting spot. Carson is way better than Smith is but why not have Smith compete for the starting spot instead of having a guy come in here and look to be the backup. This is just plane stupid. You can't tell me that competition isn't good and why would you not want the best players on your team. Wouldn't it be nice to have Smith as a backup incase Carson does go down. I mean he did it once and look who we had to throw in there, John Kitna. This was a horrible pick and Baltimore got a steal in round 5 none the less. Smith could have been a long term solution to our backup possition so that we don't have to draft a QB every year just to fill a third string.
I could care less if Troy Smith fits better on Baltimore's team. That only makes it better for him not for us. Smith will be the starter there in 08' write it in stone. Then we will have to face him twice a year. I just don't understand why you would want a guy with less talent on our team. For gods sake he won the Heisman and dont give me this, well White from Oklahoma won it also crap because he clearly was a product of the system he was in. Plus this stuff about his heigth is bogus. He didn't get his passes batted down more than any other QB in all of football. We are a long ball passing team adn every scout says that Rowe doesn't have the arm strength to throw it long, Smith does. The Rowe pick *****!!!

I think he just pwned you all.
Nice to see another buckeye with some passion on this board.

I think not......I think you buckeye homers can't see thru your scarlet and grey glasses to see why we passed on Troy smith.....I named a few reasons but never mentioned the main reason I think we passed on Smith. You have to look at the system we run....very same reason Mike vick wouldn't be succesful here......our offense is a pocket passing offense. We are not a play action, run and gun offense....Troy smith is not a pocket passer, he is more comfortable running out of the pocket and throwing or tucking the ball and running himself, but mostly very succesful when running out of the pocket. Why in the world would we bring in a QB who doesn't fit the system in place? If it was a franchise QB then a team can change it's scheme, but for a backup we will not change our scheme for Troy smith.
Players are better in certain schemes than others...same as defensive players, there are LB's better suited for a 3-4 and others better suited for a 4-3 same as lineman. Troy smith is not suited for our style of offense, and unless you and others realize that you will always be filled with sour grapes that the bengals didn't just draft the entire Buckeyes team

Lets get something straight. This is the Bengals message board and I am a speaking as a Benglas fan on here first and foremost. You have a convoluted mind my friend. Everyone thinks that Smith is a run and gun QB. Sorry but he is not. The only reason he is thought of in this way is because because when he came in as a sophmore and early in his junior year he was not a mature QB. He would not read the defenses correctly, which was a product of him not having much playing experience. When he didn't see his first option open he would then run because he is an athlete. If you watched him at all this year you would realize that he is a pocket passer. There were no more designed plays for him to tuck it and run like in years past. Go ahead and love on Rowe but how does he fit our system better than Smith does when Rowe can even throw the long ball. Smith has the arm to fit our system. I love the homer quote. Why don't you take off the orange and black glasses so that you can see that we made a bad pick.
P.S. I know that there are a lot of homers on this site but lets get one thing straight I am not one of them. I only talked about one player from one team. I would be a homer if I thought we should have drafted Zwick or Patterson in the 7th. Get your facts straight Joe.

[Joe from Florence]

Lets get something straight. This is the Bengals message board and I am a speaking as a Benglas fan on here first and foremost. You have a convoluted mind my friend. Everyone thinks that Smith is a run and gun QB. Sorry but he is not. The only reason he is thought of in this way is because because when he came in as a sophmore and early in his junior year he was not a mature QB. He would not read the defenses correctly, which was a product of him not having much playing experience. When he didn't see his first option open he would then run because he is an athlete. If you watched him at all this year you would realize that he is a pocket passer. There were no more designed plays for him to tuck it and run like in years past. Go ahead and love on Rowe but how does he fit our system better than Smith does when Rowe can even throw the long ball. Smith has the arm to fit our system. I love the homer quote. Why don't you take off the orange and black glasses so that you can see that we made a bad pick.
P.S. I know that there are a lot of homers on this site but lets get one thing straight I am not one of them. I only talked about one player from one team. I would be a homer if I thought we should have drafted Zwick or Patterson in the 7th. Get your facts straight Joe.

Who is my favorite college football team? Buckeyes.....do i think Smith is a better qb than who we drafted in college? yes....do i think Troy smith fits our system better? no.....why? because I watched every game this year of the buckeyes and he does not fit our system...yes he threw from the pocket but there were more times than not that he left the pocket before he threw....would vince young be good in our system? nope, does that make vince young a bad QB? heck no, he's awesome to watch, led college in passing his last year, but our offense isn't set up for the qb to leave the pocket as many times as vince does...and he's a pocket passer as much as Smith is....it just doesn't work in the NFL like it does in College.
So as a Buckeye fan, I would want to see Troy get a chance to play.....he wouldn't here unless an injury occured....am i upset Troy went to the Ravens? yes...i'd rather see him on an NFC team so it's easier to root for him. Does that mean we should of took him? nope.

[beechball_45424]

Lets get something straight. This is the Bengals message board and I am a speaking as a Benglas fan on here first and foremost. You have a convoluted mind my friend. Everyone thinks that Smith is a run and gun QB. Sorry but he is not. The only reason he is thought of in this way is because because when he came in as a sophmore and early in his junior year he was not a mature QB. He would not read the defenses correctly, which was a product of him not having much playing experience. When he didn't see his first option open he would then run because he is an athlete. If you watched him at all this year you would realize that he is a pocket passer. There were no more designed plays for him to tuck it and run like in years past. Go ahead and love on Rowe but how does he fit our system better than Smith does when Rowe can even throw the long ball. Smith has the arm to fit our system. I love the homer quote. Why don't you take off the orange and black glasses so that you can see that we made a bad pick.
P.S. I know that there are a lot of homers on this site but lets get one thing straight I am not one of them. I only talked about one player from one team. I would be a homer if I thought we should have drafted Zwick or Patterson in the 7th. Get your facts straight Joe.

Who is my favorite college football team? Buckeyes.....do i think Smith is a better qb than who we drafted in college? yes....do i think Troy smith fits our system better? no.....why? because I watched every game this year of the buckeyes and he does not fit our system...yes he threw from the pocket but there were more times than not that he left the pocket before he threw....would vince young be good in our system? nope, does that make vince young a bad QB? heck no, he's awesome to watch, led college in passing his last year, but our offense isn't set up for the qb to leave the pocket as many times as vince does...and he's a pocket passer as much as Smith is....it just doesn't work in the NFL like it does in College.
So as a Buckeye fan, I would want to see Troy get a chance to play.....he wouldn't here unless an injury occured....am i upset Troy went to the Ravens? yes...i'd rather see him on an NFC team so it's easier to root for him. Does that mean we should of took him? nope.

There was not more times that he threw from outside the pocket but that is being nitpicky and I will just leave it alone.

[biggie]

I think that there is something that is being lost here, Smith has had some character issues. No matter how small all of you may feel that they were we could not and did not take a chance on any guy that had any issues.

[Pollack99]

I think that there is something that is being lost here, Smith has had some character issues. No matter how small all of you may feel that they were we could not and did not take a chance on any guy that had any issues.
THANK YOU!!! I have said this multiple times and everyone just completely forgets about it. We drafted high character players only, and between that and the cutting of jason berryman its obvious what the team tried to accomplish this offseason. We werent going to take a player with even the smallest scratch on their record.
Troy Smith= beating up women + breaking ncaa rules
Jeff Rowe= good character
Say what you want about troy smith being better, i dont think either will be a great player in the nfl. if you are a buckeye homer, hater, or anyone in between you have to understand that we didnt take him because we are cleaning up our act and there is no way you can be upset about that.

[Buckeyehitman]

I think that there is something that is being lost here, Smith has had some character issues. No matter how small all of you may feel that they were we could not and did not take a chance on any guy that had any issues.
THANK YOU!!! I have said this multiple times and everyone just completely forgets about it. We drafted high character players only, and between that and the cutting of jason berryman its obvious what the team tried to accomplish this offseason. We werent going to take a player with even the smallest scratch on their record.
Troy Smith= beating up women + breaking ncaa rules
Jeff Rowe= good character
Say what you want about troy smith being better, i dont think either will be a great player in the nfl. if you are a buckeye homer, hater, or anyone in between you have to understand that we didnt take him because we are cleaning up our act and there is no way you can be upset about that.

Although I disagree that he has character issues currently, I cannot argue with his past. I believe he is a changed man, and I hope he does well. However, I can see that we passed on anyone with a flag, no matter when it occurred.
PS, I too am a graduate of THE Ohio State University.

[oasiswr]

I think that there is something that is being lost here, Smith has had some character issues. No matter how small all of you may feel that they were we could not and did not take a chance on any guy that had any issues.
THANK YOU!!! I have said this multiple times and everyone just completely forgets about it. We drafted high character players only, and between that and the cutting of jason berryman its obvious what the team tried to accomplish this offseason. We werent going to take a player with even the smallest scratch on their record.
Troy Smith= beating up women + breaking ncaa rules
Jeff Rowe= good character
Say what you want about troy smith being better, i dont think either will be a great player in the nfl. if you are a buckeye homer, hater, or anyone in between you have to understand that we didnt take him because we are cleaning up our act and there is no way you can be upset about that.

Although I disagree that he has character issues currently, I cannot argue with his past. I believe he is a changed man, and I hope he does well. However, I can see that we passed on anyone with a flag, no matter when it occurred.
PS, I too am a graduate of THE Ohio State University.

Actually Zwick would have been a pretty good pick after all he did place a precision pass right into Hamby's hands between two defenders against Texas in 2004. If Hamby only kept ahold of that tatto across the numbers we had them beat for the game. Another pass that I remember was against Minnasota where Zwick launched a thirty yard pass perfect to Smalls (our new Ginn for 2007) .( capping a 74 yard drive in 2 min resulting in Boekman being placed) They really should have gave Zwick more time to play when OSU had a huge commanding lead against a team. There was absolutely no reason to risk injuring a starter for stat padding Heisman trophy win. The only real downfall of Zwick was his ability to get away from defenders if he needed to since he wasn't too mobile.

[Buckeyehitman]

I think that there is something that is being lost here, Smith has had some character issues. No matter how small all of you may feel that they were we could not and did not take a chance on any guy that had any issues.
THANK YOU!!! I have said this multiple times and everyone just completely forgets about it. We drafted high character players only, and between that and the cutting of jason berryman its obvious what the team tried to accomplish this offseason. We werent going to take a player with even the smallest scratch on their record.
Troy Smith= beating up women + breaking ncaa rules
Jeff Rowe= good character
Say what you want about troy smith being better, i dont think either will be a great player in the nfl. if you are a buckeye homer, hater, or anyone in between you have to understand that we didnt take him because we are cleaning up our act and there is no way you can be upset about that.

Although I disagree that he has character issues currently, I cannot argue with his past. I believe he is a changed man, and I hope he does well. However, I can see that we passed on anyone with a flag, no matter when it occurred.
PS, I too am a graduate of THE Ohio State University.

Actually Zwick would have been a pretty good pick after all he did place a precision pass right into Hamby's hands between two defenders against Texas in 2004. If Hamby only kept ahold of that tatto across the numbers we had them beat for the game. Another pass that I remember was against Minnasota where Zwick launched a thirty yard pass perfect to Smalls (our new Ginn for 2007) .( capping a 74 yard drive in 2 min resulting in Boekman being placed) They really should have gave Zwick more time to play when OSU had a huge commanding lead against a team. There was absolutely no reason to risk injuring a starter for stat padding Heisman trophy win. The only real downfall of Zwick was his ability to get away from defenders if he needed to since he wasn't too mobile.

I agree. I think someone should take a shot on him. I didn't see him drafted (hoped he would be, but didn't see it happening). However as an UDFA, what's the harm?

[Joe from Florence]

the bottomline is this....if the bengals felt Smith was a better fit for us they would of took him....clearly he isn't so they didn't

[mrcrockj]

I am going to have to side with Joe in this arguement. Troy is probably the better QB. But I don't know how anyone that watched every OSU game this past season can say he is a pocket passer. Most of the time when he was throwing from the pocket was when the pocket shifted to one side of the field or the other, they were constantly moving so he could find a lane. In his highlight reel, it is mostly times he couldn't find an open reciever, was flushed from the pocket, then then found someone to pass to.
Don't get me wrong, I love what Smith done for our Buckeyes, but he is not a good fit for our team, that is why McNeal will never be a QB except for trick plays, or emergency situations.
Rowe will be like Peyton Manning's back up, I can live with that, I just hope he's a little better.

[RUN.RUDI.RIGHT.]

Jeff Rowe...Troy Smith just didn't show me enough against Florida! They had like the fastest Defense in College last year, the closest to NFL speed...if he can't show me that he can throw against that kind of speed, why would he be good in the NFL? Also, Troy is small...size matters...a good example of this is Senneca Wallace from the Seahawks (I don't think he got traded...I think he is still their back up)...he has to scramble out of the pocket just to see his recievers...this isn't good! Troy will not be good in the NFL...I'm glad we picked Jeff Rowe over him!

[oasiswr]

And what did Jeff Rowe show you besides he can keep a nice warm shiny spot on the Bench for several years? Troy Smith was out there beating solid teams in 2005 and 2006 losing only 4 games out of what 23 games? No he did not run and shoot all season in 2006 he stayed in the pocket except the Florida game when he had no choice or no deep threat wide out from Ted Ginn Jr to throw to.

[NKURyan]

We'll know who was right in a few years... if Troy Smith becomes a starter in this league, you can run in here and shout "I TOLD YOU SO" to your hearts content.
No offense to any of you guys, but when it comes to an unbiased opinion on OSU or Michigan players... I'll look elsewhere [:P].

[Joe from Florence]

We'll know who was right in a few years... if Troy Smith becomes a starter in this league, you can run in here and shout "I TOLD YOU SO" to your hearts content.
No offense to any of you guys, but when it comes to an unbiased opinion on OSU or Michigan players... I'll look elsewhere [:P].

Hows that????
I think the majority of folks here think Troy will get a shot at being a starter one of these days....doesn't mean taking him would of been the right decision.....It's the Ravens he's playing for remember....Kyle Boller was their starter until last year, is Troy Smith being a starter for them such a stretch? Does that mean Troy would of been the starter here and Carson would of sat the bench behind him? I don't think so

[TylerxSnipes]

guys keep it real here..
did you see troy smith in the bcs and senior bowl games? we have housh and johnson but without ginn this guy isnt that good. not giving any credit to rowe but smith is twice as good.
Point is smith or rowe regardless, they are just gonna fill the depth chart as long as carson is involved. OSU guys are gonna bark about it but its useless, smith serves us no help, or any Q for that matter. whats done is done guys.
at the end of the day they are just another anthony wright.

[Palmer_06]

i think we should have drafted Chris Leak i liked the way he played in the BCS championship game, we shoulda nabbed him.

[RUN.RUDI.RIGHT.]

And what did Jeff Rowe show you besides he can keep a nice warm shiny spot on the Bench for several years? Troy Smith was out there beating solid teams in 2005 and 2006 losing only 4 games out of what 23 games? No he did not run and shoot all season in 2006 he stayed in the pocket except the Florida game when he had no choice or no deep threat wide out from Ted Ginn Jr to throw to.

So are you telling me that he can only do good with a high caliber WR playing? A good QB can make ANY WR look good!

[nflwiz]

And what did Jeff Rowe show you besides he can keep a nice warm shiny spot on the Bench for several years? Troy Smith was out there beating solid teams in 2005 and 2006 losing only 4 games out of what 23 games? No he did not run and shoot all season in 2006 he stayed in the pocket except the Florida game when he had no choice or no deep threat wide out from Ted Ginn Jr to throw to.

So are you telling me that he can only do good with a high caliber WR playing? A good QB can make ANY WR look good!

I can't fully agree with u on that one Rudi. A QB has to have talent to throw to. Do u notice that every good QB in the league had talent at WR. Peyton has Harrison and Wayne. Palmer has Johnson and TJ. When the Patriots were winning super bowls w/ Brady, they had Branch and Troy Brown in his prime. My point is that a QB's stats depends on the WR's. If the WR's drop a pass it is an incompletion. If a WR tries to catch the ball and ends up batting it in the air for an interception, it's on the QB. If WR's can't get open the QB has to throw in traffic which is most likely not going to work.
As for Rowe or Smith, I'd pick neither in the draft. But if we actually needed a QB and it can down to it, I would rather have Smith.

[Buckeyehitman]

And what did Jeff Rowe show you besides he can keep a nice warm shiny spot on the Bench for several years? Troy Smith was out there beating solid teams in 2005 and 2006 losing only 4 games out of what 23 games? No he did not run and shoot all season in 2006 he stayed in the pocket except the Florida game when he had no choice or no deep threat wide out from Ted Ginn Jr to throw to.

So are you telling me that he can only do good with a high caliber WR playing? A good QB can make ANY WR look good!

I disagree. How good did Calvin Johnson make Reggie Ball look? Besides, most of the QBs drafted early had great WR. JaMarcus Russel had two WR taken in the first round, just like Troy Smith.
Besides, by your logic, Carson isn't as good as he seems, because he's got two great wideoouts.
It takes two to make the passing game great, someone to throw it on the numbers, and someone to catch it.

[brdhggns]

WE WASTED OUR 3RD PICK..... jeff row or troy smith..... theres a reason smith wasnt a 1srt round pick and that is because HES GONNA STINK IN THE NFL... hes to small and isnt gonna be able to out run the nfl defensies as easily and i think we should of used our 3rd and our 2nd pick to strengthen our defensie. our main problem besides our disipline problems is our defensie. we need a better one i think we should of got a qb in fee agency and picked up a defense player w our 3rd pick

[pdub2005]

Picking Troy Smith would be unfair to Troy. He would have a such a slim chance of starting for the Bengals, he would be praying for a trade the whole entire time which would become a distraction for the team. On the other hand I think he could end up the next Matt Schaub as far as a back-up getting traded for a ton of draft picks or a very good player, which is what I think Marvin is hoping he can eventually do with Rowe down the line.

[TibetanYetiHunter]

Go Odell!

[Bengalized]

I think Troy is a better qb, but i think there is a reason we didn't take him, it's the same reason we didn't take jordan Palmer.....both of those guys want and expect to be starters in the league, it wouldn't of been fair to any of them to sit behind Carson who we all hope has a long elustrious career here. Our pick reminds me of a Turk Schoenert pick when we got him. He knew he would be the backup to Anderson and had no problems doing that. He had the build to be a NFL QB and had the passing ability to do so also....I think thats why we got who we got.
I understand that some players are better suited to be career backups but why would you not want a competitor/winner like Troy Smith. Isn't the draft and football all about competition. Why would anyone want a guy that is just going to sit around and not fight for the starting spot. Carson is way better than Smith is but why not have Smith compete for the starting spot instead of having a guy come in here and look to be the backup. This is just plane stupid. You can't tell me that competition isn't good and why would you not want the best players on your team. Wouldn't it be nice to have Smith as a backup incase Carson does go down. I mean he did it once and look who we had to throw in there, John Kitna. This was a horrible pick and Baltimore got a steal in round 5 none the less. Smith could have been a long term solution to our backup possition so that we don't have to draft a QB every year just to fill a third string.
I could care less if Troy Smith fits better on Baltimore's team. That only makes it better for him not for us. Smith will be the starter there in 08' write it in stone. Then we will have to face him twice a year. I just don't understand why you would want a guy with less talent on our team. For gods sake he won the Heisman and dont give me this, well White from Oklahoma won it also crap because he clearly was a product of the system he was in. Plus this stuff about his heigth is bogus. He didn't get his passes batted down more than any other QB in all of football. We are a long ball passing team adn every scout says that Rowe doesn't have the arm strength to throw it long, Smith does. The Rowe pick *****!!!

I think he just pwned you all.
Nice to see another buckeye with some passion on this board.

I think not......I think you buckeye homers can't see thru your scarlet and grey glasses to see why we passed on Troy smith.....I named a few reasons but never mentioned the main reason I think we passed on Smith. You have to look at the system we run....very same reason Mike vick wouldn't be succesful here......our offense is a pocket passing offense. We are not a play action, run and gun offense....Troy smith is not a pocket passer, he is more comfortable running out of the pocket and throwing or tucking the ball and running himself, but mostly very succesful when running out of the pocket. Why in the world would we bring in a QB who doesn't fit the system in place? If it was a franchise QB then a team can change it's scheme, but for a backup we will not change our scheme for Troy smith.
Players are better in certain schemes than others...same as defensive players, there are LB's better suited for a 3-4 and others better suited for a 4-3 same as lineman. Troy smith is not suited for our style of offense, and unless you and others realize that you will always be filled with sour grapes that the bengals didn't just draft the entire Buckeyes team

Lets get something straight. This is the Bengals message board and I am a speaking as a Benglas fan on here first and foremost. You have a convoluted mind my friend. Everyone thinks that Smith is a run and gun QB. Sorry but he is not. The only reason he is thought of in this way is because because when he came in as a sophmore and early in his junior year he was not a mature QB. He would not read the defenses correctly, which was a product of him not having much playing experience. When he didn't see his first option open he would then run because he is an athlete. If you watched him at all this year you would realize that he is a pocket passer. There were no more designed plays for him to tuck it and run like in years past. Go ahead and love on Rowe but how does he fit our system better than Smith does when Rowe can even throw the long ball. Smith has the arm to fit our system. I love the homer quote. Why don't you take off the orange and black glasses so that you can see that we made a bad pick.
P.S. I know that there are a lot of homers on this site but lets get one thing straight I am not one of them. I only talked about one player from one team. I would be a homer if I thought we should have drafted Zwick or Patterson in the 7th. Get your facts straight Joe.

Troy Smith will be a bootleg passer in the NFL. He is not tall enough to stand in the pocket and throw over the Line of Scrimmage effectively. I understand the arguement about Troy scrambling less his senior year and being more of a pocket passer, but I think it is somewhat flawed. The NFL is a different game from college ball. Not saying he can't be a good QB, just saying the with his height, he would be more effective getting outside the pocket where he isn't throwing over as many big guys. Troy would have to play more like a Doug Flutie, with a lot of bootlegging and throwing the ball between the lineman instead of over them. Doesn't mean he's a bad QB, just means that he's better suited to throwing from outside the pocket.

[Buckeyehitman]

Ugh, I'm soooooooo sick of this arguement. Do you realize that the AVERAGE height for an Ohio State Offensive Lineman was 6'3? We had two guys that were 6'8. If he can throw over those guys from the pocket, then he can throw over an NFL line. Remember that Doug Flutie was thought to be too short for an NFL QB, and Troy is taller, and even though Flutie scrambled, he was still able to be a pocket passer when needed.
I'm sorry but his height just isn't an issue when it comes to being able to throw the ball over the line.

[SmallAxe]

We drafted someone that would play like Carson in this system if Carson goes down. Rowe is a tall, pocket-passer with a gun. It's about not having to have two seperate systems for two different style QBs.

[yorkshirebengal]

smith is a potential starter we only needed a back up...smith is too small..just my beliefs

[chumpzilla]

I agree that Rowe compares to Carson physically, but that isn't exactly the best measure of a qb's talent. If that was the case then we should pick up a college golf coach by the name of Ryan Leaf, I think he's about Carson's size and I think he was a qb at some school out west.
I also agree with the notion that something was "wrong" with Troy that caused him to fall... troubles in his past, height, whatever. Even with the current move by all teams to "high" character guys, plenty of teams still took risks on guys with character issues in this year's draft. Still, something had to scare other teams away, I mean wouldn't you rather have Troy than Stanton or Edwards?
The height issue is blown way out of proportion, look at Drew Brees, He's only 6' and he's a Pro Bowler. If I had to physically compare Troy to a current NFL QB it would be Brees, not Flutie. Not to mention that Troy doesn't have a surgically repaired shoulder and does have better mobility.
Take a look at Zwicks OSU pro day work out, his times in the 40 and agility drills are surprisingly close to those of Troy's. So I think that the argument that we could have had Zwick in the 7th or as CFA is pretty valid too. I would much rather have him in camp than some kid from Georgetown. Although, that was a great PR move.
This all being said, my real question is why did we let Casey Bramlet go? He is still playing well in NFL Europe and competing for a spot with the Redskins. He looked good in the preseason as a rookie when we had him. If he was still on the roster we wouldn’t have wasted money on washed up vets (Wright) and waste picks on Carson look-a-likes.
So my answer is neither Troy or Rowe, it's Bramlet.

[Jasonew6]

My preference was for Lester Ricard from Tulane. He has a bigger arm than Rowe.

[bengals_in_miami]

I will put it this way...I don't think we should of wasted a pick on ANY QB! I would rather draft a good defensive lineman then a QB! Pick up an UDFA for the minimum other then some guy whos name sounds like someone that could be no younger then 40 (lol to me it does)