Paul Oliver Declares for Supplemental Draft

[CalSteeler]

For those that don't know of him Oliver is a CB at Georgia who was ruled academically ineligible for the next season and so has declared for the supp. draft.

Oliver is rated as the top senior CB on most draft sites and likely would have been a top 10 pick in next years draft had he been able to stay in school. So what do you think, anyone gonna take a first round chance on him? While I doubt that I can definitely see someone spending a second. Personally I would love to snag him with a third but I highly doubt he'd fall to us there.


Think the Bengals want to go back to the well again this year?

Link to story (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/scorecard/cfootballnews.asp?articleID=202643)

[Whatever]

For those that don't know of him Oliver is a CB at Georgia who was ruled academically ineligible for the next season and so has declared for the supp. draft.

Oliver is rated as the top senior CB on most draft sites and likely would have been a top 10 pick in next years draft had he been able to stay in school. So what do you think, anyone gonna take a first round chance on him? While I doubt that I can definitely see someone spending a second. Personally I would love to snag him with a third but I highly doubt he'd fall to us there.


Think the Bengals want to go back to the well again this year?

Link to story (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/scorecard/cfootballnews.asp?articleID=202643)

It's possible,especially considering the recent Deltha O'Neal drama. If he slid into the 3rd,we might take a shot at him,since most people think we'll get a 3rd round compensatory pick for our FA losses from this year.
However,the Bengals are making an effort to stay away from players with character issues after last year's drama. If the kid's academically inelligible,he's either dumb,has a poor work effort,or both. None of those are in his favor.

[Buckeyehitman]

For those that don't know of him Oliver is a CB at Georgia who was ruled academically ineligible for the next season and so has declared for the supp. draft.

Oliver is rated as the top senior CB on most draft sites and likely would have been a top 10 pick in next years draft had he been able to stay in school. So what do you think, anyone gonna take a first round chance on him? While I doubt that I can definitely see someone spending a second. Personally I would love to snag him with a third but I highly doubt he'd fall to us there.


Think the Bengals want to go back to the well again this year?

Link to story (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/scorecard/cfootballnews.asp?articleID=202643)

It's possible,especially considering the recent Deltha O'Neal drama. If he slid into the 3rd,we might take a shot at him,since most people think we'll get a 3rd round compensatory pick for our FA losses from this year.
However,the Bengals are making an effort to stay away from players with character issues after last year's drama. If the kid's academically inelligible,he's either dumb,has a poor work effort,or both. None of those are in his favor.

That's a good point, but academics might not be a red flag. You don't have to make grades in the pros. Besides, the supplemental draft is usually filled with people that have academic issues, so if we let that deter us, we'd never look at another supplemental draft.
If the need is there, we might take a shot. Although, I somehow doubt it.

[Joe from Florence]

I'd take him if he were available in the 5th round of the supplemental draft.......possibly the 4th, only because we should get an extra 3rd round pick next year anyway, so i wouldn't be against it if we were able to get him in the 4th or 5th of the supplemntal draft....i just hated not having a 3rd rounder this year.

[Nate513]

We should take this guy as early as the 2nd. He shut down Calvin Johnson this past season and has been projected as a top 10 pick. Ive read that he has run in the 4.1 range which is freakish. I know a 2nd rounder would be a lot to give up, but he very well could have been the top CB a month ago which means the Leon Hall pick may have been a waste. I would figure that we cant touch him due to the fact that we have 2 1st round CBs in the last 13 monthes and that he was academically ineligible (oh no the almighty character issue). If they feel we need another top tier CB then he is by far better than anything we could get in the 2nd next year anyway. Im all for it. Also this would allow us to move Deltha in a trade and possibly get something for him maybe a 4th rounder. If we give up a 2nd or 3rd, then we would still have 3 first day picks as we are guranteed an extra 3rd due to Steinbachs enormous contract. Three young CBs would be a gamble, but we would all of a sudden have one of the fastest backfields in the league.

[bengalsfan4ever]

We should take this guy as early as the 2nd. He shut down Calvin Johnson this past season and has been projected as a top 10 pick. Ive read that he has run in the 4.1 range which is freakish. I know a 2nd rounder would be a lot to give up, but he very well could have been the top CB a month ago which means the Leon Hall pick may have been a waste. I would figure that we cant touch him due to the fact that we have 2 1st round CBs in the last 13 monthes and that he was academically ineligible (oh no the almighty character issue). If they feel we need another top tier CB then he is by far better than anything we could get in the 2nd next year anyway. Im all for it. Also this would allow us to move Deltha in a trade and possibly get something for him maybe a 4th rounder. If we give up a 2nd or 3rd, then we would still have 3 first day picks as we are guranteed an extra 3rd due to Steinbachs enormous contract. Three young CBs would be a gamble, but we would all of a sudden have one of the fastest backfields in the league.


sounds like a good player but i would not give up more then a 3rd rounder for him..
he runs a 4.1 40? is that even possible?

[beechball_45424]

I'd take him if he were available in the 5th round of the supplemental draft.......possibly the 4th, only because we should get an extra 3rd round pick next year anyway, so i wouldn't be against it if we were able to get him in the 4th or 5th of the supplemntal draft....i just hated not having a 3rd rounder this year.
If Brooks did not fall past the 3rd then Oliver isn't going to either. He is first round talent just like Brooks was. He has no more character issues than Brooks did coming out from what I have read. Losing a third rounder is not that big of a deal. Yeah it ***** when the third round comes and we don't have a pick but if you get first round talent out of it then who cares.

[Nate513]

We should take this guy as early as the 2nd. He shut down Calvin Johnson this past season and has been projected as a top 10 pick. Ive read that he has run in the 4.1 range which is freakish. I know a 2nd rounder would be a lot to give up, but he very well could have been the top CB a month ago which means the Leon Hall pick may have been a waste. I would figure that we cant touch him due to the fact that we have 2 1st round CBs in the last 13 monthes and that he was academically ineligible (oh no the almighty character issue). If they feel we need another top tier CB then he is by far better than anything we could get in the 2nd next year anyway. Im all for it. Also this would allow us to move Deltha in a trade and possibly get something for him maybe a 4th rounder. If we give up a 2nd or 3rd, then we would still have 3 first day picks as we are guranteed an extra 3rd due to Steinbachs enormous contract. Three young CBs would be a gamble, but we would all of a sudden have one of the fastest backfields in the league.


sounds like a good player but i would not give up more then a 3rd rounder for him..
he runs a 4.1 40? is that even possible?


I was surprised when I read it, but it was in one of this years draft mags in the look to the future section. I realize CB is one of the last needs for our D but it does make me sick that a talent like this is going to be available for cheap in the supplemental, although several teams have 2 1sts next year and a guy like Oliver could warrant that kind of interest. There are several teams that could look at him in the 2nd; Houston, Arizona, Seattle, Indy (unlikely seeing as how they already gave up their 1st), Buffalo, Pitt, Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago (either Tillman or Vasher wont be their after this season, although Manning is pretty good), Cleveland (unlikely also due to lack of 1st rounder), Cincy (Marvin is willing to gamble on upside and academic issues may not be too big of a red flag) and probably some I am forgetting. A guy like Oliver is not going to slip past the 3rd in the supp, but he is worth forgoing a 2nd next year; he could be a top 5 CB within two years and that kind of upside is worth the gamble. I was on here last year pleading for them to nab Brooks and it looks like that has worked out ok as we found a starter. But with two 1st round CBs it might be unreasonable to think that they would invest another top pick at the position, although if hes there in the third it may be worth it since we'll have 2 3rds; he would force Keiwann to S or out the door and would be an upgrade over last years Deltha.

[Buckeyehitman]

We should take this guy as early as the 2nd. He shut down Calvin Johnson this past season and has been projected as a top 10 pick. Ive read that he has run in the 4.1 range which is freakish. I know a 2nd rounder would be a lot to give up, but he very well could have been the top CB a month ago which means the Leon Hall pick may have been a waste. I would figure that we cant touch him due to the fact that we have 2 1st round CBs in the last 13 monthes and that he was academically ineligible (oh no the almighty character issue). If they feel we need another top tier CB then he is by far better than anything we could get in the 2nd next year anyway. Im all for it. Also this would allow us to move Deltha in a trade and possibly get something for him maybe a 4th rounder. If we give up a 2nd or 3rd, then we would still have 3 first day picks as we are guranteed an extra 3rd due to Steinbachs enormous contract. Three young CBs would be a gamble, but we would all of a sudden have one of the fastest backfields in the league.


sounds like a good player but i would not give up more then a 3rd rounder for him..
he runs a 4.1 40? is that even possible?

He doesn't run a 4.1. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=10669
According to that link, it says he runs a 4.45 40.
He could be a good pickup for us, however I agree with Joe, I HATED not having a 3rd. If we have an extra 3rd (which we likely will), and we have some picks to trade up with (which we likely will), then I'm all for it.
I would imagine we'll put a "bid" in on him. Probably a 4th, MAYBE a 3rd. Although I don't see us getting him, or offering anything too high, because we just drafted a DB in the past two drafts. Still, it would be nice to get another steal in a supplemental.

[Nate513]

We should take this guy as early as the 2nd. He shut down Calvin Johnson this past season and has been projected as a top 10 pick. Ive read that he has run in the 4.1 range which is freakish. I know a 2nd rounder would be a lot to give up, but he very well could have been the top CB a month ago which means the Leon Hall pick may have been a waste. I would figure that we cant touch him due to the fact that we have 2 1st round CBs in the last 13 monthes and that he was academically ineligible (oh no the almighty character issue). If they feel we need another top tier CB then he is by far better than anything we could get in the 2nd next year anyway. Im all for it. Also this would allow us to move Deltha in a trade and possibly get something for him maybe a 4th rounder. If we give up a 2nd or 3rd, then we would still have 3 first day picks as we are guranteed an extra 3rd due to Steinbachs enormous contract. Three young CBs would be a gamble, but we would all of a sudden have one of the fastest backfields in the league.


sounds like a good player but i would not give up more then a 3rd rounder for him..
he runs a 4.1 40? is that even possible?

He doesn't run a 4.1. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=10669
According to that link, it says he runs a 4.45 40.
He could be a good pickup for us, however I agree with Joe, I HATED not having a 3rd. If we have an extra 3rd (which we likely will), and we have some picks to trade up with (which we likely will), then I'm all for it. However, something tells me he'd have to fall to the 4th for us to consider it.


Im going to go ahead and trust the magazine I read it in (either ESPN or Sporting News, I dont know which b/c I already tossed them.) It said there is speculation that the guy can run in the low 4 range which leaves it open to interpretation, I read elsewhere that it could be in the low 4.2 range possibly even hitting in the high 4.1 range (which I realize sounds crazy but guys are getting faster and stronger by the year, so its not outside the realms of possibilty.) I say if the guy runs anything under 4.4 that we should grab him and not look back. Young CBs have had a lot of success over the past few years, and I would be happy going into the season with one of the most athletic trios of CBs in the league. More and more teams are featuring 3 WR sets so it is becoming imperitive that teams carry 3 starter calibur CBs, I say spend the 3rd if hes there and make our defensive backfields one of the best in the league.

[Buckeyehitman]

I still see nothing on the net of him running anything but a 4.45. Regardless, I'd welcome him with open arms if we could get him for a 3rd or 4th.

[Nate513]

No matter what you have or havent seen I read it. Anyway, we are both in agreement that Oliver would be a great pick up and that our D would be that much better with him. I watched the guy play some last year, and he is a silky smooth corner who looks as natural in coverage as any other college CB I have seen. Anytime you can grab the BEST CB (I know its open to interpretation but he would be a top 10 guy next April) in college football with a 2nd or 3rd round pick, then you have to do it. Not to mention that he would have the chance to come in and play this year and be ready to go in 08 instead of a rookie learning. The report on him going into college said that he was fast and tough enough to play any secondary position and seeing as how we need depth at CB and some insurance on Madieu, Oliver would be a great pickup. I know it seems like im doing too much championing for the guy. but I felt the same way about Ahmad last year and now he is a starter and soon to be playmaker on our D. Im all for getting younger and faster.

[Buckeyehitman]

No matter what you have or havent seen I read it.
Ok, settle down scooter. I'm not saying you did or didn't, I'm not even calling you wrong. All I'm saying is that I haven't see any evidence of it at all. Besides, I got the Sporting News NFL Draft preview and that thing was FILLED with innacuracies, so I'm not prepared to die on a hill for them at this point.
Anyway, we are both in agreement that Oliver would be a great pick up and that our D would be that much better with him. I watched the guy play some last year, and he is a silky smooth corner who looks as natural in coverage as any other college CB I have seen. Anytime you can grab the BEST CB (I know its open to interpretation but he would be a top 10 guy next April) in college football with a 2nd or 3rd round pick, then you have to do it. Not to mention that he would have the chance to come in and play this year and be ready to go in 08 instead of a rookie learning. The report on him going into college said that he was fast and tough enough to play any secondary position and seeing as how we need depth at CB and some insurance on Madieu, Oliver would be a great pickup. I know it seems like im doing too much championing for the guy. but I felt the same way about Ahmad last year and now he is a starter and soon to be playmaker on our D. Im all for getting younger and faster.
Yes, we're in agreement. I'm worried about having three guys that could be starters for a position that typically sees 2. If JJ, Hall and Oliver have too much ego for their own abilities, it could cause problems. However, it would provide some potential dominance for years to come.

[biggie]

I think that any time you have a chance to add 1st rd caliber talent in the 3rd or 4th rd you must consider it. I think that they will have a tough decision to make. If we could in any way add another 1st rd CB to our Def we must consider it. That would give us a chance to have an amazing back 7. Its just like everything else we have done this offseason. Marvin wants to increase competition, this would be an excellent opportunity for us to add another amazing talent to a def that is lacking them.

[PENNSYLVANIACAT]

I would be thrilled if we were able to grab Oliver in the supplementaldraft. I would feel so much better with him than Hall. I know most onhere love Hall, but I'm not sold on him. I think we got a steal in thesupplemental draft last year so I say lets go back to well one moretime.

[mrcrockj]

Third Rounder at the most would be to my preference. But would rather wait until later. I really missed the third rounder this year. But if he is really the talent everyone says he is, sure grab him (but not before the third).
The reason is that we have no idea how our new players are going to pan out this season. Will our new DB's hold up. Was JJ just a fluke last year?
On the other hand, if everyone panned out from this years draft and we got Oliver then in 08, our team may be known as the team with the scariest DB's in the league as well as a score at will Offense, it does sound nice.
Final call - If Deltha comes in and works out and does well, we let him slide into the 4th or 5th and grab him. If Deltha doesn't then we take him in the third.

[Judge]

I wouldn't mind picking him up. He would help us out a lot, but is he worth a 3rd round draft pick next year?

[Nate513]

I wouldn't mind picking him up. He would help us out a lot, but is he worth a 3rd round draft pick next year?


Up until this broke he was being touted as a possible top 10 pick and the top CB going into the season. I say that would be worth as high as a 2nd rounder. I dont think we will get a shot at him in the 3rd as I think a team like the Texans who have only one good CB will nab him. Pitt could look him up in the 3rd as he would be an immediate upgrade for them, and it was just a month ago they were looking at Hall and Revis as possibilties at 15.

[WillieG]

If he is a sure fire top ten pick in the 2008 draft and I was one of the top two or three teams like New England, Indy, or San Diego, I would spend a 1st round pick on him in the supplemental draft cause if I'm looking at drafting in the 30 -32 slot in next year's draft, I won't be getting a shot at a player of this caliber. And as they say, the rich get richer.....

[Redfox]

I would be thrilled if we were able to grab Oliver in the supplemental draft. I would feel so much better with him than Hall. I know most on here love Hall, but I'm not sold on him. I think we got a steal in the supplemental draft last year so I say lets go back to well one more time.
I'm not sold on Hall i wanted Revis saw Hall get burnt to much and i think Oliver would be better than Hall.[:D]

[Buckeyehitman]

Third Rounder at the most would be to my preference. But would rather wait until later. I really missed the third rounder this year. But if he is really the talent everyone says he is, sure grab him (but not before the third).
The reason is that we have no idea how our new players are going to pan out this season. Will our new DB's hold up. Was JJ just a fluke last year?
On the other hand, if everyone panned out from this years draft and we got Oliver then in 08, our team may be known as the team with the scariest DB's in the league as well as a score at will Offense, it does sound nice.
Final call - If Deltha comes in and works out and does well, we let him slide into the 4th or 5th and grab him. If Deltha doesn't then we take him in the third.

We won't know how Deltha does before the Supplemental draft. A person can do wonderfully in the camps, and then stink up the season.
As for the supplemental draft, there's really no "falling." The way it works is this. Each team that is interested in a particular player, will put in a "bid." Say for example that San Francisco and Cincy both wanted Ahmad Brooks. Cincy bids a 3rd round pick, and SF bids a 4th, then Cincy would (and did) get Brooks.
I say we toss out a 3rd for Oliver, after all we will most likely get a 3rd rounder out of Steinbach in the form of a compensatory pick. Besides, we can trade some of the other compensatory picks to mvoe back up into the 3 or 4th round if we wanted.
Oliver seems like a good player, and he could play corner or potentially safety, and those are positions for us that still need quality depth. A good tweener will free up roster space. If it happens we'll be lucky, but I'm not expecting it to.

[Nate513]

This team is smart. They know that the supplemental draft is valuable. Last year we got our starting MLB in the 3rd, a guy that was supposed to be a 1st had he stayed in. People complained day after day leading up to the draft about not having a 3rd rounder, but I would gladly trade off a 3rd round pick for a guy with first round potential, not to mention the fact that they get a year in the system and would be ready to contribute as early as the next year. So instead of a 3rd round rookie, we are starting a 2nd year pro that was a 1st round caliber player. Oliver is in the same boat. He is one of the top CBs in the country and experts have him as a possible top 10 pick. If we can snap him up for a 3rd or even a 2nd it would be a good move. There will be no comparable players available in the 2nd or 3rd next year; this would be like Darrell Revis having entered last years supp and someone grabbing him. Oliver would likely have been the best CB available next April, so giving up a 3rd for him would be a wise decision. I dont think we will be in the running though as I expect someone to grab him ahead of us. Possibly New England with a 2nd rounder since they have 2 firsts next year.

[PENNSYLVANIACAT]

I would be thrilledif we were able to grab Oliver in the supplemental draft. I would feelso much better with him than Hall. I know most on here love Hall, butI'm not sold on him. I think we got a steal in the supplemental draftlast year so I say lets go back to well one more time.
I'm not sold on Hall i wanted Revis saw Hall get burnt to much and i think Oliver would be better than Hall.[:D]

I wanted Revis as well. I was hoping that we would pass on Hall andpick Michael Griffin. I hope I'm wrong, but I really think we wastedanother first rounder this year.

[Show-your-Stripes]

We won't know how Deltha does before the Supplemental draft. A person can do wonderfully in the camps, and then stink up the season.As for the supplemental draft, there's really no "falling." The way it works is this. Each team that is interested in a particular player, will put in a "bid." Say for example that San Francisco and Cincy both wanted Ahmad Brooks. Cincy bids a 3rd round pick, and SF bids a 4th, then Cincy would (and did) get Brooks.
I say we toss out a 3rd for Oliver, after all we will most likely get a 3rd rounder out of Steinbach in the form of a compensatory pick. Besides, we can trade some of the other compensatory picks to mvoe back up into the 3 or 4th round if we wanted.
Oliver seems like a good player, and he could play corner or potentially safety, and those are positions for us that still need quality depth. A good tweener will free up roster space. If it happens we'll be lucky, but I'm not expecting it to.


You can't trade compensatory picks so the only way to move is to trade your normal allotted picks and leave the compensatory picks as they were granted.

[busamboy]

This team is smart. They know that the supplemental draft is valuable. Last year we got our starting MLB in the 3rd, a guy that was supposed to be a 1st had he stayed in. People complained day after day leading up to the draft about not having a 3rd rounder, but I would gladly trade off a 3rd round pick for a guy with first round potential, not to mention the fact that they get a year in the system and would be ready to contribute as early as the next year. So instead of a 3rd round rookie, we are starting a 2nd year pro that was a 1st round caliber player. Oliver is in the same boat. He is one of the top CBs in the country and experts have him as a possible top 10 pick. If we can snap him up for a 3rd or even a 2nd it would be a good move. There will be no comparable players available in the 2nd or 3rd next year; this would be like Darrell Revis having entered last years supp and someone grabbing him. Oliver would likely have been the best CB available next April, so giving up a 3rd for him would be a wise decision. I dont think we will be in the running though as I expect someone to grab him ahead of us. Possibly New England with a 2nd rounder since they have 2 firsts next year.

I agree with this completely, but i never thought we would go for brooks last year. we will need to draft a corner next year, maybe even two. there is no way that you can argue against going with this pick with the way that deltha has turned into a turd. It kind of ***** right now that we don't have a 4th corner that is completely dependable. I would love for us to pick this guy up. We took a gamble on brooks and it seems to have paid off. besides, if we have 3 first round corners, our pass d would look spectacular with our old and newly acquired safeties. our secondary would be set for a few years, if one of them decides they want more money, we could trade any one of them for a first or second round pick. that isn't a bad deal, especially when they have played well for you. i have been looking for ways to cut deltha in hopes that someone signs him for the veteran minimal to teach him a lesson, and this is it. this will help us get depth. even coming in to camp late, he would be more polished than jojo was last year at that time. I for one would go as far as offering a second round pick. it helps us get rid of the poison in deltha and lets us have 3 great young corners. but now that people would expect us to get him, we won't. only surprises happen with the bengals front office when it comes to stuff like this

[busamboy]

everybody also knows that we love georgia defensive players.

[tailgaterbob]

i agree that we will need to draft 1-2 CB's next year.we could maybe get oliver in the supplemental draft and pick up kenny scott who was cut by tampa bay recently...can anybody tell me why he went undrafted and then gets cut.he was a three year div 1 cb going up against calvin johnson every day in practice.

[busamboy]

you really did your homework on this one, and I think you are right. We will not offer up anything more than a 4th round pick. last year, the only reason why we offered a third round pick was because an athlete like brooks is rare. (size, speed, and great instincts) While it may be hard to offer up that type of assessment to oliver. I think it would be great to have a corner a year early and not have to pay for it in the draft system til next year. Some of the later day picks sometimes are worth the risk. Didn't we draft ratliff in the second though. that dude has not lived up to his draft status. he should have been a 6th round pick. but good job on the research, i was going to look into the story a little bit more as well. probably more so to see why we aren't going to select him

[RUN.RUDI.RIGHT.]

I don't want to take a first round chance on him!!! Next year, I think that we will pick up an O lineman in the 1st...we are starting to get old there, and we need to keep it up to the way it is now. If or when Willie retires this year, we will need another AMAZING OT to keep this OLINE (the part of the team that let's us score points) AMAZING!!!

[Jom112]

We should take this guy as early as the 2nd. He shut down Calvin Johnson this past season and has been projected as a top 10 pick. Ive read that he has run in the 4.1 range which is freakish. I know a 2nd rounder would be a lot to give up, but he very well could have been the top CB a month ago which means the Leon Hall pick may have been a waste. I would figure that we cant touch him due to the fact that we have 2 1st round CBs in the last 13 monthes and that he was academically ineligible (oh no the almighty character issue). If they feel we need another top tier CB then he is by far better than anything we could get in the 2nd next year anyway. Im all for it. Also this would allow us to move Deltha in a trade and possibly get something for him maybe a 4th rounder. If we give up a 2nd or 3rd, then we would still have 3 first day picks as we are guranteed an extra 3rd due to Steinbachs enormous contract. Three young CBs would be a gamble, but we would all of a sudden have one of the fastest backfields in the league.


sounds like a good player but i would not give up more then a 3rd rounder for him..
he runs a 4.1 40? is that even possible?

Is it possible? Yes. Is it likely that's his time? H.E.L.L. NO.
I was watching something on Maurice Green the Olympic sprinter. The telecaster said that Mo Green's 100m Olympic record time translates to a 3.96-4.0, 40 Time. Now that is freakish. Although in reality the fastest Mo Green really ran was a 4.21 40.
The fastest 40 time I have ever heard of is Bo Jackson's, which was 4.12. Although his isn't official because it wasn't electronically timed.
Fabian Washington of Oakland owns the fastest official (Electronically Timed) 40 time EVER at 4.25 seconds.
Any time under 4.2 should be considered suspect. Top Olympic Sprinters are said to have times around 4.3...

[Nate513]

I don't want to take a first round chance on him!!! Next year, I think that we will pick up an O lineman in the 1st...we are starting to get old there, and we need to keep it up to the way it is now. If or when Willie retires this year, we will need another AMAZING OT to keep this OLINE (the part of the team that let's us score points) AMAZING!!!

We already have Willie replaced. If we can ink Andrews to a long term deal then he will be ready to step in as soon as Anderson retires. I see Andrews and Whitworth being big parts of this teams OL for what will hopefully be a long time to come. I think we go either LB or DL in the first next year. WR is a possibilty if Henry screws up again and TE isnt out of the question. The only way I want to see Oliver is if we spend a 3rd or maybe a 2nd seeing as how he provides depth at FS also just in case we cant sign Madieu next year seeing as how he could command top 5-10 money.

[busamboy]

We should take this guy as early as the 2nd. He shut down Calvin Johnson this past season and has been projected as a top 10 pick. Ive read that he has run in the 4.1 range which is freakish. I know a 2nd rounder would be a lot to give up, but he very well could have been the top CB a month ago which means the Leon Hall pick may have been a waste. I would figure that we cant touch him due to the fact that we have 2 1st round CBs in the last 13 monthes and that he was academically ineligible (oh no the almighty character issue). If they feel we need another top tier CB then he is by far better than anything we could get in the 2nd next year anyway. Im all for it. Also this would allow us to move Deltha in a trade and possibly get something for him maybe a 4th rounder. If we give up a 2nd or 3rd, then we would still have 3 first day picks as we are guranteed an extra 3rd due to Steinbachs enormous contract. Three young CBs would be a gamble, but we would all of a sudden have one of the fastest backfields in the league.


sounds like a good player but i would not give up more then a 3rd rounder for him..
he runs a 4.1 40? is that even possible?

Is it possible? Yes. Is it likely that's his time? H.E.L.L. NO.
I was watching something on Maurice Green the Olympic sprinter. The telecaster said that Mo Green's 100m Olympic record time translates to a 3.96-4.0, 40 Time. Now that is freakish. Although in reality the fastest Mo Green really ran was a 4.21 40.
The fastest 40 time I have ever heard of is Bo Jackson's, which was 4.12. Although his isn't official because it wasn't electronically timed.
Fabian Washington of Oakland owns the fastest official (Electronically Timed) 40 time EVER at 4.25 seconds.
Any time under 4.2 should be considered suspect. Top Olympic Sprinters are said to have times around 4.3...

Yeah, but football players are taking more supplements than olympic sprinters though. Olympic Sprinters have to almost be all natural, while we all know NFL players are far from all natural. The football players also know that they can make millions more by producing a good 40 time. They know it is imperative to be as good as or as close as possible to an olympic sprinter out of the blocks

[Jom112]

We should take this guy as early as the 2nd. He shut down Calvin Johnson this past season and has been projected as a top 10 pick. Ive read that he has run in the 4.1 range which is freakish. I know a 2nd rounder would be a lot to give up, but he very well could have been the top CB a month ago which means the Leon Hall pick may have been a waste. I would figure that we cant touch him due to the fact that we have 2 1st round CBs in the last 13 monthes and that he was academically ineligible (oh no the almighty character issue). If they feel we need another top tier CB then he is by far better than anything we could get in the 2nd next year anyway. Im all for it. Also this would allow us to move Deltha in a trade and possibly get something for him maybe a 4th rounder. If we give up a 2nd or 3rd, then we would still have 3 first day picks as we are guranteed an extra 3rd due to Steinbachs enormous contract. Three young CBs would be a gamble, but we would all of a sudden have one of the fastest backfields in the league.


sounds like a good player but i would not give up more then a 3rd rounder for him..
he runs a 4.1 40? is that even possible?

Is it possible? Yes. Is it likely that's his time? H.E.L.L. NO.
I was watching something on Maurice Green the Olympic sprinter. The telecaster said that Mo Green's 100m Olympic record time translates to a 3.96-4.0, 40 Time. Now that is freakish. Although in reality the fastest Mo Green really ran was a 4.21 40.
The fastest 40 time I have ever heard of is Bo Jackson's, which was 4.12. Although his isn't official because it wasn't electronically timed.
Fabian Washington of Oakland owns the fastest official (Electronically Timed) 40 time EVER at 4.25 seconds.
Any time under 4.2 should be considered suspect. Top Olympic Sprinters are said to have times around 4.3...

Yeah, but football players are taking more supplements than olympic sprinters though. Olympic Sprinters have to almost be all natural, while we all know NFL players are far from all natural. The football players also know that they can make millions more by producing a good 40 time. They know it is imperative to be as good as or as close as possible to an olympic sprinter out of the blocks

True, but they can still take HGH. Until recently there wasn't a test for it. And even now the test they do have isn't the best.
The other thing is that Olympic Sprinters don't run the 40, it's only a football thing. So if they trained to run only 40 yards their times might break the 4.3 second range. The only person who can probably run under a 4.2 is probably Mo Green. Although he is washed up now.
Also I should clarify my remarks above a little. Any 40 time under 4.2 is either hand timed (i.e. Bo Jackson, Darrell Green, DHall, etc...) or suspect. You can find times on the internet of people running under a 4.2 but they are all hand timed (At least that's what I found)...

[Nate513]

The slight chance of taking Oliver in the Supp has to have increased with the Joseph injury. They said he will be ready for camp but if it is a fracture of any kind it is somewhat iffy. I wouldnt be surprised to see them offer up a 3rd rounder if there is any kind of doubt about JJs return for the opener

[Jom112]

Titans seem to be the most interested in Oliver at the moment. There secondary needs the help to replace Pacman...

[Nate513]

That makes sense but they pick after us in the third so we only have to worry about them using a 2nd rounder which may be kind of steep especially if Pacman gets his suspension shortened. If we are interested at all the team I am most worried about grabbing him is the Texans. Although they may be happy with Fred Bennett I think Oliver would be the perfect guy to pair with Robinson. Pitt could be interested as well. I would like to see him here because I think it is obvious that Deltha will be gone this time next year and having 3 starter calibur CBs would be amazing for our D. Plus we would have one helluva fast secondary.

Another thing I completely forgot about is the possibility of JJ being suspended for a game or two once he settles his arrest. I am not sure he would be suspended but it is something to think about

[Jom112]

That makes sense but they pick after us in the third so we only have to worry about them using a 2nd rounder which may be kind of steep especially if Pacman gets his suspension shortened. If we are interested at all the team I am most worried about grabbing him is the Texans. Although they may be happy with Fred Bennett I think Oliver would be the perfect guy to pair with Robinson. Pitt could be interested as well. I would like to see him here because I think it is obvious that Deltha will be gone this time next year and having 3 starter calibur CBs would be amazing for our D. Plus we would have one helluva fast secondary.

Another thing I completely forgot about is the possibility of JJ being suspended for a game or two once he settles his arrest. I am not sure he would be suspended but it is something to think about

JJ is a first time offender so he shouldn't get suspended. I'm thinking he'll probably enter the drug program for the NFL like Odell did. Hopefully he'll show up and pass his tests though unlike Odell. I'm more concerned about JJ's injury than his arrest at this point.
I'm glad to hear we're picking above the Titans in the third. I wouldn't mind losing a third round pick to get this guy. I'm fairly certain we have the cap space needed to bring him in...

[Nate513]

That makes sense but they pick after us in the third so we only have to worry about them using a 2nd rounder which may be kind of steep especially if Pacman gets his suspension shortened. If we are interested at all the team I am most worried about grabbing him is the Texans. Although they may be happy with Fred Bennett I think Oliver would be the perfect guy to pair with Robinson. Pitt could be interested as well. I would like to see him here because I think it is obvious that Deltha will be gone this time next year and having 3 starter calibur CBs would be amazing for our D. Plus we would have one helluva fast secondary.

Another thing I completely forgot about is the possibility of JJ being suspended for a game or two once he settles his arrest. I am not sure he would be suspended but it is something to think about

JJ is a first time offender so he shouldn't get suspended. I'm thinking he'll probably enter the drug program for the NFL like Odell did. Hopefully he'll show up and pass his tests though unlike Odell. I'm more concerned about JJ's injury than his arrest at this point.
I'm glad to hear we're picking above the Titans in the third. I wouldn't mind losing a third round pick to get this guy. I'm fairly certain we have the cap space needed to bring him in...


Thank you finally someone pulls their head outta their................This guy is an elite talent and would be a great addition. I argued just as heard for Brooks last year on these damn boards and nobody wanted "that thug" or that "pothead" on our roster and now look where he is.

[Buckeyehitman]

I disagree, if we can get him for a 5th or 6th round, why not take a shot at him? I mean, as has been said, you can never have too many good DBs. Besides, 40 times don't measure field speed. Remember Kenny Irons ran a pretty slow 40 time but yet people say he's seldom caught from behind.
Remember we'll be getting a slew of supplemental picks this year, so whatever we give up in the supplemental, we will likely recoup with ease, as long as it is a second day pick.
I say yes, if the price is right.

[Where's Ocho Cinco?]

Yeah, he's didn't do well... but I could see a team using a low round supplental (under a 4) on him. Sure, he might be a Keiwan Ratliff, but it wouldn't be such a loss to use a 5-7 pick on him.
Interesting things about this kid though. (From ESPN)
"It's been a while since he's played and he's probably only been training hard for this [audition] for about a month," said Buffalo Bills scout Joe Haering. "So he's a little rusty."
Several clubs intrigued by Oliver's potential are expected to arrange individual workouts for him over the next few weeks.
As a starter last season, Oliver had 49 tackles, three interceptions, seven passes defensed and two sacks. In a victory over Georgia Tech, he was matched up man-to-man against Yellow Jackets' star wide receiver Calvin Johnson most of the day and limited him to two catches for 13 yards.
Again, a 5th rounder on him wouldn't be that bad, seeing as we recently have shown we'll just throw that pick away.

[cincyforever86]

west tx

i agree with your statement about saving draft picks to move up next year..and i anticipate us having a low draft pick. honestly, once the players we have now get reps and playing time together our defense wont look nearly as bad as it did at the beginning of this offseason. providing that most of the picks this year and last year pan out for us (hoping all pan out is hopeless, thats the nature of the game), the weakest point of our defense will be the line, and id love to see us move up in the draft to pick up a stellar DT as i think it is the weakest position on defense.

[Redfox]

Reverse the 1st day and 2nd day and it would be a great draft as i think we need DL and LB early in the draft.[:D]

[Buckeyehitman]

A wise man once said you can never have too many good DBs. Also it has been well documented that 40 time doesn't transfer to field time (Irons). So, if we throw out a 5th or 6th round pick for him and we get him, then bonus! Remember, we will be getting a slew of compensatory picks so whatever we cast out in an attempt for Oliver, will likely be gotten back by compensatory picks.
I say throw out a 5, 6 or 7, and who knows you might wind up with a player that can be a competent backup at CB and S.

[Where's Ocho Cinco?]

Why did you make two topics on this?

[Buckeyehitman]

I was just thinking the same thing. I was wondering why my post wasn't on the other thread.

[Buckeyehitman]

There are no sure things in the draft, particularly when we're talking about the NFL draft.
You never know what you're going to get out of this kid. He could be better than those people you named, or he could be worse. You just do not know how a person is going to respond to coaching and training. However the only way to find out is to give it a shot, and if we don't get anything out of him, then we only lost a late round pick, so it's not that big of deal anyway. If he can be trained to be at least a backup at CB or S, then he's worth the selection.
I'm not looking for Champ Bailey in the supplemental, if you are, then you're likely going to be disappointed. However, if you're looking for a serviceable young guy who could contribute as depth or on special teams, then why not roll the dice? Again, all we lose is a draft pick which will likely be replaced by a compensatory pick at this point anyway. We have the luxury to do this kind of stuff.

[bengalsdefense]

Apparently there is alot of interest from around the league on this guy so you can not put him on the PS cause someone will claim him. You have to have a roster spot for him regardless of what pick we have to give up next year . My question is who do you cut to make room for him on the 53 man roster and realistically how much playing time will he get with us already having 2 young players at that position not to mention the other players we have at DB.

[Buckeyehitman]

Who do we cut? We can cut one of the people that won't likely do well this season, or even see the field. Consider this an upgrade of depth. Besides, with so many people calling for O'Neal's head, we might have a spot open when we drop him.
Also as for playing time. Exactly when do we not have injuries? Have we ever gone through an entire year without having someone hurt? At one point last year, O'Neal was hurt. Although I trust JJ and Hall looks promising, you cannot discount that they could get hurt, and then we have Ratliff. All you have to do is toss a rock on here and you'd find someone that wants him cut. Good teams have stars, GREAT teams have depth.