Thurman, What a joke

[fixitman]

For all of you wondering why Thurman was not reinstated, this might have something to do with it.

From the Cincinnati Enquirer:
More trouble for Thurman
Suspended LB failed to report to probation officer

Suspended Cincinnati Bengals linebacker Odell Thurman violated his Hamilton County probation and must show up in court to explain why.

Court records note Thurman was on probation less than two months before he was accused of violating it.

Thurman, whose NFL career could be ended by this probation violation, must report Aug. 21 to Burlew to address the violation


Complete story:
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070801/SPT02/308010038

[Steely_J]

For all of you wondering why Thurman was not reinstated, this might have something to do with it.

From the Cincinnati Enquirer:
More trouble for Thurman
Suspended LB failed to report to probation officer

Suspended Cincinnati Bengals linebacker Odell Thurman violated his Hamilton County probation and must show up in court to explain why.

Court records note Thurman was on probation less than two months before he was accused of violating it.

Thurman, whose NFL career could be ended by this probation violation, must report Aug. 21 to Burlew to address the violation


Complete story:
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070801/SPT02/308010038


Awfully quiet around here...

[:D]

[Buckeyehitman]

That's because we're discussing it in Jungle Noise.
In any case, I won't rush to judgement on this either. The GA case against him taught us to let the story play out before judging him.
Besides, he himself said he didn't know why he wasn't reinstated. If this story is completely true, then he'd have to be an idiot to not know why. Something tells me there is more to the story.

[Joe from Florence]

Odell is a loser. Unfortunatley there are too many people (mostly bengals fans) who think he's been wrongfully punished.....I'm just so tired of the idiot i wish when he appeals the commisoner comes back and gives the idiot a lifetime ban.

[Bengals fan for years]

Odell is a loser. Unfortunatley there are too many people (mostly bengals fans) who think he's been wrongfully punished.....I'm just so tired of the idiot i wish when he appeals the commisoner comes back and gives the idiot a lifetime ban.And hopefully the same for Henry

[Shockwave]

Odell is a loser.* Unfortunatley there are too many people (mostly bengals fans) who think he's been wrongfully punished.....I'm just so tired of the idiot i wish when he appeals the commisoner comes back and gives the idiot a lifetime ban.And hopefully the same for HenryWhy because he has made sure not to do anything wrong the past half year?? Or is it because he has admitted to his mistakes and vowed to change what he did??

[Bengals fan for years]

because in my eyes what Henry did is way worse then what Odell did.

[jimbengals]

What Henry did was worse and he may still not be reinstated after his 8 game suspension

[Jom112]

Awfully quiet around here...

[:D]



If this incident actually surprised anyone then they really don't know Odell...

[Steely_J]

Odell is a loser. Unfortunatley there are too many people (mostly bengals fans) who think he's been wrongfully punished.....I'm just so tired of the idiot i wish when he appeals the commisoner comes back and gives the idiot a lifetime ban.

Wasn't it you giving Goodell he][ about this last week? Sayin' Thurman was wrongfully punished?

"He went for reinstatement last month and was told he did everything they asked him to do...

At least Goodell is keeping up with his horrible track record of having no rhyme or reason behind anything he does."

-JoeyFloey

[Jom112]

Odell is a loser. Unfortunatley there are too many people (mostly bengals fans) who think he's been wrongfully punished.....I'm just so tired of the idiot i wish when he appeals the commisoner comes back and gives the idiot a lifetime ban.

Wasn't it you giving Goodell he][ about this last week? Sayin' Thurman was wrongfully punished?

"He went for reinstatement last month and was told he did everything they asked him to do...

At least Goodell is keeping up with his horrible track record of having no rhyme or reason behind anything he does."

-JoeyFloey (http://192.168.1.162/forums/permalink/221310/221443/ShowThread.aspx#221443)

Joe actually changed his tune way before this information broke (Check Jungle Noise). You can't really blame anyone for a knee jerk reaction to news such as that. I think everyone was angry with Goodell at first...

[Bengals fan for years]

Odell is a loser. Unfortunatley there are too many people (mostly bengals fans) who think he's been wrongfully punished.....I'm just so tired of the idiot i wish when he appeals the commisoner comes back and gives the idiot a lifetime ban.

Wasn't it you giving Goodell he][ about this last week? Sayin' Thurman was wrongfully punished?

"He went for reinstatement last month and was told he did everything they asked him to do...

At least Goodell is keeping up with his horrible track record of having no rhyme or reason behind anything he does."

-JoeyFloey (http://192.168.1.162/forums/permalink/221310/221443/ShowThread.aspx#221443)
I am still upset with goodell's decision but only because all the names that keep coming up should all get the same punishment. If you want to make millions a year keep out of trouble otherwise see ya.
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[Steely_J]

Odell is a loser. Unfortunatley there are too many people (mostly bengals fans) who think he's been wrongfully punished.....I'm just so tired of the idiot i wish when he appeals the commisoner comes back and gives the idiot a lifetime ban.

Wasn't it you giving Goodell he][ about this last week? Sayin' Thurman was wrongfully punished?

"He went for reinstatement last month and was told he did everything they asked him to do...

At least Goodell is keeping up with his horrible track record of having no rhyme or reason behind anything he does."

-JoeyFloey (http://192.168.1.162/forums/permalink/221310/221443/ShowThread.aspx#221443)

Joe actually changed his tune way before this information broke (Check Jungle Noise). You can't really blame anyone for a knee jerk reaction to news such as that. I think everyone was angry with Goodell at first...


Gotchya... but I'll still give him crap about it. [H]

I don't go into Jungle Noise much. I posted something there once and got this PM from some geek with a crackerjack police badge talking about the intergrity of the board and blah blah blah.. basiclly crying about how they only want Bengals fans to post there.

So I say let the babies have their bottle and stay out. [;)]

[Joe from Florence]

Odell is a loser. Unfortunatley there are too many people (mostly bengals fans) who think he's been wrongfully punished.....I'm just so tired of the idiot i wish when he appeals the commisoner comes back and gives the idiot a lifetime ban.

Wasn't it you giving Goodell he][ about this last week? Sayin' Thurman was wrongfully punished?

"He went for reinstatement last month and was told he did everything they asked him to do...

At least Goodell is keeping up with his horrible track record of having no rhyme or reason behind anything he does."

-JoeyFloey (http://192.168.1.162/forums/permalink/221310/221443/ShowThread.aspx#221443)

yes i was giving goodell he|| last week....it was because of no explanation....after i slept on it and did my own little research and figured out the only way Odell could of gotten a years suspension last year he had to be in stage 3 of the substance abuse program which means at least 3 failed tests and probably 4.....I'm still not a goodell fan because there seems to be no rhyme or reason to his suspensions....but i am also fed up with Odell and hate to see all the fans hold out hope for a guy who is dumber than a rock and will do nothing but constitently let them down again and again.
I also am one who once he says something isn't stubborn enough to never change his mind if he finds he is wrong....and i changed my stance on odell after i thought about the entire situation.....i can admit when i was wrong.

[JS-Steelerfan]

yes i was giving goodell he|| last week....it was because of no explanation....after i slept on it and did my own little research and figured out the only way Odell could of gotten a years suspension last year he had to be in stage 3 of the substance abuse program which means at least 3 failed tests and probably 4.....I'm still not a goodell fan because there seems to be no rhyme or reason to his suspensions....but i am also fed up with Odell and hate to see all the fans hold out hope for a guy who is dumber than a rock and will do nothing but constitently let them down again and again. I also am one who once he says something isn't stubborn enough to never change his mind if he finds he is wrong....and i changed my stance on odell after i thought about the entire situation.....i can admit when i was wrong.

That's a trait that'll come in handy at the end of the season ...

[Buckeyehitman]

yes i was giving goodell he|| last week....it was because of no explanation....after i slept on it and did my own little research and figured out the only way Odell could of gotten a years suspension last year he had to be in stage 3 of the substance abuse program which means at least 3 failed tests and probably 4.....I'm still not a goodell fan because there seems to be no rhyme or reason to his suspensions....but i am also fed up with Odell and hate to see all the fans hold out hope for a guy who is dumber than a rock and will do nothing but constitently let them down again and again. I also am one who once he says something isn't stubborn enough to never change his mind if he finds he is wrong....and i changed my stance on odell after i thought about the entire situation.....i can admit when i was wrong.

That's a trait that'll come in handy at the end of the season ...

HA HA HA HA HA..........you're a botard.

[CalSteeler]

You notice none of the whiney hairpullers from the other Odell thread are posting in here. They mewled and whimpered about the decision for hours and now none of them will come in here and admit they supported an idiot who screwed them and their team over with his irresponsible behavior.

That's OK, I'll be happy to remind them when I see them next.

Here's the thread for endless laughs.

[The Bat]

Unfortunately it seems that if Odell's brains were dynamite it wouldn't be enough to blow his nose. I say good riddance. Coaches want players who want to be on the field and Odell clearly has his mind elsewhere.

I hear the CFL calling his name...

[Whatever]

Well,personally,if Thurman's too stupid check in with his parole officer,he deserves another year. I would call this a legitimate reason for him to not be reinstated. I still,however,stand by my comments about other players in the NFL getting off comparitively light,but I will say that Goodell acted appropriately in this case.

[rhinocero23]

Odell is a tool...however I do think that the comish needs to clearly outline the progressive disipline program, and be fair firm and consistant with it. The 1-2-3 stage thing is total BS. I mean give me a break, some of these first time ofenders (first time being caught of coarse) using roids or worse are truly a cancer to the game. The comish needs to grow a set and have the same tough luv for all the boys...aka Joey Porter (first timer ha!)

[Cobra Commander]

Like I said in Jungle Noise and on another board, I doubt this has anything to do with Goodell's decision. The complaint was filed on July 30th. Something is strange about the complaint filed too. His name is spelled wrong, and the name of his city is spelled not even close to what it really is.

I'm not going to rush to judgement until we know the full story. Does everybody already forget what happened with Chris Henry and his supposed failed drug test?

[CalSteeler]

Odell is a tool...however I do think that the comish needs to clearly outline the progressive disipline program, and be fair firm and consistant with it. The 1-2-3 stage thing is total BS. I mean give me a break, some of these first time ofenders (first time being caught of coarse) using roids or worse are truly a cancer to the game. The comish needs to grow a set and have the same tough luv for all the boys...aka Joey Porter (first timer ha!)


I'm almost getting tired of typing this to the clueless masses. Odell is supended under the substance abuse policy, not the personal conduct policy. Odell's suspension has absolutely nothing to do with Pacmans, Tanks, or Henry's. They have nothing in common and any comparison of the two policies is both stupid and pointless.


I wish you people would get a clue before spouting off.

[RicksaMilCop]

If Odell has met all the requirements of his suspension, then he should be reinstated. If not, crap can him. I think there is enough talent on this team to carry them. Obviously, Odell did not meet the requirements of his suspension, or he would have been reinstated. Either way, I am certain meeting with his parole officer, on the required day, was a part of his suspension terms. Which he did not meet. By the way Odell, I would like an apple pie wit dat.

[rhinocero23]

Calsteeler, I couldn't give a rats arse how tired you are getting of typing pointless posts...it doesn't change how I view the program. Please note I list it as a program because it should be a single program. To spilt hairs between code of conduct and substance abuse is a fools way to manage a group of people. Do you believe that substance abuse is not a conduct problem?? I point only to the amount of players arrested or suspendend as the evidence of a failed program. Do you have a counterpoint to that? No I do not think so.I see you are very impressed with your ability to regurgitate the broken system and for that I applaude your post as boring as it may be. However I did not ask for an explanation of the current flawed program I just stated my vision of a better soultion.

[CalSteeler]

I couldn't give a rats arse how tired you are getting of typing pointless posts...it doesn't change how I view the program. Please note I list it as a program because it should be a single program. To spilt hairs between code of conduct and substance abuse is a fools way to manage a group of people. Do you believe that substance abuse is not a conduct problem?? I point only to the amout of players arrested or suspendend as the evidence of a failed program. Do you have a counterpoint to that? No I do not think so.I see you are very impressed with your ability to regurgitate the broken system and for that I applaude your post as boring as it may be. However I did not ask for an explanation of the current flawed program I just stated my vision of a better soultion.

Yeah I do have a couter-point sub-genius. The amount of suspended players has absolutely no bearing on the policy that suspends them or it's validity. There are thousands of murderers in this country, does that mean that making murder illegal was pointless?

Substance abuse is not a personal conduct issue in this sense because the substance abuse polcy has existed far longer and has clearely defined levels of involvement and stages of punishment. It's worked very well for years and we're only hearing about it now because whiney little turds like yourself are upset that your boy Odell got dealt with.

The personal conduct policy was created to address behavior that did not already fall under the substance abuse policy. They didn't combine them because the substance abuse policy, as already stated, was clearly defined and well implemented. The conduct policy covers a much wider range of behavior and thus, by it's very nature, eludes such easy categorization. You can't make hard and fast rules for a policy that covers such a wide range of potential behaviors and actions. The current policy is in it's infancy so it's bound to be inconsistent at times as it goes through it's growing pains. That doesn't mean the commish shouldn't keep trying or that he should stop addressing the problem, no matter how much whiney crybabies like you huff and puff.

Your "version" of a better solution consisted of a single sentence stating

"The comish needs to grow a set and have the same tough luv for all the boys...aka Joey Porter (first timer ha!)"

Quite the policy maker you are. How you didn't get the commish job is a mystery that will never be solved.

I hope that clears things up for you a bit, but judging by the quality of your posts you can't be very smart so I doubt it does. I could write it in crayon and put a scratch and sniff sticker in the corner for you but the internets won't let me, maybe you could give me your mailing address?

[Steely_J]

Calsteeler, I couldn't give a rats arse how tired you are getting of typing pointless posts...it doesn't change how I view the program. Please note I list it as a program because it should be a single program. To spilt hairs between code of conduct and substance abuse is a fools way to manage a group of people. Do you believe that substance abuse is not a conduct problem?? I point only to the amount of players arrested or suspendend as the evidence of a failed program. Do you have a counterpoint to that? No I do not think so.I see you are very impressed with your ability to regurgitate the broken system and for that I applaude your post as boring as it may be. However I did not ask for an explanation of the current flawed program I just stated my vision of a better soultion.

Regurgitate v

Applaud v

Split Hairs v

Cliché wannabe "higher than thou" intellectual noob smack... v

[rhinocero23]

Wow cal, that was weak. You got to come better than that! You want my address lol...I will tell you what tough guy...IM me and I will give it to you. And only a true idiot would make this statement "The amount of suspended players has absolutely no bearing on the policy that suspends them or it's validity. There are thousands of murderers in this country, does that mean that making murder illegal was pointless? What then my silly little toad would be the reasoning for the policy if not to have a bearing on the behavior of those governed by it. You really showed your neanderthal sized cerebrum with the murder comparison...lmfao! You are the turd my boy...either come strong or go home.
And Just for you steely I added a few words from my vocabulary builder that I have been listing to this evening...I did not realize it was such an aphrodisiac for you.

[BengalBubbs81]

Calsteeler, I couldn't give a rats arse how tired you are getting of typing pointless posts...it doesn't change how I view the program. Please note I list it as a program because it should be a single program. To spilt hairs between code of conduct and substance abuse is a fools way to manage a group of people. Do you believe that substance abuse is not a conduct problem?? I point only to the amount of players arrested or suspendend as the evidence of a failed program. Do you have a counterpoint to that? No I do not think so.I see you are very impressed with your ability to regurgitate the broken system and for that I applaude your post as boring as it may be. However I did not ask for an explanation of the current flawed program I just stated my vision of a better soultion.

Regurgitate v

Applaud v

Split Hairs v

Cliché wannabe "higher than thou" intellectual noob smack... v



Regurgitate....Applaud......Split Hairs, cliche intellectual noob smack? That's just typical english in these parts but probably seems "higher than thou" to yinz. [:D]

[34inXXIII]

You can't make hard and fast rules for a policy that covers such a wide range of potential behaviors and actions. The current policy is in it's infancy so it's bound to be inconsistent at times as it goes through it's growing pains. That doesn't mean the commish shouldn't keep trying or that he should stop addressing the problem

This sums up the very argument I've made in here for quite some time (and probably didn't state nearly as well as this). Well said, Cal.

[CalSteeler]

Wow cal, that was weak. You got to come better than that! You want my address lol...I will tell you what tough guy...IM me and I will give it to you. And only a true idiot would make this statement "The amount of suspended players has absolutely no bearing on the policy that suspends them or it's validity. There are thousands of murderers in this country, does that mean that making murder illegal was pointless? What then my silly little toad would be the reasoning for the policy if not to have a bearing on the behavior of those governed by it. You really showed your neanderthal sized cerebrum with the murder comparison...lmfao! You are the turd my boy...either come strong or go home.
And Just for you steely I added a few words from my vocabulary builder that I have been listing to this evening...I did not realize it was such an aphrodisiac for you.



Really? That's the best response you could come up with? I offered up a cogent logical argument to your obviously asshated statement and this is the answer? You obviously failed to comprehend a fraction of what I posted. Further argument would be like trying to teach Euclidian geometry to down syndrome children.

Seriously that was the equivalent of rebutting the Gettysburg Address with a fart.

[CalSteeler]

You can't make hard and fast rules for a policy that covers such a wide range of potential behaviors and actions. The current policy is in it's infancy so it's bound to be inconsistent at times as it goes through it's growing pains. That doesn't mean the commish shouldn't keep trying or that he should stop addressing the problem

This sums up the very argument I've made in here for quite some time (and probably didn't state nearly as well as this). Well said, Cal.


Thanks 34, I guess we'll keep trying to make headway against a sea of idiocy.

[Steely_J]

Calsteeler, I couldn't give a rats arse how tired you are getting of typing pointless posts...it doesn't change how I view the program. Please note I list it as a program because it should be a single program. To spilt hairs between code of conduct and substance abuse is a fools way to manage a group of people. Do you believe that substance abuse is not a conduct problem?? I point only to the amount of players arrested or suspendend as the evidence of a failed program. Do you have a counterpoint to that? No I do not think so.I see you are very impressed with your ability to regurgitate the broken system and for that I applaude your post as boring as it may be. However I did not ask for an explanation of the current flawed program I just stated my vision of a better soultion.

Regurgitate v

Applaud v

Split Hairs v

Cliché wannabe "higher than thou" intellectual noob smack... v



Regurgitate....Applaud......Split Hairs, cliche intellectual noob smack? That's just typical english in these parts but probably seems "higher than thou" to yinz. [:D]



Sigh... of course they're words.. you missed th- just never mind...

Do I comment on your stupidity, or is it just so obvious that it smacks itself? Decisions, decisions..

[Union Man]

For all of you wondering why Thurman was not reinstated, this might have something to do with it.

From the Cincinnati Enquirer:
More trouble for Thurman
Suspended LB failed to report to probation officer

Suspended Cincinnati Bengals linebacker Odell Thurman violated his Hamilton County probation and must show up in court to explain why.

Court records note Thurman was on probation less than two months before he was accused of violating it.

Thurman, whose NFL career could be ended by this probation violation, must report Aug. 21 to Burlew to address the violation


Complete story:
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070801/SPT02/308010038


Awfully quiet around here...

[:D]



I for one said after the suspension extention that I'd wait to pass judgement on Goodell and Thurman until after hearing the whole story. I'm not sure I've heard the whole story yet either, so I will continue to wait. If what is printed is entirely true then the boy has definite problems with keeping appointments. You'd think after the missed drug test he'd understand that this type of behavior has a way of catching up to you. How'd he ever make it to practice on time?

[EatonBengalsFan]

Who Dey People!.

[EatonBengalsFan]

http://192.168.1.162/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif rhinocero23:
Odell is a tool...however I do think that the comish needs to clearly outline the progressive disipline program, and be fair firm and consistant with it. The 1-2-3 stage thing is total BS. I mean give me a break, some of these first time ofenders (first time being caught of coarse) using roids or worse are truly a cancer to the game. The comish needs to grow a set and have the same tough luv for all the boys...aka Joey Porter (first timer ha!)



"I'm almost getting tired of typing this to the clueless masses. Odell is supended under the substance abuse policy, not the personal conduct policy. Odell's suspension has absolutely nothing to do with Pacmans, Tanks, or Henry's. They have nothing in common and any comparison of the two policies is both stupid and pointless.

I wish you people would get a clue before spouting off." -- CalSteeler


They do have something in common... they are both disciplinary policies of the NFL. Yes, we can compare them. One is being applied with an iron fist and the other is not... by the same person. Now if you can't compare that, then what can you compare?

I have a clue, it's you who do not. These policies should be more similar, than dissimilar.

[Rayne]

For all of you wondering why Thurman was not reinstated, this might have something to do with it.

From the Cincinnati Enquirer:
More trouble for Thurman
Suspended LB failed to report to probation officer

Suspended Cincinnati Bengals linebacker Odell Thurman violated his Hamilton County probation and must show up in court to explain why.

Court records note Thurman was on probation less than two months before he was accused of violating it.

Thurman, whose NFL career could be ended by this probation violation, must report Aug. 21 to Burlew to address the violation


Complete story:
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070801/SPT02/308010038

Not the point, really. I was upset by his suspension because:
1) No one told us why! Look around the league.....felon plays with guns - 8 games. Pacman gone a year for umpteysquat arrests.........Henry for 8.........Michael "Puppy love" Vick just told not to attend practice.
2) It seems that there is no yardstick the commish uses for punishment. If you're going to suspend Henry for 8 games for 4 arrests, and Pacman for a year for his garbage - Tank should have gotten a year as well. Vick should have been suspended for the year.

[deviant]

For all of you wondering why Thurman was not reinstated, this might have something to do with it.

From the Cincinnati Enquirer:
More trouble for Thurman
Suspended LB failed to report to probation officer

Suspended Cincinnati Bengals linebacker Odell Thurman violated his Hamilton County probation and must show up in court to explain why.

Court records note Thurman was on probation less than two months before he was accused of violating it.

Thurman, whose NFL career could be ended by this probation violation, must report Aug. 21 to Burlew to address the violation


Complete story:
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070801/SPT02/308010038

Not the point, really. I was upset by his suspension because:
1) No one told us why! Look around the league.....felon plays with guns - 8 games. Pacman gone a year for umpteysquat arrests.........Henry for 8.........Michael "Puppy love" Vick just told not to attend practice.
2) It seems that there is no yardstick the commish uses for punishment. If you're going to suspend Henry for 8 games for 4 arrests, and Pacman for a year for his garbage - Tank should have gotten a year as well. Vick should have been suspended for the year.

But see, Ghost... There ya go again using logic, and common sense. You just go ahead and think the commish (wasn't there a show with Michael Chiklis by this title??) will do things with a rhyme or reason.

I have come to believe that his mind is being controlled by aliens... perhaps he could benefit from one of these...http://www.stopabductions.com/
I have one, and have had no further problems... I think we could benefit from using these league wide. I mean, Brett Favre may finally make sense once he puts one of those puppies on.

[Joe from Florence]

They do have something in common... they are both disciplinary policies of the NFL. Yes, we can compare them. One is being applied with an iron fist and the other is not... by the same person. Now if you can't compare that, then what can you compare?

I have a clue, it's you who do not. These policies should be more similar, than dissimilar.

actually eaton...they are different and i'll explain why. The Substance Abuse policy has already been written and have been used for quite sometime. It explains what a player does to even be entered into the program and goes thru each phase 1 through 3 of what a player has to do to reach each stage and also states what the punishment for each stage can be.....it is all written out in black and white and there are no grey areas.
The personal conduct policy is something being written as we speak....it has no set punishments yet for which type of activities a player is involved in. It doesn't state stages or phases of the personal conduct policy yet and what requirements are made to the players who fall into this policy.
That is the difference in the 2. They are not the same simply because one, the substance abuse policy, states what the punishments are for violations in each stage or phase and what is expected of the player to conform to the policy and meet his requirements etc. The conduct policy does not at this point which is why we question punishments handed down sometimes.

[deviant]

They do have something in common... they are both disciplinary policies of the NFL. Yes, we can compare them. One is being applied with an iron fist and the other is not... by the same person. Now if you can't compare that, then what can you compare?

I have a clue, it's you who do not. These policies should be more similar, than dissimilar.

actually eaton...they are different and i'll explain why. The Substance Abuse policy has already been written and have been used for quite sometime. It explains what a player does to even be entered into the program and goes thru each phase 1 through 3 of what a player has to do to reach each stage and also states what the punishment for each stage can be.....it is all written out in black and white and there are no grey areas.
The personal conduct policy is something being written as we speak....it has no set punishments yet for which type of activities a player is involved in. It doesn't state stages or phases of the personal conduct policy yet and what requirements are made to the players who fall into this policy.
That is the difference in the 2. They are not the same simply because one, the substance abuse policy, states what the punishments are for violations in each stage or phase and what is expected of the player to conform to the policy and meet his requirements etc. The conduct policy does not at this point which is why we question punishments handed down sometimes.

On a serious note... I think these rules need a clause that makes things more situational. BEcause one size fits all doesn't work when it comes to substance abuse.
I think the rule as it is designed now, is more about punishment than it is about rehabilitation. I know it shouldn't be the leagues responsibility to rehabilitate players... but the way they used to just turn their backs on this kind of thing (Lawerence "OG, LT" Taylor, Michael "snowy nose" Irvin) to the way they are acting on it now (which seems to me, recently they are just enforcing age old policies).
I mean, Michael Irvin missed how many tests, and failed how many more. (there wasn't nearly as much privacy back in those days either)... and now he is getting enshrined in canton.
That just goes to show ya that even the most hopeless of people can turn it around... but that isn't always the case either (Darryl Strawberry... speaking of shameful wastes of natural talent). Like I said, a more case by case way of handling these problems (maybe personal conduct and substance abuse should be part of the same program) I think may end up turning more lives around, and in the end even saving some lives.

I think we have two different sides of the spectrum now with the way Chris Henry has turned things around... and is definitely loved and nurtured by his team mates and coaches. To Odell... I think getting him back on the field may help him... but he may not have another chance, I doubt the NFLPA will step in now (they seem to be turning a blind eye to a lot of these things now, even though they are supposed to help protect these people) that Odell has a probation violation. I am truly surprised they haven't stepped in for Tank Johnson (being cut for a false report of a DUI... which even if it was true by the CBA the NFLPA wrote is against the rules to cut a player for personal conduct).
I think we are seeing the democracy that was once in the proceedings of the NFL and their day to day operations slip away. Goodell is turning this into a dictatorship quickly, rather than being a commisioner... Goodell will end up getting even more absolute power basically because he will scare people into giving it to him (A scene from Star Wars Epsiode 3 is coming to mind... only Goodell hasn't been scarred from his own knowledge and use of the force... yet)

[34inXXIII]

As Joe mentioned just a couple of posts ago and I saw someone else elaborate on quite effectively in another thread recently, the personal conduct policy is very much in its infancy and is still very fluid. Of course it would be nice if they could set some nice, clean formulas to dictate punishment in regards to this policy, but that's going to be no easy task with so many variables involved.

How do you have those who have solely been accused of illegal activity or even just associating with those who are involved in illegal activity, if at all? In regard to the Vick situation, I frequently see people in here bring up the water bottle incident in the airport. Do we factor scenarios like that into this formula?

How do you handle players who have simply been charged of criminal activity? Do you differentiate between felonies and misdemeanors? What if there are multiple charges? How about factoring in who brings the charges - for example, some local law enforcement as opposed to a federal indictment? And what about dropped charges?
How do you handle plea agreements? Would that be different than a straight guilty plea and would that be viewed differently than a guilty verdict? Once someone is actually determined to guilty of charges against him, is the severity of the crime factored in? Is it as simple as differentiating between felonies and misdemeanors or are some felonies going to result in greater penalties than other felonies?
How to civil cases work into this matter? Once again, do the severity of the civil charges have a bearing on the penalty?
After all of that, how do you handle repeat offenders? Does each incident get handled independent of the others or is there some kind of "multiplier" assesed to the penalty of those who have previously run afoul of the policy? Then again, is each and every charge levied against an individual considered a separate violation of the policy or continued criminal activity over an extended period of time? For example, I saw some in here claim each of the 6 gun charges Johnson faced for each of the 6 illegal guns found in his home - later reduced to a single charge - should be counted separately. Likewise, I've seen others insist Vick is a repeat offender because his dogfighting charges allegedly span multiple occurances over a 7-year period.Yeah, a formula for handling these cases would be fantastic. Until someone provides one - not that there wouldn't be complaints about that formula even if they had one - I believe the league is being sincere in it's effort to clean up the league. Certainly not perfect, necessarily, but sincere. I can only hope that there is a learning curve that will continue to improve this policy over time.

[CalSteeler]

They do have something in common... they are both disciplinary policies of the NFL. Yes, we can compare them. One is being applied with an iron fist and the other is not... by the same person. Now if you can't compare that, then what can you compare?

I have a clue, it's you who do not. These policies should be more similar, than dissimilar.


I've already addressed this and why you're 100% wrong in this very thread. It's not my fault you didn't bother reading the thing before posting in it.

[kdubdj]

why doesnt everyone just let it go. i was about the biggest thurman supporter you are going to find and still am. He hasnt been proven guilty of anything yet! Do u think he would have bothered to file for reinstatement if he deliberatly skipped a probation appointment? doesnt make too much sense to me. Everyone just needs to chill. Why do us fans have to knit-pick and analyze what pro atheletes do off the field? It is just like all the paris hilton/lohan crap......WHO CARES! it doesnt affect our lives.
I think charles barkley said it best..... "I am not a role model for your kids."
dont look for the any pro sports athelete to be your kids role model. they arent anything different than you or I. Let the law take care of the law-breakers and keep the NFL commissioner out of this stuff.
look at the bad things that come out of the nfl being involved. Tank johnsons was cut from the bears before they even got results of his blood tox. so what did they cut him for?
Let the cops deal with them. Pointing out every players faults is really the biggest reason for all the storys now. It is isnt the action itself, it is all the media hype around each situation. That is what is making the NFL look bad.