breakdown the 8 possibilities in the 1st round.

[harmooniee1993]

1. Glenn Dorsey DT - IN MY DREAM. 0% :wacko:

2. D- Mac - not possible. 0%

3. Chris Long DE - Pass. 1% :huh:

4. Sedrick Ellis DT - sexy pick, but most likely would be a top8 prospect. too bad bengals beat the browns and they will beat the dolphinsas well. But we still hope Ellis can still be on the draftboard when its our turn. 10%

5. James Laurinaitis ILB - Underclass man, great leadership which we need on Defense. Not quite sure if he's going to the draft, but love him! The thing is the stupid Pats might take him before us if he's going to the draft. i would love to see him in stripe. Top10 propect, again... 20%

6. Keith Rivers OLB - He's probably going to be our next guy. Yes he is undersize, but year after year prove that SIZE DONT MATTER. he wont be a top10 pick but he deserve it. I think he is going to GREAT. LOVE HIM! 60%

7. John Carlson TE - who knows if the stupid managers gone crazy again. 5%

8. Rest top30 LB and D-Line - 4%

KEIT RIVERS, WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE.

[OneTwistedGamer]

1. Glenn Dorsey DT - IN MY DREAM. 0% :wacko:

2. D- Mac - not possible. 0%

3. Chris Long DE - Pass. 1% :huh:

4. Sedrick Ellis DT - sexy pick, but most likely would be a top8 prospect. too bad bengals beat the browns and they will beat the dolphinsas well. But we still hope Ellis can still be on the draftboard when its our turn. 10%

5. James Laurinaitis ILB - Underclass man, great leadership which we need on Defense. Not quite sure if he's going to the draft, but love him! The thing is the stupid Pats might take him before us if he's going to the draft. i would love to see him in stripe. Top10 propect, again... 20%

6. Keith Rivers OLB - He's probably going to be our next guy. Yes he is undersize, but year after year prove that SIZE DONT MATTER. he wont be a top10 pick but he deserve it. I think he is going to GREAT. LOVE HIM! 60%

7. John Carlson TE - who knows if the stupid managers gone crazy again. 5%

8. Rest top30 LB and D-Line - 4%

KEIT RIVERS, WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE.

Well first off you can not say 0% there is always a chance. I bet you everybody thought Arron Rodgers had a 0% chance of going to Green Bay but that happened.

I agree that Chris Long is a small chance but i would give him more of a 5% chance.

I believe Dorsey will slide to about the 5th pick causing Ellis to slide so Ellis could slide to us so i would give it more of a 35% chance.

The Little Animal i would say wouldbe more like 10% just because we do not know if he will declare but he did declare i would say its about a 20%.

Keith Rivers i would say very little chance maybe like 20%. The only way we draft him is if we trade down.

[DCBengalFreak]

1. Glenn Dorsey DT - IN MY DREAM. 0% :wacko:

2. D- Mac - not possible. 0%

3. Chris Long DE - Pass. 1% :huh:

4. Sedrick Ellis DT - sexy pick, but most likely would be a top8 prospect. too bad bengals beat the browns and they will beat the dolphinsas well. But we still hope Ellis can still be on the draftboard when its our turn. 10%

5. James Laurinaitis ILB - Underclass man, great leadership which we need on Defense. Not quite sure if he's going to the draft, but love him! The thing is the stupid Pats might take him before us if he's going to the draft. i would love to see him in stripe. Top10 propect, again... 20%

6. Keith Rivers OLB - He's probably going to be our next guy. Yes he is undersize, but year after year prove that SIZE DONT MATTER. he wont be a top10 pick but he deserve it. I think he is going to GREAT. LOVE HIM! 60%

7. John Carlson TE - who knows if the stupid managers gone crazy again. 5%

8. Rest top30 LB and D-Line - 4%

KEIT RIVERS, WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE.

I'm just hoping that after the draft it is Sedrick Ellis - 100%. He is a stud DT, which would fill the team's biggest need. If he's there when we pick, we have to take him. Nothing else would make sense.

If Ellis isn't there, I'm hoping we trade down a little and pick up an extra pick or two. Can you imagine going down to the middle to lower part of the round, and picking up an extra second and third.

[Eleden]

I would love to have Sedrick Ellis or Vernon Ghoulston.

[bill_rollins]

I for one doubt's this happens but my top pick for the first round if he declares would be Vernon Gholdston.

[lost33cause]

If we don't end up with Dorsey, Gholston, Ellis, or Little Animal ill be bitter =\

[zanetdaniels]

IF we do draft a Tight End in the first couple rounds...I believe it should be Travis Beckum if he declares, he probably won't, but he is the best TE in the nation in my opinion. He is going to be a stud!

[true fan]

big vern not ellis he is a quick under size dt thats all we've had

[true fan]

Sedrick Ellis

Class:
Senior

Hometown:
Chino, Calif.

High School:
Chino HS

Height / Weight:

6-1 / 285 very under size
Position:
DT

Experience:
1V

[OneTwistedGamer]

Sedrick Ellis

Class:
Senior

Hometown:
Chino, Calif.

High School:
Chino HS

Height / Weight:
very under size
Position:
DT

Experience:
1V

Yes he is kind of small you can not do anything about his height but he is only a inch shorter than Glenn. He has room to gain a few pounds and he only needs to gain like 15 pounds. I do have to say i hate how undersized he is but he not Thorton.

[DCBengalFreak]

If we don't end up with Dorsey, Gholston, Ellis, or Little Animal ill be bitter =\

Me too, unless we make a smart move and trade down. Or I fall in love with some other DT before the draft that I feel will be the next great thing. We simply need to pick up a DT early, and probably another one late.

[Turk88]

I'm just hoping that after the draft it is Sedrick Ellis - 100%. He is a stud DT, which would fill the team's biggest need. If he's there when we pick, we have to take him. Nothing else would make sense.

If Ellis isn't there, I'm hoping we trade down a little and pick up an extra pick or two. Can you imagine going down to the middle to lower part of the round, and picking up an extra second and third.


Ellis is not that impressive and will be to small. He is not going to be make a huge impact with teams that have O lineman over 290.

Plus he is a 3 technique 1 gapper. This will not fit well with our D.

Me too, unless we make a smart move and trade down. Or I fall in love with some other DT before the draft that I feel will be the next great thing. We simply need to pick up a DT early, and probably another one late.


There really isn't a DL other than Vhernon that I can see us getting that would make a good impact right away. He benches 455 and is very fast.

I do believe he will be gone by the time we pick if he decides to declare, which I believe he will.

[DCBengalFreak]

Ellis is not that impressive and will be to small. He is not going to be make a huge impact with teams that have O lineman over 290.

Plus he is a 3 technique 1 gapper. This will not fit well with our D.




There really isn't a DL other than Vhernon that I can see us getting that would make a good impact right away. He benches 455 and is very fast.

I do believe he will be gone by the time we pick if he decides to declare, which I believe he will.

I just don't think vernon would do anything without some kind of DT in the middle who knows what a football is. You may be right that he would be the best draft choice of what is available, but we have to find some help at DT or we're going nowhere again next year, and it doesn't matter if Buddy Ryan himself is the DC.

[Turk88]

I just don't think vernon would do anything without some kind of DT in the middle who knows what a football is. You may be right that he would be the best draft choice of what is available, but we have to find some help at DT or we're going nowhere again next year, and it doesn't matter if Buddy Ryan himself is the DC.



and you think takign a weak DT will solve the problem?? I think we should take Vernon if he is available because I don't see a solid DT in this draft that is big enough or quick enough to make a difference.

[franchise]

If we don't end up with Dorsey, Gholston, Ellis, or Little Animal ill be bitter =\

my same list is dorsey, ellis, long, and gholston. If it's not one of those ill be disappointed.

Some might say that its not worth having dorsey and long on our radar at all, but a lot of things can change after the combine and its possible one could drop a bit, especially long. DEs have to be a freak anymore to get drafted that high.

[DooDooMagoo]

and you think takign a weak DT will solve the problem?? I think we should take Vernon if he is available because I don't see a solid DT in this draft that is big enough or quick enough to make a difference.

Im definitley on the gholston train if he is there mid first round.. the guy is physical, strong, quick, and can play the run or pass.. he would be a nice compliment opposite of geathers..

[bengalfan9]

I would like to see us have a more dynamic RB maybe a Tashard Choice what are your thoughts on him

[franchise]

Choice isnt really what I'd call dynamic.

I would say go after felix jones, but we just picked irons last year.

As for gholston and geathers together, boy that would be intimidating. I know geathers had a down year, but that would finally give us a competent set of pass rushers (and 2 of the most ripped guys in the league)

[bengalfan9]

I know the guy went crazy but any news on Tommy Blake from TCU the mans a beast on the field:tiger:

[mshiel7]

my same list is dorsey, ellis, long, and gholston. If it's not one of those ill be disappointed.

Some might say that its not worth having dorsey and long on our radar at all, but a lot of things can change after the combine and its possible one could drop a bit, especially long. DEs have to be a freak anymore to get drafted that high.

I'm in agreement with that list at the moment. I've a feeling Gholston will but on such a show in the workouts he could move ahead of Long on most draft boards.

[TwoADay]

If people are mentioning people who haven't declared yet, why no mention of Campbell (DE Miami). I think he could be a better prospect than Gholston, primarilly because he could get bigger, and stay a DE in a 3-4 scheme.

[mwindle]

and you think takign a weak DT will solve the problem?? I think we should take Vernon if he is available because I don't see a solid DT in this draft that is big enough or quick enough to make a difference.

Correct! We have to get a DT in free agency because there will not be a good enough one left by the time we pick.

[true fan]

#13 12-28-2007, 01:40 PM
DCBengalFreak
I just don't think vernon would do anything without some kind of DT in the middle who knows what a football is. You may be right that he would be the best draft choice of what is available, but we have to find some help at DT or we're going nowhere again next year, and it doesn't matter if Buddy Ryan himself is the DC.
look this is why we get a big boy in the 2nd round or sign or trade for a runstuffer and as far as Campbell DE Miami he is still very inconsistant he has a great package for as size and athletic abilties but to inconsistant VERNON on the othere hand is dependable and he may not have Campbells size but his motor, strenght and speed not to mention pure desire to kill a qb and he is very athletic as well

[Scott M]

I've pretty much watched the Bengals from their begining and I've got to agree that they need big, strong D tackles, that stop the run and don't get pushed backward! I don't care what they run the 40 in, long as they can shuffle 5 yards to the left or right and can play the cut back! The Bengals have not had a defensive tackle that intimidates the opposing offensive line, since big Bob Brown in the mid 70's. They've had good players like Krumrie but no one with a big, physical presence. Also, I know they probably won't do it but I'd sure like to see Cincy get another offensive coordinater, as the offense is sporadic at best. It's too easy to figure out by formation and they don't even throw to the tight end, which is a ridiculous strategy. Just my two cents

[bengalsbilly]

I would like to see us have a more dynamic RB maybe a Tashard Choice what are your thoughts on him

Tashard is hardly dynamic. I watch GT each weak, and TC gives a real effort on every down and doesn't go down on the first hit. If you want a guy that gets tough yards and can break a 15-20 yarder every once an a while, he's your guy. But that pretty much describes Rudi, except a slightly smaller package. One of the reasons he always has some sort of nagging injury is he won't back down and sorry to say I can't imagine that lasting at his size in the NFL.

[bengalsbilly]

If people are mentioning people who haven't declared yet, why no mention of Campbell (DE Miami). I think he could be a better prospect than Gholston, primarilly because he could get bigger, and stay a DE in a 3-4 scheme.

If the Bengals had the luxury of gambling on another highly talented head case, then Campbell would be fine. I saw him play 3 games and he wasn't the best DE on the field in one of them. Roberson (GT), Long (UVA), and Ellis (VT) were all better than him. Throw in Merling from Clemson as well. Several of the bigs in ACC - BC, Maryland, Wake and UNC all had better DTs than Campbell at DE. He'll give you one or two big plays then dissappear for a quarter. I hope Father Marvin doesn't think he can rehabilitate another talented yet lazy football player. If he's the best available DL when the Bengals pick in round one, then trade down or get a LB.

[BengalUSCfan]

I agree with bengalsbilly and true fan on Calais. All his potential gets wasted from long periods of ineffectiveness with flashes of talent in between.

I watched the big dude from Texas A&M yesterday (Red Bryant) and was also underwhelmed. Ditto for his fellow defensive lineman, DE Chris Harrington. I don't think I'd spend a 2nd round pick on either of them.

[TrojanPride]

Sedrick Ellis

Class:
Senior

Hometown:
Chino, Calif.

High School:
Chino HS

Height / Weight:
very under size
Position:
DT

Experience:
1V

you post this in every thread you can think of. Why don't you take a look at a current bio. He weighs 305 lbs. I mean seriously if you can think of some other reason not to draft him besides lying about his weight please let me know.

[TrojanPride]

Ellis is not that impressive and will be to small. He is not going to be make a huge impact with teams that have O lineman over 290.

Plus he is a 3 technique 1 gapper. This will not fit well with our D.




There really isn't a DL other than Vhernon that I can see us getting that would make a good impact right away. He benches 455 and is very fast.

I do believe he will be gone by the time we pick if he decides to declare, which I believe he will.

Ellis is 6'2'' 305lbs. You can check ESPN, USC official Football site, pretty much any CURRENT draft site you want. He lifted the 225lb bar 42 times and maxed out at 510lb at USC pro day last year. His 40 yard dash average is 4.96, with a low time of 4.83.

Just to compare last year's top DT draft choice at #10 was Amobi Okoye from Lousiville. He is 6'2'' and weighs 302lbs. His 40 yard dash average was 5.07 and lifted the 225lb bar 29 times. He was defensive rookie of the month for Houston in September. His 5.5 sacks is second among all rookies behind Gaines Adams 6 sacks.

Or how about Mike Patterson from USC who was selected 31st by the Eagles in the 2005 draft. He is 6'0'', 292lbs. He led all rookie DT's in 2005 with 3.5 sacks and led the eagles D-line in tackles with 45 (and he didn't become the starter until halfway through the year). This year he was tied for 1st in tackles from the DT position with 67 and he had 4 sacks.

We're caught up on size because John Thorton is crappy. It's not because he's small. He just *****.

Tell me again why Ellis will not be a good pro or unable to make an immediate impact??

[harmooniee1993]

I love the ILB from USC, Rey maualuga, hard hitter, physical and NEVER miss a tackle.
but he isnt going to the Draft this year. its either Sedrick Ellis or we trade down for Keith Rivers or Lawenrence Jackson.

other than those three USC prospect I would love to have two Ohio State LB on our roster, James Laurinaitis and Vernon Gholston.:thumbsup:

[true fan]

TrojanPride look i know your a usc fan and the fact that those two dts that you mention mention were drafted high they get blown of the ball that is why if you notice they are in a rotation(Especially mike patterson they have like 5 dt they rotate),but it's nothing against him but he is a little small and just because you weigh 3002 or 305 don't make you stout but if he plays like tommie harris (who you make him out to be )fine would love to but i don't know if he is.No disrespect dude man i hit a nerve with you didn't i :huh::huh::huh:

[Turk88]

Ellis is 6'2'' 305lbs. You can check ESPN, USC official Football site, pretty much any CURRENT draft site you want. He lifted the 225lb bar 42 times and maxed out at 510lb at USC pro day last year. His 40 yard dash average is 4.96, with a low time of 4.83.

Just to compare last year's top DT draft choice at #10 was Amobi Okoye from Lousiville. He is 6'2'' and weighs 302lbs. His 40 yard dash average was 5.07 and lifted the 225lb bar 29 times. He was defensive rookie of the month for Houston in September. His 5.5 sacks is second among all rookies behind Gaines Adams 6 sacks.

Or how about Mike Patterson from USC who was selected 31st by the Eagles in the 2005 draft. He is 6'0'', 292lbs. He led all rookie DT's in 2005 with 3.5 sacks and led the eagles D-line in tackles with 45 (and he didn't become the starter until halfway through the year). This year he was tied for 1st in tackles from the DT position with 67 and he had 4 sacks.

We're caught up on size because John Thorton is crappy. It's not because he's small. He just *****.

Tell me again why Ellis will not be a good pro or unable to make an immediate impact??



Try actually reading my post...3 technique 1 gapper! Not a good fit for this D! <_<

[true fan]

:Clap::Clap::Clap: Turk88 i agree with you turk

[Turk88]

:Clap::Clap::Clap: Turk88 i agree with you turk


Thanks. Let's just hope that we make a good pick. Right now I think Campbell would be a great pick. He is 6'8" and is quite fast. He does need to learn a few more moves but I think he has what it takes to be a monster force on this team.

[Houshmazilly]

Okay, Turk, you need to understand how a 4-3 works. One DT (Peko) is a 2 gapper, and his job is to stop the run. Peko tries to take on 1 blocker, then tries to flow to the ball from there. The 2 gapper is a run-stopper.

The other DT (Thornton) is a 1 gapper. His job is to seal one gap, take on multiple blockers, and collapse the pocket. Now we're all thinking, Thornton doesn't do that! Exactly.

With the 9th pick the Cincinnati Bengals Select: Sedrick Ellis

[Turk88]

Okay, Turk, you need to understand how a 4-3 works. One DT (Peko) is a 2 gapper, and his job is to stop the run. Peko tries to take on 1 blocker, then tries to flow to the ball from there. The 2 gapper is a run-stopper.

The other DT (Thornton) is a 1 gapper. His job is to seal one gap, take on multiple blockers, and collapse the pocket. Now we're all thinking, Thornton doesn't do that! Exactly.

With the 9th pick the Cincinnati Bengals Select: Sedrick Ellis


:rotf: I know how a 4-3 defense works! I don't think Ellis is the guy that will help this team out.

I believe right now the best pick for this team is Calais Campbell

[true fan]

or VERN see the point Houshmazilly was trying to make about the 1 gapper and peko is the reason we need a apartment building dt that can move a little so peko can get to the qb and turk only if vern is gone will i want them to take Calais Campbell he is very intersting with his size and POTENTIAL and is a risk taking in the first round

[Turk88]

or VERN see the point Houshmazilly was trying to make about the 1 gapper and peko is the reason we need a apartment building dt that can move a little so peko can get to the qb and turk only if vern is gone will i want them to take Calais Campbell he is very intersting with his size and POTENTIAL and is a risk taking in the first round

I see his point to but I tend to disagree. Anyway..I am a huge Buckeye fan but I think Campbell is going to end up being the better D lineman.

[Houshmazilly]

Why do you disagree? It seems you are unwilling to accept the fact that Ellis would be a solid pick.

[Turk88]

Why do you disagree? It seems you are unwilling to accept the fact that Ellis would be a solid pick.


I am unwilling to agree that he ism a solid pick.

I think he lacks the ideal height and weight plus he has had injury issues in the past.

I just don't think he can hold up to the huge OL in the AFC North that like to run the ball down your throat.

[true fan]

true true

[Samhain]

I am unwilling to agree that he ism a solid pick.

I think he lacks the ideal height and weight plus he has had injury issues in the past.

I just don't think he can hold up to the huge OL in the AFC North that like to run the ball down your throat.

I agree, but on a much broader theory. It's a real gamble selecting a DT with a pick that high. It's one Mike Brown philosophy I tend to actually agree with. DTs coming in from college have a very tough time adjusting to the pros. It's not a postion where guys typically catch on in year 1. They come into the league out of college where they are accustomed to tossing around smaller, weaker guys that just don't make it to the NFL. In college, they can afford to play high on guards and centers and overpower them with sheer brute strength more than technique (in a lot of cases, not saying there are no college guys with sound technique). They are used to getting away with things that will get them pancaked by pro lineman. I won't be furious if we take a DT, but I'd rather take a first round end or backer and sign a veteran DT in free agency. We need guys who can improve our defense now, not projects who will take a few seasons to develop and give us more of the same thing we've been getting in the meantime.

[baclaw]

If we stay at #9 i think we have alot of options and a bunch that would make me and prob alot of you happy... And even before the combiens it seems like this draft is gonna be pretty deep on the defensive side of the ball.... I cant wait till April

[TrojanPride]

Try actually reading my post...3 technique 1 gapper! Not a good fit for this D! <_<

Good thing it's no longer "this" defense. Bye bye chuck.

[Turk88]

Good thing it's no longer "this" defense. Bye bye chuck.



We don't know that. We may still run the Tampa 2 if they give the job to Henderson.

[booboo2280]

They are not gonna draft another head case, so that nixes Campbell and so be it. Like another poster said, he wasn't even the best DE on the field in over half their games and was outplayed by another top 10 pick in Chris Long. Gholston is a physically gifted beast. He runs a 4.5 to 4.6 40, benches over 450 lbs and is not small at 6'3. He could play a straight up DE in a 4-3 or do both in a 3-4. The Bengals draft is gonna be a front 7 guy baring the 8 teams in front of them all drafting them.

List of potential picks.

Dorsey DT LSU
Ellis DT USC
Long DE UVA
Gholston DE OSU
Laurinaitis LB OSU

At the moment this is the list of a player we are most likely to draft.

Dorsey I very highly doubt we get. Laurinatis won't get past New England and is gonna fit perfect in their system. One of the other 3 should be there for us. Depending on combine and draft boards Long or Gholston could go ahead of where the bengals pick, leaving 1 of them to fall to us. It will be interesting to see if Ellis and an DE is there who it will be.

I personally say you take the best one there and that is an End in my opinion. If you draft Ellis and he can't play the 2 gap then he is a wasted pick because he is the same spot as Peko at that point. There could be more then a couple 2 gap DT's in freagency this coming year that could be signed to take the heat off the Ends. The problem has been getting a Pass Rush to the QB. Why not draft the best guy that can get their. Long or Gholston is my pick. And I hope its Gholston.

Also, take the DT from Texas in the second round if we draft the DE in round 1.

[Turk88]

They are not gonna draft another head case, so that nixes Campbell and so be it. Like another poster said, he wasn't even the best DE on the field in over half their games and was outplayed by another top 10 pick in Chris Long. Gholston is a physically gifted beast. He runs a 4.5 to 4.6 40, benches over 450 lbs and is not small at 6'3. He could play a straight up DE in a 4-3 or do both in a 3-4. The Bengals draft is gonna be a front 7 guy baring the 8 teams in front of them all drafting them.

List of potential picks.

Dorsey DT LSU
Ellis DT USC
Long DE UVA
Gholston DE OSU
Laurinaitis B OSU

At the moment this is the list of a player we are most likely to draft.

Dorsey I very highly doubt we get. Laurinatis won't get past New England and is gonna fit perfect in their system. One of the other 3 should be there for us. Depending on combine and draft boards Long or Gholston could go ahead of where the bengals pick, leaving 1 of them to fall to us. It will be interesting to see if Ellis and an DE is there who it will be.

I personally say you take the best one there and that is an End in my opinion. If you draft Ellis and he can't play the 2 gap then he is a wasted pick because he is the same spot as Peko at that point. There could be more then a couple 2 gap DT's in freagency this coming year that could be signed to take the heat off the Ends. The problem has been getting a Pass Rush to the QB. Why not draft the best guy that can get their. Long or Gholston is my pick. And I hope its Gholston.

Also, take the DT from Texas in the second round if we draft the DE in round 1.


I do not see any of the people you have mentioned there being available when we pick except for Long and I am unsure he would be a perfect fit for our system. If we switch to a 3-4 then he would be perfect.

His leadership qualities are great and it doesn't hurt that he is Howie Long's son! I do worry about his speed a bit as he seems to run a 4.8...I guess the combine should give us a better idea of where he will fall.


I wish I had the NFL network now because I would love to see the combine this year!

[booboo2280]

1 Miami Dolphins Dorsey
2 St. Louis Rams Chris Long / Gholston
3 Atlanta Falcons Matt Ryan
4 Oakland Raiders Daren Mcfadden
5 Kansas City Chiefs Jake Long
6 New York Jets ?????
7 New England Patriots Laurinaitis
8 Baltimore Ravens Brian Brohm
9 Cincinnati Bengals

My only concern is the Jets and what they will do. They could potentially take Laurinaitis aswell if they are gonna let Vilma walk. Which then leaves the Patiots up in the air. Although if this happens i could see the Pats possibly drafting Rivers. Either way I would bet that atlease 1 of either Ellis, Gholston or Long slip to us.

[Turk88]

1 Miami Dolphins Dorsey
2 St. Louis Rams Chris Long / Gholston
3 Atlanta Falcons Matt Ryan
4 Oakland Raiders Daren Mcfadden
5 Kansas City Chiefs Jake Long
6 New York Jets ?????
7 New England Patriots Laurinaitis
8 Baltimore Ravens Brian Brohm
9 Cincinnati Bengals

My only concern is the Jets and what they will do. They could potentially take Laurinaitis aswell if they are gonna let Vilma walk. Which then leaves the Patiots up in the air. Although if this happens i could see the Pats possibly drafting Rivers. Either way I would bet that atlease 1 of either Ellis, Gholston or Long slip to us.


I disagree with the Rams taking either of those guys. I see them picking up Jake Long because they are not a good offensive team and need the protection up front. I also see the Raiders picking Gholston because Davis likes the guys that seem to be freaks of nature and he is just that, either that or they take Long because Davis would love to Howie's son on his team! That would leave Long (if not taken by the Raiders) and Ellis for us if the Jets take Mcfadden. The then leaves us with Ellis. I personally don't like the pick and I think he will be wash in the NFL but I hope I am wrong if that is who we end up picking!


I heard A rumor that the pats were looking to trade down in order to not pay a rookie such huge money since they work most of their player's contracts out so that the team can be competitive. The rumor said their thinking was that it would hurt the team to have a rookie making so much more money than the vets that they have.

Not sure where I read that at and if I find it I will post a link.

[TrojanPride]

TrojanPride look i know your a usc fan and the fact that those two dts that you mention mention were drafted high they get blown of the ball that is why if you notice they are in a rotation(Especially mike patterson they have like 5 dt they rotate),but it's nothing against him but he is a little small and just because you weigh 3002 or 305 don't make you stout but if he plays like tommie harris (who you make him out to be )fine would love to but i don't know if he is.No disrespect dude man i hit a nerve with you didn't i :huh::huh::huh:

The only reason you hit a nerve is because you make idiotic arguments. Why don't you try and do some research before making assinine statements. This year Patterson and Broderick Bunkley played nearly all the snaps at the DT spots for the Eagles. No other DT has more than 2 tackles for that team. Patterson (as mentioned before) is 6'0'' 292. Bunkley is 6'2'' 306. Patterson was tied for the most tackles in the league at the DT position with 67 tackles and 4 sacks - pretty good for a guy getting blown off the ball :rotf:. Bunkley had 31 tackles and 3 sacks.

BTW the Eagles had the 10th rated defense and 7th rated run defense. They also have one of the smallest if not the smallest MLB in Gaither who is 6'1'' 235.

For once and all people will you realize that size does not matter. It's all about TALENT

[OneTwistedGamer]

The only reason you hit a nerve is because you make idiotic arguments. Why don't you try and do some research before making assinine statements. This year Patterson and Broderick Bunkley played nearly all the snaps at the DT spots for the Eagles. No other DT has more than 2 tackles for that team. Patterson (as mentioned before) is 6'0'' 292. Bunkley is 6'2'' 306. Patterson was tied for the most tackles in the league at the DT position with 67 tackles and 4 sacks - pretty good for a guy getting blown off the ball :rotf:. Bunkley had 31 tackles and 3 sacks.

BTW the Eagles had the 10th rated defense and 7th rated run defense. They also have one of the smallest if not the smallest MLB in Gaither who is 6'1'' 235.

For once and all people will you realize that size does not matter. It's all about TALENT


I agree with you for the most put the only thing is Size does play a factor but Talent does trump Size. I do not know the stats on either of those to players but how many times did they bat down the ball? With all of this said I would still take a short guy who can really play over a tall guy who is okay.

[brdhggns]

Sedrick Ellis

Class:
Senior

Hometown:
Chino, Calif.

High School:
Chino HS

Height / Weight:
very under size
Position:
DT

Experience:
1V


remind me again why we all want thorton gone... ummmmmmmm.... oh yeah hes undersized therefore he cant stop the run... kinda like... Sedrick Ellis.....

so let me get this straight everyones solution to a small undersized DT is another small undersized DT. dont make sense to me.

i dont even agree with the statement DT is our number one need. we have peko and hes gonna countiue to grow. what we aint got is a MLB so therefor the lil animal is the solution

draft a second DT in the 2nd or 3rd round and if not pick up a nice big strong tall DT who can stop the run in FA

[OneTwistedGamer]

remind me again why we all want thorton gone... ummmmmmmm.... oh yeah hes undersized therefore he cant stop the run... kinda like... Sedrick Ellis.....

so let me get this straight everyones solution to a small undersized DT is another small undersized DT. dont make sense to me.

i dont even agree with the statement DT is our number one need. we have peko and hes gonna countiue to grow. what we aint got is a MLB so therefor the lil animal is the solution

draft a second DT in the 2nd or 3rd round and if not pick up a nice big strong tall DT who can stop the run in FA

The problem is not that he is really undersized but that he gets pushed round. just becuase you are undersized does nto mean you will get pushed around. Ellis is bigger than Thorton but Thorton is taller. Ellis is stronger than Thorton and Dorsey is samll then to though.

Brooks was playing better so we need to give him time develope. I think he can really be good if we give him time.

[booboo2280]

Ellis would be a decent pick if we actually had a 2 gap DT. I personally think the Kid out of Texas Okam is a better fit for the bengals then Ellis. And you can get Okam in the second round as of most draft boards atm. Ellis would play the same position that Peko plays atm, a 1 gap penetrating DT. This is not what is needed. What is needed is what they thought Adams was gonna do, sit in the middle of the line and not get moved around. Dorsey is the only dt right now projected in round 1 that is capable of doing this. The draft pick should be and End or LB at 9 and not someone you make a stretch on. If the bengals don't like what happened in the top 8 picks and nothing is their worthy of the 9th pick, trade down for an extra 5 or so round draft pick and get the guy they want their.

[brdhggns]

Ellis would be a decent pick if we actually had a 2 gap DT. I personally think the Kid out of Texas Okam is a better fit for the bengals then Ellis. And you can get Okam in the second round as of most draft boards atm. Ellis would play the same position that Peko plays atm, a 1 gap penetrating DT. This is not what is needed. What is needed is what they thought Adams was gonna do, sit in the middle of the line and not get moved around. Dorsey is the only dt right now projected in round 1 that is capable of doing this. The draft pick should be and End or LB at 9 and not someone you make a stretch on. If the bengals don't like what happened in the top 8 picks and nothing is their worthy of the 9th pick, trade down for an extra 5 or so round draft pick and get the guy they want their.

i agree.. we can get a DT later on. as far as an end goes as long as smith comes back next year were set so that means linebacker

[Show-your-Stripes]

i agree.. we can get a DT later on. as far as an end goes as long as smith comes back next year were set so that means linebacker

I doubt we even talk to Smith.

He's leaving and the Bengals won't even talk to his agent

[chaffin94]

I think Ghoulston can fall to 9. If he does I would probably take him and use the Justin Smith money to go after Haynesworth.

[emfwhodey]

I think Ghoulston can fall to 9. If he does I would probably take him and use the Justin Smith money to go after Haynesworth.

no chance on haynesworth he will get franchise tagged...i know i want him too but that is a fact...we have a better chance to get suggs from the ravens....and i think ghoulston will easily be there at 9...turns out every team in the nfl is not an OSU fan...i know he is good but the amount of man crush on him on this board is pretty bad...i've seen post that people would rather have him than dorsey

[OneTwistedGamer]

no chance on haynesworth he will get franchise tagged...i know i want him too but that is a fact...we have a better chance to get suggs from the ravens....and i think ghoulston will easily be there at 9...turns out every team in the nfl is not an OSU fan...i know he is good but the amount of man crush on him on this board is pretty bad...i've seen post that people would rather have him than dorsey

Well first of all you can not say that is fact till he is tagged and then signs the tag. Now that is fact. I agree with you on the man crush people have its crazy. He is a good player but because there are so many OSU fans it jsut spreads to other people. People need to look at draft picks unbiased and realisticly.

[busamboy]

My vote still goes for kenny phillips. We are not going to get sedrick ellis. The organization can't afford to pick another justin smith this year. He is a bottom half first rounder. Trust me. By then, all the hype will be about who did what at the combine. I know the man is strong, but we need more than that in a DT. We need size because we already have a small defensive line. We need a sure pick. A sure pro bowler, and kenny phillips is that pick.

please don't sign madieu williams!!!!!

[goalpost]

The new defensive coordinator, if he is 3/4 or 4/3, could affect how we view these lineman, and linebackers.