Mel Kiper calls Cam Newton a "One year wonder, like Akili Smith"

[Shake n Blake]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...e-akili-smith/

He goes on to say that -

“If you hit (on Newton), you could have a sensational quarterback for ten years,” “(But) if you miss, it sets you back three, four, five years.”

“He was a one-year wonder. Akili Smith was a one-year wonder.”

Kiper says he’s spoken to people he “trusts” in the league, and came away feeling that Newton isn’t necessarily on Buffalo’s radar.

Kiper sends Cam Newton to the Bengals in his latest mock draft.

I don't know about you guys, but I saw Akili Smith and he was better in college than Cam. Lets all hope we steer clear of Cam and either trade for Kolb, or draft Ponder in round 2. Less risk and less $.

[Danno]

Well, that does it.

Mike Brown is on board.... And wait... questions about ethics to boot? DOUBLE WHAMMY!

[The Caped Crusader]

Every time I watch SportsCenter they always go on about Cam Newton and how much of an athlete he is...Who cares? Have you guys seen a little name....Peyton Manning? Sure, he's an athlete but a physical specimen of pure perfection? Hell no. Peyton Manning looks like someone's Dad dressing up in Football pads...but the man can play ball. Cam has talent but I'm sorry, watching the BCS game he was completely void of really anything/everything. Then walking into the Combine he threw horrible passes and somewhat redeemed himself at Pro Day. So out of the three chances the NFL focuses on...He really only does well on one. I'll definitely pass.

[Shake n Blake]

Originally Posted by The Caped Crusader

Every time I watch SportsCenter they always go on about Cam Newton and how much of an athlete he is...Who cares? Have you guys seen a little name....Peyton Manning? Sure, he's an athlete but a physical specimen of pure perfection? Hell no. Peyton Manning looks like someone's Dad dressing up in Football pads...but the man can play ball. Cam has talent but I'm sorry, watching the BCS game he was completely void of really anything/everything. Then walking into the Combine he threw horrible passes and somewhat redeemed himself at Pro Day. So out of the three chances the NFL focuses on...He really only does well on one. I'll definitely pass.

The guy ran a 4.6. He is not the second coming of Mike Vick. So I wan't to see pinpoint passing and leadership. Not seeing that either. To me, he is a 2nd round pick, no more.

[1whodeybrew]

To down grade Newton into being Akili like (think I said this a couple weeks ago) and then to have Cincinnati draft Akili Smith twice without learning the first time......

Here's the thing, if you know a player is a 1 year wonder with chances to be a heavy bust would you even rate him in the top 10 picks ? One thing I did know and that was Newton and Gabberts stock would rise because it's a weak QB class. It's better to risk boom or bust with a mid round QB rather than doing the same with the 4th overall pick.

I just think it's weak to go with the flow as Kiper is doing with his mocks in keeping Newton in the top 5 drafted players. If Newton has bust written all over him then let it show starting with his ranking and mocks. I'd never rate a bust player to be drafted that high not to mention having Mike Brown making the very same mistake twice. I hope Mike Brown is smarter than this.

[The_B2S]

Originally Posted by Shake n Blake

The guy ran a 4.6. He is not the second coming of Mike Vick. So I wan't to see pinpoint passing and leadership. Not seeing that either. To me, he is a 2nd round pick, no more.

Clearly you did not see all of those come from behind victories last year. Auburn was a .500 team without Newton and Fairley.

[HearUsRoar]

Originally Posted by The_B2S

Clearly you did not see all of those come from behind victories last year. Auburn was a .500 team without Newton and Fairley.

Name a team you can't say that about if you take out their primary offensive and defensive weapons.

[geronomo]

Did akili have the red flags that Cam supposedly has???? I do not recall?

[The_B2S]

Originally Posted by HearUsRoar

Name a team you can't say that about if you take out their primary offensive and defensive weapons.

Teams that win the national championship have a sizable number of players that go on to play in the NFL. Most have multiple first round draft picks in a two-year period. This team will have just a few players that will go on to play in the NFL and only two who are being treated like top players at their respective positions. Newton carried his offense and Fairley carried the defense. They weren't playing with much talent around them. To get a National Championship with that team was a sign of leadership.

[Shake n Blake]

Originally Posted by The_B2S

Clearly you did not see all of those come from behind victories last year. Auburn was a .500 team without Newton and Fairley.

I don't need to. I have heard him calling himself an "entertainer & icon". I saw he ran a 4.6, which is not Mike Vick speed, and I seen that he has been unimpressive during workouts and combine. He went 50-60 in his best workout. Sam Bradford in a similar workout went 49-50 last year. These are all GIANT RED FLAGS. Have we not learned from Andre Smith? Or Akili for that matter?

[The_B2S]

Originally Posted by Shake n Blake

I don't need to. I have heard him calling himself an "entertainer & icon". I saw he ran a 4.6, which is not Mike Vick speed, and I seen that he has been unimpressive during workouts and combine. He went 50-60 in his best workout. Sam Bradford in a similar workout went 49-50 last year. These are all GIANT RED FLAGS. Have we not learned from Andre Smith? Or Akili for that matter?

Well if you're going to say that a QB can't lead a team, you should see if that QB actually has led a team before. He did.

[BigK]

Originally Posted by Shake n Blake

I don't need to. I have heard him calling himself an "entertainer & icon". I saw he ran a 4.6, which is not Mike Vick speed, and I seen that he has been unimpressive during workouts and combine. He went 50-60 in his best workout. Sam Bradford in a similar workout went 49-50 last year. These are all GIANT RED FLAGS. Have we not learned from Andre Smith? Or Akili for that matter?

If i could take 10 of your rep points away I would. Is Cam Newton a big risk? Well, hell yeah he's a big risk like just about everyone rated as highly. Sometimes it's the risks you take that define who you are. Now on to correcting you....The "entertainer and icon" comment was explained and if you look at the transcript it actually makes sense in relation to his endorsement deal. He wasn't totally unimpressive during the workouts. In fact most say they were more impressed at the pro day than at the combine. He showed that he still needs to work on footwork which alone can improve accuracy and 50/60= 83.33% I'll take that. Not even Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are always 100% in drills, even without the defense. Also, his leadership is more than evident.

Now should the Bengals draft him? Hell nah! I'm almost certain he'll bust if thrown in as a starter on day 1. If the Bengals want a QB I hope the they're hoping that Malett falls to the second (doubtful) or take Ponder (issues with arm strength) or wait even longer and take the QB from Nev.

[Hammerstripes]

Originally Posted by The_B2S

Clearly you did not see all of those come from behind victories last year. Auburn was a .500 team without Newton and Fairley.

They were 8-5 without Newton in 2009.

As for ALL of those comeback wins - they only trailed TWICE going into the 4th quarter all year.

[The_B2S]

Originally Posted by Hammerstripes

They were 8-5 without Newton in 2009.

As for ALL of those comeback wins - they only trailed TWICE going into the 4th quarter all year.

Did you watch the games this year, genius? If you had, genius, you would have realized they would have lost half of their games if it weren't for Newton and Fairley, genius.

[Phil in BG]

Originally Posted by Shake n Blake

The guy ran a 4.6. He is not the second coming of Mike Vick. So I wan't to see pinpoint passing and leadership. Not seeing that either. To me, he is a 2nd round pick, no more.

Speaking of Michael Vick, would someone please compare Cam Newton and Michael Vick for me? Thanks

[victor24]

Originally Posted by Phil in BG

Speaking of Michael Vick, would someone please compare Cam Newton and Michael Vick for me? Thanks

Why hasn't anyone compared Cam Newton to David Klingler???

This is so insanely obvious!

[bludgeon]

oh no! now we just HAVE to draft him!

[bludgeon]

Originally Posted by Phil in BG

Speaking of Michael Vick, would someone please compare Cam Newton and Michael Vick for me? Thanks

No comparison. Vick is a much better player.

[The Caped Crusader]

Alright, I gathered stats....Ironic...This year we hold the fourth overall pick...when we drafted Akili....we had the third....

Anyways...



Best year for Akili(98)

3,763 PYARDS 32 TD 8INT (Pac 10 Player of the Year)



Best year for Cam(2010)

2854 PYARDS 30 TD 7INT (Heisman)



Interesting.

[Jahmani3]

Originally Posted by The Caped Crusader

Alright, I gathered stats....Ironic...This year we hold the fourth overall pick...when we drafted Akili....we had the third....

Anyways...



Best year for Akili(98)

3,763 PYARDS 32 TD 8INT (Pac 10 Player of the Year)



Best year for Cam(2010)

2854 PYARDS 30 TD 7INT (Heisman)



Interesting.

What about the rushing numbers comparison?

[Jahmani3]

Akili also played in the PAC 10 - however many years ago - A time when the Pac 10 was weaker than they are now, and that's still weak as hell compared to the SEC.

[allday85]

Originally Posted by The Caped Crusader

Alright, I gathered stats....Ironic...This year we hold the fourth overall pick...when we drafted Akili....we had the third....

Anyways...



Best year for Akili(98)

3,763 PYARDS 32 TD 8INT (Pac 10 Player of the Year)



Best year for Cam(2010)

2854 PYARDS 30 TD 7INT (Heisman)




Interesting.

dont forget 1473 rush yards plus national championship Whoop Whoop

[Shake n Blake]

Originally Posted by allday85

dont forget 1473 rush yards plus national championship Whoop Whoop

He rushed for 1473 yards because of the offense, plus his size and speed were great against college level talent. 4.6 speed isn't special in the NFL, nor is his weight. Guy will be lucky to rush for 400 in the NFL. I'm not worried about his rushing stats anyway. He is a QB. I'm hearing mixed reviews on his accuracy. He only made one read in college, which is the EXACT reason why Akili was such a failure.

[The_B2S]

Originally Posted by Shake n Blake

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...e-akili-smith/

He goes on to say that -

“If you hit (on Newton), you could have a sensational quarterback for ten years,” “(But) if you miss, it sets you back three, four, five years.”

“He was a one-year wonder. Akili Smith was a one-year wonder.”

Kiper says he’s spoken to people he “trusts” in the league, and came away feeling that Newton isn’t necessarily on Buffalo’s radar.

Kiper sends Cam Newton to the Bengals in his latest mock draft.

I don't know about you guys, but I saw Akili Smith and he was better in college than Cam. Lets all hope we steer clear of Cam and either trade for Kolb, or draft Ponder in round 2. Less risk and less $.

They are both one-year wonders true. But that doesn't mean they will have similar success in the NFL. Cassell was a zero year wonder and he put up some good numbers this year.

[1whodeybrew]

You are not going to start Newton anytime soon....atleast a year sitting and learning and then there's things you can't teach such as trusting your pocket and actually going through options during plays. He can either adjust to that or he can't and if he can't the offense would only be built to what Newton can do while strengths of WR's, RB's and players on the O-Line would never be noticed or get used.

You could easily train and groom a McElroy (4th or 5th round) to use Grudens complete playbook because he is a game manager, has some skills and smart. The guy reminds me of Ken Anderson but has a play action as good as Boomer had.

If you have to groom and mold a QB it may as well be with a mid round QB and I wouldn't doubt that a McElroy would learn Gruden's system much faster and could actually be used much sooner than Newton.

I still think they need to see what LeFevour has to offer and there's a huge chance he could beat Jordan Palmer out for the starting job. If LeFevour succeeds highly you can make a run with him long term instead of making decisions on when to release him because we have a 4th overall picked QB sitting on the bench.

This is the year to to create a competition at QB with what we already have on the roster and go after a FA like Drew Stanton, draft a McElroy....who knows, maybe Jordan would also get released if he isn't better than this competition. I could handle LeFevour, Stanton and McElroy. You'd have two young QB's gunning for a starters role and a McElroy that would be ready to step in at any time during the season as a backup.