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Old 04-10-2012, 09:32 AM
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Cyrus Gray - RB from Texas A&M
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Penn State DE Jack Crawford. Good athlete who has only been playing organized football 6 years. Still very raw, but this is exactly what you are looking for in project players.

He started for 3 years at Penn State, and was 2nd team Big Ten in 2011 when he had 6.5 sacks and 6 passes defended (tipped at line).

Had a good combine placing 6th among D-linemen in the short shuttle (4.25), 11th in the broad jump (9'8"), and 12th in the 3-cone drill (7.15).

His forty time of 4.85 ranked 14th among D-linemen, Bt Quinton Coples, Fletcher Cox, and Jaye Howard were the only D-linemen heavier than Crawford (274 lbs) who ran faster.
I am with you on Crawford. The dud is raw with a lot of upside. If he is there in the 5th or 6th you take him. He is fast enough to participate on ST while he develops.
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The running back from Utah State who was the backup to Turbin, I completely forget his name
Michael Smith RB 5'9" 207 Utah State
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The running back from Utah State who was the backup to Turbin, I completely forget his name
Michael Smith, I mentioned him earlier
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Old 04-10-2012, 01:28 PM
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Marvin Mcnutt 3rd/4th round I love this guy he will be a nice numbs 2
Brian Quick 3rd round ideal size, speed, hands. Will take a while to adjust to the pro game
Greg Childs I like tall WR
Tommy Streeter-reminds me of Chris Henry
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Old 04-10-2012, 02:15 PM
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Brandon Brooks 3RD round will be a day 1 starter
Amini Silatolu 2nd round 2nd best OG IMO
Brandon Washington OG 3rd/4th round fell after being graded as early as the 2nd round
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Old 04-10-2012, 02:33 PM
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Here's a few. I like the Calvin kid out of Cal especially, pretty damn good numbers. Though I haven't looked further to see why the lack of production.

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Published: April 6, 2012 at 03:17 p.m.
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Earlier this week, I mentioned several high-profile players who boosted their draft stock with strong pro-day workouts. Those prospects had either opted against performing at February's NFL Scouting Combine or needed to make up for a disappointing performance in Indianapolis.

But hundreds of lesser-known prospects weren't invited to the combine in the first place, leaving them to rely on school visits from NFL scouts to put their names on the draft radar.

One such player who cashed in on his pro day was Miami (Ohio) guard Brandon Brooks. The massive (6-foot-5, 346 pounds, 32 5/8-inch arms) three-time second-team All-MAC pick clocked at 5.0 and 4.98 seconds in his two 40-yard dashes. He also lifted 225 pounds 36 times in the bench press and showed excellent agility in shuttle drills. In combination with a strong week at the East-West Shrine Game, it might land him in the late-second or early-third round.

The prospects listed below (in alphabetical order) won't hear their names called Friday night of draft weekend like Brooks, but might've earned a Saturday slot by showing exceptional athleticism during campus workouts.



Jordan Bernstine, CB/FS, Iowa (5-10, 211): Bernstine made an impression with big hits in the secondary his first year as a starter last fall, and he turned heads with an excellent pro day: 4.45-4.48 40-yard dashes, 41-inch vertical jump, 10-foot-7 broad jump, 4.31 short shuttle, 6.98 three-cone drill and 18 bench-press reps.

Michael Calvin, WR, California (6-3, 210): Though he caught just 42 passes in four years, Calvin's overall workout would've made headlines had he done it on television at the combine: 4.34 40, 40 1/2-inch vertical, 11-1 broad jump, 4.09 short shuttle, 6.70 three-cone.


D.J. Campbell, S, California (6-0, 201): Calvin's teammate didn't become a starter until 2011, but teams will watch every play after he posted a 4.51 40-yard dash, 38-inch vertical jump, 10-7 broad jump, 4.22 short shuttle, 7.08 three-cone drill and 22 bench reps. A weak safety class makes him even more coveted.

Derek Carrier, WR/TE, Beloit College (6-4, 238): Tiny Beloit College doesn't produce a ton of NFL talent, but scouts walked away from the University of Wisconsin pro day talking about Carrier as a receiving tight end in the Joel Dreessen/Jacob Tamme mold due to his impressive 4.50 40s, 38-inch vertical, 10-2 broad jump, 4.09 short shuttle and 6.70 three-cone drill.

Toney Clemons, WR, Colorado (6-2, 210): The Buffaloes' passing attack did not scare opponents the past couple of seasons, but Clemons did exceed 100 yards receiving in three of his last four games in 2011. The Michigan transfer's strong frame and 4.40-4.45 40 times make him an intriguing late-round prospect.

Marcus Dowtin, ILB, North Alabama (6-2, 230): It was thought Dowtin would fill in for Akeem Dent in the middle of Georgia's defense in 2011, but he decided to transfer to North Alabama, where he led the Lions in tackles. His sub-4.6 40, 38-inch vertical and excellent shuttle times confirmed his SEC-level athleticism and might have locked up a slot in a draft lacking a lot of true 4-3 middle linebackers.

Tim Fugger, DE/OLB, Vanderbilt (6-3, 248): An honorable-mention All-SEC pick by league media, Fugger posted times of 4.60 and 4.65 in the 40-yard dash, and recorded other results that would have matched up favorably with combine participants (34-inch vertical, 9-7 broad jump, 4.20 20-yard shuttle, 7.00 three-cone drill, 29 bench reps). Teams primarily using a 3-4 front are showing real interest in his talents.

Chris Greenwood, CB, Albion (6-1, 193): The success of Division III prospects Pierre Garcon (Mount Union), Cecil Shorts III (Mount Union) and Andy Studebaker (Wheaton) bolsters the cases for teams looking to use a third-day pick on Greenwood's NFL size and excellent athletic ability (4.41 40, 43-inch vertical, 11-2 broad -- both jumps would have led all defensive backs at the combine).

Alex Hoffman-Ellis, OLB, Washington State (6-1, 232): The 2011 second-team All-Pac-12 pick did not get much national exposure on a 4-8 Cougars squad. The team's leading tackler in 2011 backed up his production, though, with a 4.54 40, 36 1/2-inch vertical and 36 bench reps at his pro day.

Nick Mondek, OG, Purdue (6-6, 304): Mondek switched from defensive tackle to offensive line just two years ago and is still learning how to use his hands and play with leverage up front. However, his low 4.8's in the 40, 30 bench reps and exceptional shuttle times could entice NFL offensive line coaches to feel he's a project worth taking on.

Louis Nzegwu, DE, Wisconsin (6-4, 252): Wisconsin's leading sacker last fall (albeit with just 4.5) flashed the explosiveness to switch from a 4-3 defensive end to 3-4 rush linebacker in the NFL. His impressive pro-day showing included a 4.60 40-yard dash, as well as a 41 1/2-inch vertical and 10-8 broad jump -- both of which would have led all defensive ends and linebackers at the combine.

DeShawn Shead, CB/FS, Portland State (6-1, 220): Shead started at cornerback and safety for the Vikings, and teams might consider him at least a solid reserve at either spot and potential special teams contributor after viewing his strong tape and fantastic campus workout (4.53 40, 38-inch vertical jump, 10-1 broad, 24 bench reps and 6.76 three-cone).

Michael Smith, RB, Utah State (5-9, 207): Already an ascending player due to the flashes of brilliance he showed when given a chance to spell Robert Turbin (278 yards on 30 carries in the team's final two games of 2011), his 4.33 pro-day 40 and 40 1/2-inch vertical jump may have locked up a spot in the first half of Saturday's proceedings.
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Old 04-10-2012, 03:40 PM
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Marvin Mcnutt 3rd/4th round I love this guy he will be a nice numbs 2
Brian Quick 3rd round ideal size, speed, hands. Will take a while to adjust to the pro game
Greg Childs I like tall WR
Tommy Streeter-reminds me of Chris Henry
Completely agree.

I would like to see a WR early, and if Streeter falls, take him in 5 as well to be the #3.
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If we are talking true unknown sleepers, I will give you these:

Dale Moss, WR - South Dakota State. I've watched this kid play since he was in high school. He never really focused on football because he thought he was a better basketball player. I would bet he will go undrafted, but I would think Cochart will be in his ear to at least try out in Cincy.

Tom Compton, OG - University of South Dakota. Another guy I've seen since high school. Strong as an ox and looked like a man among boys at D2. He will go inside at OG. Would be a good pick up in the later rounds.

Adrian Hamilton, LB/DE - Prairie View A&M. Led the country in sacks last year. Worth a flier.
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Jordan Bernstine, CB/FS, Iowa (5-10, 211): Bernstine made an impression with big hits in the secondary his first year as a starter last fall, and he turned heads with an excellent pro day: 4.45-4.48 40-yard dashes, 41-inch vertical jump, 10-foot-7 broad jump, 4.31 short shuttle, 6.98 three-cone drill and 18 bench-press reps.



This kid was the closest thing the Hawkeyes have had to Bob Sanders, since Bob Sanders was in the Black and Gold. He's fast has lightening and hits like a mack truck. He's a bit injury proned though. But he really came on his senior year for the Hawks. We could do a lot worse with our last pick in the draft.
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Vaughn Meatoga , DT Hawaii.....
He's gonna need some work, but he'd be solid enough for round 7
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I like crawford but he has some personality issues
Are you talking about weed found in an apartment he used to live in? I think that has all been explained away. he wasn't even staying there at the time.

However I am much more concerned with the fact that he only did 14 reps of 225 on the bench press.
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Amini Silatolu 2nd round 2nd best OG IMO
Not really a sleeper. In fact I seriously doubt that we take an OG in the first round, and there is a very good chance we end up with Silatolu or some player more in his range.
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Old 04-11-2012, 10:16 AM
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Are you talking about weed found in an apartment he used to live in? I think that has all been explained away. he wasn't even staying there at the time.

However I am much more concerned with the fact that he only did 14 reps of 225 on the bench press.
From the 1st things 1st article by Hobson. Hmmm.....

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Read an article yesterday about sleeper picks, Chris Greenwood CB stood out as a player that might suit our needs.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2012&genpos=CB
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Two weeks from the draft-- I'm surprised there isnt a draft sticky already...

Read an article yesterday about sleeper picks, Chris Greenwood CB stood out as a player that might suit our needs.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2012&genpos=CB
Division 3! No wonder he's virtually unknown. But 6'1", 193lbs and he ran a 4.3 ... that is definately worth a look.
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Two weeks from the draft-- I'm surprised there isnt a draft sticky already...

Read an article yesterday about sleeper picks, Chris Greenwood CB stood out as a player that might suit our needs.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2012&genpos=CB
Theres an entire draft forum...
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Read an article yesterday about sleeper picks, Chris Greenwood CB stood out as a player that might suit our needs.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2012&genpos=CB
For later round CB play

Cliff Harris is my guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uSu0...eature=related

This guy was a stud for Oregon but some run ins with the law have seriously dropped his stock. This is the guy who picked off Andrew Luck not once but twice in the same game. Not to mention his legal troubles are for speeding, driving with out a licence, than a separate charge for DIP. He has all the talent in the world but wants to be a knuckle head. Zimmer, Carrier, Jackson, and Marvin will not play that. If he can figure it out after the drat this kid has the potential to be one of the biggest draft steals in some time.

http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/inde...cliff_har.html


We need to not completely go away from taking risks on players with red flags IMO especially a talented guy who just made a handful of fool hearty mistakes. He help on special teams right away and would be a hell of a depth guy while proving he deserves to play ball in the NFL.
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For probably being drafted late, I can see Kellen Moore being a possible sleeper at qb (in general I mean). But I would definitely like getting him in the 5th or 6th to be Andy's backup for 2013-15 once Gradk moves on after this year since his contract will be up.
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Brian Quick WR. 3rd rounder. Has great potential with good size speed and hands. Our #2.

Herbon Fangupo DT. 5th rounder. Huge. Massive. Giant. Throw him immediatly into the rotation.

Terrence Fredrick CB. 6th rounder. Physical, and fast. With good ball skills. Could be a steal.
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You guys need to stop making sleeper threads.

Mike is going to get on here and do iny mini miny moe in this thread for our 5th round picks.
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Cliff Harris is my guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uSu0...eature=related

This guy was a stud for Oregon but some run ins with the law have seriously dropped his stock. This is the guy who picked off Andrew Luck not once but twice in the same game. Not to mention his legal troubles are for speeding, driving with out a licence, than a separate charge for DIP. He has all the talent in the world but wants to be a knuckle head. Zimmer, Carrier, Jackson, and Marvin will not play that. If he can figure it out after the drat this kid has the potential to be one of the biggest draft steals in some time.

http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/inde...cliff_har.html


We need to not completely go away from taking risks on players with red flags IMO especially a talented guy who just made a handful of fool hearty mistakes. He help on special teams right away and would be a hell of a depth guy while proving he deserves to play ball in the NFL.
I completely agree that Harris is worth a late round pick...especially now....
but a "handful of fool hearty mistakes"
The cop asked him who had the weed and he told the cop "We smoked it all"
The guy has skill...but he is a *******.
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I completely agree that Harris is worth a late round pick...especially now....
but a "handful of fool hearty mistakes"
The cop asked him who had the weed and he told the cop "We smoked it all"
The guy has skill...but he is a *******.
He ll fit in perfect if we sign Simpson back
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