our running game might acually become a strength

[Tyrone Lawson]

I know it's a Big big question mark inserting two new guards, and a new back, but I see it as something that needed to happen in order for this team to turn the corner in it's running scheme.our line in 2009 pushed around some really stout d-lines that year with inferior talent, Dennis Roland is average and livins was very erratic. I think this year we finally run defenses away from playing cover two against our wrs,and I'm feeling we may even hit a few home runs this year in da run game. For some reason I feel like the ota's mini camps and ipads is gonna help this team like never befeeore offensively.

[Who2Dey]

I believe it has to do more with the line rather than the rbs.

Bge, Scott, and Peerman should be plenty if the line does their part. You can't expect backs to break tackles behind the line and make positive yard like Ced used to. It takes a certain mix of attributes to do that and our current backs currently don't fit the Ced/Dillon/rudi mold. Hard to take down with a quick burst. Bad line play eventually caught up to each of them and all three would start turning their backs to the hole and churning backwards.

[rickinnc]

Originally Posted by Who2Dey

I believe it has to do more with the line rather than the rbs.

Bge, Scott, and Peerman should be plenty if the line does their part. You can't expect backs to break tackles behind the line and make positive yard like Ced used to. It takes a certain mix of attributes to do that and our current backs currently don't fit the Ced/Dillon/rudi mold. Hard to take down with a quick burst. Bad line play eventually caught up to each of them and all three would start turning their backs to the hole and churning backwards.

Agreed...improvement will be the OL, not the RBs. Wish a game changer RB was on board.

[Ron Mexico]

Are they getting new Running Backs???

[SunsetBengal]

Originally Posted by rickinnc

Agreed...improvement will be the OL, not the RBs. Wish a game changer RB was on board.

We have game changing RBs on board. With a good OL, most any RB can be a game changer.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by rickinnc

Agreed...improvement will be the OL, not the RBs. Wish a game changer RB was on board.

When a guy is averaging 4 yards a carry and moving the chains that changes games. I would rather keep opposing offenses off the field with long drives thst demoralize the defense.

Buy he way if you are looking for speed you may want to check out Aaron Brown. The kid has been looking absolutely fast. Get him thru the line and he could be a homerun hitter.

[Nately120]

Originally Posted by SunsetBengal

We have game changing RBs on board. With a good OL, most any RB can be a game changer.

Ehh, maybe...I'd still trade our RBs for a slew of other team's RBs at this moment. Then again, going into 2009 Benson was listed as a lousy starter and look what happened.

[bengalfan74]

Originally Posted by SunsetBengal

We have game changing RBs on board. With a good OL, most any RB can be a game changer.

Right On Sunset !

With some balance on offense and keeping the defense guessing we'll do just fine.

[BengalTrucker]

If we can pound the rock on anyone, think how that will open up the game for Dalton, Green, and Gresham, and our other receivers.

If you have to stack the box, it means one on one for most of the receivers. They have to double Green, which means stacking the box will be hard.

Our Defense should be top 5, and improve over last year.
Our passing game will improve this year with OTAs, spring camp, and more reliable receivers.

Add a pounding running game to that and we win the AFCN, and go deep into the playoffs.

The more I see this team pulling together and see the pieces click in place, the better this team looks.

There are small issues, but guys they are small issues. One, or two guys need to develop, and it looks like they are developing.

[Slappy from New Haven]

Originally Posted by SunsetBengal

We have game changing RBs on board. With a good OL, most any RB can be a game changer.

I think he is a game changer in the red zone with BJGE and we needed that, Better Olnine play and Offensive scheme will help

[Ron Mexico]

Originally Posted by Nately120

Ehh, maybe...I'd still trade our RBs for a slew of other team's RBs at this moment. Then again, going into 2009 Benson was listed as a lousy starter and look what happened.

I would trade our top 2 RB's for almost ANY other teams top 2 RB's. If this team fails this year, it'll likely be because of the backfield.

[Nately120]

Originally Posted by Johnny Cupcakes

I would trade our top 2 RB's for almost ANY other teams top 2 RB's. If this team fails this year, it'll likely be because of the backfield.

Yea, not to be "that guy" but I recall when the Raiders were looking at Benson someone said something like "I bet Carson is regretting that trade now!" and I thought....um....

McFadden & Benson > Benson & Scott/BJGE & Scott

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by Johnny Cupcakes

I would trade our top 2 RB's for almost ANY other teams top 2 RB's. If this team fails this year, it'll likely be because of the backfield.

Good blocking makes a world of difference just ask Denver and their years of plug and play RBs.

[Ron Mexico]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

Good blocking makes a world of difference just ask Denver and their years of plug and play RBs.

True, but I'd rather the Bengals not have to rely completely on the O-Line to produce a good running game. I just don't see the Bengals RB's as anything special, and I would quickly trade them for another team's backfield. I'm not saying they CANT be successful, but just that I think it's the position group most likely to fail.

Definitely the weak point of the team.

[Bengalzona]

I don't know how the Law Firm will do haulin' the rock in the AFCN for a full season (a real test of manhood for an RB ). But there is one thing I really, really like about him.... he hasn't fumbled since high school. The man protects the rock. After some of Benson's untimely fumbles, I'm really gonna like that!

[fredtoast]

Originally Posted by Johnny Cupcakes

True, but I'd rather the Bengals not have to rely completely on the O-Line to produce a good running game. I just don't see the Bengals RB's as anything special, and I would quickly trade them for another team's backfield. I'm not saying they CANT be successful, but just that I think it's the position group most likely to fail.

Definitely the weak point of the team.

Our running backs are not that bad. If I could find that thread where we ranked them a few weeks ago I showed that they are about middle of the pack.

I would like to have a star RB, but our tandem is better than a lot of other teams. Or at least as good.

**EDIT** found the thread. http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=99461&page=4 I actually rank BJGE and Scott 22nd out of 32 teams. So not as high as I thought. It is a ten page thread, but you can find my analysis mostly on page 4 and 5.

[fredtoast]

BTW the NFL is a passing league. So I don't measure a successful running game by how many yards we get. All I care about is if we are able to run the ball when we HAVE to run the ball..

If we finish 20th in yards rushing, but are able to consitently convert on short yardage situations I will be thrilled with our running game. To me our inability to run the ball in short yardage situations has been the single biggest problem with our offense for a couple of years now.

[dr1441]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

Good blocking makes a world of difference just ask Denver and their years of plug and play RBs.

I must have missed the memo where we are starting to run zone blocking schemes like Denver for that comparison to even matter.

Good blocking can only go so far if BJGE or Scott can't hit the correct hole and burst through it.

So your telling me there wasn't good blocking on NE's line last year for BJGE to run through, yet he averaged a horrible yard per carry last year?

[fredtoast]

Originally Posted by dr1441

I must have missed the memo where we are starting to run zone blocking schemes like Denver for that comparison to even matter.

We have been running mostly a zone blocking scheme for a few years now.

[DWright]

Originally Posted by dr1441

I must have missed the memo where we are starting to run zone blocking schemes like Denver for that comparison to even matter.

Good blocking can only go so far if BJGE or Scott can't hit the correct hole and burst through it.

So your telling me there wasn't good blocking on NE's line last year for BJGE to run through, yet he averaged a horrible yard be carry last year?

That memo went out in the '09 off season.

[dr1441]

Originally Posted by fredtoast

We have been running mostly a zone blocking scheme for a few years now.

Originally Posted by DWright

That memo went out in the '09 off season.

Mostly isn't a zone blocking scheme.

That is like saying we run a few sets of 3-4 defenses with Zimmer so we are a 3-4 defense.

We ran alot more man blocking schemes then we did zone blocking schemes last year with Gruden.

[DWright]

Originally Posted by dr1441

Mostly isn't a zone blocking scheme.

That is like saying we run a few sets of 3-4 defenses with Zimmer so we are a 3-4 defense.

We ran alot more man blocking schemes then we did zone blocking schemes last year with Gruden.

Don't make things up man... They have been a zone blocking scheme since 2009. Yes they do some man blocking all teams do. In fact ALL pass pro is zone blocking.

[dr1441]

Originally Posted by DWright

Don't make things up man... They have been a zone blocking scheme since 2009. Yes they do some man blocking all teams do. In fact ALL pass pro is zone blocking.

Oh you mean when Bob B. was still our O-Cord right?

Come on, watch some game tape from last year and then come back and talk to me.

Typed in Ced Benson highlights and the first minute of the video there was only one highlight of a zone scheme that the O-Line ran. The rest were man schemes.

Oh and this video is older, not even last year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y7SnMpMcdo

[DWright]

Originally Posted by dr1441

Oh you mean when Bob B. was still our O-Cord right?

Come on, watch some game tape from last year and then come back and talk to me.

Typed in Ced Benson highlights and the first minute of the video there was only one highlight of a zone scheme that the O-Line ran. The rest were man schemes.

Oh and this video is older, not even last year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y7SnMpMcdo

LoL man that was zone blocking. Just because there were one on one matchups doesnt make it a man scheme. I understand its harder to notice a difference because unlike Houston and Denver the Bengals run alot more between the tackles, but if you load up your All 22 it makes it easier to spot especially with Pass Pro.

[dr1441]

Originally Posted by DWright

LoL man that was zone blocking. Just because there were one on one matchups doesnt make it a man scheme. I understand its harder to notice a difference because unlike Houston and Denver the Bengals run alot more between the tackles, but if you load up your All 22 it makes it easier to spot especially with Pass Pro.

Wow is all I can say. Even you should be ashamed watching those videos saying we run mostly a zone scheme.