Steelers lock up Brown

[SociopathicSteelerFan]

Originally Posted by Whatever

The NFL is full of one-year wonders that signed big money deals and later proved that they weren't worth it and fell into obscurity. I'd personally feel a lot more secure about giving a guy with back to back 1,000 yard seasons a little more money than I would about handing $8+ mill a year to a guy with one and who only scored 2 TD's in the process. If Brown has a monster year this year,what's to keep him from claiming he's underpaid under his current deal?

I've been pimping Brown since his first pre-season, it couldn't be more obvious that he's the real deal. As has been said before, he equaled the stats of your new god AJ and only started three games. NOw, if you confine your argument to him having proved he's a #1 WR you absolutely have a point. Good thing they only paid him #2 WR money.

Yes,Brown's deal is backloaded,but you're already over the 2013 cap,and Brown having a high cap figure in future years makes a long term deal with Wallace impractical,if not impossible. Thing about backloading deals is that eventually,it all adds up,and you've got to gut your franchise as all that dead money eats up your cap room.

I understand your concern, because the Steelers haven't shown a long history of working the cap and keeping whomever they wanted. It's very simple; Brown outplays contract it is reworked, he get's more upfront money and the cap hit is drastically reduced. Brown underplays his contract, he gets cut. Either way it's a non-issue.

Most of the arguments about why this is a smart move revolve around people's opinion that Brown is better than Wallace,and I'm not in that camp.

He is a better all around WR than Wallace. Anyone who watches our games knows this. Wallace possesses elite speed which obviously enables him to take the top off a defense. Brown may not have elite timed speed, and he's certainly not as fast as Wallace, but he's a very fast WR in game situations.

I've given logical reasons as to why this is a questionable move,which is pretty much offset by the HOPE that Brown will develop into a #1 WR. He hasn't proven it,yet,and since the Steelers have him locked up for the next two years,I think the smarter strategy would be to see what he does this year. Yes,he may cost a little more,but then you're a lot more sure about what you have. Just because you don't agree with that line of logic doesn't mean that it's not valid.

It's not because he's not being paid like a #1 WR. It would be safer to wait a year, not smarter. If Brown blows up this year, which he will, he would have commanded far more money than he got. But Brown is a humble guy, he's as far from a diva as you can get. He's happy with what he got, he's got an insane work ethic and this move will look more brilliant with each passing season.

[Amanda]

we can only hope that Sanders feet can stay healthy this year, especially with the possibility of being down wallace, but i think he'll sign before the 1st game

plus, all they would really have to do is draw an X with an arrow down the field and tell wallace thats him

[Whatever]

Originally Posted by SociopathicSteelerFan

I've been pimping Brown since his first pre-season, it couldn't be more obvious that he's the real deal. As has been said before, he equaled the stats of your new god AJ and only started three games. NOw, if you confine your argument to him having proved he's a #1 WR you absolutely have a point. Good thing they only paid him #2 WR money.



I understand your concern, because the Steelers haven't shown a long history of working the cap and keeping whomever they wanted. It's very simple; Brown outplays contract it is reworked, he get's more upfront money and the cap hit is drastically reduced. Brown underplays his contract, he gets cut. Either way it's a non-issue.




He is a better all around WR than Wallace. Anyone who watches our games knows this. Wallace possesses elite speed which obviously enables him to take the top off a defense. Brown may not have elite timed speed, and he's certainly not as fast as Wallace, but he's a very fast WR in game situations.




It's not because he's not being paid like a #1 WR. It would be safer to wait a year, not smarter. If Brown blows up this year, which he will, he would have commanded far more money than he got. But Brown is a humble guy, he's as far from a diva as you can get. He's happy with what he got, he's got an insane work ethic and this move will look more brilliant with each passing season.

As has already been covered in this thread,Brown was thrown to more than both Wallace and Green this season. He was targeted 123 times,compared to 116 for Green and 113 for Wallace. He didn't really come close to Green and Wallace's production when you factor in TD catches,either. 2 TD's is a joke for a WR that got the ball thrown his way 123 times. Green had 7 TD's and Wallace had 8. Three starts is semantics,anyways,because we all know Hines Ward barely played last year,and targets makes starts meaningless.

To further my point,if Brown is the real deal,as you claim,then why do Ben's numbers drop when throwing the ball his way? Ben had a 63.2 completion % last year,but only completed 55.2% of his passes to Brown. He completed 63.7% of his passes in Wallace's direction,however. He had a 4.1% TD percentage last year,but only a 1.6% TD percentage throwing to Brown[7.1% to Wallace]. I would think that if Brown was really that great,Ben's numbers would at least stay level,not drop dramatically. Statistically,it would seem that Brown is a manufactured 1,000 yard receiver who makes yards simply because the QB keeps throwing it at him.

As far as the Steelers working the cap and keeping whoever they want,I've never seen the Steelers in this bad of cap shape before,and we've heard all offseason about how the Steelers wanted to keep Wallace,so spare me the rah rah line.

[Luvnit2]

Originally Posted by Whatever

Hard to say,honestly. Colbert is probably using the same tactics with Wallace that Mike Brown used with Carson Palmer. In other words,he will repeat over and over again that Wallace will not be traded in order to prevent a bunch of lowball offers and make an interested team come with an over the top offer in order to get him. Smart move. There's really nothing to be gained by advertising to the world that you're taking offers and looking desperate in the process.

One huge problem with your sceanario. Steelers can't trade Wallace unless he signs the one year tender. Then they have until the trade deadline to trade him which is wround week 6 in the past, but I think is getting moved back a bit this year. They would also needs Wallace's approval to trade him. As far as 2013, again, they can't trade Wallace because he is not under contract and if the put tag on him, they aren't allowed to trade him under new CBA.

The difference was Palmer was under contract and failed to report and bengals had Palmer ties up. Steelers can't tie up Wallace for purpose of trading him. They need Wallace to agree to any future deals unless they can get him signed to a long term contract which seems highly unlike ly right now.

[GreggyDigital]

Originally Posted by Whatever

As far as the Steelers working the cap and keeping whoever they want,I've never seen the Steelers in this bad of cap shape before,and we've heard all offseason about how the Steelers wanted to keep Wallace,so spare me the rah rah line.

Lol.

They hug the cap line EVERY YEAR and were what? 20 million over last year? A few restructures and new deals. Maybe a cut and they're ready to sign all their young talent.

Omar Khan laughs at wanna be cap specialist like yourself. Tell me more about why this is a bad deal because "8 million per year" is number 1 money? And completely disregard it's only about 9 million guaranteed. Just for reference, the Bengals gave about 8 million guaranteed (2010) to Antonio Bryant coming in with degenerative knees. How did he work out for the Bengals with his "number 1 money?"

But, keep criticizing the Steeler's front office move for signing their 2012 team pro bowler and MVP. Makes you sound smart.

Edit: Just as a jumping off point, Vincent Jackson got "number 1 money" this year to the tune of 22 million dollars guaranteed. More than double what the Steelers got Brown for.

Oh, look at this: Pierre Garcon's contract details for his new deal with the Washington Redskins have come out, and the former Indianapolis Colts receiver is going to make a good amount of money. Garcon's contract is for five years and about $42.5 million, with $21.5 million guaranteed.

That looks familiar, right? 5 year deal for 42 million except, you know, the more than double the signing bonus. Are you starting to understand why the deal is so perfect for a guy like AB?

[Bmoreblitz]

Originally Posted by GreggyDigital

Lol.

They hug the cap line EVERY YEAR and were what? 20 million over last year? A few restructures and new deals. Maybe a cut and they're ready to sign all their young talent.

.

Just FYI cuts still go towards the cap. A depending on when the cut happens is sometimes more of a cap hit than if you keep the player.

[GreggyDigital]

Originally Posted by Bmoreblitz

Just FYI cuts still go towards the cap. A depending on when the cut happens is sometimes more of a cap hit than if you keep the player.

Of course some do.

But, like when the Steelers cut Jonathon Scott, it freed up over two million in cap space.

Most cuts are made to save money and obviously that's what I was talking about in my post but thanks for adding!

[Wet Crevice]

Do any steeler fans want to go on record and say that brown or wallace will out perform AJ Green this year?

[GreggyDigital]

Originally Posted by Wet Crevice

Do any steeler fans want to go on record and say that brown or wallace will out perform AJ Green this year?

They probably won't but I wouldn't be totally surprised if they did.

I worry more about team records than I do individual records.

[Wet Crevice]

Originally Posted by GreggyDigital

They probably won't but I wouldn't be totally surprised if they did.

I worry more about team records than I do individual records.

Why do you think they probably won't?

[GreggyDigital]

Originally Posted by Wet Crevice

Why do you think they probably won't?

Because the Steelers have two good receivers to share the ball with while the Bengals have Jordan Shipley.

[Wet Crevice]

Originally Posted by GreggyDigital

Because the Steelers have two good receivers to share the ball with while the Bengals have Jordan Shipley.

And that's the only reason?

[GreggyDigital]

Originally Posted by Wet Crevice

And that's the only reason?

Are you fishing for complements on AJ's behalf?

That's pretty needy.

[Wet Crevice]

Originally Posted by GreggyDigital

Are you fishing for complements on AJ's behalf?

That's pretty needy.

I'm fishing for honesty.

btw when was the last time a rookie steeler receiver had as many catches as Shipley?

[GreggyDigital]

Originally Posted by Wet Crevice

I'm fishing for honesty.

btw when was the last time a rookie steeler receiver had as many catches as Shipley?

Steelers don't normally play rookies so who cares?

[Wet Crevice]

Originally Posted by GreggyDigital

Steelers don't normally play rookies so who cares?

They played mike wallace as a rookie. A lot.

If you were starting a franchise tomorrow and you had to choose between wallace, brown and green, who do you take?

[browns town bengal]

Originally Posted by GreggyDigital

Because the Steelers have two good receivers to share the ball with while the Bengals have Jordan Shipley.

I thought they had a three headed monster with sanders. Are we not talking about him anymore?

[GreggyDigital]

Originally Posted by Wet Crevice

They played mike wallace as a rookie. A lot.

If you were starting a franchise tomorrow and you had to choose between wallace, brown and green, who do you take?

I would take a QB.

And, now that I look at it, Wallace did have more touchdowns and yards than Shipley as a rookie. Shame he didn't catch a bunch of short passes to inflate his numbers so I could brag about it.

[GreggyDigital]

Originally Posted by browns town bengal

I thought they had a three headed monster with sanders. Are we not talking about him anymore?

He's having a great camp, actually. Looking forward to seeing how his foot is doing.

[Wet Crevice]

Originally Posted by browns town bengal

I thought they had a three headed monster with sanders. Are we not talking about him anymore?

They played sanders as a rookie too.

[Wet Crevice]

Originally Posted by GreggyDigital

I would take a QB.

And, now that I look at it, Wallace did have more touchdowns and yards than Shipley as a rookie. Shame he didn't catch a bunch of short passes to inflate his numbers so I could brag about it.

Terrible deflection.

I guess I need to change my bait because I'm not catching much honesty today.

And if wallace could run a few more routes he'd have more catches.

[GreggyDigital]

Originally Posted by Wet Crevice

They played sanders as a rookie too.

Check how many targets he had as opposed to Shipley's rookie year.

It's comical you use a new name when your other one isn't even banned.

[GreggyDigital]

Originally Posted by Wet Crevice

Terrible deflection.

I guess I need to change my bait because I'm not catching much honesty today.

And if wallace could run a few more routes he'd have more catches.

Yeah, because asking me to build a franchise on the WR position is outstanding logic.

[Wet Crevice]

Originally Posted by GreggyDigital

Check how many targets he had as opposed to Shipley's rookie year.

It's comical you use a new name when your other one isn't even banned.

You said the steelers don't normally play rookies. Sanders, brown and wallace all played as rookies.

Why is it every time I start proving a steeler fan wrong they start saying i'm someone else. Rhetorical, I know.

[Wet Crevice]

Originally Posted by GreggyDigital

Yeah, because asking me to build a franchise on the WR position is outstanding logic.

OK. Pretend you already have a QB.

Wallace, Brown, green. Who do you take?