Immunizations for Newborns

[busamboy]

For those of you that have had this dilemma, I am just now starting the research on which shots I want to get my newborn when it comes time. I am already reading very bad things with the very first shots that the little one (Still don't know the sex) will be getting in the first hours of birth.

I would like to have a real discussion, hear some opinions, and hopefully some of you know of some studies that have been done or personal experiences to bring to the table. I want to do the right thing, and definitely do not want to do anything that will contribute to autism or any other permanent disease just to avoid a sickness that is easily treatable with common medicines we have today.

I am very interested in where this conversation can go. When I read stuff like this, it is certainly scary and you realize this is a very important decision that can have real consequences.

http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.c...ges-the-liver/
http://eaglerock.patch.com/articles/...cinated-or-not

[The Bengal Thing]

Originally Posted by busamboy

For those of you that have had this dilemma, I am just now starting the research on which shots I want to get my newborn when it comes time. I am already reading very bad things with the very first shots that the little one (Still don't know the sex) will be getting in the first hours of birth.

I would like to have a real discussion, hear some opinions, and hopefully some of you know of some studies that have been done or personal experiences to bring to the table. I want to do the right thing, and definitely do not want to do anything that will contribute to autism or any other permanent disease just to avoid a sickness that is easily treatable with common medicines we have today.

I am very interested in where this conversation can go. When I read stuff like this, it is certainly scary and you realize this is a very important decision that can have real consequences.

http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.c...ges-the-liver/
http://eaglerock.patch.com/articles/...cinated-or-not

Dude.... I feel your pain.

I researched the crap outta the topic when I had my first. Honestly I did so much reading and reading and READING I made myself CRAZY. Probably not what you want to hear, but truthfully I don't remember much of ANYTHING about it now. My wife and I discussed it (she researched it too) and he pretty much just decided to get all the recommended ones and leave the rest to God.

Good luck man!!! ....and CONGRATS

[Wingnut]

I would suggest you start by researching the diseases themselves.

Measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis A and B, polio, diptheria, pertussis, tetanus, rotavirus, pneumococcal and meningococcal diseases, etc.

These are all very real diseases that cause very real problems.

Here's a link from the American Academy of Pediatrics...

https://www2.aap.org/immunization/il...illnesses.html

Next research the epidemiology of these diseases in the US before and after immunizations.

Then compare the epidemiology of these diseases in other countries that don't have vaccination programs such as the US. Better yet, volunteer abroad to work in a medical clinic in a country where they don't routinely vaccinate so you can see these diseases at work first hand.

I'll get you started...

http://emedicine.medscape.com/articl...erview#showall



No vaccine is 100% effective. No vaccine is 100% free of adverse reactions.

But, when you study the epidemiology of these diseases as I have suggested it becomes clear that these vaccinations prevent disease.

We live in a time and place that your grandparents probably can't recall seeing a person afflicted with polio. So now people are more scared of the polio vaccine than actual polio.

Lastly, I want you to show me one legitimate study which links autism to vaccines. This association was started by a British doctor with the MMR vaccine who has been completely discredited, his results never duplicated by anyone, and he stood to make millions of dollars from a vaccine which would replace the MMR vaccine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy

[savagehenry54]

Originally Posted by busamboy

For those of you that have had this dilemma, I am just now starting the research on which shots I want to get my newborn when it comes time. I am already reading very bad things with the very first shots that the little one (Still don't know the sex) will be getting in the first hours of birth.

I would like to have a real discussion, hear some opinions, and hopefully some of you know of some studies that have been done or personal experiences to bring to the table. I want to do the right thing, and definitely do not want to do anything that will contribute to autism or any other permanent disease just to avoid a sickness that is easily treatable with common medicines we have today.

I am very interested in where this conversation can go. When I read stuff like this, it is certainly scary and you realize this is a very important decision that can have real consequences.

http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.c...ges-the-liver/
http://eaglerock.patch.com/articles/...cinated-or-not

I feel you dude, but when my kid's pediatrician says "I give these shots to my kids", I just go with that.

And congratulations btw!!!

[berserkerone88]

Congrats man!
And get your child all the recommended shots.
Im a strong believer in them and I have seen that most accusations against them are bunk. The big thing used to be about autism being caused by vaccines. Complete bull ****. (Funny enough there is an episode of Bull ****! on it) anyways....Yeah. Get your kid vaccinated.

In the one article they talk about liver damage, your kid will probably **** that up in college like 95% of the people I went to school with.

[Beaker]

Get your kid its shots.

[busamboy]

I should have been a bit more clear I guess. The biggest fear that I have is getting Hep B shot when a child is unlikely to get a sexually transmitted disease or transferring from a needle from drugs. A baby does not even have a functioning liver for the first 4 or 5 days.

I would never even dream of not getting my kid no vaccines for his whole life. It is giving it a vaccine that could damage his body because the kidneys don't work yet. That goes for the Vitamin K shot too. The more I read about it, the more likely it is to cause an issue than what it is supposed to protect.

I read (although not confirmed) that 1 in 10,000 babies are born with the blod clotting issues. That means 9,999 babies that do not need the shot of Vitamin K are getting it at a time when the Liver can not get rid of the dangerous chemicals in them. (Which really begs the question, why the hell do they put the dangerous chemicals in them in the first place. Is it really that hard to make only Vitamin K?). If the mother eats a diet semi heavy in vitamin k the last few weeks and the couple after, the baby should get enough before it is born from the mother, plus still get some Vitamin K from breast feeding.

[busamboy]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

Congrats man!
And get your child all the recommended shots.
Im a strong believer in them and I have seen that most accusations against them are bunk. The big thing used to be about autism being caused by vaccines. Complete bull ****. (Funny enough there is an episode of Bull ****! on it) anyways....Yeah. Get your kid vaccinated.

In the one article they talk about liver damage, your kid will probably **** that up in college like 95% of the people I went to school with.

Here is the thing. Only each vaccine has been tested against this theory, not the entire collection. I mean you are talking about 30 something vaccines (with mercury, sulfiric acid, furmaldhide, etc.) that build up in the system. The chemicals have been proven that they can break down DNA and can get into the brain, which is why they are considered dangerous if ingested or even touched.

Now I know I received mine and have no problems, but when I grew up there was only like 10. Now there is 30 something? Like really?!

So again, it isn't 1 individually that I am worried about per say (minus the Hep B) that I am worried about, it is the entire collection, which has not been performed.

Also, I know this has nothing to do with anything, but I relate this very similar in a way to global warming. All the science says it is not real (at least what they make public to us), but anyone with a brain can tell that there is something going on there. All the science may say no to Autism, but I know there is something going on there. I think that the rate of autism has grown by something like 1000% more likely.

And then (since I am on the conspiracty theories), who would even want to change it if it is broken? No one would. There is too much money to be made off of poisoning our children and making them need medicine their entire life. I know this country is run by corporations, and that is why laws were passed to protect the makers of the vaccines from lawsuits. Something is fishy there and it just doesn't sit well with me.

I know I have a lot of train of thoughts here, but bare with me. My mind is in super drive mode when it comes to this. Feel free to rip anything I say. Hell, my wife is about tired of me bringing up the horror stories already. She couldn't even enjoy Big Brother cause I was in her ear about how this is bad and this caused this to happen to this persons kid...blah blah blah.

[Morning Star]

Yeah when we grew up they were given seperate.. I am anti-vaccine because there are links to sickness and vaccines..Also, children with a history of allergies when received the shots were more likely to get autisim..They are not good for you and actually preserved with aborted tissue cells..

[fredtoast]

Originally Posted by busamboy

There is too much money to be made off of poisoning our children and making them need medicine their entire life. I know this country is run by corporations, and that is why laws were passed to protect the makers of the vaccines from lawsuits. Something is fishy there and it just doesn't sit well with me.

Vaccinations DRAMATICALLY REDUCE the number of sick people.

[fredtoast]

Originally Posted by busamboy

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Also, I know this has nothing to do with anything, but I relate this very similar in a way to global warming. All the science says it is not real (at least what they make public to us), but anyone with a brain can tell that there is something going on there. All the science may say no to Autism, but I know there is something going on there. I think that the rate of autism has grown by something like 1000% more likely.

1. Most of the science released to the public shows that global warming is a fact and that a lot of it is due to mans carbon emissions.


2. Autism is being more widely diagnosed because of the services available to kids with autism.

[The Noob Avenger]

Originally Posted by busamboy

For those of you that have had this dilemma, I am just now starting the research on which shots I want to get my newborn when it comes time. I am already reading very bad things with the very first shots that the little one (Still don't know the sex) will be getting in the first hours of birth.

I would like to have a real discussion, hear some opinions, and hopefully some of you know of some studies that have been done or personal experiences to bring to the table. I want to do the right thing, and definitely do not want to do anything that will contribute to autism or any other permanent disease just to avoid a sickness that is easily treatable with common medicines we have today.

I am very interested in where this conversation can go. When I read stuff like this, it is certainly scary and you realize this is a very important decision that can have real consequences.

http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.c...ges-the-liver/
http://eaglerock.patch.com/articles/...cinated-or-not

Don't listen to the tinfoil hats.

Get the bare minimum of recommended ones if you're worried about them. In the end, the miniscule (if not zero) chance of a complication is better than your child getting polio or starting an avoidable outbreak among other unvaccinated kids.

Oh, and don't ever get them Flu vaccines. Those are actually useless.

[Morning Star]

Originally Posted by fredtoast

Vaccinations DRAMATICALLY REDUCE the number of sick people.

They dramatically reduce the number of healthy people too from side effects!!

[fredtoast]

Originally Posted by Morning Star

They dramatically reduce the number of healthy people too from side effects!!

No they don't. That just is not true.

[The Noob Avenger]

Originally Posted by busamboy

I should have been a bit more clear I guess. The biggest fear that I have is getting Hep B shot when a child is unlikely to get a sexually transmitted disease or transferring from a needle from drugs. A baby does not even have a functioning liver for the first 4 or 5 days.

I would never even dream of not getting my kid no vaccines for his whole life. It is giving it a vaccine that could damage his body because the kidneys don't work yet. That goes for the Vitamin K shot too. The more I read about it, the more likely it is to cause an issue than what it is supposed to protect.

I read (although not confirmed) that 1 in 10,000 babies are born with the blod clotting issues. That means 9,999 babies that do not need the shot of Vitamin K are getting it at a time when the Liver can not get rid of the dangerous chemicals in them. (Which really begs the question, why the hell do they put the dangerous chemicals in them in the first place. Is it really that hard to make only Vitamin K?). If the mother eats a diet semi heavy in vitamin k the last few weeks and the couple after, the baby should get enough before it is born from the mother, plus still get some Vitamin K from breast feeding.

I'm pretty sure I didn't get a Hepatitis shot until like high school.

Be aware though, that most colleges require Hepatitis immunizations before allowing admission. Something to think about.

[Morning Star]

Originally Posted by fredtoast

No they don't. That just is not true.

You are abliss to this..Autisim did not start until the MMR vaccine came out.They are also perserved with mercury..I can give you links but you will ignore the evidence if it was right in front of your computer!!!!!!!!

[The Noob Avenger]

Originally Posted by Morning Star

You are abliss to this..Autisim did not start until the MMR vaccine came out.They are also perserved with mercury..I can give you links but you will ignore the evidence if it was right in front of your computer!!!!!!!!

If you post an article from "vaccinesareevilandbad.com" we will absolutely ignore it.

If you post a scholarly article, or an independently verified finding from a reputable source, then we will listen. That's how debate works.

[Morning Star]

http://drjaygordon.com/vaccinations/...-immunity.html


Just sayin there have been more side effects than reported..He also states on his website that breastfeeding kills a lot of those diseases..Not all the time but most of the time.

[Morning Star]

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011...shots-vaccines


another good read..Just we combine them and that is what makes them deadly.

[The Noob Avenger]

Originally Posted by Morning Star

http://drjaygordon.com/vaccinations/...-immunity.html


Just sayin there have been more side effects than reported..He also states on his website that breastfeeding kills a lot of those diseases..Not all the time but most of the time.

Jay Gordon is a notorious anti-vaccine champion. Anything on his site will be biased. I mean an independent source from a scientist that has no personal stake in the debate.

[The Noob Avenger]

Originally Posted by Morning Star

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011...shots-vaccines


another good read..Just we combine them and that is what makes them deadly.

This article describes the opinions of a model on how she thinks an actual scientific study is wrong.

I'm looking for a concrete scientific study that proves vaccinations are harmful from an unbiased source.

[Morning Star]

Originally Posted by The Noob Avenger

Jay Gordon is a notorious anti-vaccine champion. Anything on his site will be biased. I mean an independent source from a scientist that has no personal stake in the debate.

Sorry, don't use independant sources, there not independant if they side with one thing..you side with one thing or another we are not independant people..

[The Noob Avenger]

Originally Posted by Morning Star

Sorry, don't use independant sources, there not independant if they side with one thing..you side with one thing or another we are not independant people..

So basically you're saying "if it differs from my worldview, it's wrong."

I think this discussion is over.

[Morning Star]

Originally Posted by The Noob Avenger

So basically you're saying "if it differs from my worldview, it's wrong."

I think this discussion is over.

Just do not know of any independant sources, just seem like they will side with one or the other..Vaccines did stop polio but that was only 1 now we have many...

[SteelCitySouth]

Originally Posted by Morning Star

Yeah when we grew up they were given seperate.. I am anti-vaccine because there are links to sickness and vaccines..Also, children with a history of allergies when received the shots were more likely to get autisim..They are not good for you and actually preserved with aborted tissue cells..

This research and the researcher were both debunked and the scientist/researcher has been sanctioned for falsifying data.