Official 2012 Reds Thread

[Helldog]

By golly, we need to get them bats going !

[RoarOfTheBengal]

No need to go into panic mode. Baseball is a game of streaks. The Reds helped themselves churn through the majority of Votto's DL time by overperforming.

[Helldog]

Originally Posted by RoarOfTheBengal

No need to go into panic mode. Baseball is a game of streaks. The Reds helped themselves churn through the majority of Votto's DL time by overperforming.

I wasn't necessarily panicking, just didn't want this super hot streak to end lol. The last time we lost a series was July 2-4. Anyhow, I agree with what you said.

[dr1441]

Not panicking yet but our starters outside of Cueto and Latos have been awful as of late.

Not making a move for a pitcher is looking like a bad move, hopefully it gets turned around.

[Ben zoo 2]

Originally Posted by dr1441

Not panicking yet but our starters outside of Cueto and Latos have been awful as of late.

Not making a move for a pitcher is looking like a bad move, hopefully it gets turned around.

The offense is picking a bad time to tank too.

[Bengals Mike]

Originally Posted by Ben zoo 2

The offense is picking a bad time to tank too.

is there a timeline on Votto's return yet? all I heard was this week but I haven't heard a set day or specifics yet

[Patrick D from 83]

You Red's fans might not like this, but I think how well your team has done with Votto out is really going to hurt him in the MVP race more than anything. If McCutchen missed the time that Votto has missed the Pirates would be dead in the water. Assuming the Pirates at least finish .500 its going to go to Cutch.

Take it in stride though, because I'm acknowledging the Reds have a much better team in saying this. What you guys did the last month was unbelievable. I can't see the Pirates pulling a streak that good w/o their best player.

[jjenn300]

They will be all right, they got the Scrubs ( I mean Cubs) for 4 games. That will cure any losing streak!!!

[BANJAXED]

Originally Posted by Patrick D from 83

You Red's fans might not like this, but I think how well your team has done with Votto out is really going to hurt him in the MVP race more than anything. If McCutchen missed the time that Votto has missed the Pirates would be dead in the water. Assuming the Pirates at least finish .500 its going to go to Cutch.

Take it in stride though, because I'm acknowledging the Reds have a much better team in saying this. What you guys did the last month was unbelievable. I can't see the Pirates pulling a streak that good w/o their best player.

what part didnt we want to hear?

[Patrick D from 83]

Originally Posted by BANJAXED

what part didnt we want to hear?

The part that McCutchen is the MVP and not Votto.

[BANJAXED]

Originally Posted by Patrick D from 83

The part that McCutchen is the MVP and not Votto.

lol MVP means nothing to Votto

he already has one of those

time for a World Series Crown

Mr. Fancy Pants

[Patrick D from 83]

Originally Posted by BANJAXED

lol MVP means nothing to Votto

he already has one of those

time for a World Series Crown

Mr. Fancy Pants

Who said anything about Votto? It's the fans that'll get butthurt.

Whodey1302 argued for it a few pages back in fact.

So when the Reds choke the postseason away Votto for MVP will be they got left, so how bout that.

[BANJAXED]

Originally Posted by Patrick D from 83

Who said anything about Votto? It's the fans that'll get butthurt.

Whodey1302 argued for it a few pages back in fact.

So when the Reds choke the postseason away Votto for MVP will be they got left, so how bout that.

the only people that will be butt hurt are the Butt Pirate fans that get neither trophy for their stinkin city!

[BengalYankee]

Originally Posted by BANJAXED

the only people that will be butt hurt are the Butt Pirate fans that get neither trophy for their stinkin city!

[Patrick D from 83]

Originally Posted by BengalYankee

Aren't you a Yankee fan?

Thanks for A.J. Burnett btw.

[Beaker]

Originally Posted by Patrick D from 83

If McCutchen missed the time that Votto has missed the Pirates would be dead in the water.

The pirates are dead in the water. Their annual free fall has only been delayed.

[Patrick D from 83]

Originally Posted by Beaker

The pirates are dead in the water. Their annual free fall has only been delayed.

Til when, 2013?

[BengalYankee]

Originally Posted by Patrick D from 83

Aren't you a Yankee fan?

Thanks for A.J. Burnett btw.

An excuse to post the gif i just found

[Ben zoo 2]

Originally Posted by Patrick D from 83

You Red's fans might not like this, but I think how well your team has done with Votto out is really going to hurt him in the MVP race more than anything. If McCutchen missed the time that Votto has missed the Pirates would be dead in the water. Assuming the Pirates at least finish .500 its going to go to Cutch.

Take it in stride though, because I'm acknowledging the Reds have a much better team in saying this. What you guys did the last month was unbelievable. I can't see the Pirates pulling a streak that good w/o their best player.

Don't really care about the individual award. I want some postseason success for the reds this year. Votto is a great player. Cutch is having a great year no doubt and is well on his way to being a great player. Just needs to keep doing it.

[Ali]

Originally Posted by Bengals Mike

is there a timeline on Votto's return yet? all I heard was this week but I haven't heard a set day or specifics yet

Giancarlo Stanton took about a full month (07/07-08/06). Expect about another week on Votto (07/17-08/16ish). Dusty even said he likely won't be back this week.

If I'm the Reds I am very VERY careful with him. We've still got a decent cushion and would prefer him in October over August any and everyday. He'll robably be back by the end of next week

Originally Posted by Patrick D from 83

You Red's fans might not like this, but I think how well your team has done with Votto out is really going to hurt him in the MVP race more than anything. If McCutchen missed the time that Votto has missed the Pirates would be dead in the water. Assuming the Pirates at least finish .500 its going to go to Cutch.

Take it in stride though, because I'm acknowledging the Reds have a much better team in saying this. What you guys did the last month was unbelievable. I can't see the Pirates pulling a streak that good w/o their best player.

Their best player is the only reason they're in contention because the rest of their team isn't very good outside of Hanrahan and Burnett.

I would be very shocked if McCutchen's BA was over .330 by season's end and, honestly, would not be shocked to see it fall to about .300. He had a torrid month where he batted like .550 (mid-June to mid-July) that has really inflated his BA but baseball is usually a game of statistics as a 162-game season typically should be. Yes, anomalies exist, but considering the guy fell to .259 last year away from his norm (he is 25, yes, but he's been in the league 4 years) of about .285, I'd expect him to finish with an "up year" to make up for his down-ish year (after a September freefall) in the .315ish range.

Go ahead and quote me on that one if you'd like. No higher than a .330 BA for McCutchen by the end of 2012. BTW, if Votto goes on a Votto-like tear to end the season and the Reds end up with 95+ wins...He'll get the MVP.

Originally Posted by dr1441

Not panicking yet but our starters outside of Cueto and Latos have been awful as of late.

Not making a move for a pitcher is looking like a bad move, hopefully it gets turned around.

Lest you forget, Bailey was our best and most consistent pitcher throughout the month of July posting a 4-0 record with a 2.61 ERA.

Unless "as of late" only applies to the last week

BTW, you'd still be wrong as Cueto's ERA would be near 5.0

[Ali]

BTW, as for tomorrow's matchup...The theme here will be that something's got to give!

Chris Volstad is winless in his last 21 starts. That is not a typo...21 winless starts!

The Reds are now the not-so-proud owners of a 4 game losing streak.

Mike Leake is 1-2 since the end of June in 6 starts and has 10 no decisions in 21 starts.

Initial appearances of this matchup should suggest that the Reds should and will win against a hapless Cubs team with a guy who is winless in his last 21 starts (dating back to last year) and possesses a 7.22 ERA with 8 losses in 10 decisions. Against the best hitting pitcher in baseball.

But, the Reds are starting to struggle (although the Cubs are at 8 straight losses) and it is in Wrigley Field (where the Cubs actually own a winning record of 27-24) so anything can happen.

But I think that we win to break our losing streak and take 3 out of 4 from this series.

[Patrick D from 83]

Originally Posted by Ali

Their best player is the only reason they're in contention because the rest of their team isn't very good outside of Hanrahan and Burnett.

I would be very shocked if McCutchen's BA was over .330 by season's end and, honestly, would not be shocked to see it fall to about .300. He had a torrid month where he batted like .550 (mid-June to mid-July) that has really inflated his BA but baseball is usually a game of statistics as a 162-game season typically should be. Yes, anomalies exist, but considering the guy fell to .259 last year away from his norm (he is 25, yes, but he's been in the league 4 years) of about .285, I'd expect him to finish with an "up year" to make up for his down-ish year (after a September freefall) in the .315ish range.

Go ahead and quote me on that one if you'd like. No higher than a .330 BA for McCutchen by the end of 2012. BTW, if Votto goes on a Votto-like tear to end the season and the Reds end up with 95+ wins...He'll get the MVP.

What does being in the league 4 years have to do with it? Age and your prime are usually mid to late 20s. So McCutchen gets punished because was playing full time on the Pirates when he was still very young and Votto gets looked upon higher because he wasn't a full time player until he was 24 and turned 25 in the season?

When Votto was 25 he had his first full season batting over .300. I don't think its a surprise that McCutchen is in the process of doing the same thing. McCutchen's stats aren't an anomaly because of one good stretch, he's hit over .300 every month the entire season. In fact he's hit over .360 in EVERY MONTH except April, so that far exceeds the one month theory you're throwing out here.

In May McCutchen hit .360, in June .370, in July an otherworldly .446, and in August so far he's hitting .381. His worst month of the entire season was April, where he had a .302 average. So we are approaching a 3.5 month time frame where he hit over .360 the whole time.

Even if McCutchen cools off all the way down to the .315 you expect, as long as he ends up around 30 hrs and 90ish for rbs he'll win it as long as the Pirates are in any kind of contention when September starts. Votto has missed too much time and the Reds have proven how good they are without him still. McCutchen, on the other hand, is the true most valuable player on a team that would be nowhere without him.

[Ali]

Originally Posted by Patrick D from 83

What does being in the league 4 years have to do with it? Age and your prime are usually mid to late 20s. So McCutchen gets punished because was playing full time on the Pirates when he was still very young and Votto gets looked upon higher because he wasn't a full time player until he was 24 and turned 25 in the season?

4th year in the league means you've been there a while and usually your recent numbers are indicative of your career numbers. Don't believe me? I don't care, it's the truth.

But if you'd like an example: Jay Bruce in his 5th year has a career BA of .255. Although he had a few torrid streaks and an early BA over .300, we all expected something closer to .260 than to .300. Because he's been around long enough that his recent numbers (.256 & .281) are more likely accurate than his current numbers over a 162-game season.

When Votto was 25 he had his first full season batting over .300. I don't think its a surprise that McCutchen is in the process of doing the same thing. McCutchen's stats aren't an anomaly because of one good stretch, he's hit over .300 every month the entire season. In fact he's hit over .360 in EVERY MONTH except April, so that far exceeds the one month theory you're throwing out here.

In May McCutchen hit .360, in June .370, in July an otherworldly .446, and in August so far he's hitting .381. His worst month of the entire season was April, where he had a .302 average. So we are approaching a 3.5 month time frame where he hit over .360 the whole time.[/quote]

In April he hit .302...Wonder why that's left off of there.

Regardless, I like how 4 years means nothing when you're talking about your guy versus 3 months. He'll cool down, it's inevitable (barring injury).

Even if McCutchen cools off all the way down to the .315 you expect, as long as he ends up around 30 hrs and 90ish for rbs he'll win it as long as the Pirates are in any kind of contention when September starts. Votto has missed too much time and the Reds have proven how good they are without him still. McCutchen, on the other hand, is the true most valuable player on a team that would be nowhere without him.

BTW, I like how it's obvious that McCutchen wins it. The NL MVP could be a number of guys including Cutch, Votto, Melky, Posey, Braun, Holliday & David Wright.

BTW...What are you doing on a Reds thread? Go make a pirates thread that you can ****** about the umpiring in and try to convince others that the Pirates won't collapse.

Again.

In August/September of 2011: 18-38 (32.1 WP)
In August/September of 2010: 20-36 (35.7 WP)
In August/September of 2009: 17-39 (30.3 WP)

Also, it's very hard to keep up the lucky pace you've had when you've scored 449 runs while giving up 415. Statistically, that equates to a 51.96 projected winning percentage.

Or a projected record of 84-78. Congrats on being on pace to break the streak for most consecutive losing seasons in North American history!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NashvilleBengalfan]

I think it was realistic to think we would go on a little losing streak.... hard to keep up that kind of intensity.....I believe we get back to winning this series against the cubs...



I hope we go deep in the playoffs this year...GO REDS !

[whodey1302]

Baseball is a game of streaks; hitting, slumps, winning, losing, pitching, scoring. All of those things are streaky. The Reds just had the most unbelievable month since 1890. This was bound to happen.

The 1990 Reds had 3 losing streaks of at least 5 games and one of them went to 8 games. There is no doom and gloom around this club. They are 19-7 without Votto and 22-7 since the All Star Break.

As others have hinted, if ANY other team loses it's MVP, let alone a league MVP, the wheels could and likely would have fallen completely off the bus. This team has what it takes IMO to make a deep postseason run.