Traitor Palmer says he's never been more excited for a season

[Dalton's_Gang]

Originally Posted by BoomerFan

I hope they lose every game this year. Seriously.

dude, get over it . if it wasnt for him leaving and being traded guess what? No Dre Kirkpatrick and no extra 2013 2nd rounder.

[Dalton's_Gang]

Originally Posted by Johnny Cupcakes

You're negative to other posters on a Bengals site because they aren't talking about what you like. I'm negative towards a player that turned into a giant vag and quit on his team. No real comparison.

Stop being such a bummer.....especially on your birthday. Hopefully it was at least a good one.

i dont see how he was being negative in his comment. this whole thread is one big negative lets hate palmer thread even though we should forget him and go on. palmer is no different than you or i wanting to quit and go on to something better in your/mine/palmer's eyes. i quit my job makin decent money for the area i lived in to go to school and currently work a part time job at a gas station. does that make me a quitter?

[Ron Mexico]

Originally Posted by Dalton's_Gang

i dont see how he was being negative in his comment. this whole thread is one big negative lets hate palmer thread even though we should forget him and go on. palmer is no different than you or i wanting to quit and go on to something better in your/mine/palmer's eyes. i quit my job makin decent money for the area i lived in to go to school and currently work a part time job at a gas station. does that make me a quitter?

Were you under contract with your old job? If so, then yes.....you're a quitter. You quit your old job to further your education by going back to school. The difference between you and Palmer is.....Palmer is a millionaire that was under contract from a team that WAY over-payed him to watch him consistently be mediocre, then decided to whine his way out of town. You had a job, and felt like bettering your life. Good for you. But when you're out of college, and you start a job......finish it. I'm not saying work there for the rest of your life, but if you sign a 6 year contract.....work out the 6 years.

Oh well, comparing you with Carson Palmer is like comparing apples with cinderblocks. I'm gonna go ahead and bow out of this thread. It's the same arguments as to why Palmer is still a cool dude any time a thread about him pops up, and I just don't feel like re-hashing it all again.

[CloeHokie]

He says that every season. Then he *****

[Nately120]

The real point here is that love him, hate him, or just plain don't care, there is NO way he is more excited about the twilight of his career with a rebuilding franchise than he was to start for the Bengals in 2005 OR return from his injury in 2006. I do believe him when he says the training camp and facilities are the best he's ever had, though.

[XenoMorph]

Originally Posted by BoomerFan

From Peter King's SI article this week:

Allen's running a high-energy camp. His two most important players, Carson Palmer and Darren McFadden, have bought in. Palmer says he's never been more excited about a football season in his life, and Allen has rid the team of worrying about anything but football.

Imagine being Palmer, being told you're definitely not being traded by the Bengals last year, not doing any football training or much throwing after the season started, getting traded on the day of the deadline, and playing an NFL game five days later?

I'm not close to Palmer, but I've known him pretty well over the years, and when we met here at the Marriott, I saw an enthusiasm I hadn't seen since he entered the league. The Bengals years beat him down, and he didn't play well near the end, and he decided he wasn't going to play football anymore unless the Bengals traded him. Which, finally, they did.

Palmer told me offensive coordinator Greg Knapp is "a phenomenal teacher, a genius'' (someone call Terrell Owens for comment). Palmer also said running back Taiwan Jones "is the fastest man in the league,'' Darren McFadden "is as good as any running back there is,'' called back Mike Goodson "shockingly good,'' and added, "I know I can play as well as any quarterback in this league.''

On the field in the afternoon practice, Palmer was accurate and fast with the ball, throwing to his cadre of world-class sprinters. And Criner. Big target. Showed good hands. Around here, he's part of the new future.



I hope they lose every game this year. Seriously.

He might be excited to play again.

But he will still make poor decisions and lead the league in pick 6's

[Nately120]

Originally Posted by BengalsFan024

He might be excited to play again.

But he will still make poor decisions and lead the league in pick 6's

Pick 6's sure do stink, but here are the QBs who have thrown the most. Hmm, Carson isn't even on the list (with a slew of HOFers, no less)...I guess he still has time to catch up, though.

32 Brett Favre
30 Dan Marino
26 Joe Namath
23 Norm Snead
23 Vinnie Testaverde
22 Babe Parilli
20 Steve DeBerg
20 Kerry Collins
19 John Elway
18 George Blanda
18 Kurt Warner
17 Lynn Dickey
17 Kenny Stabler
17 Johnny Unitas
17 Peyton Manning
16 Warren Moon
16 Frank Tripuka
15 Steve McNair
15 Drew Bledsoe
15 Sonny Jurgensen
15 Mark Brunell
15 Jon Kitna
14 Brad Johnson
14 Len Dawson
14 John Hadl
14 Phil Simms
14 Joey Harrington
13 Fran Tarkenton
13 Kyle Rote
13 Jim Kelly
13 Jim Zorn
13 Craig Morton

[XenoMorph]

Originally Posted by Nately120

Pick 6's sure do stink, but here are the QBs who have thrown the most. Hmm, Carson isn't even on the list (with a slew of HOFers, no less)...I guess he still has time to catch up, though.

32 Brett Favre
30 Dan Marino
26 Joe Namath
23 Norm Snead
23 Vinnie Testaverde
22 Babe Parilli
20 Steve DeBerg
20 Kerry Collins
19 John Elway
18 George Blanda
18 Kurt Warner
17 Lynn Dickey
17 Kenny Stabler
17 Johnny Unitas
17 Peyton Manning
16 Warren Moon
16 Frank Tripuka
15 Steve McNair
15 Drew Bledsoe
15 Sonny Jurgensen
15 Mark Brunell
15 Jon Kitna
14 Brad Johnson
14 Len Dawson
14 John Hadl
14 Phil Simms
14 Joey Harrington
13 Fran Tarkenton
13 Kyle Rote
13 Jim Kelly
13 Jim Zorn
13 Craig Morton

Really palmer has less than 13?.... well i guess the pick 6ing just started a few years ago.

and i ment for the year not all time lol it will take a lot of bad work to catch farve or a 20 year career.

[Amanda]

even ex bengals are happy not to be bengals anymore

its sad when said player is a current raider....

[THEBURG]

Originally Posted by CloeHokie

He says that every season. Then he *****

Yeah, I do believe he has said that before, maybe every year, he gets a little more antsy, that's why he throws so many int's

[Nately120]

Originally Posted by THEBURG

Yeah, I do believe he has said that before, maybe every year, he gets a little more antsy, that's why he throws so many int's

Actually, it's more like the more attempts he makes over a season the less favorable the TD to INT ratio becomes. He hasn't simply tossed more INTs with each passing year...not to mention his highest two INT seasons (both 20...2010 and 2007) are the ones where he played all 16 games and we posted a losing record and he had around 580 pass attempts each time.

I'm not saying Palmer is great, but for someone who (in those high INT years) is throwing the ball more than Aaron Rogers and almost as much as Tom Brady, you'd think he put up 50 INTs per season the way people talk.

[Wyche'sWarrior]

Originally Posted by Dalton's_Gang

i dont see how he was being negative in his comment. this whole thread is one big negative lets hate palmer thread even though we should forget him and go on. palmer is no different than you or i wanting to quit and go on to something better in your/mine/palmer's eyes. i quit my job makin decent money for the area i lived in to go to school and currently work a part time job at a gas station. does that make me a quitter?

How DARE YOU better your situation?

(the "under contract" argument gets pretty stale too......how come no one complains when the Bengals cut someone who is "under contract"?) It's been two years, can we just move on?

[BigPapaKain]

Originally Posted by Johnny Cupcakes

You're negative to other posters on a Bengals site because they aren't talking about what you like. I'm negative towards a player that turned into a giant vag and quit on his team. No real comparison.

Stop being such a bummer.....especially on your birthday. Hopefully it was at least a good one.

I'm negative towards people who are negative for no reason. Tit for tat.

And no, my birthday wasn't a good one. It was awful as it always is.

[Bengal Dude]

I wish Palmer luck. I hold no ill will towards him.

[THEBURG]

Originally Posted by Nately120

Actually, it's more like the more attempts he makes over a season the less favorable the TD to INT ratio becomes. He hasn't simply tossed more INTs with each passing year...not to mention his highest two INT seasons (both 20...2010 and 2007) are the ones where he played all 16 games and we posted a losing record and he had around 580 pass attempts each time.

I'm not saying Palmer is great, but for someone who (in those high INT years) is throwing the ball more than Aaron Rogers and almost as much as Tom Brady, you'd think he put up 50 INTs per season the way people talk.

I'M sorry, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings, it just seemed to me every game, someone was running one back for a t.d., maybe I was watching someone else, and not the quitter.

[BigPapaKain]

Originally Posted by THEBURG

I'M sorry, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings, it just seemed to me every game, someone was running one back for a t.d., maybe I was watching someone else, and not the quitter.

Blind hatred has that effect on people.

[Nately120]

Originally Posted by THEBURG

I'M sorry, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings, it just seemed to me every game, someone was running one back for a t.d., maybe I was watching someone else, and not the quitter.

What do my feelings have to do with it? You know, Carson Palmer isn't a great QB and my point is that you can criticize him without making stuff up. But by all means, act like I'm nuts for calling you out and providing statistics to debunk your baseless claims.

You sure I'm the one with the hurt feelings? Project much? OOOH, PSYCHOLOGIST BURRRRNNNN!!!!!!!


EDIT:
Here is how a real argument is made, and I'll even make one for you:

Carson Palmer posted the highest Bengal QB pass attempt to INT ratio (3.11%) since Boomer Esiason (3.68%); this is higher than Dalton's ratio, which is 2.52%. See? No names, no personal attacks...just an actual fact that makes the point that Carson Palmer is less secure with the football than many of our QBs. Amazing, isn't it? GASP!!!! Am I a Carson Palmer fan who just admitted that he isn't PERFECT?!!! What's wrong with me?

Most secure Bengals' QB? You guessed it......







Neil O'Donnell! 1.17%

[BigPapaKain]

Originally Posted by Nately120

Most secure Bengals' QB? You guessed it......

Neil O'Donnell! 1.17%

Shouldn't there be some standard; like at least 20 games played or 400 attempts?

And personally I'd of never guessed it.

[Ron Mexico]

Originally Posted by BigPapaKain

Blind hatred has that effect on people.

Dude, come on. It isn't blind hatred, and you know it. I know that a lot of posters on here act like a scorned woman when it comes to Palmer, and I'm definitely one of them, but it's not like there is no reason for it.

Palmer made the Bengals look like fools, even after the team had his back while he struggled. He signed a contract that turned out to be much bigger than he deserved, and he should have played it out.

I don't really back ANY players once they pull the trade me card, but Palmer's "I'll retire" card was the worst. As much as I liked him before that, that just isn't cool.

[Nately120]

Originally Posted by BigPapaKain

Shouldn't there be some standard; like at least 20 games played or 400 attempts?

And personally I'd of never guessed it.

Yea, I could see that...interestingly, my quick reseach seems to indicate that the longer a Bengals QB is here, the worse his INT per attempts % is. That makes sense, since we aren't a winning franchise and QBs have to start winging up prayers when they are behind. I just whipped this up, so the math MAY be off (I didn't triple-check it). As for Neil, the 95 Super Bowl aside, he has a very good ATT to INT ratio, though the fact he kept it up here was a slight miracle.

................................ATT.....TD.....TD% .....INT.....INT%
Boomer Esiason........3564....187....5.25%..131.....3.68%
Carson Palmer...........3217....154...4.79%...100.....3.1 1%
Jeff Blake..................2221....83.....3.74%....62. .....2.79%
Jon Kitna..................1707.....61.....3.57%....59 ......3.46%
David Klingler.............687......16.....2.33%....21.. ....3.06%
Andy Dalton...............516.......20....3.88%...13... ...2.52%
Akili Smith ................461........5.....1.08%....13...... 2.82%
Fitzpatrick.................372.......8......2.15% .....9.......2.42%
Neil O'Donnell............343......15.....4.37%.....4.. .....1.17%

[Nately120]

Originally Posted by Johnny Cupcakes

Dude, come on. It isn't blind hatred, and you know it. I know that a lot of posters on here act like a scorned woman when it comes to Palmer, and I'm definitely one of them, but it's not like there is no reason for it.

Palmer made the Bengals look like fools, even after the team had his back while he struggled. He signed a contract that turned out to be much bigger than he deserved, and he should have played it out.

I don't really back ANY players once they pull the trade me card, but Palmer's "I'll retire" card was the worst. As much as I liked him before that, that just isn't cool.

These are all viable points...my issue comes with people who respond by exaggerating Palmer's weaknesses by making up statistics in regards to his pick 6's, INTs, and overall ability to play QB in the NFL. Is Palmer great? No. Is he nearly as bad as some people feel fit to make him out to be? Nahhh, I don't think so.

Plus, the entire concept of gleefully badmouthing and wishing failure upon a player that everyone BUT Carson Palmer seemed to want to keep in Cincinnati FOR LIFE is just completely backwards.

Palmer wanted to leave the Bengals because he couldn't stand the ownership...well if the ownership would do ANYTHING to keep a (by some people's opinion) washed-up, over-paid , never-a-leader, career-loser, turnover-machine in the most important role on the team then I guess he was justified in wanting to leave, because that is just insane.

Bottom line: You don't have to love Palmer, but just realize that putting him down makes our franchise look like even more of a joke than usual because had he not walked away from 50 million bucks he'd still be our QB for life. Oof.

[Ali]

Originally Posted by Nately120

The real point here is that love him, hate him, or just plain don't care, there is NO way he is more excited about the twilight of his career with a rebuilding franchise than he was to start for the Bengals in 2005 OR return from his injury in 2006. I do believe him when he says the training camp and facilities are the best he's ever had, though.

So...You agree that he's a 2-faced, non-appreciative liar? Cool..Now get him out of your sig.

Originally Posted by BoomerFan

From Peter King's SI article this week:

Oh God...Peter King, here we go...

I'm not close to Palmer, but I've known him pretty well over the years, and when we met here at the Marriott, I saw an enthusiasm I hadn't seen since he entered the league.

Nice abuse of the comma there Pete. Also, "known him pretty well over the years" equates pretty reasonably to being at least somewhat close.

The Bengals years beat him down, and he didn't play well near the end, and he decided he wasn't going to play football anymore unless the Bengals traded him. Which, finally, they did.

Again, nice overuse of the comma. And tending towards a bias. Bengals years "beat him down?" They "finally" traded him. Forget the fact that he was an overpaid, underperforming whiny subordinate who clearly didn't know his place in the chain of command. Nor was he good about honoring a contract that HE signed.

Palmer told me offensive coordinator Greg Knapp is "a phenomenal teacher, a genius'' (someone call Terrell Owens for comment). Palmer also said running back Taiwan Jones "is the fastest man in the league,'' Darren McFadden "is as good as any running back there is,'' called back Mike Goodson "shockingly good,'' and added, "I know I can play as well as any quarterback in this league.''

I seem to remember all this BS in years the Bengals won 4 games.

On the field in the afternoon practice, Palmer was accurate and fast with the ball, throwing to his cadre of world-class sprinters. And Criner. Big target. Showed good hands. Around here, he's part of the new future.[/i]

New future? What future? Carson Palmer is a 32-year old one-year wonder. He'll be 33 before the end of the season and has a history of choking in the 4th quarter, throwing interceptions and being injured. He'll be out of Oakland within the next few seasons. In fact, if it were up to me I would have kept Jason Campbell over Carson.

But it's not and I can't wait to see him "perform" this year. I can't wait for his Welcome to the Jungle.

I hope they lose every game this year. Seriously.

Me too my friend. I can't wait for him to come back to Cincy. I want to buy a ticket to boo and heckle him out of Cincy for good.

[Ron Mexico]

Originally Posted by Nately120

These are all viable points...my issue comes with people who respond by exaggerating Palmer's weaknesses by making up statistics in regards to his pick 6's, INTs, and overall ability to play QB in the NFL. Is Palmer great? No. Is he nearly as bad as some people feel fit to make him out to be? Nahhh, I don't think so.

Plus, the entire concept of gleefully badmouthing and wishing failure upon a player that everyone BUT Carson Palmer seemed to want to keep in Cincinnati FOR LIFE is just completely backwards.

Palmer wanted to leave the Bengals because he couldn't stand the ownership...well if the ownership would do ANYTHING to keep a (by some people's opinion) washed-up, over-paid , never-a-leader, career-loser, turnover-machine in the most important role on the team then I guess he was justified in wanting to leave, because that is just insane.

Bottom line: You don't have to love Palmer, but just realize that putting him down makes our franchise look like even more of a joke than usual because had he not walked away from 50 million bucks he'd still be our QB for life. Oof.

To be 100% honest, I was a big Palmer bandwagon guy. Every year, people made up excuses for him, but......they were legitimate excuses. I don't think Palmer is nearly as bad as people make him out to be. He isn't a top QB, like I once though, but I think he could still produce.

I think that people exaggerate his interception numbers because during the final years of his tenure in Cincinnati, he seemed to turn the ball over a lot. Playing up the shortcomings of a guy that was supposed to be the Bengals leader, but then boned out when the going got tough is what you'll get on a message board.

I was even hoping that Palmer would end his "trade me" wishes, and come back to the team that wanted him to be their QB. I didn't want that dude to leave, and I'll still acknowledge him as one of the top 3 QB's to ever don a striped helmet.

With all that being said, I still wish him failure. I just don't want to see a guy succeed that said he would rather retire than play another down as a Bengal. I don't wish injury on the guy or anything......that's just not cool. I do, however,....wish him many games where he looks like a fool.....

I'm a Bengals fan, and when someone bails on the team that badly,.....no matter who they are, I am no longer their fan.

[Nately120]

Originally Posted by Ali

So...You agree that he's a 2-faced, non-appreciative liar? Cool..Now get him out of your sig.

No.

Originally Posted by Johnny Cupcakes

I'm a Bengals fan, and when someone bails on the team that badly,.....no matter who they are, I am no longer their fan.

I can see your point and appreciate your mindset, though I still think our franchise looks stupid when our starters (namely Chad, TO, Benson, Coles, Coates and so on) immediately become unfit to play AT ALL once they take off the stripes. I try not to root for our starters to be laughed out of the league once we stop giving them a roster spot, but I do get the value of some glorious spite.

I wonder if in a parallel dimension Carson Palmer didn't sign that contract extension and became a FA and we started with a different QB whilst he went to some QB needy team. Stupid life and it's lack of testability! Ha, I'm picturing Palmer going to the Raiders as a FA and Mike Brown drafting Jamarcus Russel as our QB of the future! I'm not entirely sure my timeframe is right, though.

[BengalsRocker]

Originally Posted by Nately120

These are all viable points...my issue comes with people who respond by exaggerating Palmer's weaknesses by making up statistics in regards to his pick 6's, INTs, and overall ability to play QB in the NFL. Is Palmer great? No. Is he nearly as bad as some people feel fit to make him out to be? Nahhh, I don't think so.

Plus, the entire concept of gleefully badmouthing and wishing failure upon a player that everyone BUT Carson Palmer seemed to want to keep in Cincinnati FOR LIFE is just completely backwards.

Palmer wanted to leave the Bengals because he couldn't stand the ownership...well if the ownership would do ANYTHING to keep a (by some people's opinion) washed-up, over-paid , never-a-leader, career-loser, turnover-machine in the most important role on the team then I guess he was justified in wanting to leave, because that is just insane.

Bottom line: You don't have to love Palmer, but just realize that putting him down makes our franchise look like even more of a joke than usual because had he not walked away from 50 million bucks he'd still be our QB for life. Oof.

Good riddance. Most of us just have the recent memories of pick 6's and watching him do it again with Oakland. To be fair. It's more about throwing just regular INTs at the worst time possible in the game.

Palmer is not terrible by any means. It's just the wrong time for a player to be pulling the crap he did. That's all. You don't complain and give an ultimatum, when you yourself are not performing well. Especially being in the starting QB position. Go on and tell me I'm wrong. I doubt your boss would want to listen to you if you were underperforming, and wanted to complain after you were given more money. But hey I'm just an idiot for thinking that.