Official 2012 Reds Thread

[Bengals41]

Originally Posted by Ali

Cueto did have another outstanding outing to make him a 15-game winner and we're not even halfway through August yet!

The big question I want to ask is: Can he win 20 games?

He sure as hell can! There are 47 games left meaning that he should have, if he stays healthy, 9 starts left. An ace should win the majority of their appearances.

To put it in perspective, he's won 62.5% of his starts. Add in 9 more starts (33 total) and if he keeps that pace through the end of the year he's at 20.6 wins. Remarkable!

He would be our first 20-game winner since 1988 when Danny Jackson got 23...Let's keep at it Mr. Cueto!!!

20 wins... whew that has a nice ring to it. but agreed Cueto can very well pull that off, plus we have Votto coming back hopefully soon

[browns town bengal]

Originally Posted by Ali

Cueto did have another outstanding outing to make him a 15-game winner and we're not even halfway through August yet!

The big question I want to ask is: Can he win 20 games?

He sure as hell can! There are 47 games left meaning that he should have, if he stays healthy, 9 starts left. An ace should win the majority of their appearances.

To put it in perspective, he's won 62.5% of his starts. Add in 9 more starts (33 total) and if he keeps that pace through the end of the year he's at 20.6 wins. Remarkable!

He would be our first 20-game winner since 1988 when Danny Jackson got 23...Let's keep at it Mr. Cueto!!!

Isnt that sad? Last 20 game winner was a pretty mediocre pitcher overall in danny jackson. And that was 24 years ago. I think Cueto is gonna get 20 this year

[Lawless_1]

So Cueto should become the distant runner up for the Cy Young right?

Chapman deserves to win it by a land slide.

[Ali]

Originally Posted by Lawless_1

So Cueto should become the distant runner up for the Cy Young right?

Chapman deserves to win it by a land slide.

Lol...Only problem is that relievers never win the Cy Young no matter how much they deserve it. Should be interesting this year after King Felix won the Cy Young a couple years ago and Verlander the MVP breaking all sorts of tradition.

Originally Posted by browns town bengal

Isnt that sad? Last 20 game winner was a pretty mediocre pitcher overall in danny jackson. And that was 24 years ago. I think Cueto is gonna get 20 this year

Well, if you figure only a few guys win 20 games in any season (1-3 typically) it's really not out there. Especially when the next guy up was Tom Browning in 1985

[Morning Star]

Cueto should win Cy young..I was very impressed yesterday again..

I know this will tick people off but I think Cueto more beneficail for the team then Votto..The Reds can win without him..I was talking with friends yesterday and they mentioned that the Reds could not go far in the playoffs without Votto..I disagree, we paid to much for him and they see it now!

[Robbie Sharp]

The Reds always seemed to win with hitting, and average pitching, although the "Nasty Boys" of 1990 needed only for the starters to get to them. Other teams in the 70's, though; went a long way on their pitching, notably the A's and the Orioles:

1970 Baltimore Orioles: Mike Cuellar 24-8, Dave McNally 24-9, Jim Palmer 20-10
1971 Baltimore Orioles: Dave McNally 21-5, Jim Palmer 20-9, Pat Dobson 20-8, Mike Cuellar 20-9
1973 Oakland Athletics: Ken Holtzman 21-13, Jim Hunter 21-5, Vida Blue 20-9
1968 Denny McLain may have been the last EVER 30 game winner!
You would have to go back many, many, years to find a Reds team that you could say won BECAUSE of their great starting pitching.

[Lawless_1]

Originally Posted by Ali

Lol...Only problem is that relievers never win the Cy Young no matter how much they deserve it. Should be interesting this year after King Felix won the Cy Young a couple years ago and Verlander the MVP breaking all sorts of tradition.

I'm aware of that but I think Chapman has been the best pitcher in baseball this year. The dude is just lights out.

[whodey1302]

Originally Posted by Morning Star

Cueto should win Cy young..I was very impressed yesterday again..

I know this will tick people off but I think Cueto more beneficail for the team then Votto..The Reds can win without him..I was talking with friends yesterday and they mentioned that the Reds could not go far in the playoffs without Votto..I disagree, we paid to much for him and they see it now!

While good pitching will always defeat good hitting, I don't think you can make that assessment. The Reds can also win without Cueto. He isn't the only starter to win a game this season. The Reds have been on an unbelievable tear without a former league MVP. Cueto can only go out and win 1 of every 5 games. Votto has a chance to impact 120-140 games a year depending on health. The Reds have beaten some pretty lowsy teams without Joey. They won't have that luxury in the post season.

Now, come playoff time, when the rotation shrinks, Cueto becomes of paramount importance.

Originally Posted by Lawless_1

I'm aware of that but I think Chapman has been the best pitcher in baseball this year. The dude is just lights out.

The crazy thing about Chapman is that in the spring, he was the best STARTER in all of baseball. Fast forward to the summer and he has become the most dominant closer that most of us have ever seen.

[Lawless_1]

Looks like Jayson Stark agrees with me on Chapman.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/blog/_/name/s...cy-young-award

[whodey1302]

Originally Posted by Lawless_1

Looks like Jayson Stark agrees with me on Chapman.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/blog/_/name/s...cy-young-award

I saw that too. If the Cy Young award truly goes to the best pitcher of a particular season, then hands down it should go to Chapman. There has not been a pitcher in the game this season to truly dominate from season's start to finish the way he has.

He has faced a total of 216 hitters this year and he has struck out 106 of them! He has only had 39 batters reach base against him this season. He is striking out 49% of the batters he faces and they reach base only 18% of the time. He is averaging 7.57 strikeouts per walk, and 16.7 strikeouts per 9 innings. Those numbers would be great for a dominant high school starting pitcher. Chapman is doing this against major leaguers.

Not only are those numbers the best of this Major League season, but they could be historically good if he keeps it up.

[browns town bengal]

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[SouthernStripes]

Originally Posted by browns town bengal

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[SouthernStripes]

Something that has been plaguing this team....


From Elias: Reds had 14 men left on base through 7 innings without scoring a run. The last team to be held scoreless through 7 innings despite leaving 14 men on base was: Senators vs Tigers, on September 14, 1969 (14 left-on-base, 0 runs through 7 innings)

[Ali]

Billy Hamilton is chasing the pro baseball & minor league record for SBs in one season.

He is at 139.

The record is 145.

He should be able to take it this week. Today he was caught stealing meaning he's still 6 away.

The Blue Wahoos still have 19 games to go.

Don't be surprised to see him on the big league (and playoff) roster as a key PR in games =)

[COLTSH8R]

Thank God for pitching tonight!

[COLTSH8R]

Originally Posted by Ali

Billy Hamilton is chasing the pro baseball & minor league record for SBs in one season.

He is at 139.

The record is 145.

He should be able to take it this week. Today he was caught stealing meaning he's still 6 away.

The Blue Wahoos still have 19 games to go.

Don't be surprised to see him on the big league (and playoff) roster as a key PR in games =)

Thanks for the "newsflash" as unlike our major league team, this has been covered much more nationally.

[Ali]

Oh, for the Mat Latos trade haters...

Latos, first 14 games: 5.20 ERA, .274 OBA & 16 HR allowed (1.14 HR/game)

Latos last 10 games: 1.83 ERA, .180 OBA & 5 HR allowed (.5 HR/game)

Again...We got a top notch pitcher who will be INCREDIBLY useful in post-season play for 4 guys who likely are still tearing up AA/AAA with the possible exception of Alonso who is warming the bench except for this recent stretch with Votto's injury.

[Ali]

Originally Posted by COLTSH8R

Thanks for the "newsflash" as unlike our major league team, this has been covered much more nationally.

Although I'm sure this is sarcasm, I will say that you are welcome.

BTW, I haven't seen anything covered on it in the mainstream. Obviously I heard about it on the Reds website, but I figured lots of people here didn't see it.

Hence the "newsflash."

But thanks for the update. It has been stored in my opinion folder at home under "********* comments"

[COLTSH8R]

Originally Posted by Ali

Although I'm sure this is sarcasm, I will say that you are welcome.

BTW, I haven't seen anything covered on it in the mainstream. Obviously I heard about it on the Reds website, but I figured lots of people here didn't see it.

Hence the "newsflash."

But thanks for the update. It has been stored in my opinion folder at home under "********* comments"

[quote=Ali;2560333]Although I'm sure this is sarcasm, I will say that you are welcome.

BTW, I haven't seen anything covered on it in the mainstream. Obviously I heard about it on the Reds website, but I figured lots of people here didn't see it.

Hence the "newsflash."

But thanks for the update. It has been stored in my opinion folder at home under "********* comments"

I will file this under obvious... 700 wlw blog has covered him since half way through the season. Do a google search for billy hamilton and almost any major city on eith coast. Everyone knows about him.

I do agree about you on Latos trade though. I know that when Latos was struggling that told people to chill out. I would like to think that he has out performed most anyone's expectations. He could easily be leading this team in wins.

But back to Hamilton, he could give us a mojor weapon during September call ups, if not also during the playoffs.

Hopefully he can learn CF and light a fire under Stubb's ***.

[COLTSH8R]

Very difficult to edit on my POS phone. Sorry for lack of true quoting and lack of editing ability...

Anyhow, we have a 6 game lead. Cards will overpass pirates.

Guess everyone should check wlw blog each day.

Some above post talked about Chapman, and how he ranked this year versus the league. He is setting new MLB marks. Figured that wasn't a "newsflash" either.

[Ali]

Originally Posted by COLTSH8R

Very difficult to edit on my POS phone. Sorry for lack of true quoting and lack of editing ability...

Anyhow, we have a 6 game lead. Cards will overpass pirates.

Guess everyone should check wlw blog each day.

Some above post talked about Chapman, and how he ranked this year versus the league. He is setting new MLB marks. Figured that wasn't a "newsflash" either.

Post a link to the blog. Some (myself included) don't follow it but may be interested in it.

As far as Chapman...If he gets his ERA under 1.0 he may be a Cy Young candidate.

BTW, this is to post about the going-ons of the Reds. Just because it's in the mainstream doesn't mean everyone has seen it. We post to see everyone's opinions and maybe find a new nugget or two.

Obviously the Reds won on a walk-off homerun...But that didn't and shouldn't stop people from voicing their enthusiasm towards the 4th straight Reds victory. Another non-"newsflash."

[Ali]

BTW, an update on Robert Stephenson:

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...s_mlb&c_id=mlb

He has a total of 11 starts (only 48.2 IP) between Dayton & Billings with a combined 2.40 ERA, .183 OBA & 57K!!!

Oh, btw..His fastball has been clocked at 101.

And he just turned 19 in February (drafted out of high school last year for you not in the know.)

Now THAT is impressive!

[COLTSH8R]

Originally Posted by Ali

Post a link to the blog. Some (myself included) don't follow it but may be interested in it.

As far as Chapman...If he gets his ERA under 1.0 he may be a Cy Young candidate.

BTW, this is to post about the going-ons of the Reds. Just because it's in the mainstream doesn't mean everyone has seen it. We post to see everyone's opinions and maybe find a new nugget or two.

Obviously the Reds won on a walk-off homerun...But that didn't and shouldn't stop people from voicing their enthusiasm towards the 4th straight Reds victory. Another non-"newsflash."

Another non-"newsflash" for ANY follow or UK, XU, UC, bengals, reds, etc.... http://www.700wlw.com/pages/lancesBlog.html

Unless you have serious mental problems....

But there youe go...

Understand UK and UL probelms with common sense... Or any at all... Unless they have lots of $ to throw at recruits

[COLTSH8R]

Ok, i have a UL friend.... I'm an XU person..... We both have UK issues.... So i will take such issues to whatever college forum opens up later... So sorry, this is about the reds, and how we are winning our division... And how we can hopefully bring a title here....

[COLTSH8R]

Originally Posted by Ali

BTW, an update on Robert Stephenson:

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...s_mlb&c_id=mlb

He has a total of 11 starts (only 48.2 IP) between Dayton & Billings with a combined 2.40 ERA, .183 OBA & 57K!!!

Oh, btw..His fastball has been clocked at 101.

And he just turned 19 in February (drafted out of high school last year for you not in the know.)

Now THAT is impressive!

Ok, i will bite since you appear to be mean... So he pitches just over 4.4 innings a start?