Marvin Lewis comment on Mays tackling & Burfict

[dr1441]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

No Cook gets a pass because he is a good center. Anyways just noticing a pattern with a certain individual who is also griping about Whit in another thread.

You dont have to hide like your 12. Call me out..............

We all know you are going to make an excuse for this team and are ok with with a laughing stock.

You are one of the few on here that don't eat crow and try to prove your right all the time, yet you are usually on the wrong side of the argument.

Everyone see's that except you big fella.

[Who2Dey]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

A bad night and consistently bad play are completely different animals but I would expect nothing less than a complete over the top reaction from you. At least you are predictable.

Mays has displayed "bad nights" since college and hasn't yet fixed it. It is the reason he dropped in the draft and let go by his former college coach after a year. If the guy wasn't built like a superhero he would he unemployed right now.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by Who2Dey

Mays has displayed "bad nights" since college and hasn't yet fixed it. It is the reason he dropped in the draft and let go by his former college coach after a year. If the guy wasn't built like a superhero he would he unemployed right now.

Not entirely true.
He was let go by a coach he played against.
Pete Carroll was his college coach.
Harbaugh coaches the 9ers.
Carroll just passed on him in the draft.
Harbaugh shipped him out here.

[Who2Dey]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

Not entirely true.
He was let go by a coach he played against.
Pete Carroll was his college coach.
Harbaugh coaches the 9ers.
Carroll just passed on him in the draft.
Harbaugh shipped him out here.

That's right...kudos. I seemed to remember him nit getting love from Pete. OK so the good coach gave up on him.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by Who2Dey

That's right...kudos. I seemed to remember him nit getting love from Pete. OK so the good coach gave up on him.

Passed up on by his former coach (on a team in desperate need of a S)
and let go by one of the better coaches in the NFL.

Carroll is showing to be an underrated defensive mind...

[Fan_in_Kettering]

It is a lot easier to dial Taylor Mays back than to try to teach aggression and physical play to a guy who had none in the first place. I would rather have an entire defense made up of players with Taylor's personality than try to coach a defense composed of arm-tackling whiffers.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by Fan_in_Kettering

It is a lot easier to dial Taylor Mays back than to try to teach aggression and physical play to a guy who had none in the first place. I would rather have an entire defense made up of players with Taylor's personality than try to coach a defense composed of arm-tackling whiffers.

The problem inherent in that is that you have to assume said players are coach-able either way.

I dont know how coach-able Mays is. He has been doing this since college (and in all likeliness before then) and if he hasn't stopped by now, I don't see a reason to assume he will. And it can become a huge liability. Hurting our own players and then drawing penalties in an NFL where any hit on a WR can draw a flag.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by DWright

He had a penalty against him at the end of the half in the Falcons game. Personal Foul. However they label it really doesnt matter 15 yards is still 15 yards....

Also you said that he was turning it up on defense I said ALL the DB's and LBers were hitting hard and looking good doing it. Mays is not...

No mention of a Mays penalty at the end of the half.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201208...yze=playbyplay

After the Reds game is over i'll watch it again to verify.

[NATI BENGALS]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

Passed up on by his former coach (on a team in desperate need of a S)
and let go by one of the better coaches in the NFL.

Carroll is showing to be an underrated defensive mind...

Carroll picked Earl Thomas in the first round that year. He wasnt going to spend a 1st and 2nd on safety. Then he got Kam Chancellor in the 5th. He didnt have a need for a safety by the time we got him for a 7th round pick the following year.

But keep trying your best to find reasons to hate on Mays.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by NATI BENGALS

Carroll picked Earl Thomas in the first round that year. He wasnt going to spend a 1st and 2nd on safety. Then he got Kam Chancellor in the 5th. He didnt have a need for a safety by the time we got him for a 7th round pick the following year.

But keep trying your best to find reasons to hate on Mays.

What are you talking about!
Carroll easily could have taken someone else in the first OR Mays (who was pegged as a first round player) and then Mays in the 2nd.
He passed 2x on Mays. Mays was ****** because he was under the impression Carroll would take him.
Not opinion.

Carroll took players over Mays. Plain and simple.

[NATI BENGALS]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

What are you talking about!
Carroll easily could have taken someone else in the first OR Mays (who was pegged as a first round player) and then Mays in the 2nd.
He passed 2x on Mays. Mays was ****** because he was under the impression Carroll would take him.
Not opinion.

Carroll took players over Mays. Plain and simple.

And he ended up with a Pro Bowl safety who everyone had ranked higher.

Yes Mays was mad.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

It would be more, I guess the word is "palatable", to me if he were keeping his feet down and head up and this happened multiple times. I played. Crazy things happen. But when a player does things like duck his head and leave his feet when about to tackle, I just don't see anything good there. It is poor discipline and poor effort.

Had he been with his head up and feet down, I would chalk it up to poor coincidence. However, he hasn't been doing that and putting himself in theses positions rather than trying to do everything he can to make smart plays.

I wonder how much of it is Mays trying too hard to make an impression, whether it's to the coaches or the fans (or to the other team by knocking the snot out of them). I'll give him credit for realizing something might need to be changed after hitting two of his teammates--even though i think the second hit to Burfict was nearly unavoidable.

Give me an over-aggressive guy that needs to be dialed down a bit to a guy that needs to be pumped up, every single day. I'm also confident that the coaches and Mays will work on straightening it out and, fortunately, there's two games left to do it.

I'm sure because of his past history, most everyone believes he still has a ways to go to prove he belongs in the starting lineup. Count me in with the group that thinks he will get it done.

[PApinhead]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

I wonder how much of it is Mays trying too hard to make an impression, whether it's to the coaches or the fans (or to the other team by knocking the snot out of them). I'll give him credit for realizing something might need to be changed after hitting two of his teammates--even though i think the second hit to Burfict was nearly unavoidable.

Give me an over-aggressive guy that needs to be dialed down a bit to a guy that needs to be pumped up, every single day. I'm also confident that the coaches and Mays will work on straightening it out and, fortunately, there's two games left to do it.

I'm sure because of his past history, most everyone believes he still has a ways to go to prove he belongs in the starting lineup. Count me in with the group that thinks he will get it done.

Count me in too!

[TrojanPride]

Carroll passed on Mays because Earl Thomas is a better player. But that doesn't mean Carroll thinks Mays is a bad player. The year that Carroll went in to coach Seattle many people thought they had the worst talent base in the NFL. He wasn't going to use his first 2 picks on safeties.

Mays was upset because he felt like Carroll had not been honest about his skill set. Carroll had been telling him that he was going to be a 1st round player. But the reality is that players with SS skill sets just are not high round priorities anymore. Look around the league and you won't find many starting SS's that were high round picks. And the funny thing is that Carroll encouraged the physicality that many are complaining about. He wanted Taylor to be an aggressive, punishing hitter to strike fear in WR's. It worked extremely well in college but Carroll may not have been doing him any favors for today's NFL.

As for Harbaugh shipping him out, 1) Harbaugh hates USC with a passion (and Carroll for that matter). He especially didn't like Mays because of some hits he put on Stanford players when Harbaugh was coach and Mays called out Harbaugh publicly after Harbaugh went for 2 late in a game when Stanford was winning handily. 2) Any new coach wants to bring in his own players. That doesn't mean the player being shipped out is bad.

Look no further than the Shipley situation. Gruden has stated that while Shipley is still recovering, he does expect him to recover and catch on somewhere else and that the move was made because he likes what we have at WR.... Translation, I didn't draft Shipley and I like the guys I brought in therefore I have no allegiances to keeping Shipley on the team (or giving him a chance to fully recover) even though he is a good player.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by dr1441

You dont have to hide like your 12. Call me out..............

We all know you are going to make an excuse for this team and are ok with with a laughing stock.

You are one of the few on here that don't eat crow and try to prove your right all the time, yet you are usually on the wrong side of the argument.

Everyone see's that except you big fella.

DR the internet tough guy. So because I am not on your side it is the wrong side. Your a legend in your own mind .......big fella.

So tell me how much change in the team has your habitual message board whining actually accounted for ?

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by Who2Dey

Mays has displayed "bad nights" since college and hasn't yet fixed it. It is the reason he dropped in the draft and let go by his former college coach after a year. If the guy wasn't built like a superhero he would he unemployed right now.

Uhm.......that particular conversation was about Whit.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by NATI BENGALS

And he ended up with a Pro Bowl safety who everyone had ranked higher.

Yes Mays was mad.

That isnt true at all. I knew PLENTY of people who [most of whom are on here] said Mays was the future of S. Bigger, faster, stronger than the rest. Thomas had no shot because he was so small.

Carroll knew what you would get in Mays. A big S [or small LB] who can play the run and look like a stud in camp. He took the better player. And a guy most pegged as a top draft pick fell in the 2nd round. And then was immediately traded by the same GM [new coach] for a 7th round draft pick.

[NATI BENGALS]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

That isnt true at all. I knew PLENTY of people who [most of whom are on here] said Mays was the future of S. Bigger, faster, stronger than the rest. Thomas had no shot because he was so small.

Carroll knew what you would get in Mays. A big S [or small LB] who can play the run and look like a stud in camp. He took the better player. And a guy most pegged as a top draft pick fell in the 2nd round. And then was immediately traded by the same GM [new coach] for a 7th round draft pick.

You do realize how desperate you are getting trying to demonize Mays because a couple of bang bang plays that ended the way no Bengal fan would have wanted? He was playing fast and hard. I guess you dont want our guys playing that way.

So what Carroll took a left tackle and a Pro Bowl safety over his own player who was a combine phenom. And OH NO! a projected first round pick falling to the second. That never happens. Gasp! A new coach wanting his own players... Thats something new.

Give it up dude. You are nitpicking a defensive player for being aggressive and physical. Good luck finding a coach who has a problem with that.

If you havent noticed by now our message board draft gurus are not really draft gurus. And their opinions mean diddly doo.

Harbaugh didnt want him on his team. Bottom line. Take away what you want from it. But i'm going to go ahead and reference you to Trojanpride's post above and maybe it will sink in to your thick skull.

[TrojanPride]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

That isnt true at all. I knew PLENTY of people who [most of whom are on here] said Mays was the future of S. Bigger, faster, stronger than the rest. Thomas had no shot because he was so small.

Carroll knew what you would get in Mays. A big S [or small LB] who can play the run and look like a stud in camp. He took the better player. And a guy most pegged as a top draft pick fell in the 2nd round. And then was immediately traded by the same GM [new coach] for a 7th round draft pick.

People thought Mays was going to be that top 10 stud after his Junior year but after his senior year and particularly after the pre-draft process pretty much everyone knew he wasn't going top 10 (or was the top safety) and it really wasn't much of a shock that he fell to the 2nd.

You've never hid that you hate him as a player going back to that draft and you were right that he would fall some but just because he fell doesn't mean he can't be a good starting SS in the NFL. But that's the jump you've always made... well he didn't live up to the hype of being the elite level player therefore he is garbage.

Heck I'm even willing to say he should have fallen farther. I know that if he had Carroll gladly would have taken him and done with him what he has done with Kam Chancellor. It's no mistake that Carroll picked up a guy that was a physical clone of Mays to be his SS and Carroll knew how to bring out his strength's while minimize his deficiencies. Zimmer is the kind of coach that can do the same thing with Mays. I'm not saying that it will for sure happen but it definitely looks like they are going to try.

[berserkerone88]

I am done. This is pointless.
I am not condemning Mays playing hard or aggressive. At all.
I am condemning him for playing stupid. Lowering his head and leaving his feet. Stupid.
Not aggressive or hard. Just stupid.

[bfine32]

Watch the latest interview with Zimmer:
http://www.bengals.com/media-lounge/...d-142137e8df21

He's a whole lot less concerned about Mays "hurting" his team mates than many around here are.

Says Zims: "It's called friendly fire"

[The Bengal Thing]

Originally Posted by bfine32

Watch the latest interview with Zimmer:
http://www.bengals.com/media-lounge/...d-142137e8df21

He's a whole lot less concerned about Mays "hurting" his team mates than many around here are.

Says Zims: "It's called friendly fire"

MAZE 'EM ALL!!!!

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[NATI BENGALS]

Originally Posted by bfine32

Watch the latest interview with Zimmer:
http://www.bengals.com/media-lounge/...d-142137e8df21

He's a whole lot less concerned about Mays "hurting" his team mates than many around here are.

Says Zims: "It's called friendly fire"

You would think we would hear it from Zimmer if Mays was playing stupid.

hmm... weird

[dr1441]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

DR the internet tough guy. So because I am not on your side it is the wrong side. Your a legend in your own mind .......big fella.

So tell me how much change in the team has your habitual message board whining actually accounted for ?

No internet needed, we live 15 minutes from each other.

I just said call me out, don't hide behind your way of talking about people with stupid statements.

[BengalsBong]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

I am done. This is pointless.
I am not condemning Mays playing hard or aggressive. At all.
I am condemning him for playing stupid. Lowering his head and leaving his feet. Stupid.
Not aggressive or hard. Just stupid.

Most around here do not read the entire post before bashing the poster.If your views are not just like thiers then your view is wrong and you should change it.The osu guy is a homer you can not debate with this type of person it is like beating your head into the wall cause they do not have an open mind and thier view is the only way.