O-line is fixed huh!

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by wideopen

You dont know who Dave Lapham is? He conceded on air we had no backups that could deal with Abrams. I am sorry thats so hard to understand

I disagree. I believe Collins could hold his own against a guy like Abraham.

[savagehenry54]

Originally Posted by wideopen

Dave was talking about keeping Andrew Whitworth in to protect the backup Bruce Gradkowski

I wouldn't have been as worried about Bruce tbh. Not that I want him to get drilled or anything but yea.

[momadance02]

Wow wideopen, not doing too well in here...

[RoarOfTheBengal]

Originally Posted by momadance02

Wow wideopen, not doing too well in here...

Depending on his intentions, he could be doing very well in here.

[Slappy from New Haven]

Originally Posted by wideopen

You are making my point. By the way I was on here for eight years under a different name and I have been on here for more than 6 months under the new name boys.

Time doesn;t make you any less of a troll

[Slappy from New Haven]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

I disagree. I believe Collins could hold his own against a guy like Abraham.

Um, No

[THE PISTONS]

Originally Posted by wideopen

A couple months ago most everyone here said that through the draft and signings we had our O-line fixed..Then during the Atlanta game I heard Dave L. on the radio say that Marvin should leave Went in till Abrams was taken out of the game. That says no depth as in 1st Houston game last year. Am I missing something here?

I think that at 100% our offensive line would have been atleast slightly better than last year. I do think that a healthy Bobbie Williams probably is slightly better than the rookie version of Zeitler that we are seeing...although Zeitler will pass him with experience...and that's not a knock because Bobbie is a pretty good Guard.

We didn't really see enough of Wharton to know if he upgrades us or not. My gut tells me he was an upgrade in the running game and a slight downgrade in the passing game to Livings.

But yeah...people were saying that our offensive line was going to be the strength of the offense. Even at 100%, I don't think that is accurate. At 60% it's a weakness pending a trade.

[fulltime bengalfan]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

I think that at 100% our offensive line would have been atleast slightly better than last year. I do think that a healthy Bobbie Williams probably is slightly better than the rookie version of Zeitler that we are seeing...although Zeitler will pass him with experience...and that's not a knock because Bobbie is a pretty good Guard.

We didn't really see enough of Wharton to know if he upgrades us or not. My gut tells me he was an upgrade in the running game and a slight downgrade in the passing game to Livings.

But yeah...people were saying that our offensive line was going to be the strength of the offense. Even at 100%, I don't think that is accurate. At 60% it's a weakness pending a trade.

I agree..... I thinl we should have signed bobbie williams back..... I also think if we move A smith to left gaurd and put A collins at tackle Oline would be much better

[XenoMorph]

Originally Posted by wideopen

A couple months ago most everyone here said that through the draft and signings we had our O-line fixed..Then during the Atlanta game I heard Dave L. on the radio say that Marvin should leave Went in till Abrams was taken out of the game. That says no depth as in 1st Houston game last year. Am I missing something here?

Yeah your missing alot....


The OLINE on paper was fixed which is all anyone could have said a couple months ago

injuries can change that in a second.

[XenoMorph]

Originally Posted by fulltime bengalfan

I agree..... I thinl we should have signed bobbie williams back..... I also think if we move A smith to left gaurd and put A collins at tackle Oline would be much better

eventually you have to let the older guys go especially when their proformance is declining and you spent a 1st rounder on their replacement.

[Dante]

Originally Posted by wideopen

A couple months ago most everyone here said that through the draft and signings we had our O-line fixed..Then during the Atlanta game I heard Dave L. on the radio say that Marvin should leave Went in till Abrams was taken out of the game. That says no depth as in 1st Houston game last year. Am I missing something here?

go back to your hole.... i have a headache trying to read this

[THE PISTONS]

Originally Posted by fulltime bengalfan

I agree..... I thinl we should have signed bobbie williams back..... I also think if we move A smith to left gaurd and put A collins at tackle Oline would be much better

Why wouldn't you just put Collins at Guard?

[DWright]

Originally Posted by wideopen

A couple months ago most everyone here said that through the draft and signings we had our O-line fixed..Then during the Atlanta game I heard Dave L. on the radio say that Marvin should leave Went in till Abrams was taken out of the game. That says no depth as in 1st Houston game last year. Am I missing something here?

While I like Lapham, but like most announcers he talks alot of BS that he doesn't really know. Anthony Collins has held his own against some of the better speed rushers in the league with Pittsburgh and Baltimore as recently as last year.

[fulltime bengalfan]

And now cook might be out too... If we dont get another gaurd and now maybe a center this is gonna be a very long season....After watching the green bay game the Oline looked no better them last year.... I think it might have looked worse....Because now we cant run the ball at all.....Having sad all that i hope some of the reason we looked so bad was because we where missing our number 1 and 2 backs and our better blocking T.E..... I mean lets get real we play some pretty good teams this year....And this Oline as it is right now wont get the job done..... I know some people are gonna get mad at me for saying this but thats just the way i see it OH P.S the oline has been holding this team back for 4 years

[fulltime bengalfan]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

Why wouldn't you just put Collins at Guard?

they allready tryed that didnt work out to good but he plays tackle pretty good

[fulltime bengalfan]

Originally Posted by BengalsFan024

eventually you have to let the older guys go especially when their proformance is declining and you spent a 1st rounder on their replacement.

yeah i know what your saying.. But i wish we had bobbie right now

[fulltime bengalfan]

Originally Posted by BengalsFan024

Yeah your missing alot....


The OLINE on paper was fixed which is all anyone could have said a couple months ago

injuries can change that in a second.

you are so right 1 play changed everything

[Ian Demagii]

Originally Posted by BengaliJack

Scratched before I get hammered again.

50 post police only show up when someone says something stupid or incoherent. Give me a guy who makes an excellent thoughtful post on #1, and I will welcome him or her...this one however does not qualify....

Ian

[Ian Demagii]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

Why wouldn't you just put Collins at Guard?

In past seasons because he was not a power blocker and could not blow his man off the line-now: it depends what you're talking about:

running game: much of the same with some new wrinkles
Passing game: very different

Running game for me still has too much "Balls to the Walls" here come try to stop us. I want to see more diversity-quick pitches, counters, traps, sweeps...If you want to make the case that we have not done this because of no Bernard Scott, and now no Gresham, I see that as valid-although I would like to give Peerman a chance at filling Scott's shoes. Gruden even said he backed off the power game because he lost Gresham. Right now the run game is neutered ...

Passing wise: Here Collins should shine-now that he does not have to hold his block for a ridiculous length of time for 22 yard pass routes (and yes I am still bitter...frankly Bratkowski made a mockery of a great offense).

Finally- Collins is not really a guard....what he is-an offside tackle in a finesse style offense ...I was surprised as all get out that he re-signed here.

Ian

[Truck_1_0_1_]

Originally Posted by fulltime bengalfan

And now cook might be out too... If we dont get another gaurd and now maybe a center this is gonna be a very long season....After watching the green bay game the Oline looked no better them last year.... I think it might have looked worse....Because now we cant run the ball at all.....Having sad all that i hope some of the reason we looked so bad was because we where missing our number 1 and 2 backs and our better blocking T.E..... I mean lets get real we play some pretty good teams this year....And this Oline as it is right now wont get the job done..... I know some people are gonna get mad at me for saying this but thats just the way i see it OH P.S the oline has been holding this team back for 4 years

We won the North due to the oline in '09.

Oline was rather good in 2010 save for 2 spots, and Carsone was awful.

Last year were top 3 in pass pro.

Try again.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by NC Bengal Mike

Um, No

Let me guess because you say so ?

[eoxyod]

Originally Posted by Truck_1_0_1_

We won the North due to the oline in '09.

Oline was rather good in 2010 save for 2 spots, and Carsone was awful.

Last year were top 3 in pass pro.

Try again.

Well, I'd go more with the D, but the OL + Benson were good too

[Utts]

Originally Posted by wideopen

You dont know who Dave Lapham is? He conceded on air we had no backups that could deal with Abrams. I am sorry thats so hard to understand

There are plenty of starters in the league that can't deal with him. That being said, our line is ****.