Wallace back.

[7sLefty]

Originally Posted by Bryan

From what I understand, they went heavy at RB, and Rainey is being both areceiver and RB basicially he is their version of Dexter McCluster/Darren Sproles.

??? That's dumb !!! 4 receivers...they have two solid receivers...one being rusty and unhappy....below avg o line....a good quarterback and a new system!! We shall see how that arrogance pans out!

[6andcounting]

Originally Posted by Bryan

From what I understand, they went heavy at RB, and Rainey is being both areceiver and RB basicially he is their version of Dexter McCluster/Darren Sproles.

Yeah, when you factor in matchs-ups, going 5 wide with Wallace, Brown, Sanders, Miller and Rainey would be the best combo we could field. Since we could run out of formations with Miller and Rainey in there the D would have to keep an extra LB in who would have to cover one of those guys in space.

When he was drafted the comparisons to Sproles were obvious, but I didn't want to get my hopes up because there was a good chance he'd be too small to be effective. But after what I've seen of him in the preseason , it looks like we will be running the Saints offense. Talented combo of playmakers at receiver, glued together with a veteran possesion guy. Big, versatile TEs. A match-up nightmare who can line up anywhere, along with a solid rotation of power backs at the RB position. Oh yeah, and a super star qb. And now that Arians is gone, something like this is actually possible with our offense.

[Woodley]

Originally Posted by Johnny Cupcakes

Woodley just confused himself pretty bad with this one.

Because you didn't get it doesn't mean I was confused Cupcake.

[Woodley]

Originally Posted by neek

You're right about one thing though, the 2-14 team doesn't exist anymore. But I bet the 5-11 team does.

That's right neek, your bungles.

[Woodley]

Originally Posted by Johnny Cupcakes

Why do people throw out smack about Steelers fans coming to the Smack Talk section of a Bengals Message Board? You do realize that without them, this part of the forums would be a giant Bengal circle jerk all the time, right? It would be like Jungle Noise, with mildly better insults......maybe.

That would be just fine with beaker...and you too Cupcake, stop pretending.

But I must admit that this forum does provide for a Steeler fan circle jerk amongst certain members...dukie, asmith, and blitz seem to have a thing going. God bless em.

[Beaker]

Originally Posted by Woodley

That would be just fine with beaker...and you too Cupcake, stop pretending.

But I must admit that this forum does provide for a Steeler fan circle jerk amongst certain members...dukie, asmith, and blitz seem to have a thing going. God bless em.

A list of everyone who makes you look like the loser you are on a consistent basis...lol.

[coltsfan4ever]

Originally Posted by DWright

Or Steelers fans that come to a Bengals message board to make themselves feel superior. The Steelers might be a good team, but you're still an idiot.

Well, how about Bengal fans who come to their *SMACK FORUM* wishing folks that are fans of other teams to not show up?

Tell me... if no fans of other teams are here, who would Bengal fans be "smacking"?

Other Bengal fans?

Is that what Bengal fans want the smack forum to be? A place where Bengal fans smack each other?

[Beaker]

Originally Posted by coltsfan4ever

Is that what Bengal fans want the smack forum to be? A place where Bengal fans smack each other?

Nope, cause that would make them colts fans....in the shower.

[coltsfan4ever]

Originally Posted by neek

You know who else were "franchise quarterbacks", Andre Ware, Rodney Peete, Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith...... And so on and so on. You're right about one thing though, the 2-14 team doesn't exist anymore. But I bet the 5-11 team does.

Hey... I recognize one of those names... wasn't Akili Smith... A BENGAL!!?

I also remember that when Ryan Leaf was the Franchise QB for the Chargers... PEYTON MANNING was the Franchise QB for the Colts!

Hey... thanks for taking me down memory lane!

[coltsfan4ever]

Originally Posted by Beaker

Nope, cause that would make them colts fans....in the shower.

Uhh... you trying to be funny there? Because if you were, that was a big *FAIL*.

You really should refrain from sniffing chemicals during the weekend.

[Beaker]

Originally Posted by coltsfan4ever

Uhh... you trying to be funny there? Because if you were, that was a big *FAIL*.

Truth hurts. No surprise you would find it painful.

[coltsfan4ever]

Originally Posted by Beaker

Truth hurts. No surprise you would find it painful.

No.

The truth is that Andrew Luck is a much, much better quarterback than Andy Dalton. Bengal fans wish Andrew Luck was their quarterback instead of Andy Dalton. They know that with Andrew Luck's cannon arm and with AJ Green's speed, that combination would be deadly and would be a *REAL* deep threat instead of the current fake one with Dalton's weak arm.

That's what's painful. Bengals have a great receiver but have a weak armed QB.

That's the truth and I realize it's quite painful.

[Beaker]

Originally Posted by coltsfan4ever

No.

The truth is that Andrew Luck is a much, much better quarterback than Andy Dalton. Bengal fans wish Andrew Luck was their quarterback instead of Andy Dalton. They know that with Andrew Luck's cannon arm and with AJ Green's speed, that combination would be deadly and would be a *REAL* deep threat instead of the current fake one with Dalton's weak arm.

That's what's painful. Bengals have a great receiver but have a weak armed QB.

That's the truth and I realize it's quite painful.

The same cannon arm that went 2 passes for 8 yds against the Bengals starters?

[coltsfan4ever]

Originally Posted by Beaker

The same cannon arm that went 2 passes for 8 yds against the Bengals starters?

Again... they didn't keep him in the game long enough for him to torch the Bengals secondary.

Don't worry... he'll exhibit his cannon arm during the season. I have confidence that he and Reggie Wayne are going to create a bunch of TD's this season.

[Beaker]

Originally Posted by coltsfan4ever

I have confidence that he and Reggie Wayne are going to create a bunch of TD's this season.

Problem is, to a colts fans "a bunch" could be as many as 2.

[Whatever]

Originally Posted by 6andcounting

Yeah, when you factor in matchs-ups, going 5 wide with Wallace, Brown, Sanders, Miller and Rainey would be the best combo we could field. Since we could run out of formations with Miller and Rainey in there the D would have to keep an extra LB in who would have to cover one of those guys in space.

When he was drafted the comparisons to Sproles were obvious, but I didn't want to get my hopes up because there was a good chance he'd be too small to be effective. But after what I've seen of him in the preseason , it looks like we will be running the Saints offense. Talented combo of playmakers at receiver, glued together with a veteran possesion guy. Big, versatile TEs. A match-up nightmare who can line up anywhere, along with a solid rotation of power backs at the RB position. Oh yeah, and a super star qb. And now that Arians is gone, something like this is actually possible with our offense.

Issue with Rainey is durability. He's already had to be helped off the field in limited snaps in at least 2 of the Steelers' preseason games. I don't think his presence forces teams to leave an extra LB in,either,as he only averaged 3.8 ypc during the preseason and your average DB has no trouble getting a 180 pound guy on the ground. In fact,given Rainey's speed,most teams would probably be more likely to go nickle when he's in there.

At the end of the day,it's a dangerous gambit the Steelers are playing. They are banking a lot on the fragile Rainey and Wallace isn't in game shape,yet. If two of your four WR's go down with even relatively minor injuries like hamstring pulls,your offense is pretty much crippled. However,maybe it will pay off. Time will tell.

[GreggyDigital]

Originally Posted by Whatever

Issue with Rainey is durability. He's already had to be helped off the field in limited snaps in at least 2 of the Steelers' preseason games. I don't think his presence forces teams to leave an extra LB in,either,as he only averaged 3.8 ypc during the preseason and your average DB has no trouble getting a 180 pound guy on the ground. In fact,given Rainey's speed,most teams would probably be more likely to go nickle when he's in there.

At the end of the day,it's a dangerous gambit the Steelers are playing. They are banking a lot on the fragile Rainey and Wallace isn't in game shape,yet. If two of your four WR's go down with even relatively minor injuries like hamstring pulls,your offense is pretty much crippled. However,maybe it will pay off. Time will tell.

Seriously, how often do you see two receivers getting hurt in the same game?

The 5th receiver on any team is basically a ST player so you're really trying to make this a bigger deal than it is.

Regardless, any team that had two WRs get injured would be in pretty bad shape...

Though, funny you should bring up the WR core. The Bengals are 1 WR injury from a browns like offense.

[6andcounting]

Originally Posted by Whatever

Issue with Rainey is durability. He's already had to be helped off the field in limited snaps in at least 2 of the Steelers' preseason games. I don't think his presence forces teams to leave an extra LB in,either,as he only averaged 3.8 ypc during the preseason and your average DB has no trouble getting a 180 pound guy on the ground. In fact,given Rainey's speed,most teams would probably be more likely to go nickle when he's in there.

At the end of the day,it's a dangerous gambit the Steelers are playing. They are banking a lot on the fragile Rainey and Wallace isn't in game shape,yet. If two of your four WR's go down with even relatively minor injuries like hamstring pulls,your offense is pretty much crippled. However,maybe it will pay off. Time will tell.

We got two receivers on the practice squad. I've said this before, the guys on the practice squad wouldn't dress on game day anyway, so might as well put them on the practice squad instead of wasting a roster spot on the final 53.... lol.

What pass 1st team could lose there #1 receiver, along with one of their 2-4 receivers and not be crippled? With the TEs we have along with the fact that all 4 of the receivers are all actually good, we'd still be in better position than any other team that those injuries cpould happen to...... If Greene and someone else went down, the Bengals would run 75% of the time and run playaction to Greshem 20% of the time. Cotchery and Sanders are the obvious choice compared to whoever the Dolphins are putting out there as starters. If the Lions lost Megatron and another guy, you think Stafford would be putting up 5,000+ yards and how many ever TDs? Who would the Cards field if Fitz went down? Is there a team in the league that wouldn't be crippled if 2 of their 4 receivers went down?



Now to actually address an intelligent thought..... If Rainey does nothing but catch swing passes and line up at receiver, teams would bring an extra DB in. He would have to have success running and in other areas to force other teams to to have to bring in an extra LB... But even if teams use an extra DB instead of LB, there are plently is mis-matches to create. One less LB is one less pass rusher. Lets see a defense blanket Wakllace, brown and Sanders for 6+ seconds. We could also bring in a 2nd TE instead of a 3rd receiver. Two huge mis-matches over DBs.

[6andcounting]

Originally Posted by GreggyDigital

Seriously, how often do you see two receivers getting hurt in the same game?

The 5th receiver on any team is basically a ST player so you're really trying to make this a bigger deal than it is.

Regardless, any team that had two WRs get injured would be in pretty bad shape...

Though, funny you should bring up the WR core. The Bengals are 1 WR injury from a browns like offense.

You're obviously not listening to him. If all those guys get hurt, our offense would be CRIPPLED and everyone knows it. Our only chance this season is if all of our good players don't get hurt. Wallace held out of camp and avoided potential injuries by not doing camp. So obviously the chances of him getting hurt are much greater because he has less wear and tear from camp. We are stupid for only keeping 4 receivers on the roster, because if they all go down at the same time in the same game, it's not just them who would be crippled. The Steelers entire organization would be crippled for decades to come! Now if we kept that 5th receiver, who wouldn't be 1 of the 45 to dress on game day anyway, then everything would be okay.

[Whatever]

Originally Posted by 6andcounting

We got two receivers on the practice squad. I've said this before, the guys on the practice squad wouldn't dress on game day anyway, so might as well put them on the practice squad instead of wasting a roster spot on the final 53.... lol.

What pass 1st team could lose there #1 receiver, along with one of their 2-4 receivers and not be crippled? With the TEs we have along with the fact that all 4 of the receivers are all actually good, we'd still be in better position than any other team that those injuries cpould happen to...... If Greene and someone else went down, the Bengals would run 75% of the time and run playaction to Greshem 20% of the time. Cotchery and Sanders are the obvious choice compared to whoever the Dolphins are putting out there as starters. If the Lions lost Megatron and another guy, you think Stafford would be putting up 5,000+ yards and how many ever TDs? Who would the Cards field if Fitz went down? Is there a team in the league that wouldn't be crippled if 2 of their 4 receivers went down?



Now to actually address an intelligent thought..... If Rainey does nothing but catch swing passes and line up at receiver, teams would bring an extra DB in. He would have to have success running and in other areas to force other teams to to have to bring in an extra LB... But even if teams use an extra DB instead of LB, there are plently is mis-matches to create. One less LB is one less pass rusher. Lets see a defense blanket Wakllace, brown and Sanders for 6+ seconds. We could also bring in a 2nd TE instead of a 3rd receiver. Two huge mis-matches over DBs.

Odds are,the bubble guys the Steelers kept on the 53 instead of a 5th and/or 6th WR aren't dressing either,so that point is totally moot.

The Steelers don't even really have to lose their #1. They just have to be short two WR's to be crippled. What the Bengals would do if Green and one of our other WR's went down would be situational. If we were up,then we would pound the ball with the run game,which is probably what we would do,anyways. If we were down,then we'd go three WR's and throw. We kept 7 WR's,so we'll dress 5,maybe 6 come game day. Obviously,it isn't ideal if we're down Green and another one of our guys,but we can still run our offense. If you guys lose two WR's,then your playbook shrinks dramatically. That's why you keep a 5th WR. Doing that keeps your options open and keeps your play calling from being predictable. As for Cotchery and Sanders,get real. Sanders had 22 catches for 288 yards and 2 TD's last year. Cotchery had 16 for 237 yards and 2 TD's. For all the hype Sanders gets around here,the sad fact is that he's a #4-#5 WR on most teams. He's like you guys' poor man's Carlos Dunlap. Difference is,Dunlap has actually done something at the NFL level. Sanders hasn't done anything. Cotchery has been on a steady downslide for several years. I love the guy,and I love the way he plays the game,don't get me wrong,but nobody out there sweats Cotchery. Maybe those two guys could start for the Dolphins,but what does that really say about them when they could start for a garbage team with an awful WR corps that already seems to be the front runner for the #1 pick in next year's draft?

Problem with all that is,teams have proven that they don't need an extra pass rusher to get to Ben. You guys gave up 14 sacks against vanilla defenses in four preseason games. The only way Ben's getting 6 seconds to throw is if he's running for his life,which is admittedly very good at. Blitzing really won't consistantly help you a whole lot against the Steelers,because Ben will just run away from the pressure. The best way to consistantly disrupt him is to rush four and make sure you maintain the proper spacing to collapse the pocket around him and not give him a hole to squeeze out of. If you're blitzing,you're probably overloading one side. The problem with 2 TE's is that you don't have a second TE that's enough of a receiving threat to create a mismatch. David Johnson has 18 catches for 146 yards and 1 TD in 3 years. Pope's been in the league 6 years and still hasn't broken 1,000 receiving yards for his career,yet.

[7sLefty]

Originally Posted by Whatever

Odds are,the bubble guys the Steelers kept on the 53 instead of a 5th and/or 6th WR aren't dressing either,so that point is totally moot.

The Steelers don't even really have to lose their #1. They just have to be short two WR's to be crippled. What the Bengals would do if Green and one of our other WR's went down would be situational. If we were up,then we would pound the ball with the run game,which is probably what we would do,anyways. If we were down,then we'd go three WR's and throw. We kept 7 WR's,so we'll dress 5,maybe 6 come game day. Obviously,it isn't ideal if we're down Green and another one of our guys,but we can still run our offense. If you guys lose two WR's,then your playbook shrinks dramatically. That's why you keep a 5th WR. Doing that keeps your options open and keeps your play calling from being predictable.

Problem with all that is,teams have proven that they don't need an extra pass rusher to get to Ben. You guys gave up 14 sacks against vanilla defenses in four preseason games. The only way Ben's getting 6 seconds to throw is if he's running for his life,which is


admittedly very good at. Blitzing really won't consistantly help you a whole lot against the Steelers,because Ben will just run away from the pressure. The best way to consistantly disrupt him is to rush four and make sure you maintain the proper spacing to collapse the pocket around him and not give him a hole to squeeze out of. If you're blitzing,you're probably overloading one side. The problem with 2 TE's is that you don't have a second TE that's enough of a receiving threat to create a mismatch. David Johnson has 18 catches for 146 yards and 1 TD in 3 years. Pope's been in the league 6 years and still hasn't broken 1,000 receiving yards for his career,yet.

Run game? That was a joke right!!!! Your line is depleted at best and last I checked you don't have ray rice....you have two good wide receivers...one that is rusty and a whiner.. A very good qb that will be running for his life this yr... Let's be real on here fellas....me being a bengals fan you don't here me talking about our great running game...bc we don't...but neither does the steelers ..

[Whatever]

Originally Posted by Boomerdaulton21

Run game? That was a joke right!!!! Your line is depleted at best and last I checked you don't have ray rice....you have two good wide receivers...one that is rusty and a whiner.. A very good qb that will be running for his life this yr... Let's be real on here fellas....me being a bengals fan you don't here me talking about our great running game...bc we don't...but neither does the steelers ..

I don't believe I ever said that our run game was great,because it isn't. However,if we have injuries at WR and we're up or the game is close,then Marvin's going to run the ball to kill clock and hope the D and ST's will give us field position.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by coltsfan4ever

Well, how about Bengal fans who come to their *SMACK FORUM* wishing folks that are fans of other teams to not show up?

Tell me... if no fans of other teams are here, who would Bengal fans be "smacking"?

Other Bengal fans?

Is that what Bengal fans want the smack forum to be? A place where Bengal fans smack each other?

Some need it.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by coltsfan4ever

No.

The truth is that Andrew Luck is a much, much better quarterback than Andy Dalton. Bengal fans wish Andrew Luck was their quarterback instead of Andy Dalton. They know that with Andrew Luck's cannon arm and with AJ Green's speed, that combination would be deadly and would be a *REAL* deep threat instead of the current fake one with Dalton's weak arm.

That's what's painful. Bengals have a great receiver but have a weak armed QB.

That's the truth and I realize it's quite painful.

Why would i want Ryan Leaf, Jr. on the Bengals?

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by Boomerdaulton21

Run game? That was a joke right!!!! Your line is depleted at best and last I checked you don't have ray rice....you have two good wide receivers...one that is rusty and a whiner.. A very good qb that will be running for his life this yr... Let's be real on here fellas....me being a bengals fan you don't here me talking about our great running game...bc we don't...but neither does the steelers ..

Uhh. He's a Bengals fan, not a Steelers fan.