Wallace back.

[7sLefty]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

Uhh. He's a Bengals fan, not a Steelers fan.

I don't care!! Just want people to be real on here....I'm a die hard Bengal fan but if we don't fix the line some and upgrade from Scott peerman Leonard then we will struggle. As far as steelers... their line is horrible and like cincy we have to rely on our passing and our defense and special teams

[Synric]

Originally Posted by coltsfan4ever

Well, how about Bengal fans who come to their *SMACK FORUM* wishing folks that are fans of other teams to not show up?

Tell me... if no fans of other teams are here, who would Bengal fans be "smacking"?

Other Bengal fans?

Is that what Bengal fans want the smack forum to be? A place where Bengal fans smack each other?

*sigh* someone else that only reads one post and decides to make a stupid comment.


Anyway onto the 4 WR's on the 53. The only time it hurts them is game day if they get an injury and not really even then either. They just move one up from the PS the next day.

Was wondering though how many LBers and D-line are they carrying? DeCastro is still on the 53 correct?

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by Boomerdaulton21

I don't care!! Just want people to be real on here....I'm a die hard Bengal fan but if we don't fix the line some and upgrade from Scott peerman Leonard then we will struggle. As far as steelers... their line is horrible and like cincy we have to rely on our passing and our defense and special teams

But....you do realize that you mixed the two teams together in your reply to him, right?

At least now i know what it is to "be real".

[6andcounting]

Originally Posted by DWright

*sigh* someone else that only reads one post and decides to make a stupid comment.


Anyway onto the 4 WR's on the 53. The only time it hurts them is game day if they get an injury and not really even then either. They just move one up from the PS the next day.

Was wondering though how many LBers and D-line are they carrying? DeCastro is still on the 53 correct?

Yes, but there's a new thing this year that you can desginate 1 player to the IR for just the 1st 6 weeks (although I did also hear it's 8 weeks so I'm not 100% sure which is it) and then bring that player back. DeCastro is currently on the roster, but I imagine once they get a good idea when he may return, they will put him to 6/8 week IR.

[6andcounting]

Originally Posted by Whatever

Odds are,the bubble guys the Steelers kept on the 53 instead of a 5th and/or 6th WR aren't dressing either,so that point is totally moot.

But only young players can go on the PS and since other teams can sign PS players away to their roster, you have to decide when players are least risky to put on the PS.

Originally Posted by Whatever

The Steelers don't even really have to lose their #1. They just have to be short two WR's to be crippled.

No, we'd be fine with Wallace and Brown at receiver.

Originally Posted by Whatever

What the Bengals would do if Green and one of our other WR's went down would be situational. If we were up,then we would pound the ball with the run game,which is probably what we would do,anyways. If we were down,then we'd go three WR's and throw. We kept 7 WR's,so we'll dress 5,maybe 6 come game day. Obviously,it isn't ideal if we're down Green and another one of our guys,but we can still run our offense. If you guys lose two WR's,then your playbook shrinks dramatically. That's why you keep a 5th WR. Doing that keeps your options open and keeps your play calling from being predictable. As for Cotchery and Sanders,get real. Sanders had 22 catches for 288 yards and 2 TD's last year. Cotchery had 16 for 237 yards and 2 TD's. For all the hype Sanders gets around here,the sad fact is that he's a #4-#5 WR on most teams. He's like you guys' poor man's Carlos Dunlap. Difference is,Dunlap has actually done something at the NFL level. Sanders hasn't done anything. Cotchery has been on a steady downslide for several years. I love the guy,and I love the way he plays the game,don't get me wrong,but nobody out there sweats Cotchery. Maybe those two guys could start for the Dolphins,but what does that really say about them when they could start for a garbage team with an awful WR corps that already seems to be the front runner for the #1 pick in next year's draft?

How many 4th string receivers (plus he's behind Miller) make 22 catches, 288 yards and 2 TDs? How many 5th string receivers have starting experience and get 16 catches 237 yards and 2 TDs? Sanders a #5? Please don't act like Sloppy, I'd expect more from you than that..

Originally Posted by Whatever

Problem with all that is,teams have proven that they don't need an extra pass rusher to get to Ben. You guys gave up 14 sacks against vanilla defenses in four preseason games. The only way Ben's getting 6 seconds to throw is if he's running for his life,which is admittedly very good at. Blitzing really won't consistantly help you a whole lot against the Steelers,because Ben will just run away from the pressure. The best way to consistantly disrupt him is to rush four and make sure you maintain the proper spacing to collapse the pocket around him and not give him a hole to squeeze out of. If you're blitzing,you're probably overloading one side. The problem with 2 TE's is that you don't have a second TE that's enough of a receiving threat to create a mismatch. David Johnson has 18 catches for 146 yards and 1 TD in 3 years. Pope's been in the league 6 years and still hasn't broken 1,000 receiving yards for his career,yet.

lol. Why does it matter? You put a DB on him all game, he may finish the game with 1,000 yards.

[7sLefty]

[quote=rfaulk34;2583940]But....you do realize that you mixed the two teams together in your reply to him, right?

At least now i know what it is to "be
Actually I didn't but thanks for the effort I simply stated that between both lines and running backs neither team should be acting like they are going to run heavy....so why try and b.s. Hence be real with what EITHER team can and can't do

[coltsfan4ever]

Originally Posted by Boomerdaulton21

But....you do realize that you mixed the two teams together in your reply to him, right?

At least now i know what it is to "be
Actually I didn't but thanks for the effort I simply stated that between both lines and running backs neither team should be acting like they are going to run heavy....so why try and b.s. Hence be real with what EITHER team can and can't do

Uhh... you're a *BENGALS FAN*, aren't you?

So... you're going to correct another Bengals fan about what he thinks the Steelers can or can't do... and completely ignore what the Steelers fan has to say, right?

Makes a lot of sense to me!

[7sLefty]

Originally Posted by coltsfan4ever

Uhh... you're a *BENGALS FAN*, aren't you?

So... you're going to correct another Bengals fan about what he thinks the Steelers can or can't do... and completely ignore what the Steelers fan has to say, right?

Makes a lot of sense to me!

And u are????? Colts fan.....there should be a 3 win limit on this thread ....maybe next yr u can participate...if you would have read past posts you would see that I said Bengal fan steeler fan or any for that matter .....what was said by a steeler fan that I ignored??!?

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by Boomerdaulton21

But....you do realize that you mixed the two teams together in your reply to him, right?

At least now i know what it is to "be.....

Actually I didn't but thanks for the effort I simply stated that between both lines and running backs neither team should be acting like they are going to run heavy....so why try and b.s. Hence be real with what EITHER team can and can't do

Allow me a second to point out your errors.

This is Whatever's quote you replied to. "What the Bengals would do if Green and one of our other WR's went down would be situational. If we were up,then we would pound the ball with the run game,which is probably what we would do,anyways."

Here is your reply. Keep in mind, you're replying to a Bengals fan who is surmising what the Bengals would do in that given situation.
"Run game? That was a joke right!!!! Your line is depleted at best and last I checked you don't have ray rice....you have two good wide receivers...one that is rusty and a whiner.. A very good qb that will be running for his life this yr... Let's be real on here fellas....me being a bengals fan you don't here me talking about our great running game...bc we don't...but neither does the steelers .."

Then what i said. "Uhh. He's a Bengals fan, not a Steelers fan."

Then you. "I don't care!! Just want people to be real on here....I'm a die hard Bengal fan but if we don't fix the line some and upgrade from Scott peerman Leonard then we will struggle. As far as steelers... their line is horrible and like cincy we have to rely on our passing and our defense and special teams" Keep in mind, you were replying to him as if he were a Steelers fan.

Now, this is you denying that you did what you did. "Actually I didn't but thanks for the effort I simply stated that between both lines and running backs neither team should be acting like they are going to run heavy....so why try and b.s. Hence be real with what EITHER team can and can't do"

OK. Glad that's finally settled. Whew.

[coltsfan4ever]

Originally Posted by Boomerdaulton21

And u are????? Colts fan.....there should be a 3 win limit on this thread ....maybe next yr u can participate...if you would have read past posts you would see that I said Bengal fan steeler fan or any for that matter .....what was said by a steeler fan that I ignored??!?

This:

Originally Posted by 6andcounting

We got two receivers on the practice squad. I've said this before, the guys on the practice squad wouldn't dress on game day anyway, so might as well put them on the practice squad instead of wasting a roster spot on the final 53.... lol.

What pass 1st team could lose there #1 receiver, along with one of their 2-4 receivers and not be crippled? With the TEs we have along with the fact that all 4 of the receivers are all actually good, we'd still be in better position than any other team that those injuries cpould happen to...... If Greene and someone else went down, the Bengals would run 75% of the time and run playaction to Greshem 20% of the time. Cotchery and Sanders are the obvious choice compared to whoever the Dolphins are putting out there as starters. If the Lions lost Megatron and another guy, you think Stafford would be putting up 5,000+ yards and how many ever TDs? Who would the Cards field if Fitz went down? Is there a team in the league that wouldn't be crippled if 2 of their 4 receivers went down?



Now to actually address an intelligent thought..... If Rainey does nothing but catch swing passes and line up at receiver, teams would bring an extra DB in. He would have to have success running and in other areas to force other teams to to have to bring in an extra LB... But even if teams use an extra DB instead of LB, there are plently is mis-matches to create. One less LB is one less pass rusher. Lets see a defense blanket Wakllace, brown and Sanders for 6+ seconds. We could also bring in a 2nd TE instead of a 3rd receiver. Two huge mis-matches over DBs.

Oh... and the Colts will win more games than the Bengals will this season.

[Ron Mexico]

Originally Posted by coltsfan4ever

Oh... and the Colts will win more games than the Bengals will this season.

What would lead you to make such a moronic statement? Luck may be decent down the line, but that won't start this season....4-12 tops

[Beaker]

Originally Posted by coltsfan4ever

Oh... and the Colts will win more games than the Bengals will this season.

Bravado is so funny.

[Whatever]

Originally Posted by 6andcounting

But only young players can go on the PS and since other teams can sign PS players away to their roster, you have to decide when players are least risky to put on the PS.
No, we'd be fine with Wallace and Brown at receiver.
How many 4th string receivers (plus he's behind Miller) make 22 catches, 288 yards and 2 TDs? How many 5th string receivers have starting experience and get 16 catches 237 yards and 2 TDs? Sanders a #5? Please don't act like Sloppy, I'd expect more from you than that..

lol. Why does it matter? You put a DB on him all game, he may finish the game with 1,000 yards.

Wallace and Brown would be best case scenario if the Steelers were down 2 WR's,but you still can't run a lot of packages with that. Teams will just go into nickle on passing downs,double team both of them,and man up on what you have left over.

Dude,Andrew Hawkins was the Bengals' #4 WR last year and had 23 catches for 263 yards,and he was a rookie UDFA playing behind a Pro Bowl WR and a Pro Bowl alternate TE. Last year,Matt Willis was Denver's #4 WR,and he had 18 catches for 267 yards and a TD with Tim Tebow throwing to him for most of the year,for pete's sake. San Diego's #4 was Vincent Brown,with 19 catches for 329 yards and 2 TD's. Heck,Chad Ochocinco/Johnson/whateverhisnameisthisweek had 15 catches for 276 yards and a TD and everybody knows that he didn't even have the first clue what he was doing in New England's offense. That just kind of underscores how little you pay attention to what's going on with the other 31 clubs in the league. Sanders goes out and puts up typical stats for a #4 WR,and you think he's a starting caliber WR. He's not. Like I said,he's a #4-#5 on most teams. Cotchery has starting experience,sure. He's also a 30 year old WR who's production has steadily declined since 2007 who's had 1 career 1,000 yard season.

What in the world are you on? A DB is going to take away 95% of the TE's in the league in man coverage. There are top tier new breed receiving TE's that are simply too athletic and big for a DB to handle,but the Steelers don't have anybody like that. Miller is the closest,and while he's a good receiving TE,he's nowhere near top tier guys like Gates,Gronk,Finley,Davis,etc. And you certainly don't have an Aaron Hernandez on your roster as a #2,either. A 2 TE system like New England's is a nightmare to defend IF you've got the personel to run it. The Steelers don't. The Bengals don't,either. The closest in the AFCN would be Baltimore,though,and even that's a poor man's version.

[6andcounting]

Originally Posted by Whatever

Wallace and Brown would be best case scenario if the Steelers were down 2 WR's,but you still can't run a lot of packages with that. Teams will just go into nickle on passing downs,double team both of them,and man up on what you have left over.

Dude,Andrew Hawkins was the Bengals' #4 WR last year and had 23 catches for 263 yards,and he was a rookie UDFA playing behind a Pro Bowl WR and a Pro Bowl alternate TE. Last year,Matt Willis was Denver's #4 WR,and he had 18 catches for 267 yards and a TD with Tim Tebow throwing to him for most of the year,for pete's sake. San Diego's #4 was Vincent Brown,with 19 catches for 329 yards and 2 TD's. Heck,Chad Ochocinco/Johnson/whateverhisnameisthisweek had 15 catches for 276 yards and a TD and everybody knows that he didn't even have the first clue what he was doing in New England's offense. That just kind of underscores how little you pay attention to what's going on with the other 31 clubs in the league. Sanders goes out and puts up typical stats for a #4 WR,and you think he's a starting caliber WR. He's not. Like I said,he's a #4-#5 on most teams. Cotchery has starting experience,sure. He's also a 30 year old WR who's production has steadily declined since 2007 who's had 1 career 1,000 yard season.

What in the world are you on? A DB is going to take away 95% of the TE's in the league in man coverage. There are top tier new breed receiving TE's that are simply too athletic and big for a DB to handle,but the Steelers don't have anybody like that. Miller is the closest,and while he's a good receiving TE,he's nowhere near top tier guys like Gates,Gronk,Finley,Davis,etc. And you certainly don't have an Aaron Hernandez on your roster as a #2,either. A 2 TE system like New England's is a nightmare to defend IF you've got the personel to run it. The Steelers don't. The Bengals don't,either. The closest in the AFCN would be Baltimore,though,and even that's a poor man's version.

1. Sanders did it in 11 games.
2. Pope is 6'8. Linebackers are usually 6'2 or taller. Corners... not so much.
3. I never said the Steelers have TEs like New Engalnd or anyone else. Just that having a db on Pope is likely to create a mis-match.
4. If you want to argue that it's impossible to have a good passing offense if you can only have 2 receivers available I'm not going to disagree..... I just can't figure out why you are arguing that.
5. NFL.com says Vincent Brown started 4 games. 4th string my ***. "That just kind of underscores how little you pay attention to what's going on with the other 31 clubs in the league."

[coltsfan4ever]

Originally Posted by Johnny Cupcakes

What would lead you to make such a moronic statement? Luck may be decent down the line, but that won't start this season....4-12 tops

Okay... if you think the Colts will go 4-12, the Bengals will go 3-13.

I think it's more moronic to think the Bengals will actually do something this year. From my viewpoint, the Bengals didn't improve much from last year. However, they now have a tougher schedule. Also, the defenses won't be surprised anymore by Dalton and Green. They'll have better game plans.

Ever heard of the sophomore slump? Both Dalton and Green are sophomores this season. Don't be surprised if the Bengals end up 3-13.

[coltsfan4ever]

Originally Posted by Beaker

Bravado is so funny.

It's not bravado, it's being real. You'll see.

[Woodley]

Originally Posted by Johnny Cupcakes

Luck may be decent down the line, but that won't start this season....4-12 tops

Like he said, the Colts will fare better than the bengals.

[Woodley]

Originally Posted by Beaker

Bravado is so funny.

We like laughing at you too beaker

[Ron Mexico]

Originally Posted by Woodley

Like he said, the Colts will fare better than the bengals.

If the Colts end up with a better record than the Bengals, you can each have one of my testicles. You and the Colts fan (lame). I'll even let you pick which one you want first, because I like you just a tiny bit better. The right one is slightly bigger, but I think it may be cancerous. I just thought I'd let you know in advance, just in case these pieces of information factor into which testicle you'd choose in case the Colts pull off a miracle and actually become a good team.

Steelers having a better record than the Bengals? Maybe.
Ravens having a better record than the Bengals? Possibly.
Colts having a better record than the Bengals? You dudes must be stoned.

What a bunch of mo-mo's.....

[Woodley]

Originally Posted by Johnny Cupcakes

If the Colts end up with a better record than the Bengals, you can each have one of my testicles. You and the Colts fan (lame). I'll even let you pick which one you want first, because I like you just a tiny bit better. The right one is slightly bigger, but I think it may be cancerous. I just thought I'd let you know in advance, just in case these pieces of information factor into which testicle you'd choose in case the Colts pull off a miracle and actually become a good team.

You never had balls to begin with.

Originally Posted by Johnny Cupcakes

Steelers having a better record than the Bengals? Maybe.
Ravens having a better record than the Bengals? Possibly.
Colts having a better record than the Bengals? You dudes must be stoned.

How can I be stoned if I agree on the first two possibilities?

[Luvnit2]

Originally Posted by coltsfan4ever

Okay... if you think the Colts will go 4-12, the Bengals will go 3-13.

I think it's more moronic to think the Bengals will actually do something this year. From my viewpoint, the Bengals didn't improve much from last year. However, they now have a tougher schedule. Also, the defenses won't be surprised anymore by Dalton and Green. They'll have better game plans.

Ever heard of the sophomore slump? Both Dalton and Green are sophomores this season. Don't be surprised if the Bengals end up 3-13.

We have your prediction noted of 3-13 for the bengals. I wager they win more.

The wager is loser leaves board for 3 months at end of the year.

Time for once to put something on the line or will you duck out again?

[Beaker]

Originally Posted by Luvnit2

We have your prediction noted of 3-13 for the bengals. I wager they win more.

The wager is loser leaves board for 3 months at end of the year.

Time for once to put something on the line or will you duck out again?

Not really fair. He'll be long gone by week 4 anyway....only to pop up next off season to talk about how great luck will be after learning his lessons during his rookie season.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by coltsfan4ever

Okay... if you think the Colts will go 4-12, the Bengals will go 3-13.

I think it's more moronic to think the Bengals will actually do something this year.(1) From my viewpoint, the Bengals didn't improve much from last year. However, they now have a tougher schedule. Also, the defenses won't be surprised anymore by Dalton and Green. They'll have better game plans.

(2)Ever heard of the sophomore slump? Both Dalton and Green are sophomores this season. Don't be surprised if the Bengals end up 3-13.

1. Dalton and Green have actual NFL success and Luck has not played a down yet so how do you logically surmise that he's going to be more successful?

2. This isn't High School, Junior.

3. I don't expect a logical, well thought out response. Which means i definitely don't expect anything above 4th grade smack.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by coltsfan4ever

It's not bravado, it's being real. You'll see.

Ahhhhhh. There's some of that 4th grade smack.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by Luvnit2

We have your prediction noted of 3-13 for the bengals. I wager they win more.

The wager is loser leaves board for 3 months at end of the year.

Time for once to put something on the line or will you duck out again?

No need for a bet there. He'll do that this year just like last after the Colts crap the bed again.