The Not So Big...big 10.....

[kevin]

The Big 10 isn't looking very good against other conferences this season.....add in Ohio State and the NCAA investigation and penalties on Pryor, Tressell and other players, no bowl games this year ......and lets not forget Penn State and their near death penaties.......Two of the top coaches, Jo Pa and Tressell, images tarnished, one deceased, the other exiled....

Oh, this conference will have it's head to head games and the Ohio State/ Michigan game.....it will have it's bowl teams, probably more than they deserve with some getting into a bowl with almost .500 records....

With the fall of Penn State and Ohio State, the conference is lucky they added Nebraska, especially since Penn State is not going to be a top team for years to come, if ever again....

Oh, this conference will rebound in years to come, but in 2012, the big 10 doesn't look very big.

Ohio State and Penn State imploded because they put their football before everything else and thought they were above all rules and laws. They were not. Two coaches who preached giving these players the college experience turned out to be flawed....and it's hard to believe a Gordan Gee wasn't as involved or guilty as anybody. It seems the heads at Ohio State and Penn State side stepped the law and still bring down the highest pay checks in college. These college presidents are the lowest of all, yet the highest paid and still in their jobs doing the cover up. They are very Nixon.

As for The Big 10 Network...I mean really.....Whats to watch..... I just hope this doesn't comprise too much of my cable bill, because I never watch it. Whats there to watch.

I will watch Ohio State in some games....at Michigan State, At Wisconsin, Nebraska, Michigan.....but their somewhat soft scheduled other games haven't made me want to watch them yet. I know all big schools schedule easy win games.....but I don't have to watch those games.....there are some games coming up where Buckeyes will have to do more than just throw their jock straps on the field. ...and those games are worth watching.

I guess they still call it the Big 10, which doesn't say much for these schools math classes, because if they added Penn State and Nebraska over the years, isn't that 12 and not 10. ...I know they still call it the Big 10 Network....well, I guess it's not important if these colleges can't count to 12, after all, it is 2 more than their fingers and toes.

[stonyhands]

Originally Posted by kevin

The Big 10 isn't looking very good against other conferences this season.....add in Ohio State and the NCAA investigation and penalties on Pryor, Tressell and other players, no bowl games this year ......and lets not forget Penn State and their near death penaties.......Two of the top coaches, Jo Pa and Tressell, images tarnished, one deceased, the other exiled....

Oh, this conference will have it's head to head games and the Ohio State/ Michigan game.....it will have it's bowl teams, probably more than they deserve with some getting into a bowl with almost .500 records....

With the fall of Penn State and Ohio State, the conference is lucky they added Nebraska, especially since Penn State is not going to be a top team for years to come, if ever again....

Oh, this conference will rebound in years to come, but in 2012, the big 10 doesn't look very big.

Ohio State and Penn State imploded because they put their football before everything else and thought they were above all rules and laws. They were not. Two coaches who preached giving these players the college experience turned out to be flawed....and it's hard to believe a Gordan Gee wasn't as involved or guilty as anybody. It seems the heads at Ohio State and Penn State side stepped the law and still bring down the highest pay checks in college. These college presidents are the lowest of all, yet the highest paid and still in their jobs doing the cover up. They are very Nixon.

As for The Big 10 Network...I mean really.....Whats to watch..... I just hope this doesn't comprise too much of my cable bill, because I never watch it. Whats there to watch.

I will watch Ohio State in some games....at Michigan State, At Wisconsin, Nebraska, Michigan.....but their somewhat soft scheduled other games haven't made me want to watch them yet. I know all big schools schedule easy win games.....but I don't have to watch those games.....there are some games coming up where Buckeyes will have to do more than just throw their jock straps on the field. ...and those games are worth watching.

I guess they still call it the Big 10, which doesn't say much for these schools math classes, because if they added Penn State and Nebraska over the years, isn't that 12 and not 10. ...I know they still call it the Big 10 Network....well, I guess it's not important if these colleges can't count to 12, after all, it is 2 more than their fingers and toes.

The mere thought of mentioning what Penn State did vs what happened at Ohio State in the above is downright offensive. One school had employees cover up or turn their heads to some of the most atrocious acts imaginable while the other school broke a few NCAA rules that I know get broken by many Div 1 schools. I'll let you decide which is which.

While both schools were disciplined accordingly, you just grouped the two together all non challant. Ohio State was made an example of. Who suffered because a few players who generated millions of revenue for the school while making zilch, when they sold their personal belongings? The rules are BS. Now a new coach and new bunch of players are punished for stuff they never did. Fine the hell out of the schools vacate the wins from the past and move on.

What does it teach college football players that if they break the rules the team that they might not even be a part of anymore will be punished?

A lot of atrocious things happened at Penn State. It's also atrocious that the current football players are punished for stuff they didn't do. Again take it out on the school financially.

[SunsetBengal]

Big 10 talent level is down, across the conference. The coaches are losing the recruiting battles for the premiere athletes across the country, as the midwest just doesn't produce enough of their own. Sure, the midwest is a good place to find linemen, but most of the game changing speed athletes come from the warmer climate zones of the country.

[kevin]

Originally Posted by stonyhands

The mere thought of mentioning what Penn State did vs what happened at Ohio State in the above is downright offensive. One school had employees cover up or turn their heads to some of the most atrocious acts imaginable while the other school broke a few NCAA rules that I know get broken by many Div 1 schools. I'll let you decide which is which.

While both schools were disciplined accordingly, you just grouped the two together all non challant. Ohio State was made an example of. Who suffered because a few players who generated millions of revenue for the school while making zilch, when they sold their personal belongings? The rules are BS. Now a new coach and new bunch of players are punished for stuff they never did. Fine the hell out of the schools vacate the wins from the past and move on.

What does it teach college football players that if they break the rules the team that they might not even be a part of anymore will be punished?

A lot of atrocious things happened at Penn State. It's also atrocious that the current football players are punished for stuff they didn't do. Again take it out on the school financially.

The violations or crimes are different, but what Ohio State and Penn State have in common is the cover ups. These cover ups go to the top, past the head coaches. Paterno said he told the AD and University President. I find it hard to believe Gordan Gee and other Ohio State heads didn't see the QB and other players driving around in new cars and other forms of payment for services. .....Both colleges put football above everything else, above the rules, above the law, above everything else.....What is tragic is that the heads at Ohio State and Penn State still have their jobs and are some of the highest paid college heads in the world. It is tragic because they are as much or more involved in the cover ups than anybody. Of course they knew what was going on, and certainly under investigation knew, but choose to keep their skirts clean as they hid and did more cover up and laid it all on coaches and players. ...and if they still didn't know what was going on after all this, then they are very lousy at their jobs and should be immediatly terminated. They are no longer worthy to run one of Americas colleges.

Now are these the only colleges that put football above all else, no......Does it happen in high school, yes, very much. It's not unusual for high schools to look the other way when star players break the rules or should get failing grades but teachers are pressured into adjusting the grade so the star player can suit up for the big game.

So now we are faced with, well everybody does it, so why punish these two colleges, can't you let it slide this time, they've learned their lesson.....except Penn State went farther than just breaking some NCAA violations....Yet fans at Penn State don't see the harm, where is the statue, bring the statue back, what did our college do wrong they ask.....and why can't Buckeyes go to a bowl the OSU fans moan.....

Those that think football and basketball at these colleges and high schools is above all things will not get it. ...probably never will...

2 of the 12 colleges in the Big 10 are now very tarnished. This is not to say good students don't attend them. Good young students are attending and are trying to graduate from both colleges. The students are not the problem. They and the teachers show that the college is more than ball games. .....but it can't be denied that both colleges have been very tarnished, and again, this very much includes the ADs and Presidents who did the Nixon and covered up and still have their jobs although being the ones the most guilty of the cover ups.

It is for the cover ups by Coaches, ADs, Presidents that I can say Penn State and Ohio State in the same sentance.

[XenoMorph]

Originally Posted by stonyhands

The mere thought of mentioning what Penn State did vs what happened at Ohio State in the above is downright offensive. One school had employees cover up or turn their heads to some of the most atrocious acts imaginable while the other school broke a few NCAA rules that I know get broken by many Div 1 schools. I'll let you decide which is which.

While both schools were disciplined accordingly, you just grouped the two together all non challant. Ohio State was made an example of. Who suffered because a few players who generated millions of revenue for the school while making zilch, when they sold their personal belongings? The rules are BS. Now a new coach and new bunch of players are punished for stuff they never did. Fine the hell out of the schools vacate the wins from the past and move on.

What does it teach college football players that if they break the rules the team that they might not even be a part of anymore will be punished?

A lot of atrocious things happened at Penn State. It's also atrocious that the current football players are punished for stuff they didn't do. Again take it out on the school financially.

Some dude sold a Ring he worked hard for.

that should not vacate wins or be punished its his ring. I find i hard to believe that if a full time student is also a football player that they have any time at all to work a job and generate money for themselves (if not on a scholarship) and even on a scholarship it pays for room classes and maybe food. Keeping up good grades takes time and effort same with practice.

So if i want to see my ring for some extra spending cash that should not be an issue worthy of a head coach being fired.

Its not where near in the league of what happened at penn state either.

To the OP is your point here to insult the buckeyes? the Big 10?
It seems you dont enjoy Big 10 Football... maybe youll enjoy sec football better.

[XenoMorph]

Originally Posted by kevin

The violations or crimes are different, but what Ohio State and Penn State have in common is the cover ups. These cover ups go to the top, past the head coaches. Paterno said he told the AD and University President. I find it hard to believe Gordan Gee and other Ohio State heads didn't see the QB and other players driving around in new cars and other forms of payment for services. .....Both colleges put football above everything else, above the rules, above the law, above everything else.....What is tragic is that the heads at Ohio State and Penn State still have their jobs and are some of the highest paid college heads in the world. It is tragic because they are as much or more involved in the cover ups than anybody. Of course they knew what was going on, and certainly under investigation knew, but choose to keep their skirts clean as they hid and did more cover up and laid it all on coaches and players. ...and if they still didn't know what was going on after all this, then they are very lousy at their jobs and should be immediatly terminated. They are no longer worthy to run one of Americas colleges.

Now are these the only colleges that put football above all else, no......Does it happen in high school, yes, very much. It's not unusual for high schools to look the other way when star players break the rules or should get failing grades but teachers are pressured into adjusting the grade so the star player can suit up for the big game.

So now we are faced with, well everybody does it, so why punish these two colleges, can't you let it slide this time, they've learned their lesson.....except Penn State went farther than just breaking some NCAA violations....Yet fans at Penn State don't see the harm, where is the statue, bring the statue back, what did our college do wrong they ask.....and why can't Buckeyes go to a bowl the OSU fans moan.....

Those that think football and basketball at these colleges and high schools is above all things will not get it. ...probably never will...

2 of the 12 colleges in the Big 10 are now very tarnished. This is not to say good students don't attend them. Good young students are attending and are trying to graduate from both colleges. The students are not the problem. They and the teachers show that the college is more than ball games. .....but it can't be denied that both colleges have been very tarnished, and again, this very much includes the ADs and Presidents who did the Nixon and covered up and still have their jobs although being the ones the most guilty of the cover ups.

It is for the cover ups by Coaches, ADs, Presidents that I can say Penn State and Ohio State in the same sentance.

Has there been any evidence that anyone knew the players were selling their rings? @ OSU? did the coaches and president of the college broker the deal? no.

when they found out there would be an investigation Tressell did the classy thing took all the blame and resigned. What it proves is Ohio state is not paying its players on the side. cause if they were none of these players would have need to sell a championship ring.

[BigPapaKain]

Originally Posted by BengalsFan024

Has there been any evidence that anyone knew the players were selling their rings? @ OSU? did the coaches and president of the college broker the deal? no.

when they found out there would be an investigation Tressell did the classy thing took all the blame and resigned. What it proves is Ohio state is not paying its players on the side. cause if they were none of these players would have need to sell a championship ring.

You know what else it proves?

It proves nobody was molesting children at OSU for 20 years. To compare the extent of cover ups is like comparing a cop pulling everyone over to what the Nazi's did to the Jewish people during WW2.

[SunsetBengal]

Originally Posted by kevin

The violations or crimes are different, but what Ohio State and Penn State have in common is the cover ups. These cover ups go to the top, past the head coaches. Paterno said he told the AD and University President. I find it hard to believe Gordan Gee and other Ohio State heads didn't see the QB and other players driving around in new cars and other forms of payment for services. .....Both colleges put football above everything else, above the rules, above the law, above everything else.....What is tragic is that the heads at Ohio State and Penn State still have their jobs and are some of the highest paid college heads in the world. It is tragic because they are as much or more involved in the cover ups than anybody. Of course they knew what was going on, and certainly under investigation knew, but choose to keep their skirts clean as they hid and did more cover up and laid it all on coaches and players. ...and if they still didn't know what was going on after all this, then they are very lousy at their jobs and should be immediatly terminated. They are no longer worthy to run one of Americas colleges.

Now are these the only colleges that put football above all else, no......Does it happen in high school, yes, very much. It's not unusual for high schools to look the other way when star players break the rules or should get failing grades but teachers are pressured into adjusting the grade so the star player can suit up for the big game.

So now we are faced with, well everybody does it, so why punish these two colleges, can't you let it slide this time, they've learned their lesson.....except Penn State went farther than just breaking some NCAA violations....Yet fans at Penn State don't see the harm, where is the statue, bring the statue back, what did our college do wrong they ask.....and why can't Buckeyes go to a bowl the OSU fans moan.....

Those that think football and basketball at these colleges and high schools is above all things will not get it. ...probably never will...

2 of the 12 colleges in the Big 10 are now very tarnished. This is not to say good students don't attend them. Good young students are attending and are trying to graduate from both colleges. The students are not the problem. They and the teachers show that the college is more than ball games. .....but it can't be denied that both colleges have been very tarnished, and again, this very much includes the ADs and Presidents who did the Nixon and covered up and still have their jobs although being the ones the most guilty of the cover ups.

It is for the cover ups by Coaches, ADs, Presidents that I can say Penn State and Ohio State in the same sentance.

But, the question is...

What does any of this have to do with the Big 10 not being competitive this season?? They've got teams like Wisconsin, Michigan St. and Michigan that were supposed to be really good this year, yet they are looking very mediocre.

[Millz]

Have to say this is the weakest the Big10 has been in quite some time it seems. When the Bucks are looking like the best team and they are in the first year of rebuilding under Meyer, that says something. Heck we can run the table for crying out loud and we arent even at the level of play we will be in a year or two or so.

[7sLefty]

Originally Posted by Millz

Have to say this is the weakest the Big10 has been in quite some time it seems. When the Bucks are looking like the best team and they are in the first year of rebuilding under Meyer, that says something. Heck we can run the table for crying out loud and we arent even at the level of play we will be in a year or two or so.

Couldn't have said it any better....couple receivers along a steady running game not named braxton....tighten up on defense...like yesterday and we are gonna be alright.

[stonyhands]

Originally Posted by kevin

The violations or crimes are different, but what Ohio State and Penn State have in common is the cover ups. These cover ups go to the top, past the head coaches. Paterno said he told the AD and University President. I find it hard to believe Gordan Gee and other Ohio State heads didn't see the QB and other players driving around in new cars and other forms of payment for services. .....Both colleges put football above everything else, above the rules, above the law, above everything else.....What is tragic is that the heads at Ohio State and Penn State still have their jobs and are some of the highest paid college heads in the world. It is tragic because they are as much or more involved in the cover ups than anybody. Of course they knew what was going on, and certainly under investigation knew, but choose to keep their skirts clean as they hid and did more cover up and laid it all on coaches and players. ...and if they still didn't know what was going on after all this, then they are very lousy at their jobs and should be immediatly terminated. They are no longer worthy to run one of Americas colleges.

Now are these the only colleges that put football above all else, no......Does it happen in high school, yes, very much. It's not unusual for high schools to look the other way when star players break the rules or should get failing grades but teachers are pressured into adjusting the grade so the star player can suit up for the big game.

So now we are faced with, well everybody does it, so why punish these two colleges, can't you let it slide this time, they've learned their lesson.....except Penn State went farther than just breaking some NCAA violations....Yet fans at Penn State don't see the harm, where is the statue, bring the statue back, what did our college do wrong they ask.....and why can't Buckeyes go to a bowl the OSU fans moan.....

Those that think football and basketball at these colleges and high schools is above all things will not get it. ...probably never will...

2 of the 12 colleges in the Big 10 are now very tarnished. This is not to say good students don't attend them. Good young students are attending and are trying to graduate from both colleges. The students are not the problem. They and the teachers show that the college is more than ball games. .....but it can't be denied that both colleges have been very tarnished, and again, this very much includes the ADs and Presidents who did the Nixon and covered up and still have their jobs although being the ones the most guilty of the cover ups.

It is for the cover ups by Coaches, ADs, Presidents that I can say Penn State and Ohio State in the same sentance.

Hahaha...

Tarnished? Penn State, yes. Ohio State, not so much.

You have your head so far up your you know what if you think for one second that the things that Ohio State were punished for is not happening at nearly every big NCAA school in the nation on one level or another. I know first hand of certain handouts that were given to McFadden and Felix Jones when they were at Arkansas.

Of course Ohio State was caught and made an example of. Still does not mean that the current roster and coaches who played absolutely no part in the violations should be punished by being bowl ineligible. Fine the school...hit them where it hurts. I am fine with whatever punishment the NCAA comes down for whatever violation there was just as long as it punishes the parties directly involved.

Again there is a huge difference for covering up what happened at Penn State vs Ohio State and it's almost offensive that you would group these two schools together.

One cover up was of something highly immoral, repulsive, and highly illegal. The other, was a violation of NCAA rules where nobody was ever harmed or abused. I'll let you guess which is which.

[stonyhands]

Originally Posted by BengalsFan024

Some dude sold a Ring he worked hard for.

that should not vacate wins or be punished its his ring. I find i hard to believe that if a full time student is also a football player that they have any time at all to work a job and generate money for themselves (if not on a scholarship) and even on a scholarship it pays for room classes and maybe food. Keeping up good grades takes time and effort same with practice.

So if i want to see my ring for some extra spending cash that should not be an issue worthy of a head coach being fired.

Its not where near in the league of what happened at penn state either.

To the OP is your point here to insult the buckeyes? the Big 10?
It seems you dont enjoy Big 10 Football... maybe youll enjoy sec football better.

Not sure why you are quoting me but...

Regardless of what the player did it was a violation of the rules. The rules are incredibly dumb, but it was a violation and various members of the coaching staff knew and covered it up.

I also mentioned that it is no where near what happened at Penn State as well. So we can agree on that one.

Like I've said numerous times, the punishment should be for those that violated the rules not the ones didn't. Vacating the wins doesn't really hurt anyone. Just changes statistics for coach/player. Making the school bowl ineligible hurts parties that were never involved.

[whodey21]

Obvious troll is obvious.

For the past decade, Ohio State has been the class of the Big Ten. Everyone else has been miles behind. They finished in the Top 5 nationally in 7 out of 10 years with Tressel, and went to 3 national championship games. They went to 8 BCS bowls, won 5 of them, and beat Michigan 9 times. No one else's record comes close to that.

The point of all of that is to say that Ohio State has been solely responsible for the national perception of the Big Ten for the majority of any high school or college player's lifetime. OSU had a bad season last year, and no one else in the Big Ten picked up the slack. Now, the Buckeyes do not have the chance to play in a bowl, and the hunt is on once again for someone to take responsibility for bringing glory to the conference. No one has.

Say what you will about Ohio State, bash the Buckeyes as much as you want, but they bring recruits, not only for themselves, but high school kids go to Big Ten schools for the chance to upset the team that didn't offer them a scholarship. As the Buckeyes go, so goes the Big Ten. If Northwestern can't work their way to the top 5, it is in the best interest of the conference for Ohio State to go 12-0.