Because I Have To

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1 Traded back for a 2013 3rd and a 2014 1st and 4th.

2 DJ Fluker OL Bama - I have dreams about Zeitler at C Fluker at RG and Andre at RT. Saw a mock with him in the 2nd. I don't think it would happen. But i've been wrong before.

2 Jonathan Brown LB ILL - Sounds like the guy we need to play WILL.

3 Walter Stewart DE/LB UC - Put him at DE and watch him grow. Or replace Lawson with him.

3 Robert Lester S Bama - Would like to see Lester and Kirkpatrick reunited. But at this point I just want a decent freaking S so Crocker can retire.

4 Ezekial Ansah DE BYU - Track athlete with a DL body in his 4th year of football. Enormous upside.

5 Dennis Johnson HB Ark - Thick and compact, fast with return and special teams capability. Peerman/Scott improvement.

6 Mike Taylor LB Wisc - Tough dependable LB.

6 Curtis McNeal HB USC - The loser in Silas Redd's transfer. I wouldn't be upset if the trio of Leonard, Scott, and Peerman were upgraded.

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What team has traded away their 1st round pick for a 3rd rounder & the following year's 1st & 4th?

Drafting a Tackle in the 2nd round? Crazy.

Who is your MIKE? Who is your SAM? If you aren't signing Howard, who is your WILL2? You seem to have drafted all back up LBs. Who are the starters?

You upgrade Peerman. But you don't ungrade Bernard Scott. As for "upgrading the trio of Peerman, Leonard, & Scott," you only are drafting 2 RBs. Will 2 rookie 5th & 6th round RBs upgrade 3 existing NFL players? RB Corp doesn't work.

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Don't know. Saints traded a 2nd in 2011 and 1st in 2012 for Ingram. Since we only get the 3rd and not a 2nd in the current trade year maybe the extra 4th evens it out. Its a fantasy scenario. I wouldn't mind having 2 second and 2 third round picks in 2013 and two first round picks in 2014. I am not in love with any first round prospects from this years draft class yet.

Whitworth isn't going to last forever, Roland still gets on the field, and C is an upgradable position. I think a juggernaut RG could push Zeitler to C and we upgrade two positions with one pick.

Preferably we keep Lawson and Howard around. Howard, Burfict, and Lawson start at LB.Worst comes to worse and we have to start 3 rookies we start Brown at WILL, Taylor at MIKE, Stewart at SAM. Howard, Burfict, Lawson, Moch, Brown, Taylor would be my top 6 LBs. Stewart is the swing man.

I think Dennis Johnson and Curtis McNeal replace Peerman and Scott respectively. Leonard right now, as much as I have questioned him in the past, has made me want him back next year more than Scott or Peerman. But he is by no means a irreplaceable player. If Herron progresses on the PS I wouldn't be surprised if he is capable of taking his spot.

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Originally Posted by NATI BENGALS

Don't know. Saints traded a 2nd in 2011 and 1st in 2012 for Ingram. Since we only get the 3rd and not a 2nd in the current trade year maybe the extra 4th evens it out. Its a fantasy scenario. I wouldn't mind having 2 second and 2 third round picks in 2013 and two first round picks in 2014. I am not in love with any first round prospects from this years draft class yet.

Whitworth isn't going to last forever, Roland still gets on the field, and C is an upgradable position. I think a juggernaut RG could push Zeitler to C and we upgrade two positions with one pick.

Preferably we keep Lawson and Howard around. Howard, Burfict, and Lawson start at LB.Worst comes to worse and we have to start 3 rookies we start Brown at WILL, Taylor at MIKE, Stewart at SAM. Howard, Burfict, Lawson, Moch, Brown, Taylor would be my top 6 LBs. Stewart is the swing man.

I think Dennis Johnson and Curtis McNeal replace Peerman and Scott respectively. Leonard right now, as much as I have questioned him in the past, has made me want him back next year more than Scott or Peerman. But he is by no means a irreplaceable player. If Herron progresses on the PS I wouldn't be surprised if he is capable of taking his spot.

Lunacy Alert!

First, Zeitler has NEVER played Center in his life. The Bengals felt that Zeitler could be an adequate (in a pinch) back up Center. The thought of moving Zeitler to center is ridiculous. The thought of upgrading Center is not. Nor is attempting to get another C2/G2 young player. And the idea of a "juggernaut" RG displacing Zeitler is also insanity. Zeitler has locked down the RG position for the next 5 - 10 years. Period. He isn't going anywhere.

Secondly, stating Whit isn't going to last forever when he is in his 7th year is ridiculous. The Bengals will look to upgrade Roland later in the draft. Collins signed a 2 year deal. Andre Smith will be extended or franchised. Tackle is not a challenge in 2013. Fluker would be a wasted pick. Period.

Thirdly, you overestimate the Bengals confidence in Lawson. The Bengals pursued Kamerion Wimbley in free agency, failed, and begrudgingly re-signed Lawson to another 1 year deal. Without any past indiscretions, two consecutive 1 year deals scream BAND AID! The Bengals have many young capable SAM back ups (Skuta, Muckelroy, Moch, Burfict). They just need a solid starter (not named Lawson) at SAM.

Also, this draft class is very deep at safety, RB, & DE. All positions of great need for the Bengals. We need to keep (or increase) our picks and really improve the 53 man roster.

Lastly, the notion that there isn't any attractive 1st round picks is unbelievable. Though I may differ in opinion on the priority, a sound argument could be made that ANY of these players would make the Bengals a better team; Te'o, Okafor, Montgomery, Reid, Werner, Milliner, Amerson, Jeffcoat, Barrett Jones, Lattimore, Warmack, Vaccaro.

[NATI BENGALS]

Originally Posted by mulligan

Lunacy Alert!

First, Zeitler has NEVER played Center in his life. The Bengals felt that Zeitler could be an adequate (in a pinch) back up Center. The thought of moving Zeitler to center is ridiculous. The thought of upgrading Center is not. Nor is attempting to get another C2/G2 young player. And the idea of a "juggernaut" RG displacing Zeitler is also insanity. Zeitler has locked down the RG position for the next 5 - 10 years. Period. He isn't going anywhere.

Secondly, stating Whit isn't going to last forever when he is in his 7th year is ridiculous. The Bengals will look to upgrade Roland later in the draft. Collins signed a 2 year deal. Andre Smith will be extended or franchised. Tackle is not a challenge in 2013. Fluker would be a wasted pick. Period.

Thirdly, you overestimate the Bengals confidence in Lawson. The Bengals pursued Kamerion Wimbley in free agency, failed, and begrudgingly re-signed Lawson to another 1 year deal. Without any past indiscretions, two consecutive 1 year deals scream BAND AID! The Bengals have many young capable SAM back ups (Skuta, Muckelroy, Moch, Burfict). They just need a solid starter (not named Lawson) at SAM.

Also, this draft class is very deep at safety, RB, & DE. All positions of great need for the Bengals. We need to keep (or increase) our picks and really improve the 53 man roster.

Lastly, the notion that there isn't any attractive 1st round picks is unbelievable. Though I may differ in opinion on the priority, a sound argument could be made that ANY of these players would make the Bengals a better team; Te'o, Okafor, Montgomery, Reid, Werner, Milliner, Amerson, Jeffcoat, Barrett Jones, Lattimore, Warmack, Vaccaro.

Our backup C has never played C until he got here.If we can train an undrafted free agent to play C I think we could train our first round interior linemen to do it. Right now it looks like Boling is playing better than Zeitler, that is why in this scenario I opted to move Zeitler to C. I wouldn't be mad if we moved either to C because I feel either would be an upgrade.

Just last year Whitworth had a problem with tendinitis and muscle loss in his leg that effected his play. I don't know if that is a recurring issue or what. I'm not a doctor. But I am not against adding insurance for a 30 year old possibly starting to show signs of wear and tear. I would like Whit to stay around 7 more years if he is still playing at a high level. But in a physical game like this things happen and bodies break down. I am a fan of tackles that can play G.

I thought a one year deal screamed Lawson was in the market for a bigger deal and will take another one year contract in search of a bigger pay day in 2013. I think Lawson has been our best LB this year. None of our young capable backups have really pushed for Lawson's starting spot either. Wimbley is a DE on his new 4-3 team and I think he would have been one here too. We also signed two free agent DEs so we were obviously in the market for one. How any free agent LBs did we sign away from other teams?

Right now, this draft class looks weak to me. The 2014 draft looks much better. As of now I would prefer to have two first round picks in 2014, especially if we end up picking near the bottom of the first round this year. If we could turn our late 2013 first round pick into potentially a top 10 pick in 2014 I think it is worth a shot. I want to continue having an advantage by having more early round picks than we are supposed to. To keep that we would have to trade back. Thanks to Oakland we are still in the race to have the 33rd overall pick where many good players will be available and probably some of the guys you just listed. Chances are more than one of those guys you listed busts or becomes nothing more than an average player, there are no sure things in the draft.

This time last year Burfict was an option in the first round. And safeties seem to fall every year.

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Originally Posted by NATI BENGALS

Our backup C has never played C until he got here.If we can train an undrafted free agent to play C I think we could train our first round interior linemen to do it. Right now it looks like Boling is playing better than Zeitler, that is why in this scenario I opted to move Zeitler to C. I wouldn't be mad if we moved either to C because I feel either would be an upgrade.

Just last year Whitworth had a problem with tendinitis and muscle loss in his leg that effected his play. I don't know if that is a recurring issue or what. I'm not a doctor. But I am not against adding insurance for a 30 year old possibly starting to show signs of wear and tear. I would like Whit to stay around 7 more years if he is still playing at a high level. But in a physical game like this things happen and bodies break down. I am a fan of tackles that can play G.

I thought a one year deal screamed Lawson was in the market for a bigger deal and will take another one year contract in search of a bigger pay day in 2013. I think Lawson has been our best LB this year. None of our young capable backups have really pushed for Lawson's starting spot either. Wimbley is a DE on his new 4-3 team and I think he would have been one here too. We also signed two free agent DEs so we were obviously in the market for one. How any free agent LBs did we sign away from other teams?

Right now, this draft class looks weak to me. The 2014 draft looks much better. As of now I would prefer to have two first round picks in 2014, especially if we end up picking near the bottom of the first round this year. If we could turn our late 2013 first round pick into potentially a top 10 pick in 2014 I think it is worth a shot. I want to continue having an advantage by having more early round picks than we are supposed to. To keep that we would have to trade back. Thanks to Oakland we are still in the race to have the 33rd overall pick where many good players will be available and probably some of the guys you just listed. Chances are more than one of those guys you listed busts or becomes nothing more than an average player, there are no sure things in the draft.

This time last year Burfict was an option in the first round. And safeties seem to fall every year.

I am about done with "rebutting" all your arguments here. Almost every statement you write, I disagree with.

No, two consecutive 1 year deals don't mean that a player is looking for money. It means that no one offered him anything of value outside of the Bengals. Lunacy.

As for the Bengals "training" a back up Center who didn't take snaps, it is easy for people to say that Trevor Robinson is capable of being a center. WTS, what happened when Cook had a high sprain? Did Robinson get the starting job? No. The Bengals signed Jeff Faine, a free agent. IMO, the Jeff Faine signing indicates that the Bengals aren't really satisfied with what Robinson could do on the field. Lunacy.

Whitworth may have had issues last year, but he didn't miss a game. 2nd round Tackle is a wasted pick. Period. The only reason some mocks have the Bengals drafting a first round tackle is because they are assuming Andre Smith won't be a Bengal in 2013. Lunacy.

Wimbley was going to be a SAM in Cincinnati. Google it. Lunacy.

Moving Zeitler to Center is a horrible mistake. He has never played center. Lunacy.

If there are no sure things in the [2013] draft, how would there be a sure thing in the 2014 draft? Lunacy.

So, instead of upgrading in 2013 to try to push for a Super Bowl, you want to trade back and stock pile 2014 picks?!? Lunacy.

Offer a reasonable argument.

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Originally Posted by mulligan

I am about done with "rebutting" all your arguments here. Almost every statement you write, I disagree with.

No, two consecutive 1 year deals don't mean that a player is looking for money. It means that no one offered him anything of value outside of the Bengals. Lunacy.

As for the Bengals "training" a back up Center who didn't take snaps, it is easy for people to say that Trevor Robinson is capable of being a center. WTS, what happened when Cook had a high sprain? Did Robinson get the starting job? No. The Bengals signed Jeff Faine, a free agent. IMO, the Jeff Faine signing indicates that the Bengals aren't really satisfied with what Robinson could do on the field. Lunacy.

Whitworth may have had issues last year, but he didn't miss a game. 2nd round Tackle is a wasted pick. Period. The only reason some mocks have the Bengals drafting a first round tackle is because they are assuming Andre Smith won't be a Bengal in 2013. Lunacy.

Wimbley was going to be a SAM in Cincinnati. Google it. Lunacy.

Moving Zeitler to Center is a horrible mistake. He has never played center. Lunacy.

If there are no sure things in the [2013] draft, how would there be a sure thing in the 2014 draft? Lunacy.

So, instead of upgrading in 2013 to try to push for a Super Bowl, you want to trade back and stock pile 2014 picks?!? Lunacy.

Offer a reasonable argument.

Why sign a multi year extension when you think you can get more? How come Landry only signed a 1 year deal with the Jets? How come Mark Anderson signed a 1 year contract with the Patriots in 2011 and got a 4 year 20 million dollar contract with the Bills this year. How come Fanene played on one year deal last year and got paid by the Patriots this year. How come Evan Mathis signed a one year contract with the Eagles when he left here, only to sign a 5 year 25 million dollar contract the following year? It happens.

Wow really? The Bengals were uncomfortable starting a rookie undrafted free agent at C. Shouldn't be surprising. I think they would have more confidence in a second year player drafted in the first round starting at C. Only reason Boling or Zeitler didn't move to C is because Faine was available and they didn't want to shuffle the line any more after already losing two starters.

Like I said I think Fluker could start at G and Zeitler could move to C and we upgrade two positions. I want Andre back on a multi year contract. If that doesn't happen it will probably be the franchise tag. If that happens and we still can't reach an extension with Andre even after the tag Fluker moves to RT in year two.. I don't think picking a guy as good as Fluker is a wasted pick by any means.

Didn't find anything on google saying SAM. Found this http://www.cincyjungle.com/2012/3/21...-interested-in talking about pass rushers and DEs.

Zeitler is an interior linemen with boat loads of intelligence. He is the type of guy you want playing C. He has trained at C in college and we have trained him some here.

I'm saying there is no sure thing in the draft, doesn't matter the year. Keith Rivers was supposed to be a sure thing.

We traded back in the 2012 draft. That isn't stopping us from pushing for a Super Bowl.

You getting all butt hurt over an extremely preliminary fantasy scenario = lunacy.