CBS Mock

[Burma]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock

Rang updated his mock as of 9/26/12. He still has us taking Texas A&M tackle Mathews. Montgomery, Milliner, and Te'o are still on his board. So what does this guy know that we don't. I haven't heard any scuttle butt about not re-singing Andre, I assume we make a fair effort to keep him but we have too many needs to be replacing him with a 1st round pick. If we have to replace Smith I would look at Alex Hurst or Ricky Wagner in the 4th long before spending another 1st.

[berserkerone88]

Probably just "Mike Brown wont pay Andre hurrrrdurrr"

[Burma]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

Probably just "Mike Brown wont pay Andre hurrrrdurrr"

I think your right. Maybe we don't re-sign him, but i doubt we fail to offer him a fair contract.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by Burma

I think your right. Maybe we don't re-sign him, but i doubt we fail to offer him a fair contract.

Mike Brown has made several guys the highest paid tackles before. He wont hesitate to pay Dre.

[goalpost]

I would think they would tag Dre at the least. That's if a contract can't get worked out.

[Burma]

Originally Posted by goalpost

I would think they would tag Dre at the least. That's if a contract can't get worked out.

Yeah. His cap number would be just over 9 million. Not bad and certainly manageable.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by Burma

Yeah. His cap number would be just over 9 million. Not bad and certainly manageable.

In another thread, I looked it up and the best RT in the NFL (excluded guys on their rookie deals obviously) only make around 7 million a year. In fact, I think I only saw one RT who made over 6.5 and then it was only 1 year out of a multi-year deal he did.

[Burma]

I thought it would be a flat 120% of his current cap number which is 7.13 million.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by Burma

I thought it would be a flat 120% of his current cap number which is 7.13 million.

I don't think they differentiate between RT and LT in the tag, so he would get the 5 highest paid average. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_tag) the 120% is only if it would be more.

I dont think the club would do that (again) for a RT.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

I don't think they differentiate between RT and LT in the tag, so he would get the 5 highest paid average. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_tag) the 120% is only if it would be more.

I dont think the club would do that (again) for a RT.

I am going out on a limb and saying that the franchise tag for a LT & RT are differentiated.

The wikipedia page lumps all olinemen together (LT, RT, Gs, & C's).

It is a gut feeling. But I gotta think that LT & RT are considered different.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by mulligan

I am going out on a limb and saying that the franchise tag for a LT & RT are differentiated.

The wikipedia page lumps all olinemen together (LT, RT, Gs, & C's).

It is a gut feeling. But I gotta think that LT & RT are considered different.

It looks as if it counts ALL O-linemen in one group:
"After failing to agree on a long-term deal, the Panthers offered Gross a one-year contract for $7.45 million, which is the average salary of the top five highest-paid offensive linemen in the NFL from last season."

Which I remember makes sense as Suggs wanted to be tagged as a DE not as a LB a few years back.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

It looks as if it counts ALL O-linemen in one group:
"After failing to agree on a long-term deal, the Panthers offered Gross a one-year contract for $7.45 million, which is the average salary of the top five highest-paid offensive linemen in the NFL from last season."

Which I remember makes sense as Suggs wanted to be tagged as a DE not as a LB a few years back.

You may be correct. I am not positive.

http://mediagallery.usatoday.com/NFL...11/G2329,A9348

$7.45 million per year sounds low for the top 5 LTs in the NFL though.

Joe Thomas - $15 million
Jake Long - $12.8 million
D'Brickashaw Ferguson - $4.45 million
Jordan Gross - $11.5 million
Jason Peters - IR
Chad Clifton - Not Active
Matt Light - Retired
Ryan Clady - $5.8 million
Tyson Clabo - $4.8 million
Marcus McNeill - Retired

These average out to be a little north of $9 million per year.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...ranchise_N.htm

Still searching for clarification if Stacy Andrews got LT money when tagged by the Bengals.

[mulligan]

WTS, if the Bengals can't get an extension done with Andre Smith, it seems that Andre would be the most obvious targeted player to be tagged.

Especially given the fraility and current status of the Bengals defense.

Thomas Howard is on IR. Great player and probably could be re-signed relatively cheaply.

Maualuga isn't worth a franchise tag. Lawson is completely not worth a franchise tag.

I can't think of another offensive or defensive player worth the franchise tag. Can anyone?

[berserkerone88]

I should have specified, that was an excerpt from 2008.
The money wasn't what was important so I forgot to add it.

[crazyjdawg]

If Manti Te'o is there when we pick, and we don't take him. I will be furious.

[bfine32]

Originally Posted by Burma

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock

Rang updated his mock as of 9/26/12. He still has us taking Texas A&M tackle Mathews. Montgomery, Milliner, and Te'o are still on his board. So what does this guy know that we don't. I haven't heard any scuttle butt about not re-singing Andre, I assume we make a fair effort to keep him but we have too many needs to be replacing him with a 1st round pick. If we have to replace Smith I would look at Alex Hurst or Ricky Wagner in the 4th long before spending another 1st.

The other dude drafted Milliner twice.

[Bengal Dude]

Originally Posted by mulligan

WTS, if the Bengals can't get an extension done with Andre Smith, it seems that Andre would be the most obvious targeted player to be tagged.

Especially given the fraility and current status of the Bengals defense.

Thomas Howard is on IR. Great player and probably could be re-signed relatively cheaply.

Maualuga isn't worth a franchise tag. Lawson is completely not worth a franchise tag.

I can't think of another offensive or defensive player worth the franchise tag. Can anyone?

I believe Andre is the only option for the tag unless the FO throws a curveball and tags Nugent again or throw a wild pitch and tag Huber.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by crazyjdawg

If Manti Te'o is there when we pick, and we don't take him. I will be furious.

Oh, good grief. Is Te'o going to be the David God-castro of the 2013 draft?

I want Te'o as well. But, don't fall in love with a player.

[NATI BENGALS]

Originally Posted by mulligan

WTS, if the Bengals can't get an extension done with Andre Smith, it seems that Andre would be the most obvious targeted player to be tagged.

Especially given the fraility and current status of the Bengals defense.

Thomas Howard is on IR. Great player and probably could be re-signed relatively cheaply.

Maualuga isn't worth a franchise tag. Lawson is completely not worth a franchise tag.

I can't think of another offensive or defensive player worth the franchise tag. Can anyone?

Yea.

Michael Johnson. He and Geathers are both free agents. That would leave us with Dunlap and Anderson as our only DEs.

At least we have Collins if Andre were to leave and Wharton has played some tackle in the NFL as well.

I'm hoping we don't have to use the franchise tag and we lock MJ and Andre up before the end of the year. But if it came down to it, I would tag MJ over Andre. It is easier to find a RT than a 4-3 DE.

[Lolli]

Originally Posted by mulligan

Oh, good grief. Is Te'o going to be the David God-castro of the 2013 draft?

I want Te'o as well. But, don't fall in love with a player.

We need leaders at MLB and at Safety. There are other choices, but Te'o is the obvious (and hopefully safe) one.

[Hammerstripes]

Originally Posted by mulligan

I am going out on a limb and saying that the franchise tag for a LT & RT are differentiated.

The wikipedia page lumps all olinemen together (LT, RT, Gs, & C's).

It is a gut feeling. But I gotta think that LT & RT are considered different.

Actually from the looks of it, ALL lineman are considered equal.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...-board-in-2012

[OchoCincos]

Originally Posted by crazyjdawg

If Manti Te'o is there when we pick, and we don't take him. I will be furious.

Definitely agree. Maualuga is in his final year of his contract, and has yet to justify receiving a new contract for a starting MLB. Burfict is waiting in the wings, but Te'o is rated as one of the best MLBs to come out in awhile. A true complete MLB that is a proven leader at ND. If Burfict were to become our MLB, he would have to really outperform Te'o.

Also, even if we didn't re-sign Andre Smith, I think at least some of us would like to see Anthony Collins finally get a shot at starting RT. I'm not too worried about the starting RT position (unless we happen to lose both Smith and Collins).

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by Hammerstripes

Actually from the looks of it, ALL lineman are considered equal.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...-board-in-2012

That is crazy! Or off?

A center is considered the same as a left tackle?

How do they differentiate a defensive tackle from a defensive end? Without differentiating a center from a left tackle?

I am still not convinced.

[Hammerstripes]

Originally Posted by mulligan

That is crazy! Or off?

A center is considered the same as a left tackle?

How do they differentiate a defensive tackle from a defensive end? Without differentiating a center from a left tackle?

I am still not convinced.

That's why you rarely see an OG or C franchised, it costs the same as a LT.

[NATI BENGALS]

Originally Posted by mulligan

That is crazy! Or off?

A center is considered the same as a left tackle?

How do they differentiate a defensive tackle from a defensive end? Without differentiating a center from a left tackle?

I am still not convinced.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...franchise-tag/

"Schefter estimates the cost of the tag for offensive linemen should be around $10.1 million"

I never realized it was like that. Seems pretty stupid because it is obvious OL positions hold different value in the eyes of NFL front offices