Burma's Mock vs 2

[Burma]

Alright, we are 4 weeks into the season. College and pro are humming along nicely and the omens are starting to line up. This is my second official mock (official to me at least). A few words on what influenced my decisions. I think we finish 7-9/8-8 and are picking around 15-18. Te’o, Jones, and Montgomery are off the board at this point. The Raiders pick in the 2nd is 3rd pick.

1. Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama
2. Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia
2b. Robert Lester, S, Alabama
3. Joseph Randle, RB, Oklahoma State
4. Brandon Jenkins, DE/OLB, Florida State
5. Tyrann Mathieu, CB/S, LSU
6. Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU
6b. LaAdrian Waddle, OT, Texas Tech

I tried to balance need with BPA. Safety in this draft is very deep and I felt that Lester in the 2nd offered as much as Reid in the first. All the tier 1 DE (Mingo, Montgomery, and Werner) are gone before our 1st pick. The Tier 1 LB, Te’o and Jones are gone as well. This leaves CB as the best mix of BPA and need at 1.

The 2nd Tier DE are gone before our 2nd round picks we need LB help and Ogletree would be the 3rd best LB in this draft behind Te’o and Jones he is better than any of the 3rd tier DE at this point.

Lester is BPA and need at this point as well.

I took a gamble on Tyrann in the 5th. I think he does end up coming out and his mixed bag of screw ups and undetermined position allow him to drop to us in 5.

[NATI BENGALS]

7-9 or 8-8????? Na man.

I not big on a first round CB right now. If the intent was to play him at S some, then maybe. I'm hoping there won't be much playing time available after Hall, Kirkpatrick, Pickman, and Allen get their snaps next year.

[Burma]

Originally Posted by NATI BENGALS

7-9 or 8-8????? Na man.

I not big on a first round CB right now. If the intent was to play him at S some, then maybe. I'm hoping there won't be much playing time available after Hall, Kirkpatrick, Pickman, and Allen get their snaps next year.

the 2nd half of the schedule gets fairly rough. I think 8-8 would be a reasonable record.

CB is 4th on my need list right now, however I think when our first rolls around that BPA and need will meet in a CB. I dont think we reach for a tier 2 LB or DE at this point and I dont think we look seriously at safety until round 2 this year given its tremendous depth.

[Carolinabengalfanguy]

Not my favorite but I like Lester, Ogletree, Mathieu, Randle, and Jenkins.

I think the dislike of CB1 puts it down the most.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by Burma

the 2nd half of the schedule gets fairly rough. I think 8-8 would be a reasonable record.

CB is 4th on my need list right now, however I think when our first rolls around that BPA and need will meet in a CB. I dont think we reach for a tier 2 LB or DE at this point and I dont think we look seriously at safety until round 2 this year given its tremendous depth.

4th seems a bit high for a CB need.

1. MIKE (not Rey). I like Burfict, but I am uncertain as to build a LB corp around him.

2. SS (upgrade Crocker). Enough said.

3. DE (upgrade Geathers & Gilberry)

4. SAM. Again, I am uncertain to build a LB corp around Burfict. Hopefully, the Bengals can re-sign a healthy Howard at WILL. WTS, our LB corp is in shambles and practically every LB is a free agent next year.

5. WR2 - This may alarm some, but I can see the Bengals struggling again when Green gets double-covered. Yes, Hawkins is excellent in the slot. Yes, Gresham caught everything thrown his way against the Jags. But I don't feel that a clear WR2 has emerged as of yet. In my opinion, upgrading WR2 would improve our offense more than a RB1.

6. RB1. RBBC approach. League is moving away from feature-backs. 3rd round or 4th round RB would be sufficient.

7. CB? With Hall/Pacman (extended)/Dre Kirk/Allen, the Bengals need a CB5. The scuttle-butt was that Ghee was having a solid pre-season. If he can return to form in 2013, then the Bengals need a CB6. And I would rather have a veteran CB backup then a rookie. (FA, perhaps?)

[mulligan]

Who is 4. Brandon Jenkins, DE/OLB, Florida State?

He isn't on CBS Sports. He isn't on Walter Football.

I haven't seen him on any mocks.

[Burma]

Originally Posted by mulligan

4th seems a bit high for a CB need.

7. CB? With Hall/Pacman (extended)/Dre Kirk/Allen, the Bengals need a CB5. The scuttle-butt was that Ghee was having a solid pre-season. If he can return to form in 2013, then the Bengals need a CB6. And I would rather have a veteran CB backup then a rookie. (FA, perhaps?)

I am much less confident in our CB situation than you are, Hall is coming off a serious injury and apparently is not fully recovered yet. Allen has been consistently out of action and is only on a 2 year deal. Clemens and Newman are watching the sun set on their careers. Jones is 1 punt return away from IR and has struggled at times in coverage. Not to mention that all 3: Newman, Clemens, and Jones are free agents at the end of this year. Our CB is far from certain and really is as bad as LB right now.

Originally Posted by mulligan

Who is 4. Brandon Jenkins, DE/OLB, Florida State?

He isn't on CBS Sports. He isn't on Walter Football.


I haven't seen him on any mocks.

Injured to start the season. Most pundits seem to think he returns to school to boost his stock back up to 1st round. i think he gets greedy now.

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingre...13bjenkins.php

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by Burma

I am much less confident in our CB situation than you are, Hall is coming off a serious injury and apparently is not fully recovered yet. Allen has been consistently out of action and is only on a 2 year deal. Clemens and Newman are watching the sun set on their careers. Jones is 1 punt return away from IR and has struggled at times in coverage. Not to mention that all 3: Newman, Clemens, and Jones are free agents at the end of this year. Our CB is far from certain and really is as bad as LB right now.

Again, your "interpretation" of the CB situation is off. In fact, when you equate our CB corp to our LB corp, you are undermeaning all of your arguments.

All 3 starting LBs are free agents next year. (Maualuga/Howard/Lawson). Plus, Skuta, Vincent Rey, & Muck. Hall, Dre Kirk, Allen, Prater are signed at least thru 2013. Advantage CBs.

Maualuga is GROSSLY underperforming. Basically, he is the worst starter on the team. Hall is no where near the worst performer. Howard is on the IR. Dre Kirk is nicked up and the Bengals are deliberately going slow with him to ensure Dre Kirk's ability to play later in the season and (hopefully) his career. Jason Allen was SOLID last year on the Texans. He will heal. Pacman has played well.

Hall's weekly nicks are not related to his achilles. Yes, of course, Hall's achilles & confidence will continue to improve over time. But, Hall is doing well.

Throw in a 2012 1st round pick (Dre Kirk). The LBs have 2UDFAs in the hopper (Lemur & Joiner)

By year's end, Clements will be pretty much a slot CB/safety, especially when Hall/Pacman/Allen/Dre Kirk are healthy again.

LB is a train wreck. CB has a solid foundation. These two position groups are not comparable.

[Lolli]

Originally Posted by mulligan

Who is 4. Brandon Jenkins, DE/OLB, Florida State?

He isn't on CBS Sports. He isn't on Walter Football.

I haven't seen him on any mocks.

He is out for the year with a foot issue. He is one of those coulda woulda shoulda been a 1st rounder guys. Now, who knows?

ESPN has him ranked in the 3rd.

[Burma]

Originally Posted by mulligan

Again, your "interpretation" of the CB situation is off. In fact, when you equate our CB corp to our LB corp, you are undermeaning all of your arguments. .

Not in the slightest.

All 3 starting LBs are free agents next year. (Maualuga/Howard/Lawson). Plus, Skuta, Vincent Rey, & Muck. Hall, Dre Kirk, Allen, Prater are signed at least thru 2013. Advantage CBs.

Maualuga is GROSSLY underperforming. Basically, he is the worst starter on the team. Hall is no where near the worst performer. Howard is on the IR. Dre Kirk is nicked up and the Bengals are deliberately going slow with him to ensure Dre Kirk's ability to play later in the season and (hopefully) his career. Jason Allen was SOLID last year on the Texans. He will heal. Pacman has played well.

We most likely have 2 of the 3 Starting LBs being re-signed, of which Howard is one. We have 3 solid back ups.

At CB we have Hall, Dre, and a free agent to be in Allen and a practice squad player in Prater who is currently on IR. Jones is a free agent who has given us some spot starts and good returns. I think He is going to want to go somewhere else to earn his last big starter contract before he is too old.

I would call that a push at best.

LB is a train wreck. CB has a solid foundation. These two position groups are not comparable.

Hall, Allen, Prater and Dre; 1 returning starter and 3 guys who have yet to play. 4 injury histories. 1 back up. maybe 1 free agent re-singed.

Burfict, Skuta, Muck, Rey, Moch; 1 returning starter 3 experienced back ups and most likely maybe 2 free agents re-signed.

I think that's pretty comparable, but we may just have to agree to disagree.

[Jasonew6]

I don't think Mathieu comes out, and if he does I'm not convinced he will last that long.

Other than that I like it. Although I would go OLB over ILB.

[Burma]

Originally Posted by Jasonew6

I don't think Mathieu comes out, and if he does I'm not convinced he will last that long.

Other than that I like it. Although I would go OLB over ILB.

I went back and forth on CJ Mosely and Ogletree. Ogletree won out as he's a natural MLB who has the athleticism to play SAM if needed. Mosely seemed to be a natural OLB playing ILB. Ogletree is Burfict insurance.

I think your probably right about Tyrann. His name alone may get him into the late 2nd early third.

[NATI BENGALS]

Originally Posted by Burma

Not in the slightest.



We most likely have 2 of the 3 Starting LBs being re-signed, of which Howard is one. We have 3 solid back ups.

At CB we have Hall, Dre, and a free agent to be in Allen and a practice squad player in Prater who is currently on IR. Jones is a free agent who has given us some spot starts and good returns. I think He is going to want to go somewhere else to earn his last big starter contract before he is too old.

I would call that a push at best.



Hall, Allen, Prater and Dre; 1 returning starter and 3 guys who have yet to play. 4 injury histories. 1 back up. maybe 1 free agent re-singed.

Burfict, Skuta, Muck, Rey, Moch; 1 returning starter 3 experienced back ups and most likely maybe 2 free agents re-signed.

I think that's pretty comparable, but we may just have to agree to disagree.

Pretty sure Skuta is a free agent after this year.

[Carolinabengalfanguy]

Originally Posted by Burma

I went back and forth on CJ Mosely and Ogletree. Ogletree won out as he's a natural MLB who has the athleticism to play SAM if needed. Mosely seemed to be a natural OLB playing ILB. Ogletree is Burfict insurance.

I think your probably right about Tyrann. His name alone may get him into the late 2nd early third.

I don't exactly understand the terms MIKE and SAM weak side and strong side it's always been OLB lol, but Ogletree is a converted safety so I bet he could play on the outside similar to another ex-Georgia safety Thomas Davis.

I highly doubt he'd go as high as that. I could see the 4th round at this point. If he had been able to leave for the draft last year he would have been at best a second round pick. He's just way limited by his size and he's not as good of a cornerback as a lot of people think he is. Why do I want him on the team? We can develop him into a playmaking nickel or bench CB while he makes a big impact on special teams returns. Adam Jones is our best returner, but he's either been hurt or starting to get much done in that department. Plus he's about to hit 30. If Mathieu comes out this draft he'll go in the 4th-6th range and he's going to need time to get back into the game. I think it's highly likely that he goes back to LSU for next season to try to get back at that 2nd-4th range stock he would have had in last years draft. And as long as he doesn't get into trouble LSU will take him back as a kid who screwed up and did everything right he needed to do to get back on the team.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by Burma

Not in the slightest.



We most likely have 2 of the 3 Starting LBs being re-signed, of which Howard is one. We have 3 solid back ups.

At CB we have Hall, Dre, and a free agent to be in Allen and a practice squad player in Prater who is currently on IR. Jones is a free agent who has given us some spot starts and good returns. I think He is going to want to go somewhere else to earn his last big starter contract before he is too old.

I would call that a push at best.



Hall, Allen, Prater and Dre; 1 returning starter and 3 guys who have yet to play. 4 injury histories. 1 back up. maybe 1 free agent re-singed.

Burfict, Skuta, Muck, Rey, Moch; 1 returning starter 3 experienced back ups and most likely maybe 2 free agents re-signed.

I think that's pretty comparable, but we may just have to agree to disagree.

"Most likely" is not definite. All the backup LBs are free agents (Skuta, Vincent Rey, & Muckelroy)

Jason Allen signed a 2 year deal. He is a Bengal in 2013. Along with Leon Hall, Dre Kirkpatrick.

So, the Bengals CB corp has Hall/Dre Kirk/Allen already returning in 2013.

When Pacman signs an extension, then the Bengals will have Hall/Pacman/Dre Kirk/Allen as their four CBs. 3 existing CBs & 1 presumptive re-signing.

The 2013 free agent LBs are Howard, Lawson, Maualuga, Skuta, Muckelroy, & Vincent Rey. The only LBs under contract for 2013 is Burfict. Howard's ability to heal is an unknown. The Bengals desire to extend Maualuga is unknown. And the Bengals attempted to upgrade Lawson last year before signing Lawson to another 1 year deal.

1 rookie LB under contract for 2013 (Burfict)
verses
3 veteran CBs under contract for 2013 (Hall, Dre Kirk, Allen)

NOT COMPARABLE.

Are you counting Jason Allen's current struggles with injury as his "injury history"? And Dre Kirk's as well? This is a huge stretch.

[Burma]

Originally Posted by mulligan

"Most likely" is not definite. ......
When Pacman signs an extension,

"If" pac man re-signs. I think he goes somewhere else where he can earn starter money.

Originally Posted by mulligan

The 2013 free agent LBs are Howard, Lawson, Maualuga, Skuta, Muckelroy, & Vincent Rey. The only LBs under contract for 2013 is Burfict. Howard's ability to heal is an unknown. The Bengals desire to extend Maualuga is unknown. And the Bengals attempted to upgrade Lawson last year before signing Lawson to another 1 year deal.

I still think we resigned Howard and at least 1 of the other guys (Rey, or Lawson)

Wehave Muck through 2014 according to this spotrac place. Not sure if that is prior to his being cut or reflecting the deal that we signed when we resigned him.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/

Originally Posted by mulligan

1 rookie LB under contract for 2013 (Burfict)
verses
3 veteran CBs under contract for 2013 (Hall, Dre Kirk, Allen)

NOT COMPARABLE.

Ok. Fair enough.

Originally Posted by mulligan

Are you counting Jason Allen's current struggles with injury as his "injury history"? And Dre Kirk's as well? This is a huge stretch.

Well, since Allen has missed all but 1 game so far I am counting that as injury history, yes. Since he's been injured and all . Same thing for Dre.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by Burma

"If" pac man re-signs. I think he goes somewhere else where he can earn starter money.





I still think we resigned Howard and at least 1 of the other guys (Rey, or Lawson)

Wehave Muck through 2014 according to this spotrac place. Not sure if that is prior to his being cut or reflecting the deal that we signed when we resigned him.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/



Ok. Fair enough.



Well, since Allen has missed all but 1 game so far I am counting that as injury history, yes. Since he's been injured and all . Same thing for Dre.

Muckelroy's rookie contract was voided when the Bengals cut him. He would have signed a 1 year deal when he was brought back.

ONE injury doesn't make a "history of injury." WTS, Dre Kirk is being treated with "kid gloves" because the Bengals don't want to jeopardize their "investment" in him. I wouldn't qualify Dre Kirk as "having an injury history."

Same goes with Jason Allen.

I don't think that Maualuga wants to be a Bengal next year. Just conjecture. No fire in his belly. And the Bengals didn't want Lawson to return and begrudgingly re-signed him after failing to recruit Kamerion Wimbley. The Bengals will press for Howard, absolutely. When Howard returns at WILL, Burfict will need to go somewhere and will probably land at SAM. Te'o has to be the targeted MIKE.

As for Pacman, I just feel that he will re-sign. MB, ML, & MZ have done so much to re-vitalize Pacman's career. (Even with his recent smaller indiscretions.) I could easily see Pacman getting on the field with every 3 WR set (which is practically 50% of the snaps). Or if Dre Kirk doesn't rock, then Pacman being the CB2 and Kirk being CB3. Unlikely, but possible.

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by mulligan

I could easily see Pacman getting on the field with every 3 WR set (which is practically 50% of the snaps).

Doesn't this increase the need for a CB if you're taking one of your LBers off the field 50% of the time?

[NATI BENGALS]

Originally Posted by mulligan

Muckelroy's rookie contract was voided when the Bengals cut him. He would have signed a 1 year deal when he was brought back.

ONE injury doesn't make a "history of injury." WTS, Dre Kirk is being treated with "kid gloves" because the Bengals don't want to jeopardize their "investment" in him. I wouldn't qualify Dre Kirk as "having an injury history."

Same goes with Jason Allen.

I don't think that Maualuga wants to be a Bengal next year. Just conjecture. No fire in his belly. And the Bengals didn't want Lawson to return and begrudgingly re-signed him after failing to recruit Kamerion Wimbley. The Bengals will press for Howard, absolutely. When Howard returns at WILL, Burfict will need to go somewhere and will probably land at SAM. Te'o has to be the targeted MIKE.

As for Pacman, I just feel that he will re-sign. MB, ML, & MZ have done so much to re-vitalize Pacman's career. (Even with his recent smaller indiscretions.) I could easily see Pacman getting on the field with every 3 WR set (which is practically 50% of the snaps). Or if Dre Kirk doesn't rock, then Pacman being the CB2 and Kirk being CB3. Unlikely, but possible.

I think Muck signed a 2 year contract when he was resigned. Even if he didn't he hasn't accrued 4 years of NFL experience so he would be a restricted free agent. Vincent Rey will be a restricted free agent too. More often than not we keep our restricted free agents.

4 LBs are set to be back next year. Burfict, Muck, Rey, and Moch (who could end up being a DE). It is definitely not as dismal as the 1 you say is coming back.

I could see Maualuga being brought back because I doubt he is expensive. But I could see him wanting a change of scenery too.

I still don't think Wimbley was being recruited as a LB. He has only played LB in a 3-4 since entering the NFL. And he is more of a pass rusher than anything. But maybe that is why he didn't sign with us because he wanted to play DE in a 4-3 like he currently does.

I don't think any other team in the NFL will touch Pickman. And I doubt he wants to leave.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by NATI BENGALS

I think Muck signed a 2 year contract when he was resigned. Even if he didn't he hasn't accrued 4 years of NFL experience so he would be a restricted free agent. Vincent Rey will be a restricted free agent too. More often than not we keep our restricted free agents.

4 LBs are set to be back next year. Burfict, Muck, Rey, and Moch (who could end up being a DE). It is definitely not as dismal as the 1 you say is coming back.

I could see Maualuga being brought back because I doubt he is expensive. But I could see him wanting a change of scenery too.

I still don't think Wimbley was being recruited as a LB. He has only played LB in a 3-4 since entering the NFL. And he is more of a pass rusher than anything. But maybe that is why he didn't sign with us because he wanted to play DE in a 4-3 like he currently does.

I don't think any other team in the NFL will touch Pickman. And I doubt he wants to leave.

I think that we are closer to being on the same page now.

I was wrong about Muck; you were right. He did sign a 2 year deal. http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/...rick-muckelroy

And Vincent Rey will also be designated as a RFA as well.

As for Burfict, Moch, Vincent Rey, and Moch, arguably only ONE of these players (Burfict) is a starter. Muck has potential (which I like). Moch will probably be used at DE (270 lbs). Vincent Rey is just not good at WILL.

Side to side: Hall (1st rounder)/Dre Kirk (1st rounder)/Allen (1st rounder)/Prater (5th rounder) is a better group than Burfict/Muck/Moch/Vincent Rey.

As for Maualuga, IMO, though an inexpensive liability is better than an expensive liability (Rey isn't expensive now), I just feel that Maualuga's gross inconsistancies don't warrant a starting MIKE role in 2013. I doubt Maualuga would accept a back up role, and if Te'o is available, I have to believe that the Bengals will draft him.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by Wingnut

Doesn't this increase the need for a CB if you're taking one of your LBers off the field 50% of the time?

Hall/Dre Kirk/Pacman/Allen. With the re-signing of Pacman, the Bengals will have 4 established CBs.

IMO, removing a LB in the nickle necessitates having more talented pass-coverage LBs. Burfict, Skuta, & Maualuga are poor pass-coverage LBs.

Hence, draft a better LB not a CB.

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by mulligan

Hall/Dre Kirk/Pacman/Allen. With the re-signing of Pacman, the Bengals will have 4 established CBs.

IMO, removing a LB in the nickle necessitates having more talented pass-coverage LBs. Burfict, Skuta, & Maualuga are poor pass-coverage LBs.

Hence, draft a better LB not a CB.

Hall has a 1 in 5 chance of re-rupturing his Achilles.

Allen will be 35 at the start of next season.

There is no guarantee Pacman will re-sign.

When did Kirkpatrick become "established"?

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by Wingnut

Hall has a 1 in 5 chance of re-rupturing his Achilles.

Allen will be 35 at the start of next season.

There is no guarantee Pacman will re-sign.

When did Kirkpatrick become "established"?

Jason Allen WON'T be 35 at the start of the next season.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_A...rican_football)

There is no guarantee that Pacman will re-sign.

Kirkpatrick will get snaps and will be productive. Ignoring a 1st round pick when planing the future of the Bengals is a silly, silly thing to do. Dre Kirkpatrick established himself at Alabama enough to warrant a 1st round pick. If the Bengals have confidence in him, then I think that he can be a contributor.

Hall will be fine. I am not too concerned about a 20% chance of re-rupturing his achilles. If the Bengals started marginalizing all of their players with past history, the Bengals would lose a significant part of the team.

Again, Hall/Dre Kirk/Allen are a solid trio. Re-sign Pacman, and that is a solid, solid quarter. Hall/Pacman/Dre/Allen.

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by Wingnut

Hall has a 1 in 5 chance of re-rupturing his Achilles.

Allen will be 35 at the start of next season.

There is no guarantee Pacman will re-sign.

When did Kirkpatrick become "established"?

As viewing your points from the LB corp, all of the starters (Maualuga, Howard, & Lawson) are all free agents. Dan Skuta is also a free agent. There is no guarantee that they will re-sign.

Moch seems to be bulked up to be more of a DE than a SAM.

Vincent Rey isn't "established" and his playing time has been diminished for the most part each week (0%, 67%, 55%, 3%, 5%)

Muckelroy ruptured his achilles. There is a 1 in 5 chance of re-rupturing.

Given your criterion, it seems to me that the clear priority between LB & CB would be linebacker.

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by mulligan

Jason Allen WON'T be 35 at the start of the next season.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_A...ican_football)

You're correct. I confused him with Newman who has actually played this season instead of being inactive all year.

There is no guarantee that Pacman will re-sign.

So we are agree.

Kirkpatrick will get snaps and will be productive. Ignoring a 1st round pick when planing the future of the Bengals is a silly, silly thing to do. Dre Kirkpatrick established himself at Alabama enough to warrant a 1st round pick. If the Bengals have confidence in him, then I think that he can be a contributor.

I'm not ignoring Kirkpatrick by asking you when did a player who has never played a down in the NFL become established. Jason Allen established himself at Tennessee enough to warrant Nick Saban drafting him in the first round. Yet, Jason Allen has established himself as a career back up while in the NFL.

Hall will be fine. I am not too concerned about a 20% chance of re-rupturing his achilles. If the Bengals started marginalizing all of their players with past history, the Bengals would lose a significant part of the team.

You mean marginalizing players like Jonathan Joseph like you have?

Again, Hall/Dre Kirk/Allen are a solid trio. Re-sign Pacman, and that is a solid, solid quarter. Hall/Pacman/Dre/Allen.

Hall has a more significant injury than Joseph who you marginalized for his injury history.

Kirkpatrick has yet to play a down in the NFL.

Allen is a career back up and has been inactive every week.

Adam Jones is a free agent. Don't you keep complaining about all the FA LBers? Why are you worried about the Bengals re-signing the LBers, but not Adam Jones?

Adam Jones has missed 19 games in 2 seasons while Joseph missed 13 games in 5 seasons. Adam Jones has chronic neck issues. So why is it you were worried about Joseph's injuries more than you are Jones' injury?

Originally Posted by mulligan

As viewing your points from the LB corp, all of the starters (Maualuga, Howard, & Lawson) are all free agents. Dan Skuta is also a free agent. There is no guarantee that they will re-sign.

Just like Adam Jones. So why are you worried about the LBer FAs, but it is a foregone conclusion Jones (with his history of neck injuries and suspensions) will re-sign?

Moch seems to be bulked up to be more of a DE than a SAM.

I agree.

Vincent Rey isn't "established" and his playing time has been diminished for the most part each week (0%, 67%, 55%, 3%, 5%)

Vincent Rey is a back up who is easily replaced with a late round draft pick or undrafted college free agent. BFD.

Muckelroy ruptured his achilles. There is a 1 in 5 chance of re-rupturing.

At least you've learned something. Muckelroy is last on the LBer depth chart. He has already been cut once this year. If he re-ruptures his Achilles, there are at least 20 players on the other end of a phone call who can warm the bench as well as him right now. Again, BFD. I'm not worried about a LBer who is at least 7th on the depth chart at his position. If the 7th LBer goes down with a Achilles injury it would have little to no effect on the defense. If the number one CB goes down with a re-rupture of an Achilles his career is over and it would have a significant impact on the defense and the organization. Can you replace a #1 CB as easily as you can a #7 LBer? Absolutely not. The comparison is ridiculous.

Given your criterion, it seems to me that the clear priority between LB & CB would be linebacker.

Dude, he selected the #2 rated MLB in round two. So he addressed the LBer position with a highly rated player with a high draft. What are you whining about?

Hall, Kirkpatrick, and Milliner.

Burfict, Ogletree, and Howard.

What is it you don't like about that? Seriously?

According to you, the nickelback would be on the field 50% of the time. So Milliner would be on the field 50% of the time in passing situations and Burfict would be on the field 50% of the time in running situations.

What is it about that which has your panties in such a bunch?