Ellis on Notice?

[THE PISTONS]

Originally Posted by BigPapaKain

I said it after he fumbled the first time - he gets run too much. He's money in short yardage and in games where he touches the ball 10 or less times. You start giving him the ball like he's AP or MJD, he's going to fumble. He's never been a feature back - he's not going to change now.

I blame the coaches for not actually committing to the committee scheme.

I'm sure a decent percentage of that is Scott's injury. Had he been healthy, they probably split carries 50/50.

[BigPapaKain]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

I'm sure a decent percentage of that is Scott's injury. Had he been healthy, they probably split carries 50/50.

Even 50/50 isn't a good idea. They could've been using Leonard and Peerman.

[XenoMorph]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

I'm sure a decent percentage of that is Scott's injury. Had he been healthy, they probably split carries 50/50.

like someone else said..

We have 2 other Running backs that could have filled in for Scott infact the one time they used leonard for like 3 snaps in a row it was at least 2 first downs in a row.

[THE PISTONS]

Originally Posted by BengalsFan024

like someone else said..

We have 2 other Running backs that could have filled in for Scott infact the one time they used leonard for like 3 snaps in a row it was at least 2 first downs in a row.

Leonard is the guy I would use more. Why only use him on 3rd Down? Those little gadget plays work on other downs too.

I think it was near Leonard's rookie season for the Rams, but their starter got hurt and he filled in pretty well. I thought he'd get carries somewhere.

Peerman? I like him and he hustles, but he'll probably be nothing more than a special teamer.

[XenoMorph]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

Leonard is the guy I would use more. Why only use him on 3rd Down? Those little gadget plays work on other downs too.

I think it was near Leonard's rookie season for the Rams, but their starter got hurt and he filled in pretty well. I thought he'd get carries somewhere.

Peerman? I like him and he hustles, but he'll probably be nothing more than a special teamer.

Remember the goal line play last year where andy was flanked by.. Brian Leonard and Benard Scott... well it equaled TD

we have gotten very creative in the pass game.

Even the reverses and end around have come at good times time to get all these running backs involved.

[TD-88]

Everyone is on notice. You turn the ball over consistently enough that is. If he starts fumbling like he has baby oil oozing from his pores then he'll be riding that pine.

[SunsetBengal]

Green-Ellis will be fine, just needs to get his head right....if the liberal media will let him.

[TGISunday]

Originally Posted by SunsetBengal

Green-Ellis will be fine, just needs to get his head right....if the liberal media will let him.

I lol'd

[Bengalzona]

The articles are just stating the obvious: If a running back keeps fumbling in the NFL, he's not going to be the starter for long. Everyone knows this fact.

[Shake n Blake]

Originally Posted by SunsetBengal

Green-Ellis will be fine, just needs to get his head right....if the liberal media will let him.

Word. Yahoo news tryin to keep a brother down.

[Derrick]

Originally Posted by Shake n Blake

My only gripe with the offense this year is that we aren't using Leonard/Peerman more. If those guys aren't good enough to use, then they shouldn't even be on the roster. Most teams have at least 3 RBs that can take some carries. If Leonard and Peerman can't be used to spell Law Firm, then maybe we should pick up someone who can. Law Firm shouldn't have to take 26 carries.

I agree and have said so.

[SunsetBengal]

Originally Posted by Shake n Blake

Word. Yahoo news tryin to keep a brother down.

Hey, did ya notice that B. Scott was back to full-practice today? Having a home run threat like him back in action will certainly take some of the pressure off of Green-Ellis, as long as they don't ask him to run between the tackles, anyway.


Good grief! We need a real, hard running, all-purpose back around here...

[BengalzHacker]

You know, I was never much of a ball carrier when I played ball, I was an OT - LOL, but I've actually heard that it's possible to grip the ball too tightly and that when a player does that, it actually becomes easier to "pop" the ball free. Now, as I said, this is not from personal experience, but what I remember a RB and coach talking about once during practice.

From what the coach was saying, if you grip the ball too tightly, you remove the elasticity from it so when a defender strikes the ball, it "pops" like a stretched rubber band instead of absorbing the shock of the blow.

Does anyone with real world experience know anything about this?

[Shake n Blake]

Originally Posted by SunsetBengal

Hey, did ya notice that B. Scott was back to full-practice today? Having a home run threat like him back in action will certainly take some of the pressure off of Green-Ellis, as long as they don't ask him to run between the tackles, anyway.


Good grief! We need a real, hard running, all-purpose back around here...

Scott practiced in full today? That probably means he'll be doubtful for the game. No way he made it through a full practice unscathed.

I feel ya bro. We definitely need to take a back next year. Preferably in rounds 2-4. I'm tired of these late round guys like Scott and Herron.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by jj22

http://www.bengals.com/news/article-...0-6415db834b2a

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2...nclick_check=1

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...stop-fumbling/

While his fumbling does/has come as a shock, are the coaching staff really turning on him so quick? We've put up with a lot worse from Ced for 4 years. I think he's a good back maybe not a feature back but he wasn't suppose to be. Hopefully the coaching staff doesn't turn on him after only the 4th game of the season. Seems pretty cold. I appreciate accountability (and we've won which probably covers up fumbling concerns from us fans), but BJGE is a professional and we shouldn't put stuff out to the media like this. No need for the negativity. You know the press will run with it. Keep it in house. I think he'll be fine.

Where do you see the coaching staff turning on him? The only real statement made was made by Ellis himself when he stated his ball security has not been good.

Actually, it is a non story if you ask me. I do not see it as a concern and believe Ellis will be fine.

[momadance02]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

Where do you see the coaching staff turning on him? The only real statement made was made by Ellis himself when he stated his ball security has not been good.

Actually, it is a non story if you ask me. I do not see it as a concern and believe Ellis will be fine.

This.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by SunsetBengal

Hey, did ya notice that B. Scott was back to full-practice today? Having a home run threat like him back in action will certainly take some of the pressure off of Green-Ellis, as long as they don't ask him to run between the tackles, anyway.


Good grief! We need a real, hard running, all-purpose back around here...

Scott has no problem running between the tackles. You are getting rather cynical in your old age.

[SunsetBengal]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

Scott has no problem running between the tackles. You are getting rather cynical in your old age.

I know, man. It's nothing personal agains the team, or any individual player. Its just frustrating to watch the team struggle to run the ball consistently. It seems that anytime the running game has a decent play, it was by accident, or there was a breakdown on the defense, as opposed to our offense simply lining up and taking 4 yards.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by SunsetBengal

I know, man. It's nothing personal agains the team, or any individual player. Its just frustrating to watch the team struggle to run the ball consistently. It seems that anytime the running game has a decent play, it was by accident, or there was a breakdown on the defense, as opposed to our offense simply lining up and taking 4 yards.

We have not been at full strength at RB since the season started. Yet over the last three games we are averaging 38 points a game. That is a great position to be in. Scott will get healthy and contrary to popular belief he will help this team.

Just think this team has yet to play it's best football. Really have not even been close to their best.

[BengalzHacker]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

We have not been at full strength at RB since the season started. Yet over the last three games we are averaging 38 points a game. That is a great position to be in. Scott will get healthy and contrary to popular belief he will help this team.

Just think this team has yet to play it's best football. Really have not even been close to their best.

This is the truth and one of the greatest things aout this team this season, because you get the feeling things are starting to click and we will improve dramatically by seasons end.

[SunsetBengal]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

We have not been at full strength at RB since the season started. Yet over the last three games we are averaging 38 points a game. That is a great position to be in. Scott will get healthy and contrary to popular belief he will help this team.

Just think this team has yet to play it's best football. Really have not even been close to their best.

This team will need every ounce of focus that it can muster, down the back half of the season. That second half schedule is brutal, and the main reason that I am so concerned about the inability to assert themselves consistently running the ball. Sooner or later, a team with a good pass rush, and a solid secondary, will force the Bengals to have to run the ball. It would be nice to feel like they could, if they really wanted to.

[HellMarine]

The fumbling is a concern, but we're all finding out that Ellis isn't a feature back. Even though Scott may not be anything special, the rotation will really help Ellis. He's been pitiful running the ball so far into the year, it started off good and has took a nose dive since then.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by HellMarine

The fumbling is a concern, but we're all finding out that Ellis isn't a feature back. Even though Scott may not be anything special, the rotation will really help Ellis. He's been pitiful running the ball so far into the year, it started off good and has took a nose dive since then.

1) Sorry but the fumbles really are not a concern. If he ends up with three fumbles for his entire career then would you still stand behind your statement?

2) You may not think he is a feature back. Please do not speak for all of us. He has shown me nothing that would make me believe he could not carry the load for a team if he was needed to.

3) His running has not been pitiful. Really not even remotely close. We have faced two teams in a row that for whatever reason have sold out to stop the run. Despite this he was still been able to gain positive yardage virtually every time he touches the ball. He rarely takes negative yards and is always falling forward for additional yards.

4) You are right that Scott will help but that takes nothing away from Ellis. Fresh legs are always a positive.

[HellMarine]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

1) Sorry but the fumbles really are not a concern. If he ends up with three fumbles for his entire career then would you still stand behind your statement?

2) You may not think he is a feature back. Please do not speak for all of us. He has shown me nothing that would make me believe he could not carry the load for a team if he was needed to.

3) His running has not been pitiful. Really not even remotely close. We have faced two teams in a row that for whatever reason have sold out to stop the run. Despite this he was still been able to gain positive yardage virtually every time he touches the ball. He rarely takes negative yards and is always falling forward for additional yards.

4) You are right that Scott will help but that takes nothing away from Ellis. Fresh legs are always a positive.

1. No, but that isn't the case it? He's fumbled three times in two games. That's a concern until he fixes it again.

2. He's not shown anything to make me believe he is a feature back. Probably shouldn't have spoke for anybody, but when need be, Andy has carried the team this year, not him.

3. It's been bad. He hasn't had much help, the line hasn't been run blocking well, but Ellis hasn't help them at all. He's missed cutback lanes for extra yardage and hasn't been impressive at all, his games against Washington and Jacksonville were just plain bad, and he didn't do much against Cleveland either. He wasn't impressive last year in NE, and he hasn't been here thus far either.

4. That's what I was getting at. Ellis needs it, he's obviously not doing so well being the main guy IE feature back.

[Shake n Blake]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

1) Sorry but the fumbles really are not a concern. If he ends up with three fumbles for his entire career then would you still stand behind your statement?

2) You may not think he is a feature back. Please do not speak for all of us. He has shown me nothing that would make me believe he could not carry the load for a team if he was needed to.

3) His running has not been pitiful. Really not even remotely close. We have faced two teams in a row that for whatever reason have sold out to stop the run. Despite this he was still been able to gain positive yardage virtually every time he touches the ball. He rarely takes negative yards and is always falling forward for additional yards.

Not to mention that PFF has been giving most of our players poor run blocking grades this season. Just ask Truck.