Andrew Hawkins

[09itsourtime]

I like Andrew Hawkins as much as the next guy but why the heck is andy throwing to him long with a DB who is 6 foot plus.? Sure he made that great long catch but seriously WTF. It didnt work in the first half, and ended the game in the second half.

[DWright]

Originally Posted by 09itsourtime

I like Andrew Hawkins as much as the next guy but why the heck is andy throwing to him long with a DB who is 6 foot plus.? Sure he made that great long catch but seriously WTF. It didnt work in the first half, and ended the game in the second half.

This is what happened the whole game. People can blame it on Andy all they want but he had to fit a ball over a 6+ foot DB to a 5'7 receiver. I love what Hawkins has been doing this season, but those throws should have been to Tate or Binns in the slot.

[Fresno Bengal]

Originally Posted by 09itsourtime

I like Andrew Hawkins as much as the next guy but why the heck is andy throwing to him long with a DB who is 6 foot plus.? Sure he made that great long catch but seriously WTF. It didnt work in the first half, and ended the game in the second half.

So Hawkins is the reason why the ball got intercepted?

[Juniversal]

Bad decision. Nothing more. Nothing less. A lot of those these games. Hence we lost...

[09itsourtime]

Originally Posted by Fresno Bengal

So Hawkins is the reason why the ball got intercepted?

Hawkins isnt THE reason.


Throwing the ball to hawkins is why the ball got intercepted.

[yellowxdiscipline]

That whole game was full of bad decisions.. Starting with Marvins uber conservative gameplan.. We didnt challenge them deep once... Even with their depleted secondary..

[BumpyTrumpy]

Dalton always throwing high is worrying me, even on short throws. I think we should do more stuff with Hawk out of the backfield or in motion etc.

[09itsourtime]

Originally Posted by BumpyTrumpy

Dalton always throwing high is worrying me, even on short throws. I think we should do more stuff with Hawk out of the backfield or in motion etc.

Agreed, he tends to overthrow gresham somehow as well.

[Fresno Bengal]

Originally Posted by 09itsourtime

Hawkins isnt THE reason.


Throwing the ball to hawkins is why the ball got intercepted.

Throwing the ball to Hawkins? That sounds absurd.
Bad throw by Dalton.

[Juniversal]

Originally Posted by yellowxdiscipline

That whole game was full of bad decisions.. Starting with Marvins uber conservative gameplan.. We didnt challenge them deep once... Even with their depleted secondary..

You people are on crack. We damn near threw it every down for the last two quarters. That's not a conservative game plan. lol the fact we couldn't get down field wasn't Marvins fault (also where's the accountability for Gruden??). That's on Andy or the receivers. When we did try to get it down field nobody was open or the passes were broken up.

[09itsourtime]

Originally Posted by Fresno Bengal

Throwing the ball to Hawkins? That sounds absurd.
Bad throw by Dalton.

Throw? As in singular?

They were all over him all day. Sure it was a bad throw TO HAWKINS. If AJ green was in the same spot he would have had a much better chance to catch it.

How do you not grip such a simple concept?

And it wasnt just THAT play. They tried to throw a long TD to him. And they threw multiple other long balls to him that made no sense. He isnt a long ball guy unless hes wide open, which he clearly wasnt most of the game.

[Steeler Eater]

Hawkins is a weapon that can only be utilized in certain positions. He can burn the secondary, but there are certain times when you look elsewhere. Either way the kid is fun to watch and will continue to cause all kinds of match-up problems during this season.

[Dabo614]

Originally Posted by 09itsourtime

I like Andrew Hawkins as much as the next guy but why the heck is andy throwing to him long with a DB who is 6 foot plus.? Sure he made that great long catch but seriously WTF. It didnt work in the first half, and ended the game in the second half.

i thought that was a terrible call,,,especially with the game on the line you dont throw deep to a 5 foot 7 WR,,,,they should have sent 2 deep,,,gresh medium range and hawkins either a screen or a quick slant type,,,stretch the field deep then give hawkins a short pass and let him do what he does best after that.

[Dabo614]

Originally Posted by Juniversal

You people are on crack. We damn near threw it every down for the last two quarters. That's not a conservative game plan. lol the fact we couldn't get down field wasn't Marvins fault (also where's the accountability for Gruden??). That's on Andy or the receivers. When we did try to get it down field nobody was open or the passes were broken up.

hmm lets see,,,poor running game vs leagues best run defense,,,down in the 2nd half,,i cant figure out why we threw it a bunch in the last half???

[TGISunday]

I guess we'll wait til tomorrow to see the targets Hawkins got vs. the catches, but let me tell you...there was a disparity. And I don't blame it on Hawkins. Just bad gameplanning/execution.

Gotta know when to throw to a 5'7" guy. Brees doesn't throw to Sproles with 2-3 taller defenders nearby, way downfield.

[Juniversal]

Originally Posted by Dabo614

hmm lets see,,,poor running game vs leagues best run defense,,,down in the 2nd half,,i cant figure out why we threw it a bunch in the last half???

We barely tried to run it in the first half. It was clear we didn't have the intention of running the ball coming into this game.

[Steeler Eater]

Originally Posted by TGISunday

I guess we'll wait til tomorrow to see the targets Hawkins got vs. the catches, but let me tell you...there was a disparity. And I don't blame it on Hawkins. Just bad gameplanning/execution.

Gotta know when to throw to a 5'7" guy. Brees doesn't throw to Sproles with 2-3 taller defenders nearby, way downfield.

Precisely, if you watch how Brees uses Sproles; it is primarily dump offs and then he uses his speed. Hawkins can just hang around the line of scrimmage and get YAC all day.

[DWright]

Originally Posted by Steeler Eater

Precisely, if you watch how Brees uses Sproles; it is primarily dump offs and then he uses his speed. Hawkins can just hang around the line of scrimmage and get YAC all day.

Coyle worked Gruden over in this game. He played 2 deep safeties. One to shut down AJ Green and the other to force Hawkins between the CB and safety in the middle of the field.

Now the Bengals are going to see this every week since it worked so effectively.

[Derrick]

Originally Posted by Dabo614

i thought that was a terrible call,,,especially with the game on the line you dont throw deep to a 5 foot 7 WR,,,,they should have sent 2 deep,,,gresh medium range and hawkins either a screen or a quick slant type,,,stretch the field deep then give hawkins a short pass and let him do what he does best after that.

This makes a lot more sense.

[BengalTrucker]

Hawkins creates mis-matches with speed and change of direction. He is a good Slot guy, but is too short to run certain routes with a high rate of success.

He is a slot WR, or a gimmick player. He is not a #2 WR who can go deep, or run normal routes.
Hawkins fans flame away, he is good at what he does, and running a #2 WR route is not what Hawkins should be doing.

To use Hawkins in that way is a dis-service to Hawkins and the team.

We have big tall WR to go over the middle and go deep. Use a player for what his talents fit, and you will get the best out of him, and the best for the team.

The routes deep over the middle need to be run by Green, Binns, or Marvin Jones, they have the speed and size to create mis-matches, and that will work the best for the team.

Hawkins should be used to run rub routes, where he almost gets a pick from another WR and is open to create after the catch. He should be used to set in zones, and quick routes. NOT TO GO DEEP OVER THE MIDDLE!!!

[smoke'em]

I would like to know where the bubble screens to this guy are. He feasted on those against the Ravens and I honestly can't recall one since....

I liked the misdirection shovel pass today....we need to utilize more plays like this on 2nd and 3rd and short. Hawkins usually can make a guy or two miss and fall forward for a first at the very least....

[Flevans]

Originally Posted by BengalTrucker

Hawkins creates mis-matches with speed and change of direction. He is a good Slot guy, but is too short to run certain routes with a high rate of success.

He is a slot WR, or a gimmick player. He is not a #2 WR who can go deep, or run normal routes.
Hawkins fans flame away, he is good at what he does, and running a #2 WR route is not what Hawkins should be doing.

To use Hawkins in that way is a dis-service to Hawkins and the team.

We have big tall WR to go over the middle and go deep. Use a player for what his talents fit, and you will get the best out of him, and the best for the team.

The routes deep over the middle need to be run by Green, Binns, or Marvin Jones, they have the speed and size to create mis-matches, and that will work the best for the team.

Hawkins should be used to run rub routes, where he almost gets a pick from another WR and is open to create after the catch. He should be used to set in zones, and quick routes. NOT TO GO DEEP OVER THE MIDDLE!!!

I have to agree. I like Baby Hawk, but he has to be used in spots. Had the first half third and goal pass that was knocked away been intended for a 6'2 guy, it would have an easy throw for Dalton.

[Flevans]

Originally Posted by smoke'em

I would like to know where the bubble screens to this guy are. He feasted on those against the Ravens and I honestly can't recall one since....

Tried to throw one to him on 3rd down before the missed FG.

[smoke'em]

Originally Posted by Flevans

Tried to throw one to him on 3rd down before the missed FG.

Was it to Hawk? For some reason I thought it was the Gresh. I was throwing things once I saw the in \completion so I'm sure I could be mistaken lol.

[Who-Dey-Steve]

I agree, if Dallton throws the ball to Hawkins like he is Green. Then he shouldn't be throwing it to him deep. But if your saying being short means your not a deep ball threat, then I disagree. I don't ever remember Steve Smith, Santana Moss, DeSean Jackson or Steve Largent (All 5'10 or under) having trouble with a deep pass and the ball would been over them if they the wr instead of Hawkin's. I know as of now he isn't as good as any of those wr's and he might never be, but if Dalton doesn't feel confident it can be fit in there then he shouldn't throw it. Just go somewhere else, run it or throw it away. But I completely agree about using Hawkins to his abilitys.