Dalton not impressive

[Millz]

Originally Posted by Joelist

The issue is WHERE the pressure is coming from. The pressure is coming right up the middle and from LG. When the pressure comes from there no QB is able to maintain footwork. Really until our interior OL solidifies we need to redesign the offense a bit - roll Andy out of the pocket more so that the plays have some time to develop.

And that falls on Grudan, who did not do a good job putting Andy in a position to succeed at times Sunday. Between hardly any roll-outs and those 7 drop passes with that line, Grudan just needs to call more plays to Andy's strengths right now, not what his strengths will be in 2 to 3 years from now so to speak.

[Joelist]

Originally Posted by Millz

And that falls on Grudan, who did not do a good job putting Andy in a position to succeed at times Sunday. Between hardly any roll-outs and those 7 drop passes with that line, Grudan just needs to call more plays to Andy's strengths right now, not what his strengths will be in 2 to 3 years from now so to speak.

Yep. Right just now we need more designed rollouts and also quicker, shorter passes to get defenses to back off a bit.

[Hammerthis]

Originally Posted by OH-HENRY

Andy does NOT have better wide receivers this year. Armon Binns will NEVER see a 100 yard game. I repeat NEVER. And you can hold me to it. Hawkins was here last year in the slot. Green has been a constant. We need consistent production from that # 2 spot. We will never see it as long as Binns is in there. Personally I think the reason Tate and him looked so good in training camp was because our pass coverage in the very beginning of the season was horrible making them look superstars. Andy needs another guy in there that can get open. Certainly would help him having more options when he's under pressure.

Oh-Henry I get your message. Only Andy is better this year not his WRs. This year, if there's more first downs, passing yards, receptions, TDs it's because of Andy. None of our WRs have further developement from last year and none of our new WRs are an improvement over Caldwell. Got it!

[Hammerthis]

Originally Posted by OSUfan

Stated a fact buddy. You are in troll mode and you know it as well as everyone else does. You seem to get your enjoyment from attempting to create dissension on a team message board. It is not rocket science. You do not even believe the crap that you spew. You merely like to try and get a rise out of others.

When your bluff is called you turn to your witty little sarcastic comments such as evidenced above.

Troll on brother!

"I'm in troll mode and everyone knows it?" OSUfan, I'm disappointed in you, I can't remember when I've been this dissapointed in you!
I do believe in what I say, I was on vacation and you do seem to have an explosive temperament.
I dont hide the fact I enjoy being sarcastic but only in good humor (this is a message board) and only with those with jihadist like temperaments.

[rfaulk34]

I would just like to say that......




I love reading posts in JN after a Bengals loss.

[Bryan]

Originally Posted by Hammerthis

Perhaps the above QBs warranted more patients because their talent was more obvious to see than Andy's? 3 YRs for Andy should be enough.

He's only in his second year

[bengalfan74]

Originally Posted by gardner30

He is also on pace for 19-20 INTs I believe.

Andy needs to keep his footwork under control to take the next step.

He can't abandon his fundamentals when the pocket breaks down.

IMO, that is the only thing holding him back from being a very good QB THIS year.

If he learns to set his feet when pressured instead of throwing like he is in the backyard LOOK OUT.

^This^

I'm the biggest Andy fan here and I completely agree with this. Andy has to learn to step up in the pocket and do a little better with his foot work, then he can become a very good to great QB.

[Hammerthis]

Originally Posted by Bryan

He's only in his second year

And?

[Shake n Blake]

Originally Posted by Hammerthis

Perhaps the above QBs warranted more patients because their talent was more obvious to see than Andy's? 3 YRs for Andy should be enough.

My goodness. Dalton is in his 2nd year. Palmer was in his 3rd year before he started playing well consistently. It took at least 3 years for Brees, Eli and Favre too. Dalton is WAY ahead of the curve when compared to those guys. You are making this way too easy.

[bengalfan74]

Originally Posted by Shake n Blake

My goodness. Dalton is in his 2nd year. Palmer was in his 3rd year before he started showing playing well consistently. It took at least 3 years for Brees, Eli and Favre too. Dalton is WAY ahead of the curve when compared to those guys. You are making this way too easy.

Exactly Shake it's usually the 4th and even 5th year before an NFL QB really comes into his own, it's looking like Andy will cut that figure in half. These dudes are just grasping at straws !

[Bryan]

Originally Posted by Hammerthis

And?

You're making it seem like he's freaking Mark Sanchez. He's only in his second year, he'll get better.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by Shake n Blake

My goodness. Dalton is in his 2nd year. Palmer was in his 3rd year before he started playing well consistently. It took at least 3 years for Brees, Eli and Favre too. Dalton is WAY ahead of the curve when compared to those guys. You are making this way too easy.

Dalton should have won the SuPerBowllllzlzzzzlzzzzzz last year right after he beat the Bills in his 4th game.

[Shake n Blake]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

Dalton should have won the SuPerBowllllzlzzzzlzzzzzz last year right after he beat the Bills in his 4th game.

Indeed. His 12-9 record as starter is pathetic. We should score 30+ in every game. Who cares if we have no rushing attack? It's all on the QB.

[Hammerthis]

Originally Posted by Bryan

You're making it seem like he's freaking Mark Sanchez. He's only in his second year, he'll get better.

Dude what are you talking about? Clearly you came in on the middle of the convo. I don't see progress in Andy from last year to this year in clutch situations. That doesn't mean "Get rid of Andy!" I'm one of many Bengal fans that have taking a wait and see attitude towards this QB.
I hope to get on the Dalton Bandwagon in the future.

[havean]

Originally Posted by Hammerthis

Dude what are you talking about? Clearly you came in on the middle of the convo. I don't see progress in Andy from last year to this year in clutch situations. That doesn't mean "Get rid of Andy!" I'm one of many Bengal fans that have taking a wait and see attitude towards this QB.
I hope to get on the Dalton Bandwagon in the future.

Well, you might be the only one not noticing a difference. I understand were you are getting at he is not a natural talent. But that being said he is a blue collar type of guy he is eager to get better. I view him as a Young Hassleback or even a young Brees or even Tom Brady. None of which had natural talent but worked on there skills and now look were they are at.

[Hammerthis]

Originally Posted by Shake n Blake

He's having some ups and downs, but overall his numbers are pretty fantastic. I'm just sick of the constant threads freaking out over Andy/wishing Palmer was back/asking if he's the answer. HammerThis just stated that QB is a problem area for this team. If people are willing to see Andy for what he is (a talented QB who is still learning as he goes) then I have no problem with that. But it just seems there is a group that is waiting to pounce as soon as he has an off game.

Maybe the word "Problem" is inappropriate for a young QB coming of a pro bowl year. What if I were to say I'm concerned about Andy's performance in clutch situations?

[Cow Bell Fever]

Andy needs to learn to step up in the pocket. To the posters pt, once a little pressure gets close to Dalton he just takes off running, he doesn't use the pocket as it's meant to be used. I don't think Dalton will ever be a QB that takes us anywhere in the playoffs. Just like last year, he can do just enough to get us into the playoffs, but beyond playoff defenses are to much for Dalton.

[Shake n Blake]

Originally Posted by Hammerthis

Maybe the word "Problem" is inappropriate for a young QB coming of a pro bowl year. What if I were to say I'm concerned about Andy's performance in clutch situations?

I don't think clutch situations are really a problem. I'm willing to admit that Dalton has some issues when tons of pressure is in his face, and that can happen sometimes when clutch situations arise and teams know we have to pass. Lots of QBs have trouble when under pressure though. We just need to do a better job protecting our QB and designing plays that take advantage of blitzes etc.

[BigPapaKain]

Originally Posted by Hammerthis

PapaKain, if you think Dalton is getting better as a QB then go on record and say it now. Just like the numerous times in past we'll file it away for future consideration.
For the record book I'm 4-0 and your 0- ? If you want, I"ll repost some of your posts from the past to illistrate my point.

Dalton is getting better as a QB and you're an idiot if you don't think so.

Again, I congratulated you on being happy Shipley's injury was a career ender. I'm sure you're very proud. Doesn't change the fact that Hawkins is best utilized as a gadget player. Sunday proved that.

Originally Posted by bengalfan74

^This^

I'm the biggest Andy fan here and I completely agree with this. Andy has to learn to step up in the pocket and do a little better with his foot work, then he can become a very good to great QB.

Kind of hard to step up in the pocket when the pocket collapses before you make your second progression.

[Hammerthis]

[quote=BigPapaKain;2639142]Dalton is getting better as a QB and you're an idiot if you don't think so.

Again, I congratulated you on being happy Shipley's injury was a career ender. I'm sure you're very proud. Doesn't change the fact that Hawkins is best utilized as a gadget player. Sunday proved that.


You have no evidence of me being happy about an injury to any player because I wasn't. Stick to name calling and leave the talent evaluation to others.

[BigPapaKain]

Originally Posted by Hammerthis

You have no evidence of me being happy about an injury to any player because I wasn't. Stick to name calling and leave the talent evaluation to others.

Right - you keep trying to trash me for backing the wrong horse in the slot race and you never fail to remind me of it. Yeah, that reads as 'happy about it'.

Besides, its not like it was a secret that Jay Gruden preferred Hawkins over Shipley - skill or talent be damned. Then again, Hawkins got in at the right time.

Also, it comes off as creepy that you sit here and track everything I say about any given player. You're creepy. Creeper.

[collegeboi]

Originally Posted by CinciREborn

I'm sorry
Nothing about Dalton impresses me
He has NEVER impressed me

Wins have always silenced my voice

I still believe we will make this season a beautiful season and I still believe were going all the way. Please understand who this is coming from too. I am the biggest homer here on the boards.

Andy hasn't come out fast all season. We usually get at least the first quarter of bad play. Which after a little while he get in rhythm and start swinging. I'm not football expert but it's rather obviously before the snap he's already made up his mind who he's throwing too. He throws into tight coverage all the time with guys wide open.

Example first pass of the guy he throw to a tightly covered AJ while gresh is wide open in the flat. Andy was forcing to AJ all game while gresh was wide all game. Last drive he was forcing to Hawkins.

Andy has a great line but anytime he gets a little pressure he rushes and doesn't read. Secret to beating us is just rush Andy. You don't need sacks. Just get in his head.

You can disagree however 26 of 43 agrees with me.

We have to be run first
We are built to be run first
Andy is a good QB
As of right now though he's no manning or Brady
Give the backs the ball or were gonna be seeing alot of 26 of 43 games

I believe in Andy Dalton but you can't pressure him. We need our backs. Can someone explain to me how 43 pass attempts works in a west coast offense?

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[bengalsfan2008]

can we stop complaining about our QB play?!? There are at least 22 other teams out there that would love to have our QB playing for them. We have who we have, lets try to support Dalton to the fullest. He is not a bad QB. I swear, a couple bad plays does not negate the fact that we won 3 games in the last five. Not the record we were hoping for going into week 6, but it's very respectable.

[Hammerthis]

Originally Posted by BigPapaKain

Right - you keep trying to trash me for backing the wrong horse in the slot race and you never fail to remind me of it. Yeah, that reads as 'happy about it'.

Besides, its not like it was a secret that Jay Gruden preferred Hawkins over Shipley - skill or talent be damned. Then again, Hawkins got in at the right time.

Also, it comes off as creepy that you sit here and track everything I say about any given player. You're creepy. Creeper.

What's creeping me out is reading into your mind. What leads you to believe that I track everything you say about any given player? Again, you have no evidence to show me saying that because I never said that. What's really your deal?

[BigPapaKain]

Originally Posted by Hammerthis

What's creeping me out is reading into your mind. What leads you to believe that I track everything you say about any given player? Again, you have no evidence to show me saying that because I never said that. What's really your deal?

I don't know if you have short term memory problems or multiple personalities or what; go back about 3 posts of mine and read your quote where you state "just like the numerous times we'll file it away for future consideration".

Your witness.