Andy Dalton INT problem?

[Bengals Mike]

Originally Posted by fredtoast

In '10 the Bengals were 27th in rushing yards per game (95.1) and 32nd in yards per carry (3.6).

This year they are 21st in yards per game (99.3) and 18th in yards per carry (3.9).

except those are blown up by a couple of inconsistencies - Cedric Peerman's 48 yard fake punt in Jacksonville and Bernard Scott's 29 yard carry vs Miami

We're not reeling off fake punts very often and Bernard Scott isnt carrying the ball very much anymore seeing as he was injured before and after that game

If we reeled off big gains off of traditional run plays and by our regular starting running back, those numbers might hold up better

[fredtoast]

Originally Posted by Bengals Mike

except those are blown up by a couple of inconsistencies - Cedric Peerman's 48 yard fake punt in Jacksonville and Bernard Scott's 29 yard carry in Miami

We're not reeling off fake punts very often and Bernard Scott isnt carrying the ball very much anymore seeing as he was injured before and after that game

If we reeled off big gains off of traditional run plays and by our regular starting running back, those numbers might hold up better

Brian Leonard had a 42 yard run on a fake punt against the Colts in '10.

[Bengals Mike]

Originally Posted by fredtoast

Brian Leonard had a 42 yard run on a fake punt against the Colts in '10.

yea but for you to support the Bengals running game as an improvement makes you sound like you're saying Green Ellis is doing a good job when clearly he isnt right now, and I dont put it all on him as our offensive line hasnt been very good either

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by fredtoast

All I am saying is that the same excuse that people are throwing out for Dalton apply to Palmer in '10.

Don't you agree?

No I do not. Dalton is a 2nd year player. You are trying to remove context.
If Andy is doing this 5 years from now, then we will have a problem.

[gardner30]

Some of the decisions Andy is making with the ball is baffling.

You all watch the games, Andy is lucky to not have 20 INTs already.

But, like with all QBs, some of the picks are not his fault.

[OSUfan]

Originally Posted by caddie

Now I raise this semi rhetorical question because I have already formulated my answer but I raise the question to the rest of you.

So far on the year Andy has 12tds and 8ints and is second in the league in INTs and first in pick sixes...
Does Andy Dalton have an interception problem or is he just having to try and do to much?
So is Andy throwing interceptions because he is taking on average 40 attempts a game an we have become one sided?
Is he throwing picks because our WRs are not running strong routes and getting separation (besides AJ that is)?
Or do you think Andy is just bad?

I believe it is a combination of all above. We have become one sided and pass heavy but we are not starting the right WRs to make this a illegitimate option. As well the run game has allowed teams to play 2 deep safety with no fear making throws for Dalton extra tough. Lastly I think he is trying to do to much, with a run game nonexistent and defense that seems suspect at times it feels like it is all on Dalton's shoulders to extend plays and make a win.

What are the rest of the Bengals board's thoughts?

It is a non issue.

[Debbie Downer]

if we can get a running game started then the ints disapear. when all you do is throw thats what other teams know what you are doing.come on coach, run run run

[OH-HENRY]

Originally Posted by bishopbengals

He's just trying to do too much imo. I don't have the stats in front of me, but I believe his games with multiple interceptions are the games where he has the most pass attempts. We need at least a decent running game to get the best out of Dalton imo.

Andy Dalton will be fine.....he's got 10 other guys on offense that can share the blame. Well---make that 9-----AJ is so reliable he can't be blamed.

[OH-HENRY]

I can remember Brett Favre having 5 int's in a single game. And I don't think just once. Good Qb's have bad games. He will make mistakes as he is still young and he is being given a little more freedom this year to make plays. We've seen what Andy can do so I'm not sure why people are worried about him in particular. On the other hand there are players on this team who haven't even given a glimpse of greatness on the field...however they are still starting.

[bengalfan74]

Originally Posted by fredtoast

Andy has also never reached the level of excellence that Palmer did.

The point you are missing is that Palmer got blamed for every single pick, while people have plenty of excuses for Dalton. For example Dalton has a better running game this year than Palmer did in '10.

Fred this is an extreme reach even for you ! You're trying to compare a 7th year vet to a noob with like what 23 games starting ? ?

[fredtoast]

Originally Posted by bengalfan74

Fred this is an extreme reach even for you ! You're trying to compare a 7th year vet to a noob with like what 23 games starting ? ?

No.. I am just comparing the excuses.

If you guys were saying that Dalton was throwing all these picks because he is inexperienced and making bad decisions then I couldn't compare him to Palmer, but that is not what many of you are saying. Instead you are trying to make excuses about how he doesn't have a running or blaming it on the receivers.

In 2010 Palmer had the worst TEs in the league (Coats, Foschi) and two washed up WRs who couldn't even play for any other team in the league. Plus he had a worse running game than Dalton, yet every interception was all Palmers fault.

[Bryan]

Originally Posted by THE PISTONS

Don't those things all negatively impact a game?

Granted it's not always the QB's fault, but neither is an interception that hits the receiver in the hands yet that counts against their stats.

No, but I think the QB has more control over INTs than any of the other things.

[silverleaf_06]

Dalton's fine. The problem is that he has no running game and only 1 WR in AJ Green. Gresham and Baby Hawk are only good on occasion, but are inconsistent. The rest have only proven to be marginal talent at the NFL level so far. Let's not forget that losing his center was huge. Faine is a pedestrian center at this point in his career.

[momadance02]

Originally Posted by OH-HENRY

I can remember Brett Favre having 5 int's in a single game. And I don't think just once. Good Qb's have bad games. He will make mistakes as he is still young and he is being given a little more freedom this year to make plays. We've seen what Andy can do so I'm not sure why people are worried about him in particular. On the other hand there are players on this team who haven't even given a glimpse of greatness on the field...however they are still starting.

Who are these players you speak of? Name me a team today that starts 11 great players every week?

[wavemakersdj]

Someone that can't find the stats, how many passes has Dalton attempted vs completed over 20 yards? And over 15 yards. Why does it seem like Dalton can't throw deep with any accuracy or poise? Did we put our trust in a backup quarterback to run this team?

He can't run, he can't throw long, he can throw a laser up to 15 yards. That doesn't cut it in the NFL.

[BengaliJack]

Of all the crap I can blame for last night...that list is way WAY long but we have a ton of folks we need gone first. On MY list, Andy is at the bottom.

[XenoMorph]

Originally Posted by wavemakersdj

Someone that can't find the stats, how many passes has Dalton attempted vs completed over 20 yards? And over 15 yards. Why does it seem like Dalton can't throw deep with any accuracy or poise? Did we put our trust in a backup quarterback to run this team?

He can't run, he can't throw long, he can throw a laser up to 15 yards. That doesn't cut it in the NFL.

Last year dalton was more accurate on passes that traveled over 20 yards than tom brady was.

He can throw it 20+ yards pretty easy the problem is

Pass protection.

And the fact dalton has one of the quickest releases in football. From the time of the snap till throwing the ball hes averaging less than 2 seconds that doesnt give the WR a lot of time to get down field does it.

Play calling with timing routes plays into it. And you cant play action pass when you cant run the ball.

[Bengal4ever68]

Originally Posted by wavemakersdj

Someone that can't find the stats, how many passes has Dalton attempted vs completed over 20 yards? And over 15 yards. Why does it seem like Dalton can't throw deep with any accuracy or poise? Did we put our trust in a backup quarterback to run this team?

He can't run, he can't throw long, he can throw a laser up to 15 yards. That doesn't cut it in the NFL.

I seen the stats. Every one of his completions was a 0-10 yarder...I think Jay is scared he'll throw it over someones head or over throw someone on the deep ball...I'm not giving up on Dalton just yet, but some of the things he does makes me wonder if he's still our guy or not.

[tenacious-B]

I friggin' hate the Bengals right now, but I'll admit, Dalton is not the problem. Dalton is a winner in a loser system. He's accurate, smart and decisive but he's being burdened by bad coaching and horrible play calling...and our O-line smells like skunk ***.

[berserkerone88]

Originally Posted by BengalsFan024

Last year dalton was more accurate on passes that traveled over 20 yards than tom brady was.

He can throw it 20+ yards pretty easy the problem is

Pass protection.

And the fact dalton has one of the quickest releases in football. From the time of the snap till throwing the ball hes averaging less than 2 seconds that doesnt give the WR a lot of time to get down field does it.

Play calling with timing routes plays into it. And you cant play action pass when you cant run the ball.

It isn't pass pro.
No one gets open deep because they have a safety over AJ. And for the first 7 games we have had the worst options as a #2 WR.

[OchoCincos]

A WR takes > 4 seconds to run 40 yards, even without being touched by a defender within five yards.

Dalton averages less than two seconds before throwing the football.

Therefore, a WR averages less than 20 yards of distance by the time Dalton throws the ball.

[XenoMorph]

Originally Posted by berserkerone88

It isn't pass pro.
No one gets open deep because they have a safety over AJ. And for the first 7 games we have had the worst options as a #2 WR.

Our QB is getting rid of the ball in less than 2 seconds because he usually wont get 3.

And F it last year the double covered AJ all the time and we still tossed it up to him a few times a game.

How bad is it that 7 games in and we really want Simpson back. one of the Other WRs needs to step up./. Gresham needs to step up and if not play O Chrales as a TE/WR hybrid.

[kevin]

and Marvin and Gruden won't call a 20 yard pass, to them, thats The Bomb.....no, they like the 2 yards and a cloud of dust plays.

[fumetti]

Last year Dalton played without fear. This year he looks worried to death.

I'd love to know the truth, whether these are check-downs or the play-call.

I think Gruden should take away the check-downs and make Cincy go with the deeper pass. I think it would work better than what they're doing now.

[crazyjdawg]

Captain Checkdown.

Just like people were afraid of when he was coming out of college.