Insulted by our fan turn out!

[Shake n Blake]

Ridiculous thread is ridiculous.

This fanbase went through the worst 12 year stretch in NFL history ('91-'02). Yet when Marvin Lewis was hired, it gave people hope and we managed to sell out 57 straight games starting in '03. We peaked in '05 and the city was electric. We thought we finally had a squad that was going to do something.

So what happened after that? We missed the playoffs for 3 years in a row. Then we rebounded for one season. Then we went 4-12 again, retained our head coach again, and our star QB demanded a trade. Then there was that pathetic press conference.

Mike Brown destroyed people's delicate trust and confidence in him and this franchise. It is utterly ridiculous that anyone would expect that trust to be repaired overnight. People have now seen this song and dance. A wild card loss followed by 1-3 losing seasons isn't going to cut it anymore. People want to see progress. Or at least see an owner who cares enough to make changes after a 4 win season.

[AngryPanda]

Originally Posted by mulligan

If someone is struggling financially, and wants to attend ONE game, then the only differential between a Bengals single game ticket and a Browns single game ticket is $5. For a group of 4 people, it is a difference of $20.

As for the extra "stuff", it is extra "stuff."

For the fiscally conservative, they can eat at home and skip on the program.

In the end, Cleveland is only 1 of 31 other teams that had greater attendance. Undoubtedly, Cincinnati tickets had to be cheaper than another team's. St. Louis perhaps.

Again, the Cincinnati fan finds excuses to not be a fan. (Expensive? tickets).

It doesn't seem that any of this math corresponds to anything I said in the post you quoted, so I don't know how to respond.

Regardless, are there any excuses that would be valid 'to not be a fan' [which I would argue is totally independent of going to a game] in your opinion ?

[RoarOfTheBengal]

Originally Posted by caddie

HOW THE HELL DOES PITTSBURGH PUT THAT MAN FANS IN OUR HOME STADIUM DURING A ORANGE OUT!!!

I am livid at my team but wow that looked like a Steelers home game.

You could hear Steelers fans cheers over those of Bengals fans.

There were Terrible towels and toothless fans everywhere. This is how the Nati rolls now-a-days no respect for itself. It allows the ghetto trash to lead the way into nothing.

The city has turned to **** and was even stupid enough to elect Jerry Springer at one point. The city of Cincinnati should feel ashamed for how far it has fallen down and become unable to get back up.

You should be more insulted by the product on the field.

Stop complaining about the fans. We're just smart enough to not put our hard earned money towards that hot garbage called a football team.

[Shake n Blake]

Originally Posted by mulligan

If someone is struggling financially, and wants to attend ONE game, then the only differential between a Bengals single game ticket and a Browns single game ticket is $5. For a group of 4 people, it is a difference of $20.

As for the extra "stuff", it is extra "stuff."

For the fiscally conservative, they can eat at home and skip on the program.

In the end, Cleveland is only 1 of 31 other teams that had greater attendance. Undoubtedly, Cincinnati tickets had to be cheaper than another team's. St. Louis perhaps.

Again, the Cincinnati fan finds excuses to not be a fan. (Expensive? tickets).

In 2003 (the beginning of our sellout streak), the price of the cheapest ticket was $35. The price for the same section is now $65. It's nearly doubled in less than 10 years! Mike Brown took advantage of the sellouts and raised prices over and over. We have the 8th most expensive "cheap" seats in the NFL. Right up there with storied and successful franchises like the Steelers and Packers. That's ridiculous. Also, you guys are not taking into account that Cincinnati is one of the smallest markets to have an NFL franchise.

As I stated in my previous post, we had no trouble selling out 57 straight games (and we've sold out quite a few since), but people are still fed up with Mike Brown and the inconsistency of this franchise. When NFL teams have terrible seasons, they are supposed to make changes. Mike Brown does not. The whole lesson here? If you have less fans to work with, you'd better not tick them off by being a) cheap, and b) content to retain coaches who underperform. All the while almost doubling the price of your most affordable tickets.

[Wyche'sWarrior]

Originally Posted by caddie

Thanks for pointing out you make more money than me. I have two kids a wife and have had some stunning medical bills to pay from rupturing my Achilles.
So congrats on having the money to fly in from Hawaii a few times a year.

Most sundays I go and support my boys at a local Bar owned by a Cincinnati fan. I find as many whiny weak *** fans their as anywhere else.

We have developed a culture of complaining and whining instead of winning. We have some of the worst home records of any market in the NFL. That is a sure way to get your franchise sold.


Not to mention the culture in Cincinnati obviously isn't inspiring the players to give their bloody all for the Fans. Cleveland right up the lake continues to sell out and has been a horrid team over the years.

Most Bengals fans will always give you a reason they don't support their team.


















SO LET ME PUT THIS IN ANOTHER WAY.....

The culture of Cincinnati is one of losing. It seems that no one is ever happy. We didn't make enough moves or do what this person, or that person wanted. They always seem to find a reason why they will not support their team. It is a culture of losing and it is like the majority of the fan base can not let go of it.

I am tired of fans exhibiting a losing culture instead of showing up and doing work. Hell if you can't show up at least carry yourself with pride. I don't even see fans in out of market areas carry themselves with pride for their team win lose or draw.

I am tired of the losing culture our fans have developed.

With all due respect ....Mike Clown developed that culture. This fanbase was once ravenous ....I went to Riverfront when it was "The Jungle"....I know. Thr Reds are one of the most storied franchises in all of baseball, so the argument doesn't hold much water there. Bengals fans have finally been beaten into submission, no one to blame but Mike. I went to the first win of that dreadful 2008 campaign, PBS was still alive and well then.....even in 2009, and 2010. I was there. After 2010 and the subsequent offseason, it's no wonder things are what they are.

[Utts]

Jerry Springer ... that's the best you could do? When was he Mayor here ... 25-years ago?

Originally Posted by caddie

HOW THE HELL DOES PITTSBURGH PUT THAT MAN FANS IN OUR HOME STADIUM DURING A ORANGE OUT!!!

I am livid at my team but wow that looked like a Steelers home game.

You could hear Steelers fans cheers over those of Bengals fans.

There were Terrible towels and toothless fans everywhere. This is how the Nati rolls now-a-days no respect for itself. It allows the ghetto trash to lead the way into nothing.

The city has turned to **** and was even stupid enough to elect Jerry Springer at one point. The city of Cincinnati should feel ashamed for how far it has fallen down and become unable to get back up.

[Wyche'sWarrior]

Originally Posted by mulligan

I don't know exactly who the "he" is ML is referring to.

Perhaps Carson Palmer quitting on the team (at some point in the 2010 season). This is who I suspect ML was speaking of.

You really believe that don't you? Carson was long gone when Marvin made that statement, get real. SMH......no wonder Mike Clown thinks he can continually stick it to the fans!

As for LA.....they ain't gonna put up with that BS ....they ran Al out of town, they SURE ain't gonna put up with Mike Clown.....no one is. Threaten away son of Paul ...who gives a crap!

[shaolinghost]

Originally Posted by mulligan

It is not that I am a cynic. It is that people are often confused.

http://www.bengals.com/tickets/stadi...t-pricing.html

Bengals lowest price for a ticket is $40.
Browns lowest price for a ticket is $35.

http://www.getbrownstickets.com/content/seating-pricing

So, does $5 per ticket cause such a great divide between the Bengals attendance and the Browns attendance?

I don't think so.

As for the Browns ticket pack, it sounds like a great deal. MB offered a BOGO free last year. That was a good deal as well.

Once again, like AP said, those ticket prices are just now that low. Before that they were over $50. There's also the possibility of the Browns stadium providing a better fan experience, since I've heard quite a lot that the fan experience at PBS is one of the worst in the NFL. Add to that all of the perks you get when purchasing Browns season tickets(free food, drinks, parking vouchers, single game ticket discounts, etc...), and it's just a better recipe for a sell out or near sell out.

Wasn't the BOGO deal for families of season ticket holders only? I mean, it worked, but that's still kinda cheap.

[BleedNOrange]

If I see another thread insulting the fans, I just might puke. This team has done nothing to maintain or grow its fan base. They should be thrilled that they have any fans left at all.

This is not a chicken and the egg situation. Winning solves all. If they ever put a winning team on the field, the fans will be there visiting fans at PBS will diminish. It doesn't work the other way. Sorry this is supposed to be for entertainment. If the team is not entertaining, then why should we the fans show up.

[Stewee28]

Originally Posted by caddie

HOW THE HELL DOES PITTSBURGH PUT THAT MAN FANS IN OUR HOME STADIUM DURING A ORANGE OUT!!!

I am livid at my team but wow that looked like a Steelers home game.

You could hear Steelers fans cheers over those of Bengals fans.

There were Terrible towels and toothless fans everywhere. This is how the Nati rolls now-a-days no respect for itself. It allows the ghetto trash to lead the way into nothing.

The city has turned to **** and was even stupid enough to elect Jerry Springer at one point. The city of Cincinnati should feel ashamed for how far it has fallen down and become unable to get back up.

If you think I am going to waste my money to go down there and support this piece of **** team, your out of your mind! I have a hard time watching them on my television, let alone, going down there and having to watch this joke of an organization dig its own grave on national television. At least at home I can change the channel. Hell, the Rob Zombie Halloween movies werent as gory as what was happening on NBC the other night. I think its funny that you blame the fans for not supportinig one of the worst sports franchises EVER!

I hope there are only 10,000-15,000 fans in that stadium from here on out. I was looking forward to coming to one or two games this year, but I can tell you that DEFINITELY is not happening. I hope the rest of the season is blacked out so I dont waste my sunday afternoons on the BUNGALS!

[Ian Demagii]

Originally Posted by thompson19osu

I had to have a laugh watching the game on TV. I thought it was supposed to be an orange out and I saw nothing of the like. The overhead blimp view showed some orange and some black. I know some of the black were Steelers fans but it was evident Bengals fans missed the memo about the Orange Out.

At one point the TV crew made a comment, I think it went something like "The Steelers have a very avid fan base that travels to many games, but how did they get so many high priced good seats?"

My theroy-The bengals have always looked at COA's and seats as an "investment,"
meaning that the ultimate goal of the seat owners is not to support the local team, but to make money.If that's so why wouldn't they sell their seats at a premium when Steeler fans travel once a year, or when the Packers were here-you would have thought that Lambeau moved south for a day-some of those people never get to see the "the Pack" because of the waiting list in Green Bay, but they were willing to pay a premium price to see them at PBS. So why the shock?

Ian

[umkubas]

Caddie:

Where you at Paul Brown Stadium Sunday night?

I do not live in the Cincinnati or Ohio area (Eastern Ontario) but saw opening week at M & T Bank Stadium and Week (I believe) 14 at Lincoln Financial Field.

These are the win/loss numbers since my fandom of the Cincinnati Bengals began (the National Football League draft of 2003) - 72-78-1 and three playoff losses........mediocre at best. Could this be one reason that fans will not spend money on tickets (Paul Brown Stadium tickets) to witness mediocre performance and losses.

[magishn1]

Originally Posted by Ian Demagii

At one point the TV crew made a comment, I think it went something like "The Steelers have a very avid fan base that travels to many games, but how did they get so many high priced good seats?"
My theroy-The bengals have always looked at COA's and seats as an "investment,"
meaning that the ultimate goal of the seat owners is not to support the local team, but to make money.If that's so why wouldn't they sell their seats at a premium when Steeler fans travel once a year, or when the Packers were here-you would have thought that Lambeau moved south for a day-some of those people never get to see the "the Pack" because of the waiting list in Green Bay, but they were willing to pay a premium price to see them at PBS. So why the shock?

Ian

This needs to be starightened out right now. The Steelers DO NOT travel any better than any other team. My family lives in Pittsburgh and they had a TV special on the Steelers and dispelled the myth that their fans travel so well. The reality is this, the town started going down hill when the steel mills started closing at historic rates. Pittsburgh Steel, Armco, Alcoa and Allegheny-Ludlum all closed some plants or left town entirely. People were losing their jobs left and right and they had to leave town to find other work. For 15 yrs. Steeler fans moved and scattered all over the country taking their loyalty to the Steelers with them. That is the major reason why you see so many fans at other games. MOST of them actually live in that city and transplanted from Pa. That's not to say they don't travel, just not as well as some would have you believe.

[JBS Texas]

When Mike Brown dies or builds a dynasty, I will by a home game ticket. I'm tired of buying tickets and watching my beloved team loose. I have also supported the bengals at multiple away games. I have taken the s**t talk from NY to stadiums as far as Dallas. Our fans need to be more ruthless and not be as inviting to our opponents. Until you have been to Pit, Buf, Bal, NJ, Cle, or Dallas. We are laid back fans that want to be sportsman. Well that is not the rest of the NFL. Get the hell out and see an away game. You will not feel comfortable and probably not want to go back to someone else home.

[caddie]

Originally Posted by Stewee28

If you think I am going to waste my money to go down there and support this piece of **** team, your out of your mind! I have a hard time watching them on my television, let alone, going down there and having to watch this joke of an organization dig its own grave on national television. At least at home I can change the channel. Hell, the Rob Zombie Halloween movies werent as gory as what was happening on NBC the other night. I think its funny that you blame the fans for not supportinig one of the worst sports franchises EVER!

I hope there are only 10,000-15,000 fans in that stadium from here on out. I was looking forward to coming to one or two games this year, but I can tell you that DEFINITELY is not happening. I hope the rest of the season is blacked out so I dont waste my sunday afternoons on the BUNGALS!

^This is the type of fan I am talking about. "Piece of **** team" "I hope no one shows up" "I hope they black out so I don't have to waste my sundays on the bungals"

If you have this much **** to talk about your own team you need to try something else. Absolutely ridiculous. Cool being a fan gives you room to gripe. However if all you have is ill will and hate go ahead and GTFO!!!!

I will get up in a Bengals fans face for calling our team the Bungles... It is a disrespectful term coined by others. It is the bengals equivalent to being racist against your own race.

If you honestly don't want to support this team don't but then don't come on the boards don't wear the jerseys just get lost!!! We don't need your negative hate.

The team slipped pretty big time but it is an extremely young offence. I put up no excuse for the D. However I have patience I get mad and then I get over it. It is just a game something to enjoy and kill time on. If all you do with that time is hate, gripe, *****, and moan the go somewhere else most of us are tired of hearing your ****.

Originally Posted by BleedNOrange

If I see another thread insulting the fans, I just might puke. This team has done nothing to maintain or grow its fan base. They should be thrilled that they have any fans left at all.

This is not a chicken and the egg situation. Winning solves all. If they ever put a winning team on the field, the fans will be there visiting fans at PBS will diminish. It doesn't work the other way. Sorry this is supposed to be for entertainment. If the team is not entertaining, then why should we the fans show up.

Then go ahead and puke dude. Winning does solve everything but loyalty doesn't take winning. I know most of you old heads are stuck on the dark ages but get over it.

I wear my colors with pride and the pride I wear them with has people come up to me with compliments and not insults and those who insult get insulted right back. Pride means a lot. I don't have pride for Mike Brown, nor a respect. He needs to let football people play football.

However I do respect support and have pride for Andy Dalton, AJ Green, Mohamed Sanu, Marvin Jones, Geno Atkins, Michael Johnson, Carlos Dunlap, Vontaze Burfict, Domata Peko, Kevin Zeitler. and many others...

[Who-Dey Girl]

Here is an ideal! If you do not like the people of Cincy, the Bengals fan base, or whatever .... root for another team! I'm sure there are many others closer to where you live! Problem solved...on to the next thread.

[Wyche'sWarrior]

Why does it come to this every year? Fans bickering amongst each other. Players, SOME COACHES, not all, come and go....and yet, year after pitiful year, there's one constant : Mike Clown. Direct your anger at him, not the fans, not the players, not some of the coaches. I am die hard, but son of Paul will never see another dime of mine as long as mediocrity or failure is status quo...

[BleedNOrange]

Originally Posted by caddie

Then go ahead and puke dude. Winning does solve everything but loyalty doesn't take winning. I know most of you old heads are stuck on the dark ages but get over it.

I wear my colors with pride and the pride I wear them with has people come up to me with compliments and not insults and those who insult get insulted right back. Pride means a lot. I don't have pride for Mike Brown, nor a respect. He needs to let football people play football.

However I do respect support and have pride for Andy Dalton, AJ Green, Mohamed Sanu, Marvin Jones, Geno Atkins, Michael Johnson, Carlos Dunlap, Vontaze Burfict, Domata Peko, Kevin Zeitler. and many others...

Really? REALLY?? You want to question my loyalty?? Over the past 5 years I haven't missed a home game and I don't even have season tickets. I have a Corey Dillon, Chad Johnson, and Madieu Williams jersey hanging in my closet. My office at work is decked out in Bengals stuff. Don't ever try to tell me I have no pride in this team. I'm just sick of the same old song and dance. My standards in life are way too high for this to be acceptable. "Old heads?" How old do you think I am?

You ever think that maybe, just maybe, the reason I am so cynical is because I care too much? That it drives me crazy to see a team/city I love fail so often? No, it is just easier to say I am not a true fan.

Simple questions, for the "few" Bengal fans that did show up...did they get their money's worth? Did the Bengals deliver? Did they give the fans reason to come back again?

[caddie]

Originally Posted by Who-Dey Girl

Here is an ideal! If you do not like the people of Cincy, the Bengals fan base, or whatever .... root for another team! I'm sure there are many others closer to where you live! Problem solved...on to the next thread.

Sweet heart I was born and raised in orange and black. Because some fans can't stop talking **** and I call them out for it does not mean I have to go elsewhere. I named my son Dalton. Lol don't tell me to go root for another team because it is not in my DNA to do so.

However I will tell the people that keep calling their own team **** or just continuing to bashing it. To stfu and sit down.

Oh and you are from Springfield. LOL WTF do you care about what I say about ***holes from the Nati. I am not bashing all of the Nati just the fans that can't stop from being filled with hate.

Originally Posted by BleedNOrange

Really? REALLY?? You want to question my loyalty?? Over the past 5 years I haven't missed a home game and I don't even have season tickets. I have a Corey Dillon, Chad Johnson, and Madieu Williams jersey hanging in my closet. My office at work is decked out in Bengals stuff. Don't ever try to tell me I have no pride in this team. I'm just sick of the same old song and dance. My standards in life are way too high for this to be acceptable. "Old heads?" How old do you think I am?

You ever think that maybe, just maybe, the reason I am so cynical is because I care too much? That it drives me crazy to see a team/city I love fail so often? No, it is just easier to say I am not a true fan.

Simple questions, for the "few" Bengal fans that did show up...did they get their money's worth? Did the Bengals deliver? Did they give the fans reason to come back again?

Well the city failing has nothing to do with the team failing first off. Cincinnati fell because of the idiot youth trying to be hood and keep it gangster. I have been working on relocating back to that area and have no intentions of putting my children anywhere in the Cincinnati metro area after what it has slowly become.

Your pride is in question when you can call your team pieces of **** and the bungles and show nothing but hate. Pride forsakes hate sir. A prideful man will carry his pride in the face of all adversity no matter how tough it gets.

I don't fault you for wanting a quality product put on the field that is not the issue. It is the way you go about it. You do so in a hate filled angry manner.

[Cin726]

Originally Posted by mulligan

Very convincing. When was the last time the Cleveland Browns went to the playoffs? 2011, 2009, 2005? No, it was 2002. No worries. Browns fans support their team still.

Kudos to Cincinnati fans for doing their part to black out 6 home games during a playoff year. Go Cincinnati fan!

If the Browns fans want to waste their money on an inferior product, that's their prerogative. All the power to them.

I'm a fan of this team, and I will follow it until the day I die (unless it's sold to another city), but if Mike Brown wants another cent of my money, he had better put out a consistent winner on the field. Money's tight as it is, and I'm not about to blow it on an inferior product when it could be put towards something more useful or something more consistent in its entertainment value.

Unfortunately, he's had twenty years to put together a consistent winner and has unapologetically failed up to this point. I don't have much hope that he'll ever figure it out.

[Ian Demagii]

Originally Posted by magishn1

This needs to be starightened out right now. The Steelers DO NOT travel any better than any other team. My family lives in Pittsburgh and they had a TV special on the Steelers and dispelled the myth that their fans travel so well. The reality is this, the town started going down hill when the steel mills started closing at historic rates. Pittsburgh Steel, Armco, Alcoa and Allegheny-Ludlum all closed some plants or left town entirely. People were losing their jobs left and right and they had to leave town to find other work. For 15 yrs. Steeler fans moved and scattered all over the country taking their loyalty to the Steelers with them. That is the major reason why you see so many fans at other games. MOST of them actually live in that city and transplanted from Pa. That's not to say they don't travel, just not as well as some would have you believe.

I have heard this before and while I do believe it in part, Steeler fans do travel well-realistically how many Pittsburgh people settled in Cincinnati, another town that was laying people off in droves and just not blue collar manufactuering laborers either (Cincinnati is notorious for laying off white collar people), so I don't think many steel mill workers landed in Cincinnati. I did know one sales guy who was from Pittsburgh and moved here for his job.

Yes the Steelers have many front running "fans" that are not from Pittsburg-same as the Pack and Indy and some others. Yes before Cincinnati and DAYTON were Browns towns-Dayton still is to an extent-because Cincinnati did not have a team until the late 60's and they were AFL for the first years, so I can understand that.

The main crux of my arguement your missed, which was why did these Steelers fans have great seats? I totally understand fans coming to support their team but why weren't they in the cheap nose bleed sections. This should be a horrible embarrassment to Ownership, and the terrible truth is Its not!

Ian

[Who-Dey Girl]

Originally Posted by caddie

Sweet heart I was born and raised in orange and black. Because some fans can't stop talking **** and I call them out for it does not mean I have to go elsewhere. I named my son Dalton. Lol don't tell me to go root for another team because it is not in my DNA to do so.

However I will tell the people that keep calling their own team **** or just continuing to bashing it. To stfu and sit down.

Oh and you are from Springfield. LOL WTF do you care about what I say about ***holes from the Nati. I am not bashing all of the Nati just the fans that can't stop from being filled with hate.

Sweetheart, I am sorry if you took offense to my post because it seemed so logical to me. I do not understand rooting for a team that is from someplace that you do not like. Apparently at some point you were from around there. Yeah, I am from Springfield but I happen to be at the game and go to Cincy a lot for work. I actually get where you are coming from wanting to see the jungle be the jungle again but I can assure you that everyone who was there is right as there were less of those stupid towels than normal. I do get mad at the season ticket holders who cash in on all the local bandwagon Stooger fans too. I have also bled black and orange since I was born. However, in my most lady-like opinion I see no point to go a drama crazy on a board that is full of probably some of the most die heart fans there are – majority being from Cincinnati. There are issues with this team and the only reason that anyone even cares about them is because they are a fan. Geesh and I thought it was women who were the dramatic ones!

[BleedNOrange]

Originally Posted by caddie

Well the city failing has nothing to do with the team failing first off. Cincinnati fell because of the idiot youth trying to be hood and keep it gangster. I have been working on relocating back to that area and have no intentions of putting my children anywhere in the Cincinnati metro area after what it has slowly become.

Your pride is in question when you can call your team pieces of **** and the bungles and show nothing but hate. Pride forsakes hate sir. A prideful man will carry his pride in the face of all adversity no matter how tough it gets.

I don't fault you for wanting a quality product put on the field that is not the issue. It is the way you go about it. You do so in a hate filled angry manner.

1) When have I ever referred to this team as "team pieces of **** and the bungles"? Please show me
2) I find it hilarious that you think I am filled with hate and anger based on an internet message board. You truly do not know me at all. What angers me is people like you who want to blame the fans for this team's failures.
3) My post was not about the city of Cincinnati failing. What I meant is that the team carrying the name "Cincinnati" keeps failing. I have no idea what you have against this city. I love it here. If a team is going to wear the name across the chest, I'd prefer them to stop being the joke of the NFL.
4) You never answered my questions.

"Loyalty is essential for genuine family solidarity. But blind loyalty leads to family dysfunction."

[RumbleCat]

Originally Posted by Who-Dey Girl

Sweetheart, I am sorry if you took offense to my post because it seemed so logical to me. I do not understand rooting for a team that is from someplace that you do not like. Apparently at some point you were from around there. Yeah, I am from Springfield but I happen to be at the game and go to Cincy a lot for work. I actually get where you are coming from wanting to see the jungle be the jungle again but I can assure you that everyone who was there is right as there were less of those stupid towels than normal. I do get mad at the season ticket holders who cash in on all the local bandwagon Stooger fans too. I have also bled black and orange since I was born. However, in my most lady-like opinion I see no point to go a drama crazy on a board that is full of probably some of the most die heart fans there are – majority being from Cincinnati. There are issues with this team and the only reason that anyone even cares about them is because they are a fan. Geesh and I thought it was women who were the dramatic ones!

Excellent post!

[Springer]

Caddie, the "rah-rah sally" act has grown tiresome. Put down your pom-poms sweetheart and quit being so gullible.

With Mike Browns Bengals, incompetance is the norm and mediocre is celebrated. With Mike Brown, that will never change. Never.

Those that refuse to attend Bengals games should be hailed. Those that do attend are essentially telling Mike Brown "hey I am fine with what you are doing."

Twenty-two years with no end in sight.