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Old 11-07-2012, 07:24 AM
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The board has taught me 5 valuable lessons that I was unaware of prior to this year:

5. A QB is not responsible for INTs

4. Interceptions are not a good way to judge a CB

3. A RB is not responsible for his YPC

2. Sacks really don't tell how good a DE pressures a QB

1. A season is over after 8 games
At least your eating your Wheaties and paying attention.

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The board has taught me 5 valuable lessons that I was unaware of prior to this year:

5. A QB is not responsible for INTs

4. Interceptions are not a good way to judge a CB

3. A RB is not responsible for his YPC

2. Sacks really don't tell how good a DE pressures a QB

1. A season is over after 8 games
Some seasons ARE over after 8 games. Like this one, for instance.
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Old 11-07-2012, 08:21 AM
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IDK... perhaps it's just to prove a point to another fan? What's the big deal?
No big deal; I"ve just never understood the mentality.

A couple years ago a board member, who will remain nameless, wanted to sig bet me that a certain Bengal QB would have a better passer rating than Josh Freeman. I couldn't take the bet, because if I did for me to "win", the Bengal QB would have to have a worse year than another middle of the road NFL QB.

BTW Josh Freeman ended with a higher QB rating.
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Why would you want to bet against your team?
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5) Spell correctly...fact check...and prersent your arguements in a logical, well written format

4) The Cincinnati Bengals have a history that is severely inhabited with medocrity and on ocassions poor play.

3) The ownership of the Cincinnati Bengals is mottivated only by the profit to be gained by holding a franchise in the National Football League

2) There are no surprises in this outcomes of the play of the Cincinnati Bengals....The Cincinnati Bengals lose to the above .500 teams in the National Football and beatup on the below .500 teams (of course since 2003 there have been occasional diversions from this pattern...2005....2009....2011)

1) " season is over after 8 games" .........this stament would be true in the 2008 and 2010 seasons and unfortunately in the 2012 season.
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5) Spell correctly...fact check...and prersent your arguements in a logical, well written format

4) The Cincinnati Bengals have a history that is severely inhabited with medocrity and on ocassions poor play.

3) The ownership of the Cincinnati Bengals is mottivated only by the profit to be gained by holding a franchise in the National Football League

2) There are no surprises in this outcomes of the play of the Cincinnati Bengals....The Cincinnati Bengals lose to the above .500 teams in the National Football and beatup on the below .500 teams (of course since 2003 there have been occasional diversions from this pattern...2005....2009....2011)

1) " season is over after 8 games" .........this stament would be true in the 2008 and 2010 seasons and unfortunately in the 2012 season.


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Old 11-07-2012, 11:08 AM
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No big deal; I"ve just never understood the mentality.

A couple years ago a board member, who will remain nameless, wanted to sig bet me that a certain Bengal QB would have a better passer rating than Josh Freeman. I couldn't take the bet, because if I did for me to "win", the Bengal QB would have to have a worse year than another middle of the road NFL QB.

BTW Josh Freeman ended with a higher QB rating.
I was on the "hater" side of the sig bet last year, and it didn't affect me cheering for my team one bit. Being a fan of the Bengals trumps any side bet for me. Basically, I will cheer my butt off, then I will think about any bet I made later. I'm not going to root for Carson Palmer (now Dalton) to throw picks just so I can win some silly wager. Even if I believe we will lose, that does not mean I will root against them in order to win a silly bet. For me, the bets are just for fun. Some people take their bets extremely serious apparently.
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5) Spell correctly...fact check...and prersent your arguements in a logical, well written format
it really is amazing how even though you are universally regarded as a joke, you continue to post here.

did anyone figure out what country this moron is from
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it really is amazing how even though you are universally regarded as a joke, you continue to post here.

did anyone figure out what country this moron is from


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The board has taught me 5 valuable lessons that I was unaware of prior to this year:

5. A QB is not responsible for INTs

4. Interceptions are not a good way to judge a CB

3. A RB is not responsible for his YPC

2. Sacks really don't tell how good a DE pressures a QB

1. A season is over after 8 games
What is your point to this?

None of your 5 lessons are unreasonable.

Example: Current (as of last week) Lions CB Alphonso Smith had 8 INTs in 4 yrs in the league (2 returned for TDs) but has been on the street until now.

Why?

Darren McFadden is struggling running in a zone blocking scheme and his YPC are low.

Does he stink now?

A pass that goes through a WRs hands and is intercepted is the QBs fault?

Clay Matthews had a down year for GB last year with 6 sacks but had a lot of pressures.

Did he stink last year?

The odds of a team coming back with the hole the Bengals have dug themselves is very slim and it is very reasonable to assume that the Bengals will not make the playoffs, hence the season is over.

Dumb stuff really.

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Old 11-07-2012, 11:26 AM
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The board taught me that threads started about how Mike Brown should act like a real owner, linking to an article about the Jag's owner talking about how bad his team is right now being unacceptable and jobs are at stake, will be deleted in a flash.

No rocking the boat!
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Bengals FA: A period where fans want them to keep their own, unless the team doesn't manage to, in which case they were either overrated or overpaid. Or they weren't a team player. Or I think they said they were a Steelers fan once. I heard they preferred Gold Star over Skyline anyway. Oh well, they're easily replaceable by *insert unproven backup player or rookie name here*.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:26 AM
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:27 AM
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The board taught me that threads started about how Mike Brown should act like a real owner, linking to an article about the Jag's owner talking about how bad his team is right now being unacceptable and jobs are at stake, will be deleted in a flash.

No rocking the boat!
Bud Adams/Jerry Richardson has put the Titans/Panthers organizations on notice as well.

I'm sure that has happened here
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:31 AM
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Bud Adams/Jerry Richardson has put the Titans/Panthers organizations on notice as well.

I'm sure that has happened here
Yeah, I actually for some unknown reason got my hopes up for a second when on the site I saw an article "Sudden change in a snap." and I was like... No way! Mike Brown decided to actually do something about this team! ... but then I clicked on it and found out instantly it was a Hobson propaganda article about the team's longsnapper.

Really?

I should have known better, I suppose.
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yeah, i actually for some unknown reason got my hopes up for a second when on the site i saw an article "sudden change in a snap." and i was like... No way! Mike brown decided to actually do something about this team! ... But then i clicked on it and found out instantly it was a hobson propaganda article about the team's longsnapper.
i can't stand those articles.
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What is your point to this?

None of your 5 lessons are unreasonable.

Example: Current (as of last week) Lions CB Alphonso Smith had 8 INTs in 4 yrs in the league (2 returned for TDs) but has been on the street until now.

Why?

Darren McFadden is struggling running in a zone blocking scheme and his YPC are low.

Does he stink now?

A pass that goes through a WRs hands and is intercepted is the QBs fault?

Clay Matthews had a down year for GB last year with 6 sacks but had a lot of pressures.

Did he stink last year?

The odds of a team coming back with the hole the Bengals have dug themselves is very slim and it is very reasonable to assume that the Bengals will not make the playoffs, hence the season is over.

Dumb stuff really.
No doubt folks can point to specific examples:

Of QBs with at least 300 attempts Brady has a low of 3, Weeden has a high of 12. I suppose brady is just luckier.

Of RBs with atleast 85 carries Alex Green is the worst at 3.1, Adrian Peterson is the best at 5.7 YPC. I suppose it is because of the Vikings blocking.

The top 5 sack leaders are Watt, Ware, Miller, Matthew, and Wake.

We are 2 games behind the Colts for a playoff spot.

Is that stuff dumb as well?
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The board has taught me 5 valuable lessons that I was unaware of prior to this year:

5. A QB is not responsible for INTs

4. Interceptions are not a good way to judge a CB

3. A RB is not responsible for his YPC

2. Sacks really don't tell how good a DE pressures a QB

1. A season is over after 8 games
Good list
May favorite that I've learned is 74-88 with Marvin and 133-218 over the last 20 years is considered mediocre.
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No doubt folks can point to specific examples:

Of QBs with at least 300 attempts Brady has a low of 3, Weeden has a high of 12. I suppose brady is just luckier.

Of RBs with atleast 85 carries Alex Green is the worst at 3.1, Adrian Peterson is the best at 5.7 YPC. I suppose it is because of the Vikings blocking.

The top 5 sack leaders are Watt, Ware, Miller, Matthew, and Wake.

We are 2 games behind the Colts for a playoff spot.

Is that stuff dumb as well?
My point was you could argue it both ways.

You insinuating that you just learned this on the board is kinda dumb.

How many of those 3 picks were Bradys fault, where he made an obvious bad pass?

Skill of a RB is a big factor in YPC, the special ones don't need great offensive lines.

I bet if you look at all those guys stats that each has had a down year sacks wise but the pressure stats are still pretty good in those down years.

2 games in the NFL is a lot, not impossible though just very unlikely.
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Sorry but Newman now has more interceptions than any of our corners since 2010...combined
You mean except the 4 Jason Allen had last year? Or the 4 Leon Hall had in 2010? Or the 2 he had last year in limited playing time?

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1. A season is over after 8 games
Actually, it would be more like 8 losses.
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My point was you could argue it both ways.

You insinuating that you just learned this on the board is kinda dumb.

How many of those 3 picks were Bradys fault, where he made an obvious bad pass?

Skill of a RB is a big factor in YPC, the special ones don't need great offensive lines.

I bet if you look at all those guys stats that each has had a down year sacks wise but the pressure stats are still pretty good in those down years.

2 games in the NFL is a lot, not impossible though just very unlikely.
Not doubt, I'm just of the opion that;

If a QB consistantly throws a high number of picks it is because he is making bad throws, if he doesn't he is being smart and acurate (But I have been told otherwise)

If a RB consistantly has a high average YPC he is a good RB, if he consistantly has a low average he is not so good. (But I have been told otherwise)

If a DE consistantly has a high number of sacks he is pretty good at applying pressure of the QB, if he doesn't then he isn't. (But I have been told otherwise)

Terrence Newman got 2 INTs this past weekend and I considered that a good thing. (But I have been told otherwise).


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Actually, it would be more like 8 losses.
I wonder how the 2010 Seahawks or Saints feel about that.
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The board has taught me 5 valuable lessons that I was unaware of prior to this year:

5. A QB is not responsible for INTs

4. Interceptions are not a good way to judge a CB

3. A RB is not responsible for his YPC

2. Sacks really don't tell how good a DE pressures a QB

1. A season is over after 8 games


Lol...

5. (not all of them at least. INTS happen why is a different story. IF a QB has a DE/DT hugging him while throwing or a WR tips it to a defender. i dont count those against the Q

4. Well we only have 1 CB with INT's this year so idk.

3. eh

2. Pressure and Sacks are diffrent.

1. for a lot of fans yep.
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The real thing I have learned on this board is:

We will manipulate any data possible to support our heroes and bash the ones we don't like.
That's not a message board thing - that's a people in general thing.

Christ, have you watched any TV the last year; it's all that's been going on during commercial breaks.
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Lol...

5. (not all of them at least. INTS happen why is a different story. IF a QB has a DE/DT hugging him while throwing or a WR tips it to a defender. i dont count those against the Q
Believe me, I've been on the opposing side of you can't blame the QB for INTs debate for some time. Used to be a QB here that folks would blame on anything else. Obviously, not every INT a QB throws is his "fault"; however, not every inaccurate throw is intercepted.

I've just always been of the opinion that they work out in the wash. Most QB with high INTs is because they throw inacurrate balls and/or make poor decisions. Not just because it is something/someone else's fault.
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