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Old 11-08-2012, 03:12 PM
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Dalton C +
lawfirm D+
Pressley D
Green A
Binns D
Tate D
Hawkins D +
Smith B
Zeitler B
Faine F
Boling B+
whit B+
Gresh C
Charles C-
Geathers C
Dunlap C+
Atkins A +
Peko C+
Johnson B
Lawson D +
Mauluga C
Burfict B-
Nelson B -
Clements C
Hall C+
Newman B -
Jones C+
Nugent C+
Huber B

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Old 11-08-2012, 03:14 PM
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Why is Dalton only a C-?

It's because of the picks, isn't it? Nevermind the fact that he's a 2nd year quarterback with only one weapon and a ****-poor line and he's being asked to shoulder the franchise - definitely a below average QB.
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Old 11-08-2012, 03:16 PM
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Why is Dalton only a C-?

It's because of the picks, isn't it? Nevermind the fact that he's a 2nd year quarterback with only one weapon and a ****-poor line and he's being asked to shoulder the franchise - definitely a below average QB.
everyone on the line grades out a B or better except for center. Hes getting a pass with the C- due to lack of a number 2 or running game. I didnt give lawfirm as much of a pass.
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Old 11-08-2012, 03:48 PM
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Why is Dalton only a C-?

It's because of the picks, isn't it? Nevermind the fact that he's a 2nd year quarterback with only one weapon and a ****-poor line and he's being asked to shoulder the franchise - definitely a below average QB.
You can't look at it that way. Even smart people have bad performances on tests.

So far, Andy's performance has been sub-par. We're not comparing him to rookies and 2nd year players, we're comparing him to all of the NFL QBs.

I'd say it's an accurate grade. That doesn't mean I would get rid of him, just like I wouldn't get rid of AJ after his F performance vs. Pittsburgh.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:04 PM
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Why is Dalton only a C-?

It's because of the picks, isn't it? Nevermind the fact that he's a 2nd year quarterback with only one weapon and a ****-poor line and he's being asked to shoulder the franchise - definitely a below average QB.
He's a C- for all the reasons you just named, answering your own question. OP didn't say anything about his potential. He's judging his performance based on what he's done. And his play hasn't been stellar due to the issues you've supplied yourself. Fix those and his grade improves based on his ability.

BTW..how is our line so poor when most rankings I've seen have the Bengals Oline ranked in the top third in the NFL.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:13 PM
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AJ Green is only a B? The dude is having a top 3 WR year AT LEAST.

Dalton is underrated, because he has no #2 Wideout and no line help at all. Oh yeah, and no running game, and some bad luck INTs.

Anyone on the line deserves a C at best right now.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:21 PM
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I know Law firm hasn't done much, but the guy is not a 25 carry 100 plus runner. He's a short yeardage specialist that we brought in here to be a horse and with this suspect O-line, I don;t know how much blame he deserves.
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Dalton is a tad over-rated, He has AJ Green out there and still looks average.


Before someone plays the card of "he doesn't have a #2 WR," I might point out that he has several solid receiving options that are not WR's, like GE, Peermen, Pressley, and both TE's. All have higher receiving percentages than most of the WR's, minus Gresham who has some butter fingers.


Do I think Dalton is bad, or done? No, but he is having a bad year, regardless of excused made by the fans.
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:31 PM
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Dalton C
lawfirm D+
Pressley D
Green B +
Binns D
Tate D
Hawkins D +
Smith B
Zeitler B
Faine D-
Boling B+
whit B+
Gresh C
Charles C-
Geathers C
Dunlap C+
Atkins A-
Peko C+
Johnson C+
Lawson D
Mauluga D +
Burfict B-
Nelson B
Clements C
Hall C+
Newman C+
Jones C+
Nugent C+
Huber B-
AJ doesn't get an A? Why not? Other than throwing and catching the ball, what more could he do?.
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:46 PM
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Dalton is a tad over-rated, He has AJ Green out there and still looks average.


Before someone plays the card of "he doesn't have a #2 WR," I might point out that he has several solid receiving options that are not WR's, like GE, Peermen, Pressley, and both TE's. All have higher receiving percentages than most of the WR's, minus Gresham who has some butter fingers.


Do I think Dalton is bad, or done? No, but he is having a bad year, regardless of excused made by the fans.
I am worried about Dalton. We are hoping he somehow turns out like Brees but without having Sean Peyton coach him? Thats a stretch. I think his height/arm strength limitations will not allow him to become great. Maybe if he had better coaching I might be optimistic but not with this staff.

Look at Luck - you can see how good he is nd how great he will become. He also has the physical attributes that Dalton doesn't have. I don't think he has a great #2 WR either.

People say Dalton will be a top QB but I just dont see it...
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:06 PM
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AJ doesn't get an A? Why not? Other than throwing and catching the ball, what more could he do?.
Agreed on AJ, guy has 51 catches for 735 yds and 8 TDs, at a midway point, and that only warrants a B+.....Crazy!

Only other one I got a problem with is Michael Johnson as well. Guys has 24 tackles, 6 sacks, 1 INT, 1 FR, 3 PD and gets a C+. Not saying he is an A, but at least a B.
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Tate's grade should be higher for return skills alone

AJ should easily be given an A

MJ has outperformed Carlos this year; why do they get the same grade?


Outside of that, not too far off.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:24 PM
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Yeah agree with couple things noted above.

MJ > Dunlap easily this season.
AJ easily an A. Dalton is right at C.
Faine gets an F, even for free agent backup.
Boling a C.
Binns/Tate D @ WR
Geno an A.
Oh yeah Boling > Zeitler??? Cmon that is a joke. Zeitler is way better than Boling.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:34 PM
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I'd say Zeitler deserves a B+ or A-. He has played fantastic this year, looks like a stud pick so far.

Green I'd say an A as well.

Give Faine an F. Big fat F.

Bump Tate up for return production, he has done well this year.

Other than that, no disagreements.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:55 PM
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Football is a team sport and must be graded on team progress.

Conventional math requires a team winning percentage of 56.25% or a 9-7 record to be considered a sucessful season. Currently, our winning percentage is 37.5% so we are roughly 66% of that goal which puts our grade at a 66.

A 66 is a D on most grading scales.

I'm going to have to give us a D.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:58 PM
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AJ Green is only a B? The dude is having a top 3 WR year AT LEAST.

Dalton is underrated, because he has no #2 Wideout and no line help at all. Oh yeah, and no running game, and some bad luck INTs.

Anyone on the line deserves a C at best right now.
Dalton might have a 2 if he would spread the ball around, and look the field over, there was receivers running open Sunday, and he didn't even look their way, he needs to scan the field.
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:07 PM
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Dalton might have a 2 if he would spread the ball around, and look the field over, there was receivers running open Sunday, and he didn't even look their way, he needs to scan the field.
I agree. He doesn't always get through his progressions. Sometimes, he kinda locks in, sometimes he doesn't have time to look around. Everybody involved has to be better. There's one guy playing at a consistently high level on the offense. His names rhymes with Hey, Hey.
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AJ deserved an A - I was wrong to give him a b+ your right M johnson deserved a B - not a c+. I stand by boling being good on offensive line.
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running game a F
QB a B -
AJ a A
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QB a B -
AJ a A
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AJ deserved an A - I was wrong to give him a b+ your right M johnson deserved a B - not a c+. I stand by boling being good on offensive line.
AJ deserved an A and nothing less. You gave a B+ to a dude that is 6th in yards and T-1st with 8 TDs??? You gotta be crazy.
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AJ deserved an A and nothing less. You gave a B+ to a dude that is 6th in yards and T-1st with 8 TDs??? You gotta be crazy.
the only linebacker who makes tackles on initial contact only got a B- Burfict would be worthy of that B+ seeing how poorly everyone else has done at linebacker, not to mention for an undrafted rookie too
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Why is Dalton only a C-?

It's because of the picks, isn't it? Nevermind the fact that he's a 2nd year quarterback with only one weapon and a ****-poor line and he's being asked to shoulder the franchise - definitely a below average QB.
Agreed. I don't get the lack of support for the Red Rifle. He is on pace to break Palmer's single season passing record with one WR that is better than Palmer's corps. He doesn't have a Rudi, either. Half of Dalton's INTs were not his fault, either. Look back at them. When Gruden used ALL his weapons with more than 5 yard out patterns, Dalton had a 100+ QB rating and carved up the Redskins.

I was waiting with baited breath for Marvin Jones, then....injured. I still believe Mo Sanu can help until Jones is 100% and then rotate them.

Dont disagree with too much else, other than Hawkins(D+) and Orson Charles (C-). I give them both B+. You can only perform when given opportunities and they have made the most of that. My rating for Dalton would be a B+ as well.

I would give Marvin Lewis a D+, Gurden a B-, and Zim a D-.

These grades can dramatically change by the end of the year, as Zim is coming off his best game.
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everyone on the line grades out a B or better except for center. Hes getting a pass with the C- due to lack of a number 2 or running game. I didnt give lawfirm as much of a pass.
Except for Center, huh? Kind of an important exception? That's like saying: "She's a 10, but she weighs 350 lbs".
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the only linebacker who makes tackles on initial contact only got a B- Burfict would be worthy of that B+ seeing how poorly everyone else has done at linebacker, not to mention for an undrafted rookie too
Yes, sorry, missed Burfict. He is their best LB as an undrafted rookie. He has made a huge impact and minimized the impact of a key loss (Howard). Now, if only the Center position had been filled as effectively.
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