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Old 11-11-2012, 08:18 PM
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Peerman. BJGE has ZERO upside. He kills our offense with not having atleast a chance to break a long run. Peerman may not be Adrien Peterson, but he atleast has a CHANCE to break a run. How could he be worse than BJGE? Could you imagine how our offense would click if defenses even respected our running game? Unfortunatly I think it would take BJGE getting hurt to give Peerman the Lions share of the carries, but if/when he does, we will be a better offense for it.
Sanu can and will have a huge impact. I still go BJGE over Peerman but Peerman earned some more touches today!
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I think he should get the ball a lot more, he runs hard and from today looks like he can catch the ball,
Think he averaged about 3.5 YPC
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You know what you are going to get with Ellis: anywhere between 3.0-3.5 yards per carry. Peerman still has a better avg and I just want to see what he could do with more carries. If he fizzles fine but really I think he could prove to be more effective than Ellis.
3.3 to 3.5

Really? You're gonna make that argument based on today?
Peerman's best run as a pro was on a fake punt.
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I think we can all agree that there is not a suitable starting RB on this team.

Free agency or the draft will fill that need.
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I think we can all agree that there is not a suitable starting RB on this team.

Free agency or the draft will fill that need.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:27 PM
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I get sick of BJGE trying to find the edge and taking a B line to the sidelines. There are times when he can cut inside and he just doesn't do it. It seems to be this way every single game.

Why you ask are people complaining about it?

Because every game our O isn't going to have the luxury of the short field. Also some games our pass game may get shut down.

It would be nice to know there is a consistent ground game you can depend on when you need it.
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I get sick of BJGE trying to find the edge
I agree, it is almost comical watching Ben trying to run outside.

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Old 11-11-2012, 08:30 PM
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3.3 to 3.5

Really? You're gonna make that argument based on today?
Peerman's best run as a pro was on a fake punt.
No I'm taking into his account his average this year without the 48 yard fake punt. He has 12 carries for 56 yards. That's good for a 4.6 average. I would take that over Ellis' 3.4 any day of the week.
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No I'm taking into his account his average this year without the 48 yard fake punt. He has 12 carries for 56 yards. That's good for a 4.6 average. I would take that over Ellis' 3.4 any day of the week.
How many carries?
Did any of them come in garbage time?

Seriously. There is more to it than just raw numbers
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:45 PM
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How many carries?
Did any of them come in garbage time?

Seriously. There is more to it than just raw numbers
12 carries. Exactly that. I just want to see more carries from him because I think he can be a slight upgrade from Green Ellis. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:49 PM
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You know what you are going to get with Ellis: anywhere between 3.0-3.5 yards per carry. Peerman still has a better avg and I just want to see what he could do with more carries. If he fizzles fine but really I think he could prove to be more effective than Ellis.
REPS!!! That is just it. BJGE is a poormans Benson! He reminds me of Rudi at the end of his tenure. Peerman IS a more explosive back than BJGE so why not atleast have a chance to pop one. Not to mention that Grudens Offense NEEDS a RB to have receptions and YAC. Peerman is better suited for this offense. Period.
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Peerman has busted his behind here for 3 years on ST he deserves the carries he got and a lot more.Not saying get rid of BJGE he has his role short yardage and a share of the carries so one guy does not get worn down by the time playoffs roll around.
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I think he can be a slight upgrade from Green Ellis.
Dude there's a chance you would be a slight upgrade from Green Ellis.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:54 PM
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Dude there's a chance you would be a slight upgrade from Green Ellis.
I could straight ball out there I just decided a while back I want to keep a low profile.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:57 PM
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REPS!!! That is just it. BJGE is a poormans Benson! He reminds me of Rudi at the end of his tenure. Peerman IS a more explosive back than BJGE so why not atleast have a chance to pop one. Not to mention that Grudens Offense NEEDS a RB to have receptions and YAC. Peerman is better suited for this offense. Period.
Exactly. Marv and Gruden better not wait until later in the season to figure that out.

That's why Sanu and Hawkins could be that RB/WR combo to mix in with Peerman to get them into the middle for easy catches and perhaps turn them into longer plays.

Gresham HAS to be getting enough attention to pull either a LB or Safety away from spots.

I think Marvin doesn't have to look to far to see what to do. Ray Rice runs sometimes... and sometimes he's the middle option for the pass.

No I'm not comparing any of these guys to Ray Rice. It's about the actual plays involved.
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I want to see more of Peerman. BJGE is extremely underwhelming. I'd also say that to truly judge a RB you need to see them shoulder the workload. RB's need reps. They need to get into the flow of the game. Give Peerman the lionshare of work for a game and see how he does. I'd bet that he is more impressive than BJGE (which isnt saying much).
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How many carries?
Did any of them come in garbage time?

Seriously. There is more to it than just raw numbers
http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playby...11004&period=0

Press and hold Control then F. Type 'Peerman'.

4 runs on a 7:46 minute drive that led to a FG in the 2nd quarter netting 17 yards.

Then 2 runs at the beginning of the 4th quarter netting 4 yards.

Not garbage.

Haven't watched the game yet though.
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Dude there's a chance you would be a slight upgrade from Green Ellis.
Yes, BJGE has 1 gear and it's low and slow.
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I think we can all agree that there is not a suitable starting RB on this team.

Free agency or the draft will fill that need.
Beat me to it.

But as we stand right now, I'd start Peerman over BJGE. Like others have said, Peerman has a nice burst, BJGE has none.
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I can't wait to see a new RB next year its really what we are missing on Offense
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REPS!!! That is just it. BJGE is a poormans Benson! He reminds me of Rudi at the end of his tenure. Peerman IS a more explosive back than BJGE so why not atleast have a chance to pop one. Not to mention that Grudens Offense NEEDS a RB to have receptions and YAC. Peerman is better suited for this offense. Period.


Could Benson run east and west like Green-Ellis or was it always north and south?

Did Benson have any moves other than lowering his head? Green-Ellis does.

Could Benson catch out of the backfield like Green-Ellis does?

Could Benson run routes like Green-Ellis does?
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It's not time for a drastic move like benching Green Ellis, but we should definitely get Peerman more carries. Is there a good reason not to?
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I've been a fan of Peerman from go, but not because I think he's great or anything. He reminds me of James Johnson. He's an average NFL back. Somewhat fast, quick, explosive and runs hard but nothing special.
But like I said earlier in the room BenGreen is the bottom of the barrel, not to hard to replace slow, head down, eyes closed, straight foward....ask N.E.
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Peerman gets the ball and goes. I think BJGE could be the 3rd down back but that's it he does seem to get first downs when it's short yardage. How bout Sanu running out of the backfield yesterday that was kind of cool. I know Hawk is small but I wonder if he could get a few carries or screeen.
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Forget all of them. We do not have a NFL Quality RB on this team. They are all below average, at their best.

We need a RB.

Did any of you see Chris Ivory's 56 yard TD run yesterday? He used speed, power, and moves all on one run. It should have been a 1-3 yard run, but instead ended up a 56 yard TD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1uK0_mHdKA

That is why several of us have been screaming for a trade.

Here is his highlites, and he has one almost every game he has played in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmYPj9a_bF8

That is the type of RB we need.
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