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Old 11-17-2012, 01:58 PM
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I think a lot of it has to do with the line and playcalling.


Not saying the GE is a great back, but that injuries haven't done much to put him in a position to succeed. Couple that with uncreative playcalling and d-lines cheating inside since they know he doesn't have the speed to get outside, then this is what occurs.


He's Rudi Johnson without the all star o-line.
He wishes he could carry Rudi's jock.
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How cute a nickname is that.
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:02 PM
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It's not the line, it's Ben's inability to do anything outside the tackles. His average per carry is as follows:
Wide Right- 3.2
Right- 4.4
Middle- 3.7
Left- 4.0
Wide Left- 2.5

Also all 3 of his TDs have come running between the tackles.

Folks didn't like Ced but he could at least he could bounce it outside. His worst YPC last year was middle (AKA the blocking) at 2.5. His best was wide left at 6.0 including 2 TDs.
This is what I get tired of seeing. BJGE trying to find the outside wide left. 2.5 doesn't surprise me. It almost seems like he's running to the sidelines than hitting any openings on the way. It almost reminds me of a player trying to stop the clock when we have no time-outs.

Just horrible.
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:02 PM
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- Currently Law Firm is 10th in carries, but is only 15th in 1st downs, and 19th in yardage.

- Of 24 RBs with 100+ carries, Law Firm is 23rd in ypc. Only McFadden is worse.

- Of those 24 RBs with over 100 carries, only Law Firm and Ryan Matthews have only a single 20+ yard run (Law Firm's was exactly 20 yards)

- Our leading rusher has not averaged less than 3.5 per carry since 1993. In fact, Ced Benson is the only RB to average less than 3.8 for a season during that span (he averaged 3.5 ypc in both '08 and '10). Law Firm is currently averaging 3.42.

People may blow this off as hyperbole, but I seriously think Law Firm may be the worst starting RB the Bengals have ever had. He's that bad. I really didn't think we could do worse than 3.5 Benson, but apparently we found just the guy.
I don't know Chris Perry was a real gem during his brief time as a starter. The Patriots used BJGE like they use a lot of players. They find their strengths and play to them. Had Ridley been healthy last year they would not have used BJGE as much a lead back.

Team player, has some strengths, backup. They really were counting on B. Scott for that commitee, once he went down that foiled the plans. Really suprised they didn't try and replace that aspect but don't think there was many options.
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:04 PM
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This is what I get tired of seeing. BJGE trying to find the outside wide left. 2.5 doesn't surprise me. It almost seems like he's running to the sidelines than hitting any openings on the way. It almost reminds me of a player trying to stop the clock when we have no time-outs.

Just horrible.
The part i liked best this year, or i should say, made me laugh hardest, was when he burst through a huge hole earlier this year.....and made a sharp left, right into a defender.
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Getting rid of Benson was the right move but then we made the wrong by not addressing the RB position seriously enough. Leonard and Scott are garbage and we waited a year too late to replace them as usual with this front office.

Green Ellis is great for what he is. A compliment back. He has a lot of great assests but not the right assests to be a primary back.
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:09 PM
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The part i liked best this year, or i should say, made me laugh hardest, was when he burst through a huge hole earlier this year.....and made a sharp left, right into a defender.
I honestly don't think he has the field vision to make the cuts to the hole(s).

It almost seems like he runs with these on.



To be fair to BJGE. It's just not who he is. However they should throw him the damn ball in the middle of the field every once in a while.
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The part i liked best this year, or i should say, made me laugh hardest, was when he burst through a huge hole earlier this year.....and made a sharp left, right into a defender.
Lol, I know he gets past the LOS and then is so suprised he doesn't know where to go.
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:17 PM
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Everybody has a valid point here, IMHO. I agree with Rugby, but I see Shake's and bfine's points too. He's not that great a fit for our offense.If we'd spread the field, he might do better. But I'm not even sure of that.

I don't know why, but it just seems like our running plays under Marvin have always seemed like they take 5 years to to develop. Our QBs seem to hold the ball out for our backs to take the handoff and it looks like slow motion. It gives opposing Ds too much time to react. Unless we have an ALL-PRO / HOF OLine, I don't think we'll ever be successful with this running scheme. It won't matter who we have running the ball.

But it's obvious that BJGE isn't "the guy." I'm just not sure there is a guy who could be THAT successful here.
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:20 PM
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I am also completely puzzled by his inability to shake defenders. I knew he wasn't an elusive RB but the way he runs is like a FB. That first game against the Ravens he actually looked really good, but then the fumbles started to occur and it changed his whole mindset from making defenders miss to hold on to the ball regardless of YPC. I really think those fumbles f'd with him because he isn't the same back he was that first game.
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:24 PM
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Everybody has a valid point here, IMHO. I agree with Rugby, but I see Shake's and bfine's points too. He's not that great a fit for our offense.If we'd spread the field, he might do better. But I'm not even sure of that.

I don't know why, but it just seems like our running plays under Marvin have always seemed like they take 5 years to to develop. Our QBs seem to hold the ball out for our backs to take the handoff and it looks like slow motion. It gives opposing Ds too much time to react. Unless we have an ALL-PRO / HOF OLine, I don't think we'll ever be successful with this running scheme. It won't matter who we have running the ball.

But it's obvious that BJGE isn't "the guy." I'm just not sure there is a guy who could be THAT successful here.
Why is that? Is it in hope that one day someone will fall for the play-action?

I just don't get why the ball is held out like that by the QB no matter who it is. The old straight arm hand off.

You'd think watching football it would seem normal. However it seems like I really only notice it watching the Bengals.
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:27 PM
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Why is that? Is it in hope that one day someone will fall for the play-action?

I just don't get why the ball is held out like that by the QB no matter who it is. The old straight arm hand off.

You'd think watching football it would seem normal. However it seems like I really only notice it watching the Bengals.
But our QBs never hold the ball out like that on play action, which is why it's such a give away.

I'm just glad I'm not nuts, that someone else has noticed it too.
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:30 PM
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He only averaged 3.7 ypc at NE last season as well.

His replacement Ridley is now averaging a full yard better this year at 4.7.

He is not the future imo.
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Every Tuesday I keep hoping we bring somebody in for a look-see and I go to bed disappointed. We;ve done it in the past (Ced, LJ); I just have no idea why we don't this year.
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But our QBs never hold the ball out like that on play action, which is why it's such a give away.

I'm just glad I'm not nuts, that someone else has noticed it too.
Probably because with that slo-mo move by the time you go through the motions it's too late to set and actually make a throw.

The real question is that on the QB coach or the RB coach?

You'd think the topic would come up in watching the game tape.
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I think a lot of it has to do with the line and playcalling.


Not saying the GE is a great back, but that injuries haven't done much to put him in a position to succeed. Couple that with uncreative playcalling and d-lines cheating inside since they know he doesn't have the speed to get outside, then this is what occurs.


He's Rudi Johnson without the all star o-line.
How dare you put him in same sentence as Rudi. Rudi even went to a better sec school. Rudi has same birthdate as me. Rudi is a former Pro Bowler Idc what his OL was like BJGE *****
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I have a pretty strong opinion on the whole BJGE problem. I could sit here and complain about how bad he is, or I could point out the actual reason that our run game *****: the coaches. It's a FACT that Green-Ellis was a short yardage back that got into the endzone (as evidenced by his 3.7 ypc/11 TDs last season) No one ever said he was a feature back.

Fact is, it's our coaches fault for expecting him to be a productive every down back. For some reason they expected a short-yardage back to come in and revive the run game? I don't get it... He's a straight ahead runner that gets the tough yardage; that's just how he's built. I blame the coaches for 1) not having a better backup plan, and 2) not letter Peerman or Leonard get more carries.
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Everybody has a valid point here, IMHO. I agree with Rugby, but I see Shake's and bfine's points too. He's not that great a fit for our offense.If we'd spread the field, he might do better. But I'm not even sure of that.

I don't know why, but it just seems like our running plays under Marvin have always seemed like they take 5 years to to develop. Our QBs seem to hold the ball out for our backs to take the handoff and it looks like slow motion. It gives opposing Ds too much time to react. Unless we have an ALL-PRO / HOF OLine, I don't think we'll ever be successful with this running scheme. It won't matter who we have running the ball.

But it's obvious that BJGE isn't "the guy." I'm just not sure there is a guy who could be THAT successful here.
YEP! I always cringe when I see that slow-motion handoff. It takes forever, and eliminates any chance for the QB to fake the handof - rollout or play action. The only other place I've seen that kind of handoff is flag-football. Hooray for our QB coach.
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Oh my god! A short yardage specialist has a low YPC because he got thrust into a position he wasn't made for?! INSANITY!! Up is down! Left is right! Cats and dogs living together! Mass hysteria!

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I think a lot of it has to do with his lack of speed to go outside and having Faine in there at center. Losing Wharton didnt help either as his specialty was supposed to be run-blocking though Boling isnt bad. Basically, I thought BJGE would be having a better year as I thought it would be due to the o-line being improved over last year. Since the latter hasn't happened due to injuries while BJGE just doesnt "have it" apparently, this is the result.

But why the organization didn't try to make a move before the trade deadline to get another running back is just a head-scratcher. Well not a head-scratcher considering, but still, I just don't get them. If BJGE would have gotten hurt before the trade deadline, I bet Boom would have got called up instead.
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i can't say i'm TOO disappointed in him because it feels like forever since we've had a really dynamic back on the team.

the dude's converting 3rd downs. move the chains and i'm happy.
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He is doing fine between the tackles. We need a guy who can hit the outside. Ben is getting too many carries because of injuries.
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So last year the problem was Benson and Scott both ******. Now this year it's because Green-Ellis *****. And next year I'm sure it will be some other RB's fault...

Blame everyone but the O-Line.

What happened to all the morons who claim that running backs are a dime a dozen?
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He is doing fine between the tackles. We need a guy who can hit the outside. Ben is getting too many carries because of injuries.
Peerman has not been injured all year.His spot on this team is RB if they need to take some of the load off of him why not hand it to the only other healthy RB on the team.
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i can't say i'm TOO disappointed in him because it feels like forever since we've had a really dynamic back on the team.

the dude's converting 3rd downs. move the chains and i'm happy.
As much as it pains me I agree with this statement.BJGE YPC was under 4 on the pats we brought him in for ball security and short yardage picking up 3rd and 1 or 3rd and 2.He does that job well I knew he was going to fumble the ball and end his streak while playing for us but he still does that part of his job well too.I hope he is here next year I just hope they use him right as a number 2 back.That is why we would be better off this year running Peerman the only guy that can stay healthy and has a chance to break a big run off as the 1st string back and BJGE supporting him.
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