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Very quickly coming down to a race between Geno and JJ Watt.
Watt is on a team that is all but locked into the playoffs and first round bye.
That alone gives him the edge.
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Very quickly coming down to a race between Geno and JJ Watt.
Watt is on a team that is all but locked into the playoffs and first round bye.
That alone gives him the edge.
That. And you know, Cincinnati...
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That. And you know, Cincinnati...
After reading the article, that's a fun little comment the OP added
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Also, am I crazy or do we need to be cautious of the "Geno Effect" when it comes to evaluating our own talents now?

A lot of guys on the DL are having big years (in their own standards) rushing the QB. And most of them are going to be FA. Gilberry, Geathers and Johnson are all outperforming their career norms. We really need to be cautious with re-signing them because of the Geno-Effect. Really evaluate their play. Don't need a Ray Edwards situation here.
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Also, am I crazy or do we need to be cautious of the "Geno Effect" when it comes to evaluating our own talents now?

A lot of guys on the DL are having big years (in their own standards) rushing the QB. And most of them are going to be FA. Gilberry, Geathers and Johnson are all outperforming their career norms. We really need to be cautious with re-signing them because of the Geno-Effect. Really evaluate their play. Don't need a Ray Edwards situation here.
I don't really follow how this "Effect" hurts us. Normally that would apply to other teams trying to sign our FAs not us. If we bring them back and they still have Geno then in theory they should perform at the same level or close to. If they left for another team then they may see the same results of Ray Edwards. I think this hurts other teams trying to scalp our guys more so than us.
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I don't really follow how this "Effect" hurts us. Normally that would apply to other teams trying to sign our FAs not us. If we bring them back and they still have Geno then in theory they should perform at the same level or close to. If they left for another team then they may see the same results of Ray Edwards. I think this hurts other teams trying to scalp our guys more so than us.
Well, it would hurt us to overpay to keep our own guys outside of Geno if they truly only benefit from him. We shouldn't overpay to keep them if their success is tied to Geno we should replace them with cheaper equal talent.
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We first started grading every player on every play back in 2008. Since then Iíve seen a lot of very good seasons and quite a few great ones. But I havenít seen anything like this from a defensive tackle. Atkins already has a grade of +49.1, putting the previous best grade of Kyle Williams in 2010 (+44.2) to shame. Heís done that by making play after play in every phase of the game, with this being one instance where the stats do not lie. I mean take a look at the following accomplishments;

- With 51 quarterback disruptions has more combined sacks, hits and hurries through 12 games than any DT has managed in a season since we started grading.

- Leads all defensive tackles with 21 defensive stops in the run game.

- Has the highest pass rushing productivity score of all defensive tackles. His score is bettered by only five defenders in the league, and J.J. Watt isnít one of them.

Words canít do justice to how much of an achievement that last one is. Defensive tackles arenít meant to create that much pressure, and defensive ends would kill for those numbers. His consistency (heís graded positively in every game this year) is off the charts.
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Well, it would hurt us to overpay to keep our own guys outside of Geno if they truly only benefit from him. We shouldn't overpay to keep them if their success is tied to Geno we should replace them with cheaper equal talent.
Then you run the risk of them not being a result of the Geno factor and other guys not providing the same production. That is the tough decision that must be made.
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Geno is our #1 priority to resign......he can't be like Joseph!
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Geno is our #1 priority to resign......he can't be like Joseph!
He will get his big contract..... How big depends on him Hopefully we can get him to stay for about 8-9 mil a year so we can keep this DL in tact (although this DL will get expensive quick)
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Very quickly coming down to a race between Geno and JJ Watt.
Watt is on a team that is all but locked into the playoffs and first round bye.
That alone gives him the edge.
cant forget about aldon smith to for the 49ers guys a beast...i think geno is by far the best interior lineman of the league though and should be atleast considered
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cant forget about aldon smith to for the 49ers guys a beast...i think geno is by far the best interior lineman of the league though and should be atleast considered
Watts and Smith have more sacks... But neither are doing it from the unglamourous DT position like Geno.
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He will get his big contract..... How big depends on him Hopefully we can get him to stay for about 8-9 mil a year so we can keep this DL in tact (although this DL will get expensive quick)
I outlined a potential deal for him in a mock I did.

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Geno Atkins - 5 years, $60 million, $27 million signing bonus.
For 2013:
Base - 6.6 million
Bonus - 5.4 million
Cap hit - 12 million
How I came up with the numbers:
Haloti Ngata, who I believe is one of the best defensive players in the NFL, signed a 5 year $61 million contract. While Geno may be the best interior DL in the NFL, they don't make as much as pass rushers and this deal would still be a top paid contract for an interior DL.
To determine the signing bonus, I used the contract of another top interior lineman in Vince Wilfork. He got 45% of his deal in guaranteed money. Ngata only got 40% in guarantees.
The 6.6 base is assuming he agrees to even dispersion over a front-loaded or back-loaded deal, thus saving money for the likes of AJ and Andy down the road. Gives him a bigger chunk up front. (Still gives him one of the highest total for an interior defensive lineman) I also ignored rookie contracts from before the wage scale took place.
http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/...ensive-tackle/
So if you go off of what guys like Ngata, Tommy Kelley and such.
Just hypothetical...
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I outlined a potential deal for him in a mock I did.



So if you go off of what guys like Ngata, Tommy Kelley and such.
Just hypothetical...
The franchise tag for a DT is projected to be somewhere around $8 million. He will easily get that on average.
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cant forget about aldon smith to for the 49ers guys a beast...i think geno is by far the best interior lineman of the league though and should be atleast considered
Except he isn't even the best player on his own defense.
The sack numbers are far too overrated right now.
He isn't as disruptive on the run as Geno.
He gets a ton of sacks when J. Smith flushes the QB out or he is just unblocked.
Geno is never unblocked, never gets a QB flushed to him.

If you compare their impacts over the course of a game, Geno is the most disruptive player on defense alongside JJ Watt
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I outlined a potential deal for him in a mock I did.



So if you go off of what guys like Ngata, Tommy Kelley and such.
Just hypothetical...
yeah if we can pay out a lot in the first year (having this extra money roll over will help with that) and get his average for the years after at a slightly lower rate...

Resign MJ and AS Thomas Howard this year...... (with geno) then work on Dalton Green Gresham the next... we can keep at least the core of this group together.
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The franchise tag for a DT is projected to be somewhere around $8 million. He will easily get that on average.
He will be getting 12 annually with that deal. I see no reason it couldn't be structured that way (maybe different $$ amounts).

Ngata gets 10 mil per by taking a lower base and more guaranteed. Like we would do with Geno to make signing Dalton and Green easier in 2 years.

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yeah if we can pay out a lot in the first year (having this extra money roll over will help with that) and get his average for the years after at a slightly lower rate...

Resign MJ and AS Thomas Howard this year...... (with geno) then work on Dalton Green Gresham the next... we can keep at least the core of this group together.
Agreed. This is the year to do it.
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Watts and Smith have more sacks... But neither are doing it from the unglamourous DT position like Geno.
id agree with that but its so difficult for a DT to win that award...i think sapp was the last one to do it in '99...which you can easily make the camparisons with geno and sapp but i think they will go with one of the Pass rushers like watt or smith just like you said DT is such and unglamourous position

but we will see he is by far our best player on Defense i think we can all agree on that

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Geno is our #1 priority to resign......he can't be like Joseph!
I agree, this guy is a FORCE!!!
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Except he isn't even the best player on his own defense.
The sack numbers are far too overrated right now.
He isn't as disruptive on the run as Geno.
He gets a ton of sacks when J. Smith flushes the QB out or he is just unblocked.
Geno is never unblocked, never gets a QB flushed to him.

If you compare their impacts over the course of a game, Geno is the most disruptive player on defense alongside JJ Watt
true but didnt suggs win it last year and basically did the same thing that aldon smith does? plays in a good D and benefits from it? you can argue that with houstons D too with watt? im not sayin these guys arnt good players on their own but they have a really great D around them... and your right justin smith does cause A.smith to get sacks and is disruptive too so we should probably but his name in there to for DPOY imo

there have been occations where the QB had to step up and geno was there to finish him off im taking anything away from geno here it but when plays break down and the qb has to avoid the outside rush from our DEs and steps up geno is there to finish him off

i hope geno does win it just think it will be tough...but hes got another 5 games to prove he is the best defensive player in the nfl

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Great read, although all of it was pretty much known for us Bengal fans

Geno definitely deserves to be a contender for the DPOY award. I hope Mike offers him enough to stay with us after next year, as he is one of our leaders on defense. Dude plays with an outstanding motor. One word: BEAST!
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true but didnt suggs win it last year and basically did the same thing that aldon smith does? plays in a good D and benefits from it? you can argue that with houstons D too with watt? im not sayin these guys arnt good players on their own but they have a really great D around them... and your right justin smith does cause A.smith to get sacks and is disruptive too so we should probably but his name in there to for DPOY imo

there have been occations where the QB had to step up and geno was there to finish him off im taking anything away from geno here it but when plays break down and the qb has to avoid the outside rush from our DEs and steps up geno is there to finish him off

i hope geno does win it just think it will be tough...but hes got another 5 games to prove he is the best defensive player in the nfl

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Suggs was the most disruptive player on defense last year.
Ngata is historically better IMO but last year Suggs was better.

Watt IS the Geno of that defense. Saying Watt excels because of the others is like saying Geno excels because of Peko and MJ.
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Suggs was the most disruptive player on defense last year.
Ngata is historically better IMO but last year Suggs was better.

Watt IS the Geno of that defense. Saying Watt excels because of the others is like saying Geno excels because of Peko and MJ.
yeah i agree i just hope they dont sleep on geno because hes in a small market he is one of if not the most disruptive players in the game
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