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Old 11-26-2012, 10:30 PM
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Just wondering Devon Still has been inactive because of an injury or a numbers game. Still was really starting to play solid before Sims came back and now he's inactive. It's pretty upsetting that 3 out of the first 5 picks have had little to no impact with Kirkpatrick, Still, and Thompson. I know when we drafted these 3 that they were gonna take some time to develope, but their were several picks we could've made to make this team much better.
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Just wondering Devon Still has been inactive because of an injury or a numbers game. Still was really starting to play solid before Sims came back and now he's inactive. It's pretty upsetting that 3 out of the first 5 picks have had little to no impact with Kirkpatrick, Still, and Thompson. I know when we drafted these 3 that they were gonna take some time to develope, but their were several picks we could've made to make this team much better.
Because of Sims.

He was a bit banged up, but apparently we don't need him.
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:32 PM
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Still was effective when he played but isn't what we need. Id just as soon see Gilberry not dress and Still get those reps.
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Just wondering Devon Still has been inactive because of an injury or a numbers game. Still was really starting to play solid before Sims came back and now he's inactive. It's pretty upsetting that 3 out of the first 5 picks have had little to no impact with Kirkpatrick, Still, and Thompson. I know when we drafted these 3 that they were gonna take some time to develope, but their were several picks we could've made to make this team much better.
Still and Thompson got great reps while sims was out will pay off for them if there is another injury or next year.
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Still was effective when he played but isn't what we need. Id just as soon see Gilberry not dress and Still get those reps.
really? I thought Gilberry was playing solid football, not great, but solid. He really helps out in our rotation. I liked what I saw from Still earlier on, but he's had trouble getting off of blocks. Not all the time, but enough to worry. I really hope Still becomes a great player eventually.
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really? I thought Gilberry was playing solid football, not great, but solid. He really helps out in our rotation. I liked what I saw from Still earlier on, but he's had trouble getting off of blocks. Not all the time, but enough to worry. I really hope Still becomes a great player eventually.
One of the hardest positions to translate to the NFL is DT. It is about brute strength at times and the younger guys need time to build it up. He will get there. He has shown some great burst into the pocket.

Gilberry has played alright but I sort of attribute it to the "Geno-Effect"
Geno makes a lot of guys look a lot better than they really are.
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One of the hardest positions to translate to the NFL is DT. It is about brute strength at times and the younger guys need time to build it up. He will get there. He has shown some great burst into the pocket.

Gilberry has played alright but I sort of attribute it to the "Geno-Effect"
Geno makes a lot of guys look a lot better than they really are.
you are very correct in saying that DT is one of the hardest positions to translate to the NFL. I hope that you are right about Still as well. He definitely showed burst, but his strength is what I worry about.

And about the "Geno-effect"...MJ...nuff said.
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One of the hardest positions to translate to the NFL is DT. It is about brute strength at times and the younger guys need time to build it up. He will get there. He has shown some great burst into the pocket.

Gilberry has played alright but I sort of attribute it to the "Geno-Effect"
Geno makes a lot of guys look a lot better than they really are.
Agreed, DT's in college can dominate because they are bigger and stronger then most Olinmen. I think it is a great problem to have, let these two build up. I hope one of them can take over for Peko eventually.

Gilberry has been a nice addition and good find IMO, Geno really makes most look better then they are.

Everyone is just playing really good football and yes we have played some bad teams, but they were dominate against those teams all but one quarter.
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I know when we drafted these 3 that they were gonna take some time to develope, but their were several picks we could've made to make this team much better.
Kirkpatrick was slowed by injury, and Sanu and Zeitler are starting and playing great.

How many teams are getting more production from their top picks?

What players were taken later than #53 (Still) that would have made this team so much better? Lavonte David is playing well, but I'd rather have Burfict.
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I'd be willing to bet that Still and Thompson were picked up to add depth to DT with the loss of Fanene and Rucker and to then develop over this season then, possibly next, begin to take over for Peko and Sims. The draft isn't really designed for immediate results, as much as it is, for developing depth and continuous talent.
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Just wondering Devon Still has been inactive because of an injury or a numbers game. Still was really starting to play solid before Sims came back and now he's inactive. It's pretty upsetting that 3 out of the first 5 picks have had little to no impact with Kirkpatrick, Still, and Thompson. I know when we drafted these 3 that they were gonna take some time to develope, but their were several picks we could've made to make this team much better.
On quality teams, you want your rookies to have to fight for playing time.

It's when a bunch of rookies come in and instantly upgrade you that you generally have massive talent issues.

I think with Still, they didn't set out to draft him or a DT, but when they got to that pick and he was still on the board...he was too much value to pass up. Refreshing to address the lines early in the draft.
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Kirkpatrick was slowed by injury, and Sanu and Zeitler are starting and playing great.

How many teams are getting more production from their top picks?

What players were taken later than #53 (Still) that would have made this team so much better? Lavonte David is playing well, but I'd rather have Burfict.
Agreed. 2 starters drafted and an UDFA in Burfict starting and playing well is really good. Throw in Robinson looking pretty good the past 2 games and that's not bad for the rookie class.

One has to think that Kirkpatrick will be a solid contributor in the future too.
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:35 AM
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you are very correct in saying that DT is one of the hardest positions to translate to the NFL. I hope that you are right about Still as well. He definitely showed burst, but his strength is what I worry about.

And about the "Geno-effect"...MJ...nuff said.
I am not understanding the hate for MJ.....
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I am not understanding the hate for MJ.....
I get what people say in a sense with Atkins in that he gets the double-team where MJ doesn't. If Atkins wasn't there, MJ would get doubled.

People also say that Dunlap makes MJ better which I don't really get. The TE and RB chip him.

MJ still has to go out and win his 1 on1 battle.
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I get what people say in a sense with Atkins in that he gets the double-team where MJ doesn't. If Atkins wasn't there, MJ would get doubled.

People also say that Dunlap makes MJ better which I don't really get. The TE and RB chip him.

MJ still has to go out and win his 1 on1 battle.
Not sure how he hasnt proved he can, does the name Joe Thomas ring a bell?
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What players were taken later than #53 (Still) that would have made this team so much better?
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:47 AM
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Casey Hayward
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Some of the later round CB's would have been nice, but ours are playing well right now.
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I forgot about Hayward. He is a damn good player.
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I am not understanding the hate for MJ.....
once again, no hate for him, merely calling out facts. I love MJ. I love his workmanship, I love his heart, but at the end of the day out of his 8 sacks, I'd say about 3 of them he got on his own. MJ gets a lot of clean up sacks because of great coverage OR Geno, Geathers, or Dunlap wreaking havoc. Once again I love MJ, but he's going to want legit money after this season, and i don't see us reupping him.
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Not sure how he hasnt proved he can, does the name Joe Thomas ring a bell?
MJ can be a menace at time because of his freakish athleticism. Joe had a bad day, MJ had a great day. If you want, you could go look at the past games and see how many times he has actually beaten his man one on one and gotten to the QB. I honestly don't know the number, but i know it's not as much as you think.
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Right now we don't have a urgency to play Thompson and Still. They were drafted to be the future.
I would be worried if we had to give those 2 alot of snaps now.
Pat Sims is doing what he is good at and thats eating up blocking and allowing
our other d-lineman to get favorable matchups.
since Sims has returned our defense has been more stout up front
Wallace Gilberry has been a very under rated addition in the rotation.
we aren't the Cleveland Browns,we don't have to play our rookie DT's right away.
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The team values Sims more, and they almost always have 3 active DTs. Still is still going to be a valuable part of the team, however. So I'm still excited for his (And Thompson's) future
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Right now we don't have a urgency to play Thompson and Still. They were drafted to be the future.
I would be worried if we had to give those 2 alot of snaps now.
Pat Sims is doing what he is good at and thats eating up blocking and allowing
our other d-lineman to get favorable matchups.
since Sims has returned our defense has been more stout up front
Wallace Gilberry has been a very under rated addition in the rotation.
we aren't the Cleveland Browns,we don't have to play our rookie DT's right away.
YES! Gilberry has been vital to us in our D line rotation. Without him, I don't know what we would have done. Looking at his stats from previous teams, he has had decent success in getting to the QB. He's our new Fanene.
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I'm not really disappointed with Still, yet, but it is very alarming to see the 2 DTs taken after him performing in their rotations already.

Mike Martin - 29 tkls, 2 sacks
John Hughes - 24 tkls, 2 sacks

I was excited to see Still drop to the Bengals, most "experts" had him in the late 1st, but it is starting to appear that he fell for a reason.

He wasn't ready to play yet and Sims couldn't have made that any clearer.
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Still and Thompson are inactive.
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