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Old 11-27-2012, 05:55 PM
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............. And if Michael Johnson wants to much money i'd let him walk.
I didn't know Mike Brown was posting in this forum. That is the case or we have found his clone.
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:05 PM
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Babin is in the driver seat on this and probably will want to go to a team that has a good chance at the super bowl. I think New England has this guy dead in its sights. It's the type of signing that they do.
No he isn't. He's on waivers. He goes to whatever team wants him, starting from the worst to best
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:24 PM
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so if the Bengals pick up Babin,you do they jettison out of town?
I'm happy with Gilbery this year. He produces and he's not costing a bundle.
Babin is a nice pickup,but your taking snaps away from Geathers, Carlos and M.J.
the Bengals have been getting after the QB all year. Enough to be 2nd in the AFC behind Denver.
Always room for one more. The Giants had Tuck and Umenyiora and still drafted Pierre-Paul.

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Doesn't have to be a cut at DE. We could, for example, just cut bait on Jason Allen to free up the roster spot.
This. Other candidates would be Quinn or (gasp) Moch.

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our defense is playing lights out right now. Why would we want to take a shot at disrupting chemistry in week 13?
Did Larry Johnson disrupt the chemisty with our RB's in 2009?

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Yeah i'm ready to see Geathers gone. And if Michael Johnson wants to much money i'd let him walk.
Without a doubt, I would submit a waiver claim. I don't see a downside.

1. Add to our rotation this year.
2. Automatic replacement for Geathers after this year (at roughly the same price). OR...
3. Replacement for Michael Johnson next year (probably cheaper too).
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:32 PM
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Other candidates would be Quinn or (gasp) Moch.


Pretty sure Moch is not taking up a spot on active roster.

We already don't have room for Still or Thompson on gameday, don't really see Babin being that much help.
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Eagle fans may just be sour, but they say he's a locker room cancer. If that's even semi-true....PASS.
He called out the fans for being thugs, and called out his own teammates for not playing hard, and acting like thugs.

He has high morals, and high standards, that is the guy that will improve your team.

MJ is playing too many snaps, and needs more down time to produce at his best.

Babin, will give us an extra DE to give Dunlop, and Johnson less plays and may improve the pass rush.

If he will come cheap, sign him, the biggest down side is his age, but then he is not a long term replacement, so that doesn't hurt.

As others have said, you can't have too many pass rushers, or too many D linemen. It is a passing league, and we need to be able to get after the QB, if we want to win the big games.
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My point is he won't provide that pass rush help. It wasn't the 4-3, but that specific 4-3 scheme. Jim Washburn is pretty much the only guy who has gotten anything out of him, and that includes Houston, Seattle, and KC. He's had two good years in the scheme that helped him most. If the team wanted to adjust and do that for him, then sign him. But they won't, so he won't be productive
We don't really know that it's the specific scheme. Houston, KC and Seattle all tried to play him at LB, so we can't say for sure if his success under Washburn was the specific scheme or the position switch to DE. Most 4-3 teams have a DE line up wide in 9 technique ... the only innovation of the "wide 9" they talk about in Philly is they have both DEs split like this instead of only one. In other words, Babin could still play the same position with the same responsibilities here ...especially if he mainly contributes on passing downs and isn't a full-time starter playing every defensive snap. Changing from a 3-4 OLB to 4-3 DE is a big change ... changing from a DE in Philly's scheme to a DE in ours really isn't.
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Old 11-27-2012, 08:45 PM
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We don't really know that it's the specific scheme. Houston, KC and Seattle all tried to play him at LB, so we can't say for sure if his success under Washburn was the specific scheme or the position switch to DE. Most 4-3 teams have a DE line up wide in 9 technique ... the only innovation of the "wide 9" they talk about in Philly is they have both DEs split like this instead of only one. In other words, Babin could still play the same position with the same responsibilities here ...especially if he mainly contributes on passing downs and isn't a full-time starter playing every defensive snap. Changing from a 3-4 OLB to 4-3 DE is a big change ... changing from a DE in Philly's scheme to a DE in ours really isn't.
Yea it shouldn't be nearly as hard of a project going from one 4-3 scheme to another. I would not mind it at all if we got him, for two reasons:
1) He could help in our playoff push, as our defense starts and ends with the pass rush
2) Having Babin on the roster now could end up resulting in an extension for next year and possibly beyond. If he were to show signs of his past performance for the remainder of this season, it would help boost our rotation for next year and possibly remove any need to draft a DE within the first two rounds.

Bottom line: consider Babin to try and help boost our playoff chances. There are a handful of other players we could cut to make room (Quinn is the first that comes to mind).
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Don't worry, Johnson will probably go the way of Fanene and Rucker next year.
I actually wouldn't mind us picking up Fanene again next year at a bargain price if he's healthy.

He could be an answer for depth, again and it's obvious he had chemistry with the rest of the D line.

Plus I could go "Faaaaneeenneee!!" again next year when he's making a play. I sure do miss that.
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Babin would be a great fit here... he is an immediate upgrade of Geathers or dingGilberry. The pressure wouldn't be all on him to get to the passer, so he wouldn't have to deal with as many double teams...plus when we play the Eagles there would be some extra motivation there.
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The guy had 2 monster years and every year other than those he never had more than 5.5 sacks

He is on the wrong side of 30 and probably used Roids....

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Yeah i'm ready to see Geathers gone. And if Michael Johnson wants to much money i'd let him walk.
Unless you love drafting the same position every 4 years, the team should try to keep everybody who is average or better.

Why would you want any more draft needs than you have already?

The FO has no reason not to extend its own players. We have very few players that we drafted that are past their 1st contract.
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Pass rushing is relatively scheme-independent. That's why, historically, proven pass rushers have often been the most successful free agent signings (see Reggie White, Neil Smith, Bruce Smith, Kevin Greene, Bryce Paup, Julius Peppers, Chris Doleman, Rod Coleman etc.) If a guy can hit QBs in one city he can generally do it in another, unless there's a really drastic change like moving him from DE to OLB or something like that (which wouldn't be an issue here).
How Is Mario Williams doing in buffalo?
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The dude is awful at everything except for "Line up waay wide 9 and go forward"
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Seriously though, I'd love if we pick him up.
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If we could somehow get him cheap, sure, otherwise I don't really want him. I'm not saying our defensive line is the best in the NFL, but we'd be just fine without him.

1. He's notoriously bad in the locker room when things aren't going well.
2. He benefits immensely from the scheme he's in and likely wouldn't put up those huge numbers here
3. Only cares about sacks, can't play the run very well.

He'll go to the Lions, I'm almost willing to bet on it.
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How Is Mario Williams doing in buffalo?
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For the right price I'd love to have him join our DE rotation.
I agree, but only for the right price.
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Steve Wyche just said on NFL AM that the Bengals would be a good fit for the Bengals in their push for the playoffs...

IMO championship teams can never have too deep of a D-line. See New York Giants '09 & '12.. If I'm not mistaken, we have the cap space.
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The guy had 2 monster years and every year other than those he never had more than 5.5 sacks.

PASS.
Sounds an awful lot like Michael Johnson, except MJ has only excelled this season, which also happens to be a contract season.

I just think we should cover our backs in case MJ winds up getting way more than he's worth on the market. I really don't think MJ is worth 50-75m.
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Count me as one of those that would like to see us pick him up. I won't be disappointed if we don't, but would be glad if we did.
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The guy had 2 monster years and every year other than those he never had more than 5.5 sacks

He is on the wrong side of 30 and probably used Roids....

PASS.
Still better than Geathers, for example, who's had one good year and otherwise has never had more than 3.5 sacks. And, as mentioned repeatedly in the thread, Babin's disappointing years were all when mis-cast as a LB instead of DE. Where's the roids allegation coming from?

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How Is Mario Williams doing in buffalo?
He has 8.5 sacks through 11 games after a slow start ... so completely consistent with my suggestion that if a guy can hit QBs in one city he can do it in another. Thank you for asking.

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Steve Wyche just said on NFL AM that the Bengals would be a good fit for the Bengals in their push for the playoffs...

IMO championship teams can never have too deep of a D-line. See New York Giants '09 & '12.. If I'm not mistaken, we have the cap space.
Agreed. When the 49ers were so good in the 1980's everybody remembers Bill Walsh as an offensive genius. But, Walsh always said the key to winning in the NFL was your pass rush, particularly having fresh rushers in the 4th quarter. The 49ers frequently "over"-paid for veteran pass rushers near the end of their careers and just let them play on 3rd downs.

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Wow...the season before last Babin had a ton of sacks. This year he has underperformed.

Normally, I'd shoot this kind of talk down, but you can never have enough pass rushers.

What it comes down to is Babin or Gilberry...
Gilberry has earned his stripes for a rotational go...

Babin wouldnt replace Geathers?
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Yeah i'm ready to see Geathers gone. And if Michael Johnson wants to much money i'd let him walk.
So you want our best DE on the team to just leave? this is a man you need to pay. hes just starting to hit his prime and the DL is whole reason our D is having success.
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Sounds an awful lot like Michael Johnson, except MJ has only excelled this season, which also happens to be a contract season.

I just think we should cover our backs in case MJ winds up getting way more than he's worth on the market. I really don't think MJ is worth 50-75m.
Def not worth 50-75 million, and you right about Quinn. I get killed for this but Roland is our "blocking" TE
so we really don't need to carry a 3rd. Only way I'd take Babin is to keep him from the Ravens who I think would/should make a move for him.
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